>Talk about arguing with the example without disputing the point.
Ok. Arguing about the example without disputing the point is where someone has taken issue with a device used to clarify the point under discussion, but in a way which does not extend to the fundemental concerpt itself. It is pointless because any number of examples could have been chosen for illustrative purposes, and it would obviously be futile to disprove them all. The time and effort would be better spent directed at the issue itself.
Perhaps they meant `all companies around the world have a moral obligation to conform to my personal belief system'. I wonder what truthsearch's views are on the pending war against Iraq, abortion, animal rights etc. I think we should be told - i`d like to know what to think.
Well, now theres no problem automating devices such as light switches, toasters, car radios, watches, walkmen/diskmen, printers, phones..etc etc. Trees, gardens etc (for remote watering of). I'm serious. Also stuff that isn't even on a network. People, windows! It can become a global identification system.
"That's a good point. The solution is to get less spam. You can do that by changing email addresses frequently (a really inconvenient solution that I don't recommend), or by getting spammers shut down (or yourself listwashed by the spammers)."
Just us an opt-in system. Either by a Hotmail-style `Exlusive mode` where only emails coming from people in your address book are allowed, or by creating filters/rules, which move valid emails into one or more folders (I use one per person, so I can quickly see who has emailed me, and deal with them in order of priority).
You can easily ask people you want to email you to put a certain word in the subject or body (a word which would be unlikely to occur in spam), and filter on that to a `new people` folder, and then give them an individual rule/folder once you`ve decided they are ok.
"Just yesterday I thought it would be sweet if there was a web site people could go to to see how to run for political leadership in their state. At least paperwork and deadlines would be greate, but procedures, rules, and regulations in addition, would be excellent!"
i will never vote for someone who needs a `dummys guide to democracy` to work out how to get into office! If you were really interested, you`d already know, or you'd find out for yourself.
They assembled it - it was made somewhere else. It's like my MS assembler. I write the assembly code, and it goes off and mindlessly turns it into something else. What skill! What style! What class! (Interestingly North Korea and assembly language have about the same future in store!)
Great show. It's not the same thing though. He's working on the for up to an hour before they put their hand up - slightly different from one frame lasting 1/50th of a second.
Well, the myth goes that you hide words/pictures related to sex (especially "sex"), death and any other primal stuff like that (can't remember offhand), and your brain picks it up and stores it along with the brand name. Then, when you are shopping, you look at a drink, or coffee or whatever, and subconciously you go `ah!` as your mind drags out the subliminal implant. So look for that sort of thing. If you search google for some combination of:
Wilson Bryan Key subliminal subconcious advert advertising sex hidden
The Amazing "Eat Popcorn," "Drink Coke" Hoax How can we account for the widespread belief in subliminal persuasion ? There are several reasons why people find this rather odd proposition to have some merit. For one thing, most people believe that some sort of scientific study was done years ago which used subliminal messages to increase Coke and popcorn sales in a New Jersey movie theater. This became the paradigmatic case of subliminal persuasion.
There was a report in the media of an ostensible six-week study of patrons of a movie theater in Fort Lee, New Jersey, in 1956, where, the story went, advertising specialist James Vicary had secretly used a device on the movie projectors which flashed suggestions to buy popcorn and drink Coke. Vicary claimed to have increased Coke sales by 18.1% and popcorn sales by 57.7%. So well accepted was this claim that this apocryphal story is, I am told, still related in some undergraduate psychology classes as if it were a scientific study.
The reports of this fed the public fears and imagination in a powerful way which turned out to be much more potent than the method in Vicary's study. His study in fact turned out to be a hoax, as admitted by Vicary (Danzig, 1962) and demonstrated by repeated failures to replicate the supposed effect,. (Weir, 1984; Advertising Age, 1958). Nor have there ever been any successful replications to this date, or any clear evidence that subliminal messages can significantly influence behavior. What passes for evidence of subliminal persuasion is simply reliable evidence that subjects detect some stimuli that they are not aware of detecting, and that such perception can influence simple lexical priming tasks, not attitudes or behaviors.,,,,. (Pratkanis & Greenwald, 1988; McConnell. Cutler, and McNeil, 1958; Goldiamond, 1958; McConnell, 1966; McConnell, 1989a)
Did you go to the site I provided a link to? It's been tried. It doesn't work. I know all about what people claim are in there - I have some Wilson Bryan Key books - I'm just saying there is no proof it works.
Lie on your back and look at the clouds - you'll see all sorts of things there - doesn't mean they were put there. The fact that sometimes people hide things doesn't mean either that most advertisements contain subliminal messages, and it most certainly doesn't mean it works. If you think it works, go for it - set up an experiment. People would love to hear from you!
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>Talk about arguing with the example without disputing the point.
Ok. Arguing about the example without disputing the point is where someone has taken issue with a device used to clarify the point under discussion, but in a way which does not extend to the fundemental concerpt itself. It is pointless because any number of examples could have been chosen for illustrative purposes, and it would obviously be futile to disprove them all. The time and effort would be better spent directed at the issue itself.
ok?
Perhaps they meant `all companies around the world have a moral obligation to conform to my personal belief system'. I wonder what truthsearch's views are on the pending war against Iraq, abortion, animal rights etc. I think we should be told - i`d like to know what to think.
"solar panels in general are very dirty to make and bad for the environment."
The important question is are they cleaner than coal, gas and nuclear.
Well, now theres no problem automating devices such as light switches, toasters, car radios, watches, walkmen/diskmen, printers, phones..etc etc. Trees, gardens etc (for remote watering of).
