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Bell-Labs Releases New Version Of Plan 9
F2F writes "Plan 9 from Bell Labs Fourth Release was announced yesterday marking a major overhaul of the entire operating system. VMware images are now supported, together with hoards of new hardware. The operating system now sports a new security model (on top of the old one, which was already quite secure), new network-resident secure storage system and improvements in the thread library, among others. See the release notes here: release4 notes or simply go to the download page at: plan9 download." T. adds: erikdalen sent in these links to critiques of the Plan 9 license from Richard Stallman and Nathan Myers.
Support for electronic mail has been extended in many ways and now includes some new spam filtering tool
Is this the first OS to have spam filtering built right into it? Sounds neat, until they can really handle long file names.....
geek page at KY speaks
I've used Plan9 in the past, and while the new version does look good, frankly I find the GUI quite cheesy. It's just my opinion, but I wouldn't want a pastel-colored theme as my desktop. Also, with my experience with this alternative OS, it's difficult to work with. Maybe version 4 will be better... Who knows?
"Black holes are where God divided by zero." - Steve Wright
Considering one would have to be one heck of a hacker (cracker, etc, whatever...pick your adj, I don't want a debate!) to even figure out how to begin to go about hacking a Plan 9 system, I'd say it's a pretty secure OS.
The problems with the Plan9 licence generally do not bother much of the developers, even though occasionaly flamefests erupt on the plan9 mailing lists.
According to the people at Bell Labs, if the Lucent lawyers agree, Plan9's licence could immediately be changed to something more in terms with RMS' revolution.
Unfortunately those same lawyers have been petitioned quite so many times already.
Not to mention that it needs to be beaten by a big honkin' pretty stick.
Unfortunately, the Plan 9 license is unacceptable, as Stallman and Myers point out. And it doesn't look like that's going to change either.
Didn't they become Lucent Technologies a long time ago?
don't use their code.
When people are offering you something for free, it's pretty rude to complain that they're not offering you even more.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
...from outer space?
-- If no truths are spoken then no lies can hide --
Now I can go confuse all my marginally OS-literate coworkers and friends, and be amused while they try to sort out OS 9, Plan 9, and MacOS9...
The entertainment possibilities are endless.
Plan9 has some really cool ideas, the more Unix than Unix everything-as-a-file paradigm, the network transparent file system, directory merging, the list goes on and on.
But I just can't get past the mouse-intensive UI. I absolutely hate it.
Funny, last time I heard about Plan 9, it involved turning humans into zombies to take over the world. Guess plans really change when the R and D department is cut.
Plan 9 has the best OS mascot ever.
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
That's HORDES, as in the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan, meaning lots, not HOARDS as in a secret treasury. Also, for future reference, probably LOSE not LOOSE, and FAZE not PHASE are the words intended.
While it's cool, in a 70's kind of way that Plan 9 makes everything into a file, it's really pretty old hat. A file is a very kludgy, primitive notion compared to making everything into an object.
Making everything a byte stream is consistent - sure, great - but byte streams are pretty pathetic. Some kind of OO file system where everything is an object, and you can hook objects together would be something much cooler. Something kinda like a lisp machine combined with a persistent store, where you can operate on any object using standard language constructs.
So who gives a %&*#@ about Plan 9. Let it die.
RMS argued that the bit about "all your modifications are belong to us" was really denying you the rights he finds important. I beg to differ.
By the looks of things, there's no restriction on you modifying the gode, with the exception that you must make your modifications available to the company. This would be sort of like forcing everyone who hacks the linux kernel to send in patches, which could be a useful thing to do. But there's no restriction on people messing with the code in the first place.
I'm not saying this software is free by Stallman's definition, but perhaps this is not quite as bad as he makes it out to be.
