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jobugeek writes "Neowin has an article that shows the progression of Microsoft Windows from pre-windows 1.0 through the 2003 server. For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry."
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There's been no real revolution since win95... just evolution. Will revolution happen anytime soon?
did anyone ever hyndai or whatever computers? they were only released as an experiment to see how well they worked.. they were cheap as heck and they planned on giving them to school. they could only handle this bad wordprocessing program, "wordstar"
windows user interface has ALWAYS been prettier than that. even if it always has been pretty damned ugly.
You don't appreciate how ugly the standard Windows colors are without this kind of perspective.
How about a link to the article in question?
RaGe
We're all just noise on the wires..
What they need is a history of windows blue screens....and photos of frustrated 4th year students who lose 3 hours worth of work, 2 hours before there final papers are due.
You know who you are!
Wordstar was bad?
That was a great program that started many of the flag based text editing programs to date. All of the commands were at the bottom of the screen and it was relatively easy to use. I really thought that was a good program.
Hey, at least the bloat hadn't yet set in. I have a few versions of Windows archived away here just because they don't take up too much room.
Win 1.0 is a 244k zip file.
Win 2.0 really went overkill and that's where the bloat set in I'm afraid. 667kb. What do people need all that for anyway?
Ignoring the fact I made this (mod it down if that's a problem - I don't mind) I think they missed one of the screen shots of early windows -
:D
A never released version of windows*
*of maybe it was - you decide
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looking at all of them one thing really
strikes you, win95 was quite a leap.
till then it really was not close to
a usable desktop. win95 was the racehorse...
What a moron? If you are goint to build a product now on todays technology and build tools it better look better than windows pre 1.0. Why don't you build it from scratch on a calculator and get back to me on it?
why did this get modded to 1? It doesn't make any sense.
Useless moderators, probably gave it a 1 simply because he's not AC.
see subj :-)
clicking page #16
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You may call it slashdotting, but I say BLAME WINDOWS!
(Or perhaps it was just emulating the slow release process of Win -95)
All opinions are my own - until criticized
Less then twenty posts and I get this:
"The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."
now a blue screen would have been funny...
"For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry." Has it ever dawned to you that some people actually like using Windows??? Not everyone is a Microsoft bashing Linux freak like you Michael.
He had a 2 from karma bonus and got modded down to 1.
How he got that karma in the first place is anybody's guess, though.
22 comments on the story, and the site is already experiencing the full force of the /. effect. I wonder what OS that server's running? Oh. Well, that blows my theory out of the water.
You know, this was a lot funnier BEFORE I went to netcraft.
Windows has progressed (into what is debatable), but that (awful) solitaire program looks exactly the same as it did in 3.0.
/sarcasm
Hopefully we can get some 3D solitaire in the next windows.
I've seen all of these before, on a GUI gallery site.
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
0-/.ed in 10 seconds. Do'h!
This page was generated by a Barrel of Circus Midgets, and that is the way I like it!!!
Too bad the Server Too Busy error wasn't setup as a Blue Screen of Death. Then it would have been truely windows like.
ooh thanks now I am going to be investigated by them milatry for being a terrorist.
bastard
I was using OS/2 during that whole sordid Windows thing. Sure I've seen Windows, but I never inhaled. I never saw the point in Windows; still don't. I'll admit to exchanging blow jobs with some of my buddies when I was 14, but I'll never admit to using any MS product except NT4 at work ( unplesent duty, that).
It got slashdotted when I was looking at page 3 with win 3.1/3.2, could anyone show me what win95 and on looked like?
In regards to windows 1.0:
It took 55 programmers one year to develop this program.
And 500 slashdotters 20 minutes to overload neowin's server looking at screenshots of an OS we all supposedly loath . . .
First, many of the screens from the article appear to have been taken from The GUI Gallery, which is kinda lame since it's basically just a copy of that site anyway. The author even says that he "picked them up" from the internet. :P
And second, wasn't this posted here like a week ago?
The usual upgrades. They like to do it between 2-4am EST from what I've noticed. You should've posted AC to spare some karma. *shrug*
If you make make your app run nicely on that configuration, then have 15 years of development for improvement, then you might have something.
//TODO: Think of witty sig statement
Very funny...
The URL link is doing http://.../cmd.exe?... Is fake...
