I need only mention Marat Fayzullin and Martin "nocash" Korth...
Marat stopped offering DOS and Windows downloads of his software, and nocash stopped even developing his software, when the programs kept getting 13370-h4x0red.
It's a shame, really.
That's why I just GPL my emulator and say - look, you want to pay me for it, go right ahead - but I don't ask for payment, and I don't require it.
Have you not heard about egcs? People were upset about the stagnation of gcc, forked it, named it egcs, came up with a better system. The gcc core team was "fired" and the baton was passed to the egcs team. History repeats? Wait and see...
AOL !!! And maybe then us FreeDOS users could have our windowing system (built with djgpp) - we could finally have Mozilla et al. - that's what really should be done - a subsystem that can run without using a network connection - but the connection is available for running remote apps.
AOL; I think that GEM has it right offering the system in integrated components à la CP/M or Messy Dog (the VDI//BIOS, AES//BDOS and separate DESKTOP//CCP). The windowing system should IMVAO come with its own window manager and shell.
Hmm, could My Atari Derived (library cloning the GEM API) be modified into a *x windowing subsystem?
You must have had an Amstrad 1512 or so-ish, by your description.
BTW, check out the latest version of GEM - AES and desktop at http://www.seasip.info/ - you shouldn't have much trouble finding the rest at http://www.deltasoft.com/.
I do some "leet" programming on DOSPLUS, LOL! And it's been hacked to read up to a 512MB HDD;)
>Generally, I think the problem here is that the >entire article is badly written. I suspect that >the original author is not a native English >speaker, or maybe did not think very much about >the words he was actually writing.
HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.;)
Bah. I had a 1000RL. That's an 8086 with 512K (Expanded to 768K) RAM, Tandy 16-color graphics, and a 20MB hard drive. It ran Windows 3.0 just damn fine. It wasn't exactly snappy, and I could only run it in CGA high-res monochrome mode...but it worked. I remember writing a couple of school papers using the WordPad predecessor (Write?) it had. I was pretty stingy with drive space and had too much free time, so I'd usually install Windows, do what I needed to do, then remove it.
Windows 3.1 required EGA, so I left that alone until I got my 486.
Yes, Write.
BTW I have a Tandy 1000 SX (640K RAM, max res 640x200x4) with M$-DOS 3.20 (Tandy OEM), on which I crammed Windows 3.00a.
And it *is* theoretically possible (I've done it) to leeto-haxor the Win3.0 CGA drivers into Windows 3.1, although the "win.com" might need to be hacked so as not to go into VGA mode...:\
"I also have every MSDOS ever made, starting from Microsoft DOS 1.10 all the way up to 7, and of course QBasic 4.5"
QBasic 1 was a cut-down version of QuickBasic 4.5; QB!=QBASIC;)
BTW, try me. Do you have *all* of these? If so, I'd really like to see the ones starred.
1.25, 2.01*, 2.11, 2.25*, 3.05*, 3.1, E4.0, 3.2, 3.21, 3.3, 4.00* (I've seen it in the wild on a Dell!), 4.01, 5.00, 6.00, 6.20, 6.21, 6.22.
I have access to copies of 1.25 (Corona OEM), 2.11 (Genericized from Tandy+Osborne with PC 2.10), 3.21 (Hyosung OEM), and 3.3 (DELL OEM). Except for 2.01, 2.25, 3.05 and 6.21, I can be 100% sure that all these versions exist.
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If a 66 MHz Mac is good enough, I wonder if it would be possible to leeto-haxor a DOS version and run it on my 64MB 486/133. ;)
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Now there's an idea. Hey mods, how 'bout marking that one "Informative"? ;)
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I need only mention Marat Fayzullin and Martin "nocash" Korth...
Marat stopped offering DOS and Windows downloads of his software, and nocash stopped even developing his software, when the programs kept getting 13370-h4x0red.
It's a shame, really.
That's why I just GPL my emulator and say - look, you want to pay me for it, go right ahead - but I don't ask for payment, and I don't require it.
-uso.
I disagree; if they ask you to pay for it, it's shareware, even if you get the whole thing.
If you don't get the whole thing, it's demoware imho.
-uso.