OS competition, if nothing else, motivates everyone to write better software (unless you're a monopolist, but we won't get into that). As a linux partisan, I say "Bring it on"
I am officially gone from
Maybe Plan 9 could have made an impact 10 years ago if it had been free, but the window of oppurtunity is gone. Outside of a few die hard experimenters there are very few who have either a need or interest in Plan 9. I can attest to this by my own personally experience: I'm a user of another unsuccessful OS which missed the boat of oppurtunity. You don't get a second chance in this industry. Miss the brass ring and game's over.
are you sure? you're now talking about the most widely utilized security measure ever.
if Ed Wood has something to do with it
One of RMS's criticisms of the Plan 9 lisence is that:
Plane 9 lisence: Distribution of Licensed Software to third parties pursuant to this grant shall be subject to the same terms and conditions as set forth in this Agreement,
RMS: This seems to say when you redistribute you must insist on a contract with the recipients, just as Lucent demands when you download it.
The GPL states that: You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
So, it seems to me that RMS is criticising Plan 9's lisence for doing exactly the same thing as the GPL does. Can you say hypocrite, Richard?
Isn't the whole idea behind SOAP is that every object can be stored, streamed, messages using XML packets (i.e. byte-stream files) so everything-is-a-file isn't that far off the mark of where everything these days is headed?
that's the most retarded (literally) looking mascot ever.
Photos.
siri
From the license:
You agree to provide the Original Contributor, at its request, with a copy of the complete Source Code version, Object Code version and related documentation for Modifications created or contributed to by You if used for any purpose.
Stallman's point:
This prohibits modifications for private use, denying the users a basic right
I'm not 100% sure I see his point. If you make use of the code for any purpose, and Lucent asks you for the changes you made, you have to give it to them. IANAL, but it seems that they just want to be able to see all changes that get made.
The rest of RMS's points make sense, and this clause:
The licenses and rights granted under this Agreement shall terminate automatically if (i) You fail to comply with all of the terms and conditions herein; or (ii) You initiate or participate in any intellectual property action against Original Contributor and/or another Contributor.
is truly awful. See the link from Nathan Myers for a well written explanation of just how bad this is.
Zapman
It is unacceptable for a license to require compliance with US export control regulations. Laws being what they are, these regulations apply in certain situations regardless of whether they are mentioned in a license; however, requiring them as a license condition can extend their reach to people and activities outside the US government's jurisdiction, and that is definitely wrong. The Export Administration Regulations refer to export from the US. So, if you're not in the US, and aren't exporting from the US, this term simplifies to, "Space intentionally left blank". Anyone who dislikes this term should take things up with the US government, not Lucent. Lucent just doesn't want to get in trouble with the .gov.
I'm no font nerd, but I imagine the group creating the software are completely unrelated to the creators of the font. Also, aside from the fact that code and font data can both be stored on a computer, what has the GPL got to do with copyright terms on fonts? IANAL, but if you sell something for profit (say you're Boeing selling an aeroplane) which uses components from another manufacturer (say Rolls Royce), then your client doesn't sue Rolls Royce if the plane falls out of the sky, but Boeing. If ya don't like it, put in a NO WARRANTIES clause. What software doesn't? Errr, "contributors shall have". That's any contributor. Not just Lucent. Which is exactly what the GPL provides, no?And before anybody gets confused - Plan 9 from Outer Space was a film.
Video Game cheats, hints a
A careful reading of the RMS criticisms seems overreaching. The criticisms are relatively minor, and his commentary appear to be wild overreactions from here. Admittedly, these terms could be repaired, and if it matters someday, they probably will be. But to characterize the license as unacceptable or worse seems to me to go way too far.
I'm not sure what's wrong at the end of the day with a retaliation clause -- such an idea might profit free software products. Imagine if suing someone for infringing a patent by distributing open source software required a company to retask all its servers to use new proprietary systems software.
RMS also complains about the clause requiring commercial distributions to indemnify the supplier as wrongful because it is "quite obnoxious" to require users to indemnify. That clause doesn't apply to users, of course, but only to commercial contributors.
Don't like giving half your paycheck to the state? Just wait until you have to give 75-90% of it to the state. It has already happened in some European countries, and it will happen here too if people who think like Richard Stallman get into power.