I rather be free in hell than a slave in heaven.
From the Netcraft link:
mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.1
Looks like it's working perfectly. They probably have to pay through the nose to their hosting company if throughput exceeds some arbitrary limit.
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If you have your old copy of Windows 95 System Programming Secrets (1995, Matt Pietrek) handy, he has some examples of how those pesky Int 21 calls (DOS services) are still thunked down to that crappy old DOS layer, instead of being completely handled in the kernal, as in WinNT. If there was truely no DOS, there would be no thunking, no crappy DOS layer, and no MSDOS.SYS/IO.SYS/COMMAND.COM garbage.
Microsoft's marketing machine tried (and mostly managed) to convince the world that 'DOS is dead' with this version of Windows. Rumor has it that BillG got totally hacked off by an Apple commerical that compared booting a Mac with booting a WIntel box, and told his minions that the next version (95) better boot right to Windows.
Yeah, right.
The first time I was introduced to Windows, I was using a Tandy 1000RLX. For those of you who didn't follow the history of Tandy's 1000 series, it basically started with the original 1000 and went something like this... RGEG@#3t232tG@#g@#G23#%#@^!@^grsg
Yea, that's about as much sense as it made - the 1000 moniker was absolutely useless for determining what kind of system it was. So anyway, as it turns out, the 1000RLX was an XT-286. Yep, while other 286s had a 16-bit bus and 16-bit ISA slots... My crappy Tandy didn't. What it did have was a 10MHz AMD 286 chip on an 8-bit bus with 256k VGA graphics, 1MB of RAM, a 1.44MB floppy drive and an XT-IDE 40MB hard drive. It also had one 8-bit ISA slot that I decided to cram a 2400bps modem into.
So anyway, I certainly didn't have the hardware for Windows 3.0 and while I don't remember the exact date, I do remember Windows 3.1 was just about to come out in a few months... So it was back in the day. I got ahold of a copy of Windows 3.0 and installed it on that Tandy and guess what - my mouse didn't work.
I called tech support (you could actually reach a live person back in the day!) for the Tandy computer... They kinda wondered where I got a copy of Windows from (since the computer didn't come with it, it came with Tandy's Deskmate) but instead of telling me "No, we don't support operating systems that didn't come bundled... blah blah blah" like you'd expect to hear today - they were actually helpful and explained that this XT-286 had the PS/2 mouse port on a non standard IRQ and I'd need to get a serial mouse.
To make a long story longer, I waited awhile for 3.1 to be released and ended up pawning off the computer on my father and convinced him to buy me a Tandy 2500SX/25 instead... So not only could I run the new Windows 3.1 with a mouse, I also could run it in 386 protected mode with a whopping 2MB of ram and an 80MB hard drive. From what I remember of Windows 3.1, it was always very slow and it seemed to crash a lot and every few weeks or so it managed to crash badly enough to corrupt itself. Blue screens nowadays make me feel all nolstalgic.
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DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
I guess I hadn't seen screenshots for 2003 server. I noticed that they didn't include the Playschool GUI in it, they stuck with the old windows style. I guess they figured no self respecting IT worker would want the kiddie interface.
"Beware the squirrels"
It was the funniest thing I've ever experienced at my computer. I was amazed that a page with such high graphical content had not been /.ed yet. I started running through the versions slowly, carefully. I almost forgot to breathe as image after image successfully loaded. I was up to Windows 2.0, thankfully (or not) the only version of Windows I hadn't seen (been running Windows since 3.11 for Workgroups). Then, it happened. I prayed silently to the DSL gods to see me through the last image as it s l o w l y loaded. I knew what had come. I knew what had begun. The teeming nerds of /. ravaged and raped the virtual landscape, devouring the last coherant shreds of interesting pictures. Alas...
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It's not quite a complete slashdotting when the site handles extreme load gracefully like this one does.
"For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry."
What kind of an immature way is that to end an article. Just because it's Microsoft, we have to bash them? Please, grow up..
I'm obviously posting anon, because I know how these moderator nazis are going to mod me down within minutes..
In the end, when you leftist, anti-war hippies face hypocricy.. you'll realize you're not as peaceful and noble as you think you're made out to be..
with such history
...
why should i believe that the
best is yet to come?