I'm serious. Also stuff that isn't even on a network. People, windows! It can become a global identification system.
"Diplomacy would have played as significant a role as the player's tactical abilities"
So it's a fantasy game, right?
>I don't believe that any encryption is unbreakable,
One-time pad, anyone?
>Why Does Manga Succeed Where American Comics Fail?
It doesn't.
came up with the idea of a space-ship coated with a material like this in the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy!
>This is geared towards people in SOHO, and we all know what they use these types of gadgets for.
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Sure, its Londons red-light area!
http://www.londontonight.com/strip_clubs.h
I'm still waiting for T-Mobile (in the UK) to enable GPRS on their network! All the other networks have it!
"That's a good point. The solution is to get less spam. You can do that by changing email addresses frequently (a really inconvenient solution that I don't recommend), or by getting spammers shut down (or yourself listwashed by the spammers)."
Just us an opt-in system. Either by a Hotmail-style `Exlusive mode` where only emails coming from people in your address book are allowed, or by creating filters/rules, which move valid emails into one or more folders (I use one per person, so I can quickly see who has emailed me, and deal with them in order of priority).
You can easily ask people you want to email you to put a certain word in the subject or body (a word which would be unlikely to occur in spam), and filter on that to a `new people` folder, and then give them an individual rule/folder once you`ve decided they are ok.
Suspected criminal: Anyone.
"Stop National ID Cards"
Why? They have them in Europe, and there is less crime there. No more excuses. just stop breaking the law, or pay the price.
Making an ass of myself? I'm English, you clueless fuckwit. Don't tell me how to spell his name.
"Did Shakespear ever recover from being Bowlderized?"
Who? Oh, Shakespeare. No, I think one or two really booky people have heard of him.
"Just yesterday I thought it would be sweet if there was a web site people could go to to see how to run for political leadership in their state. At least paperwork and deadlines would be greate, but procedures, rules, and regulations in addition, would be excellent!"
i will never vote for someone who needs a `dummys guide to democracy` to work out how to get into office! If you were really interested, you`d already know, or you'd find out for yourself.
They assembled it - it was made somewhere else. It's like my MS assembler. I write the assembly code, and it goes off and mindlessly turns it into something else. What skill! What style! What class! (Interestingly North Korea and assembly language have about the same future in store!)
What makes you so sure that in the future they`ll laugh at how we had loads of satellites, and not just three.
I mean, if you're going to be a smart-arse, isn't one of the requirements that you are actually smart?
I`m sure SlashDot ran this story - or something tediously similar - about 6 months or so ago.
Yeah, if he spell-checked/corrected it first...
Great show. It's not the same thing though. He's working on the for up to an hour before they put their hand up - slightly different from one frame lasting 1/50th of a second.
"It would be cool to route the fridge through the stereo though."
No need - just get a copy of Aphex Twins "Selected ambient works volume II" and you`re there!
Well, the myth goes that you hide words/pictures related to sex (especially "sex"), death and any other primal stuff like that (can't remember offhand), and your brain picks it up and stores it along with the brand name. Then, when you are shopping, you look at a drink, or coffee or whatever, and subconciously you go `ah!` as your mind drags out the subliminal implant. So look for that sort of thing. If you search google for some combination of:
Wilson Bryan Key
subliminal
subconcious
advert
advertising
sex
hidden
you`ll find a bunch of examples.
Some more info:
From this site
The Amazing "Eat Popcorn," "Drink Coke" Hoax
How can we account for the widespread belief in subliminal persuasion ? There are several reasons why people find this rather odd proposition to have some merit. For one thing, most people believe that some sort of scientific study was done years ago which used subliminal messages to increase Coke and popcorn sales in a New Jersey movie theater. This became the paradigmatic case of subliminal persuasion.
There was a report in the media of an ostensible six-week study of patrons of a movie theater in Fort Lee, New Jersey, in 1956, where, the story went, advertising specialist James Vicary had secretly used a device on the movie projectors which flashed suggestions to buy popcorn and drink Coke. Vicary claimed to have increased Coke sales by 18.1% and popcorn sales by 57.7%. So well accepted was this claim that this apocryphal story is, I am told, still related in some undergraduate psychology classes as if it were a scientific study.
The reports of this fed the public fears and imagination in a powerful way which turned out to be much more potent than the method in Vicary's study. His study in fact turned out to be a hoax, as admitted by Vicary (Danzig, 1962) and demonstrated by repeated failures to replicate the supposed effect,. (Weir, 1984; Advertising Age, 1958). Nor have there ever been any successful replications to this date, or any clear evidence that subliminal messages can significantly influence behavior. What passes for evidence of subliminal persuasion is simply reliable evidence that subjects detect some stimuli that they are not aware of detecting, and that such perception can influence simple lexical priming tasks, not attitudes or behaviors.,,,,. (Pratkanis & Greenwald, 1988; McConnell. Cutler, and McNeil, 1958; Goldiamond, 1958; McConnell, 1966; McConnell, 1989a)
Did you go to the site I provided a link to? It's been tried. It doesn't work. I know all about what people claim are in there - I have some Wilson Bryan Key books - I'm just saying there is no proof it works.
Lie on your back and look at the clouds - you'll see all sorts of things there - doesn't mean they were put there. The fact that sometimes people hide things doesn't mean either that most advertisements contain subliminal messages, and it most certainly doesn't mean it works. If you think it works, go for it - set up an experiment. People would love to hear from you!