The license is actually an IP monkey trap. It pretends to be open, tempting us all to invest our time and effort into the release. But it's actually very restrictive, and gives Lucent many ways to pull the rug out from under us once we've "trapped" ourselves by investing our time and effort.
If Lucent is serious about getting people to use the release, they need to offer it under some License which involves a true fair exchange. I'm surprised that this isn't self-evident to the Plan 9 developers.
--Mike
"Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
This is where the GPL differs from the Plan 9 licence (or "Plane 9 lisence" if you prefer) and why RMS is not a hypocrite.
not GPL huh ?
"these links to critiques of the Plan 9 license from Richard Stallman and Nathan Myers. "
Do anyone really give a damn what Stallman thinks?
People who whine about open-source licenses despite 1. never writing a line of code in their life and 2. never *looking* at code (for the Linux kernel, say) are complete jackasses. I'm sorry, that's gay. Let's take Stallman's opinions and agree with them, even though we're not sure what he's talking about.
Also, to some of the people that replied to the parent, you should stop being such fucking open-source zealots....jesus. "Doomed to obscurity" because of licensing....right. I'm sure that's the only reason Plan9 hasn't been accepted the world over like NetBSD.
If you turkey brains would start discussing the concepts and ideas behind Plan9 instead of the stupid license issues, then that would go a long way towards making Slashdot suck a whole lot less. Thank you.
Did you just happen to "skip over" the "or more accurately" immediately following the "it makes everything a file"? The part of the text that would very clearly state that "it makes everything a file" is inaccurate and thus answering the question that you didn't have to ask? Very "insightful" of you.
Yeah right, as if some stoner like RMS could ever come into power with his half baked national socialist ideas.
That's about as far fetched as Adolf Hitler becomming chancelor or that dufus William Clinton becomming president.
Oh fuck, wait a minute! I think I just scared myself.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
No. There is nobody in the real world using this.
In the real world people use Microsoft Windows and Office. They upgrade their hardware and OS everytime a new version of Office comes out to be compatible. They don't really need any of the "new" features of Office or the latest OS or hardware, hell they haven't figured out how to use, or a need for, any of the latest "features" of those products for the last 6 years. But they do it anyway because they have to be compatible with their friends and co-workers and because their IT department tells them to.
Since Microsoft doesn't sell Plan 9, nor do they produce a copy of Office for Plan 9, nobody in "the real world" uses it.
No, this is not a troll, I'm just pointing out a very real fact about "the real world".
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
I'm always amused, well, maybe BEmused at the fact that some people seem to care more about the quality of the license than they do what the software does. Especially with something like Plan9 -- as far as I can tell, its a research/experimental operating system, not a global conspiracy to take over the world market for operating systems.
It kind of reminds me of political people of both the right and the left -- they evaluate solutions to problems first on the ability to adhere to the preferred political paradigm rather than the technical merits.
And its not that those questions aren't sometimes appropriate, I'm just surprised how often it turns up BEFORE someone asks if the technical merits might make what the license is a moot point.
...doesn't like the license he doesn't download Plan 9. There! Problem solved!
-- SIGFPE
"You agree to provide the Original Contributor, at its request, with a copy of the complete Source Code version, Object Code version and related documentation for Modifications created or contributed to by You if distributed in any form, e.g., binary or source. Original Contributor and/or other Contributors shall have unrestricted, nonexclusive, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free rights, to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute such Modifications, and to grant third parties the right to do so, including without limitation as a part of or with the Licensed Software; and Original Contributor and/or other Contributors shall have the right to license or to otherwise transfer to third parties such Modifications without notice, obligation or recourse to You. You grant to Original Contributor, Contributors and their respective licensees all rights and licenses (including patents) as are necessary to incorporate the Modifications created or contributed and so distributed by You into the Licensed Software and to use, distribute or otherwise exploit such Licensed Software without payment or accounting to You."
is *very* troublesome because this means that lucent can go closed-source with your modifacations at some later point, and they are not obligated to "pay" your or the community back even if they use your code in proprietary licenses in future. This is the basic problem with asymmetric licenses like Plan9's, and NPL.