If he could see this
then CEO William Gates
would turn in his grave.
am i looking for
details about the OS
that i am using?
neowin dot net.
The server is too busy
try again later.
will.
I clicked on replies to posts, and got sent back to the main page... where the same ad was along side each story... *shudder*
Illegal Operation: "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later." How familiar
Carpe Diem: Seize The Day!
All your face..
are belong to John Poindexter! I fell for it too.
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I think it's quite telling that for several years the biggest-selling and most popular application for Windows was what?
A screen saver! (After Dark)
>....For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry."
We are sorry to have M$, you insensitive clod!
"The horror, the horror." -- Kurtz
X(7): A program for managing terminal windows. See also screen(1).
Didn't see your comment, so I posted below.
The screens are from The GUI Gallery, and the author even says he "picked them up" from the net.
thqat was wierd - just had to get a screenie of it . I must note, though, that I had a much longer period of broken /. - about an hour.
You can read the official M$ story of the windows history at microsoft.com :)
including horrible coloured screenshots
Rus
Cheap UK and US VPS
Here is the google'd-cache'd mirror of the website that King Michael's news-submitting subject stole^H^H^H^H^Hborrowed the articles link from.
-SlashdotTroll (because I want karma so bad, I can't wait to post somthing nice when my 24-hour detention is finished)
right when I started there was a whole pile of software boxen in the hallway. My manager told me that I could take whatever I wanted. So I looked around and found really early versions of Windows and DOS. I thought it was cool and so I took em home. Then one day after perhaps one too many evenings of Linux hacking I was cleaning up my room... you guessed it, out they went. I have to admit, I regret that a bit...
Please say some moderator was just watching fox news... funniest thing ever. If not, wait a couple hours before modding me offtopic. Thanks.
I haven't used MS-Windows/MS-Office in years and I still have the reflex to hit Ctrl-S at the end of each sentence or any time I pause for a moment while typing.
Usually, I catch it in time to abstract it to "Save" and use the correct short cut. But being a reflex it unfortunately still kicks in sometimes as Ctrl-S ... even in Bash or vi.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
I'm on Windows XP with the latest IE6 and that link doesn't do shit :)
Come on, if you're gonna do Microsoft exploits, at least find ones that haven't already been fixed.
The article claims "A completely rewritten application development environment with modular virtual device drivers (VxDs), native support for applications running in extended memory and fully pre-emptive MS-DOS multitasking"
As I remember it, win 3 was Co-operative multitasking - crash 1 app, crash them all
Ah, the days before bloat.
I don't want to sound like a slashdot fanboy, but one pag (page 8) really caught my eye:
The Windows NT Workstation 3.5 release provided the highest degree of protection yet for critical business applications and data.
While I enjoy nostalgic work such as this, I can live without this kind of revisionist commentary.
Feed the need: Digitaladdiction.net
here
the "skip to page number" at bottom of pages don't work - you'll need to hit back on your browser
What about us poor schmucks who have to keep our programs compatible to the 95/98/Me family, while still integrating a "modern XP look" (blech) for marketing? Don't we get some sympathy?
Microsoft Layer for Unicode, here I come...
That said, did anyone else have a Tandy 1000, or specifically the 1000/TL? It was actually pretty sharp back in the day, and may have been the last custom computer Radio Scrap offered. It had the operating system (older version of MS-DOS, I forget which one) in ROM on the D drive, so it booted insanely fast. It also came with some windows/office kind of software called Deskmate, which sort of resembled Windows 1.0. It was a desktop environment with a word processor and some other stuff, which was graphic-based, but the text was the same size/font as the standard IBM-PC text at 80x25 character resolution. Anybody else besides me ever use that? I don't remember anything else about it, though.
make world, not war
A great many people think they are thinking but they are really rearing their prejudices
Although he knows the history of windows, he doesn't know the release history for it. Does anyone actually believe it will ship on that date? Anyone willing to lay money on that?
Ok this is totally besides the topic but I thought it was quite funny.
;)
I was clicking the MS link instead of the neowin link (it's early here!) and I found out my mistake soon enough. I then instinctly used the back option on internet explorer (I can't help it! I am at work) and then it happened: "Internet explorer crashed".