Have you not heard about egcs? People were upset about the stagnation of gcc, forked it, named it egcs, came up with a better system. The gcc core team was "fired" and the baton was passed to the egcs team. History repeats? Wait and see...
-uso.
In your statement that "X Windows" is wrong, you are absolutely correct. It is "X Window" or "X Window System".
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(IMHO, mod up 3 Funny) ;)
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AOL !!! And maybe then us FreeDOS users could have our windowing system (built with djgpp) - we could finally have Mozilla et al. - that's what really should be done - a subsystem that can run without using a network connection - but the connection is available for running remote apps.
-uso.
AOL; I think that GEM has it right offering the system in integrated components à la CP/M or Messy Dog (the VDI//BIOS, AES//BDOS and separate DESKTOP//CCP). The windowing system should IMVAO come with its own window manager and shell.
Hmm, could My Atari Derived (library cloning the GEM API) be modified into a *x windowing subsystem?
-uso.
"So, exactly how did MS get their monopoly on the desktop then?"
Simple - by using FUD tactics againt GEM. (I might be able to dig up some proof for this too)
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GEM r0x0r!
Don't forget that you can get sporks at Tao Bell
(Yeah, I know, my post is going to be modded -1 Off-Topic.)
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"I have a lowly PIII 550 256Mb at home"
That's "lowly" ? My home PC is a 486DX5/133 64MB. That's why I run PC DOS 7 on it. LOL
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So I hear...
I'm interested in finding copies of M$-DOS prior to 3.20. Just out of curiosity. *g* 2.11 I have since it was burned into the ROM of my old Tandy.
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Don't ask me, I use nano ;)
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I would kill to not have to run NJSTAR just to view docs from the latest 8-bit emulator download...be cool if I had a copy of DOS/V ;)
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http://www.toastytech.com/
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You must have had an Amstrad 1512 or so-ish, by your description.
;)
BTW, check out the latest version of GEM - AES and desktop at http://www.seasip.info/ - you shouldn't have much trouble finding the rest at http://www.deltasoft.com/.
I do some "leet" programming on DOSPLUS, LOL! And it's been hacked to read up to a 512MB HDD
-uso.
GEM r0x0r!
>Generally, I think the problem here is that the
;)
>entire article is badly written. I suspect that
>the original author is not a native English
>speaker, or maybe did not think very much about
>the words he was actually writing.
HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.
-uso.
It's been done...
BTW I have a Tandy 1000 SX (640K RAM, max res 640x200x4) with M$-DOS 3.20 (Tandy OEM), on which I crammed Windows 3.00a.
And it *is* theoretically possible (I've done it) to leeto-haxor the Win3.0 CGA drivers into Windows 3.1, although the "win.com" might need to be hacked so as not to go into VGA mode... :\
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Basically it's true.
M$ XENIX -> SCO XENIX -> SCO UNIX
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The one with the triangular antenna I call "Abortion Head".
;)
(Mod me down to oblivion if you like)
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*bomb icon*
Sorry, system error $xx occurred.
[ Reboot ]
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Yeah, Nyetscrape Notvigator 2.0 gave me a good share of 'em.
"Was that the first one with Solitaire?"
:D
Yes, AFAIK (unless some version between 2.03 and 3.00 had it).
3.00 is also the only version of Windoze that will run Solitaire on an 8088.
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It depends. For me it's usually "end Main".
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"I also have every MSDOS ever made, starting from Microsoft DOS 1.10 all the way up to 7, and of course QBasic 4.5"
;)
QBasic 1 was a cut-down version of QuickBasic 4.5; QB!=QBASIC
BTW, try me. Do you have *all* of these? If so, I'd really like to see the ones starred.
1.25, 2.01*, 2.11, 2.25*, 3.05*, 3.1, E4.0, 3.2, 3.21, 3.3, 4.00* (I've seen it in the wild on a Dell!), 4.01, 5.00, 6.00, 6.20, 6.21, 6.22.
I have access to copies of 1.25 (Corona OEM), 2.11 (Genericized from Tandy+Osborne with PC 2.10), 3.21 (Hyosung OEM), and 3.3 (DELL OEM). Except for 2.01, 2.25, 3.05 and 6.21, I can be 100% sure that all these versions exist.
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