The folks at Bell Labs write an interesting OS, spend years working on it and release it for free. And slashdot picks up the news, tells the world and comes up with a single unified reponse.
We don't like the legal stuff that the lawyers tacked on at the last minute.
As far as OSes, I guess we will all just keep using windows and talking about Linux.
The Plan 9 License has changed since RMS registered his complaints about it.
The "agree to provide" clause no longer says "if used for any purpose" but rather "if distributed in any form, e.g., binary or source". This is basically what the GPL does too.
The "reasonable charge" clause is followed by a sentence that says you can charge whatever you want for products or services you've added.
well, it didn't do anything, it is automagically chopped shorter.
An OS that is worth checking out if you like the ideas in Plan 9 is VSTa. It is a GPL'ed OS borrowing a lot of ideas from Plan 9. It's microkernel. But not as mature as Plan 9. /Erik
Erik Dalén
Its great being an ivory tower socialist when everyone else is paying your bills. You never have to live by the rules you dictate to everyone else.
If he was fscked out on his hypocritical arse and made earn a living in the real world like the rest of us. The ultra left GPL^H^H^Hnewspeak would soon change.
Curmudgeon.
That is to say, the countries here have been through the system which exists in America right now, and moved on from it.
What a bunch of crap. Yeah, Europe really embraced the concept of personal liberty and freedom during the 4th to 18th centuries. Ever heard of KINGS? Or how about the strict separation of classes? There was ZERO chance to lift yourself out of a lower class into an upper class.
Europe is stuck in the concept of "everyone must know their place". Maybe someday they'll embrace the concept of liberty and freedom and catch up with the US. But to do that, they have to shed Socialism, which is incompatible with freedom.
There is a reason that so many people try to leave Europe and emigrate to the US. It's because the intelligent people want to be rewarded for hard work, rather than work to support a bunch whiny eurotrash who think that everyone owes them something.
It's funny how there isn't a huge demand to emgrate from the US to the European paradises, isn't it?
Spoken like someone who has never been out of the US.
I've travelled extensively in Europe. The US is infinitely superior to Europe in almost every way. The only thing Europe has more of is history. In that way, Europe is somewhat more interesting to visit if you're interested in history.
seriously why the hell should we care what RMS thinks. if RMS doesn't like the friken licience then thats good and dandy. If you dont like the licience just because RMS doesnt like it then you have some problems.
Not like you could if you wanted to. The immigration laws are designed to prohibit people from becoming part of Europe's failing worker's paradise. Sure, you can go there to be taxed heavily, but let's see you become a citizen. Good luck. You only get to pay for their shitty welfare state, not be part of it.
Hm, maybe not so right! And let's ask ourselves how free America really was. Early on, the amount of federal power reassigned to states and settlements meant horrendous denials of liberty from the Puritan movement. More currently, being black excluded you from the glory of equality throughout the country until the 1960s!
Should have told my great-grandfather that, he built a theatre business up in late 19th century Britain. That was merely a counterexample to "ZERO" -- no-one's denying the awful separation of classes. Which exists in America today. Open your eyes on your next walk/drive to work, to see what different kinds of work people do.. ya reckon they'll all be running the country in 20 years time, if they try hard enough? Bush Sr, Bush Jr. Exactly. Since that remark was qualification-free, I'll ignore it. I assume you've never lived or worked in Europe. And what rights does a US citizen get that a UK one doesn't? Apart from more paperwork for gun ownership, but even the police don't get guns in the UK"What do you mean, owe you?" replied the dentist.
Europe is stuck in the concept of "everyone must know their place". Maybe someday they'll embrace the concept of liberty and freedom and catch up with the US.
And you're posting this on... Slashdot. Right. You know, occasionally there are stories on here about Microsoft, and other big corporations. You should try reading one of those stories some time, and see whether US citizens feel enfranchised, or whether they actually feel the system is vastly biased in favour of the rich.