Apparently you can't back out of MS once you're in
Dre
Here's a Windows Timeline list of each MS OS and its date. Also, includes the current future OS'.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
DOS thunking only occured to make 3rd party Terminate and Stay Resident (TSR) programs continue function as expected. No TSR's, no thunking.
Thus it was only for compatibility with old apps that this highly complex feature was added. Today they'd cry monopoly if that hadn't been done.
I don't see Win95 as a big leap. Okay, the desktop looks completely different from Win 3.1 (the last release before that). But there's not that much more. People used Win 3.x even years after the release of 1995. The old 3.x just worked for them.
/286 and /386) have been just ugly.
The real milestone was Windows 3.0. The versions before (1.0, 2.0 and the interem releases
I remember back when I showed Windows 3.0 a friend of mine (as computer addicted as I was). He was more than impressed, he was thrilled. When the installer switched to graphics mode, this first reaction was: wow!
We liked Windows 3.0, it was - in our eyes - even prettier than those times Amiga or ST desktops.
Looking back, Windows 3.0 and 3.1 had already some of the most important features incorporeted, like truetype font support (Linux has still problems in that area even now... *sigh*) or COM to embedd applications.
Another important feature was a programming modell, leaving the 640k barrier and the 8088 behind. They could even use the features of the then state of the art 80386.
Windows 95 had many improvements, like the completely new desktop or the 32 bit API. (which got backported in parts as Win32s, remember?) But I think without the huge success of Windows 3.x, we would have never seen Win95. We would use OS/2 right now, a version that would look very different from the desktop IBM created after the divorce with Microsoft. (Because the main cause for Microsoft for this divorce was the huge success of Windows 3.x. Why bother with a difficult partner, when you can have even more success alone?)
Later, when Windows NT hit the streets, I was used to work with the programm manager (windows 3.x and nt 3.x style), that I needed a lot of time, to get familiar with Windows 95 and NT4.
All I'm getting is this white screen. Isn't the blue screen of death supposed to be blue?
My eyes!
My eyes!
MY GOD MY EYES!
I'm blind!
24 Apr. 2003 - Windows 2003 Server
Since when do Microsoft deliver on time ?
Ah, yes : since they deliver public Betas...
Trolling using another account since 2005.
I mean, really. It was supposed to be a revolutionary interface!
Why back in the middle ages get this..they used swords! Those fools! Why didn't they just use guns!
Programmers today have no clue what programming was like back in the early days of the PC. The system had to boot in 64k, which is equivilant to a few icons in todays world. The graphics technology was so primitive most programmers today would refuse to write code for it; the pixels weren't square and there was no screen read!
Yet the functionality was substantially similar to what we have today; networking, graphics, spreadsheets, word processors with fonts.
Put down the early days of windows all you want, twenty years from now you will be defending the "boneheaded code" you wrote in your youth and you may just get a taste of it; though not the full course meal since starting a billion dollar enterprise is much much more difficult than coat-tailing on one.
I want to know what sylvester stallone is doing using MS Small Business Server 2000.
Toastytech.com has had all these (except Windows server 2003) all organised for a long time now, I think they might even be the same snapshots, maybe they are copied. Either way, the thing I'd like to point out is he keeps recognising all the web intergration throughout the year. Now even the enterprise servers are web intergrated. I knew this would happen, and it is going to make things even slower. It is nice that they put the ability to disable filesharing/etc right there for the people too stupid to secure a win2k server I guess, but the days of Microsoft prevailing are numbered, just like IBM with os/360 and cobal were. I just wokeup at 2 am with a nightmare, so don't be a grammer nazi either.
the end.
just kidding, actually my father reinstalled the system, and eventually we got it working.
-Look lively. LOOK LIVELY!!! --Mr. Shmallow
No reference to CE. Are they embarrassed?
Dude, don't let your critical updates just sit there in your taskbar... install them!
This article seems to have some inaccuracies.
Namely that versions of Windows before Win95 didn't fully support the 386 (dunno 'bout NT, never used it), despite what the article claims, still had worthless (and error-prone) cooperative multi-tasking, nor did they have anything resembling a 32-bit filesystem. FAT32, Microsoft's 32-bit file system, didn't come along until Windows 95; prior to that they had FAT16.
Additionally, starting with the 286 you could have more than 640k of RAM. The 286, IIRC, had a 24-bit address space and could therefor address up to 16 megabytes when running in 16-bit protected mode, but even in its protected mode still suffered from the horrid segmentation model that so annoyed programmers writing software for Intel's earlier x86 CPUs. Intel's poor segmentation system didn't become a thing of the past (or at least something you could ignore) until the 386 and its 32-bit protected mode.
I remember taking a screenshot involved a rather complex process. I believe one had to hit shift-printscreen, open that crappy paint program, paste the image in, then save it out, only having the option to use the awful bitmap (.bmp) format. WHAT A PAIN!
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They Are Vermin Feeding On Each Other's Feces.
I Hate \.
Warp 4 was released in 1996 - any copying (window close buttons, start menu, taskbar, etc) was by OS/2 off Win95 (for which MS copied of many other products as well, but Win95 was before Warp4)
Warp3 was more Win3.x-ish.
Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down.
Hmm, I used
1
3.1
3.11
3.5NT
95
4NT (still use it)
98SE (still use it)
W2k (still use it)
XP
1.0 was a joke. The only useful program was Excel, and at that point Quattro was a million times better.
3.11 was the killer, even I could put a network together - when we moved into our new factory I had all 8 PCs networked in a morning, much to the surprise of me and my boss. It wasn't perfect, but it did work.
I didn't really understand the hoopla with 95, but I could see the point of NT3.5. Since it wouldn't run games I got rid of it pretty damn quick, but the stability and basic useability was impressive, to me.
So I reckon they jumped the shark at 3.11
"For the time it was high-end. Nobody had 256 color displays, you were getting 'high end' EGA cards with 32 colors, and 256 colors was available for several thousand bucks. Your high-end machines were 32-bit and aproaching 33 Mhz, with 32-mb of disk space and, if you were rich, had 16 MB of RAM. A more common scenario was a 16-bit machine with a 20-mb hard disk, 12 or 16 Mhz, and up 2 MB of ram"
Some of us were using AmigaDOS or RISC OS and had 32bit machines, thousands or millions of colours and decent sound support all for a reasonable price. 80's PCs were crap!
Made my friends jealous when they only had CGA graphics at 320x200 at 4 colors.
You do realise all the Amiga users were laughing at you throughout the 80's, don't you? Good.
This is the first time I actually noticed the dates on all this software.
Back in the late-eighties/early-nineties I only knew Macs. I had family that worked at Apple so I had access to a lot of stuff. I finally moved over to a PC in 1998, when I got tired of connecting to shell accounts and wanted to get my own unix machine.
Anyway, I can't believe the dates here. I always assumed that Windows 3.1 came out in 87/88, what with the horrible interface and lack of features. I remember playing with a Mac 128k in 1985 that worked better than 3.1, minus the color.
It really makes me wonder what they were thinking at Apple back then, making the machines so expensive rather than trying to take over the market when they had such a lead. It boggles the mind.
[insert witty quote here]
The 32-bit operating system also offered enhanced multimedia capabilities, more powerful features for mobile computing, and integrated networking
I think the author pulled this straight out of Microsoft's propaganda. I don't know what qualify Windows 95 as a 32-bit OS.
Windows 95 cannot perform preemptive multitasking when 16-bit applications are running. Therefore if you plan to use mostly older 16-bit applications, you should not expect to see productivity improvements. There are also times when Windows 95 cannot multitask 32-bit applications. Windows 95 uses older 16-bit code for two very important modules( Window management and Graphics Device Interface). When an application needs to use these modules, they have to wait in line until the previous application gives up control, the operating system cannot preempt it. If a 32-bit application needs to use one of these two modules, it may have to wait for it. That application is not able to multitask while it waits. In addition, 16-bit applications can inhibit the multitasking related performance of the 32-bit applications. When you run a mix of 16-bit and 32-bit applications, Windows 95 resorts to a less sophisticated form of multitasking called cooperative multitasking.
You see, 'pure 32-bit OS mode' will never happen.
with over 90% of PC users choosing to adopt this software
Heh, well, if having it violently shoved onto your future computer by its manufacturer...
Or if having to pirate a copy because you can't afford it and for some God-awful reason you need to hone your l337 haxor sk177Z on it because UNIX is just too easy...