And last time I was in the States, I was actually struck by the number of pointlessly intrusive laws. Huge roads through the middle of nowhere had 50mph speed limits; people under the age of 21 weren't allowed to drink a beer - even at home; I bought a bottle of bathroom cleaner that said "it is a federal offence to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labelling"; my hosts even explained to me it was illegal to park my car facing the wrong way. Yay liberty and freedom.
I've travelled extensively in Europe. The US is infinitely superior to Europe in almost every way.
An example - just a single one - of an instance in which the US is "infinitely superior" would make this a more convincing statement.
Also, I once crossed the road while the lights were green -- that would have gotten me a fine.
I also helped out at a friend's business for a few days. That would have got me and the business in serious trouble, since of course I didn't have an appropriate "work permit".
Oh, and a friend of my host occasionally smoked marijuana. MY GOD, THE EVIL CRIMINAL!
GOD SAVE THE FREE USA!
To get citizenship, you officially need 5 years permanent residence with "good moral standing" (i.e. without convictions). This does NOT include simply getting a work visa, I'm not sure of the extra requirements. To actually get naturalised, you'll need a CIA check which takes a looooong time and which, if ya fail, you'll get chucked out for without appeal or explanation. So don't think of speaking out against the gov on ANYTHING, EVER before your ceremony!
In case ya think it all goes smoothly, a friend who has been living in the States for 30 years was told almost 2 years after making an application that they would not accommodate for her disability, so she was denied.
Hm, Europe.. asylum seekers flock to the UK because of our lax rules -- I think about 50% get to stay, often because there's too much effort involved in extraditing them rather than because they have a fair case. I think this is excellent! Everyone deserves to share in the riches of this country.
My dad is an immigrant to the UK. He can get citizenship at will, and I can swap between British and his citizenship at will.
Incidentally, if I wanted to naturalise in the USA, I'd have to renounce my British citizenship to US authorities. Fortunately, Britain completely ignores this renunciation, and allows you to retain citizenship regardless if you wish. Cool, huh?
Now, remind me why it's hard to get into Europe again?
What's ironic about that story is it completely exposes the fallacy of Socialism. The fool sees a free tooth extraction. The wise man sees a hidden cost that is four times what it would have cost if the dentist had just charged the patient directly, rather than having an entire beauracracy designed to take the SAME MONEY, channel it through a tax system, a medical system, and then back to the dentist.
But hey, as long as it looks like it's free, right? Who cares about reality when free medical care makes me feel good.
Of course, it's also worth pointing out that rich Europeans typically fly to the US for medical care when it's really important. I know this because I work in the medical industry and watch it happen.
Why do people think medical care is immune from the laws of supply and demand?
Secondly, I'd love to be able to understand why you think the government must be so much more inefficient with money than a private company. They're both run by people.
In fact, central control is probably more efficient. The government is like a wholesaler. It's cheaper to take huge amounts of money in bulk for delivering products on a large scale, than to sell at the point of service for individual items. The economy of scale also explains why buy.com offers cheaper prices than your local store :-).
Yeah, and sometimes people fly to Europe for medical care. Clinton got treatment in Greece, for example. Some countries have centres with particular specialities. Britain is even starting a programme to send people to other parts of Europe for certain treatments for free where there are more facilities. No matter what the economics class taught you, any economy model, unlike the laws of physics, is nothing but an arbitrary human invention. Call it an axiom of supply and demand if you want, and then use it to derive capitalism, but it's not a "law".Well I guess that you feel silly having to pay for that bad tooth. The guy shold have taken better care of his teeth. See the problem; you pay because he was too lazy to brush.
two reviews of the license and no reviews of the software itself.
The Plan 9 license says:
I still don't see how this clause is Bad since it only applies to redistribution. Somebody clue me in.
For example, if I catch a cold, the logical conclusion of complete "personal responsibility" is that I sue the person I got it from for my medical bills. Or my company if I caught it whilst at work. Or a mall if I caught it whilst shopping.
Oh yes, and if I'm born of two parents with a tendency to heart disease, or diabetes, I guess I should sue them too.
And who do I sue for my inevitable death? I never asked to be born into this body! I never programmed myself to die of old age!
See how silly this is getting?
Is the QWZX indicator a troll-counter? kthx.
I was pleasantly surprised and excited when I saw the story on the front page this morning- I tried to install release 3 when it first came out but was blocked by hardware imcompatability. The list now looks like I may have everything I need for 2 or more nodes.
But I've read through the comments all the way down into the unmoderated zone and the vast majority are trolling, whining and bitching about the license or RMS. Isnt this supposed to be news for nerds, when did it become an asbestos arena for armchair ip lawyers?
But it still says the license is terminated if you "initiate or participate in any intellectual property action against Original Contributor." To me, that's the big one. If they limited it to "any intellectual property action" involving the Original Code, then I might find it acceptable. But as it is, they're reserving the right to publish my science fiction stories without paying me or even attributing me. That's just ridiculous -- even Microsoft doesn't go that far!
Speaking as someone who occasionally tries to promote Linux/BSD and free software inside the science fiction community, I have to say that I personally agree that this license is unacceptable as it stands.
Anyone but me thought for a second that there was a new DVD version of this bad movie making classic? :-)
When I saw the first part of the article "Plan 9 from Bell Labs", the first thing I thought was "Has bell labs done some kind of remake?". I was surprised to find out that this plan 9 was in fact an OS, and not the plan of alien invaders, depicted in the Ed Wood classic, Plan 9 from Outer Space.
Commonly known as the worst movie ever made, Ed only ever did one take of anything. Special effects are so bad, that they are really good (talking way beyond Dr Who here). Did anyone else confuse the two? I wonder if bell labs actually named their OS after this movie? Does anyone know where the name came from?
"Me and my girl named bimbo . . . limbo . . . spam" - Captain Beefheart.
...is that I'm not smart enough to figure it all out. Kudos to the Plan 9 team, and especially to Dennis Ritchie for the best C compiler yet. It's a killer OS, it's what Unix, *BSD, and Linux all want to be when they grow up. The only reason RMS is pissed is over some silly licensing stuff? Just who the hell is RMS anyway? Did he ever write any real code? Seems most of the stuff he was ever involved in either had to be fixed (by someone else) for buffer overruns, or it never got finished. Maybe his real issue with Plan 9 isn't the license, but the fact that some better hackers than he could ever hope to be wrote a real OS that actually works in a lot less time than it took him to get his silly HURD crap out the door.
As many others have already explained well in their posts, plan9's strengths are not about that. This is not trying to be the next OS X, Gnome, KDE, what have you. Not that a prettier GUI wouldn't hurt, but it's not (and shouldn't) be their top priority- GUIs have been done to death, they would be wasting their research dollars. Instead, they are trying to bring something brand new to the realm of computing.
Well, whaddya know, some forms of addiction actually help you.
I have an exam in OS's in another 20 hours and boy, is this a great way to warm up to the subject.
Great discussion folks! Keep it up.
If you're such a famous scientist, get yourself or an equally famous computer scientist to code f90 support into g77, the GNU fortran77 compiler.
Well if you believe, and trust everything, or even anything on slashdot, then you need to gain some free thought.
Besides the alcohol, what is the difference between the IS and the rest of the world. Your obviously blowing the speed limit thing out of proportion, perhaps you come from a country where two lane roads with houses on them are 'huge roads in the middle of nowheres', but in general the speed limits are no less reasonable.
And parking your car on the wrong side of the road is general a violation of traffic law everywheres much like speeding and running red lights, perhaps your hosts just thought it was important, once again, perhaps you come from a country where people are only allowed to think one thing, or maybe you've been reading slashdot so much. Go outside and actually see the way the world works, not the way the sheep around here think.
I'm really fuzzy on this, but wasn't there a follow-on to Plan 9 being developed by the name of Brazil? What happened to it?
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
because you couldn't write anything half as cool if you had to. it's just sour grapes from a bunch of young punks and an old clueless geezer evangelist who can't get their
hardly
useful
ridiculous
drivel
to run after fifteen fucking years. gcc looks like something a bunch of kids wrote, the plan 9 compiler is elegant and it fucking works. (try this, gcc zealots:
int i = 1;
printf("%d %d %d",i,++i,i++);
and see who gets it right)
acme blows away vi and emacs, and the networking works. all the *nixes (especially the bsds) are too steeped in tradition to ever be innovative. when you lusers get a clue, then you can bitch. until then, stick your broken code up your whiny ass.
Well prehaps the people of Virginia haven't had to rewrite their laws in some time, i guess thats what happens when you have a free and secure country.
Its amazing how stupid the people on slashdot are, they somehow think that just because old laws are still on the books, that they are still in full force. Have a look at old english laws, far worse than that.
The crossing on green comment made no sense, and US immigation laws are quite liberal compared to most of europe. But its more fun sheepishly making fun of the US that it is to actually have independent thought.
Last time i was in Germany I almost broke my hand, before i could get in to see a doctor I had to show that I had medical coverage. I was standing there in pain, trying to find my travellers insurance.
Seems the Bell Labs guys were Ed Woods fans, and Plan 9 was named after the movie. Proof? The bunny is named Glenda, after the title character of another Ed Woods flick, "Glen or Glenda."
I'm having this same problem-
I assume you mean I should change it in the plan.ini, and not in X or win2k which makes no sense given the appearance of the display.
How do I modify that with it all fscked up? how do I boot rio-less?
I've read everything relavent on the bell-labs site, and learned a lot of other stuff- I'm installing it on another box with the floppy, but I'd like it to work in vmware too:)
~m
I think you better tell the developers on FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD amiling list, in addition to Darwin that their beloved OS is dead, cause I think you are the only one that could do that...
That's not true. I know lots. They "audit" you in a small room with an attractive woman, and ask you dumb questions like "do fish swim?" until you lose your mind. Over a course of years they keep doing dumb shit like that to take your money. Then they tell you a failed scifi story about space aliens and "body theatans". They tell you that an EKG or Polygraph (sorry, "E-Meter") can rid you of these "body theatans". However, conveniently for the Church of Scientology, E-Metering is quite costly.
How does the plan 9 resident storage compare to the QNX qnet transparent network storage ?
What do you expect of a country, where you have to warn your customers, the coffee you're serving is hot, so you don't get sued over that ...
so long ... ;-)
Ray
No, a "free and secure" country has time to make sure that its citizens have security and freedom.
The archives of GLAAD will give you a fair number of counterexamples to your belief that laws on sexuality are not actually enforced. The only stupidity is your assumption, though I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it gross naivity.
The lights were green -- for cars to pass. There were no cars. But I was supposed to religiously pause before crossing.
Another USAian who thinks getting into the USA is easy. See this post.
"Independent thought" would be not religiously believing what you're told about the gloriousness of your own country. I come from a European country, but a pretty damn pro-US one, so the default thinking mode would be pro-US. I made the effort to become aware of the laws (in more detail than I wrote about in my post), and to research into their enforcement. Did you? No.
Thanks and good bye.
Incidentally, having to sign a DISCLAIMER before going into some VA hospitals, and nurses refusing to go out to a car on hospital property if a condition becomes acute there (because this makes them legally liable for some reason), is not what I'd call supportive of the health of the nation. Are these practices just peculiar to the area?
From a database/storage standpoint, it makes a
lot more sense to stream an object collection spliced vertically (column-wise?) rather than object-/row-wise.
Ok, I guess you missed the point of the sarcasm.
It's exactly because he is at an extreme whacko end of the spectrum that it is shocking to think that such a radical could be put into a position of power.
Relax, it's all just in fun. Nobody takes any of this crap seriously.
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
The version of VMware tools they are using is incompatible. The display is unintelligible.
But if on your income, you can't afford to have such procedures in the first place, slightly higher taxes might be worth the trade-off. Something like this really pays off for people with low income. It's a noble thought, to stick up for the little guy.
Yeah, other people end up paying, and bureaucrats end up with seemingly needless jobs, but who knows? It might just make the difference between life and death.