Of if you actually bought it because a winmodem is your only ticket online. If that all in some convoluted way constitutes choice, then yes, we "adopted" Windows.
Jobugeek wrote: "For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry." Why? I have produced a lot of stuff using Windows? I don't think Windows is _that_ bad even if I mostly use Linux today.
Also, there has been a lot of sarcasms in the previous posts regarding the slashdotted site. But checking with www.netcraft.com one sees their server's setup:
"The site www.neowin.net is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_log_bytes/1.0 mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.1 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7 on Linux."
I presume the author refers to the fact that NT 3.5 was the first MS OS that received the security C2 certification level (although as a stand-alone, non connected station).
Krouic
"The Windows NT Workstation 3.5 release provided the highest degree of protection yet for critical business applications and data."
While I enjoy nostalgic work such as this, I can live without this kind of revisionist commentary.
Actually I used NT 3.5 and 3.51 for several years with practically no OS-level crashes. That surely is some degree of protection?
.: Max Romantschuk
I presume the author refers to the fact that NT 3.5 was the first (and only ?) MS OS to receive the C2 level security certification, although as a stand-alone (non connected) machine.
Krouic
You people are SLASH BOTS. I realize bill gates is a monopolizing bastard, and very dominating of this industry, but you don't even take the time to realize, that because, and ONLY BECAUSE MS has so much money, they invest that money into designing what is a superior product. Yes, Windows has a lot of problems- guess what, Linux has more. Maybe the internals of Linux are much cleaner, but until I can assemble a completely random machine, have an install as easy as Windows, and NOT have to recompile a kernal each time I change something, Windows is going to stay maintstream. Windows isn't popular because its a fad, it really is easier, and in today's world, easier is better. It seems that some of you have so much fun hating microsoft that you forget that there is more than one reason they are so damn sucessful. Yes, part of it is a monopoly, but part of it is a superior product.
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was that it put all the window-decoration icons (minimize/maximize/close) next to eachother, thus causing a lot of trouble to the users...
Szo
Red Leader Standing By!
As of now they appeared to have temperarly pulled the story as of now...
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
I have Windows 1.01 archived on some cd... I tried it once and it actually ran from Windows 2000 command prompt :) It hung though after I tried to open some directories.
>Why, why was I not allowed to spend them to give Michael's comments a '-1 Flamebait'? WHY?!?
>KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
From hell's heart he stabs at thee? For hate's sake he spits his last breath at thee?
There are zealots everywhere. On Neowin you'll find your fair share of Microsoft zealots, on Slashdot you'll find your fair share of Anti-Microsoft zealots, on an Apple website you'd find your fair share of Apple zealots, etc...
People have their views. Sometimes people's views are based upon a line of logic that that person happens to agree with, and a lot of times people's views are based on other things. The people in the latter category are ignorant. You will find these groups of people everywhere. There is really nothing you can do about it. So I would suggest that you simply get used to it or you are going to have a very hard time in life.
Even you yourself appear to be quite ignorant. This is not necessarily an insult, as I am not attempting to challenge your intelligence. But based upon a lot of comments you made in your post you are very uninformed. Although your last comment pushes you into the arrogant (ignorance mixed with ego) category imho. My purpose in saying this is not to flame bit, but to show you that even you express zealousness. So you might want to be a bit more tolerant when you see others expressing that same quality, or you might come across as a hypocrite to some.
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
Hiya!
Didn't get a chance to see the pictures, server is slashdotted. So I did a quick googling around and found a nice site that shows the history of the AmigaOS. http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/index.html
I had forgot just how nasty Workbench 1.x's colours where. Makes XP look friendly *g*
Novell was an evil mistress back than, it was like the mature lady down the street propogating herpes to every yound lad willing and able.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
I've got a windows 1.0 boot floppy lying around.... and you know what?
It works just fine on my Pentium 4 machine!!
surely this can't be a good thing?!?!!?
neowin's web interface sucks!
There are 18 pages in the article, but there's no "Next" or "Prevous" links. Instead, you have to pick out the next page from a list in the lower left corner of the page. Over in the lower right, there's what's apparently supposed to be a better navigation tool, but it seemed to be stuck on "1 2 3 ... >>", where the "..." wasn't a link. The digits took you to the appropriate pages, the ">>" seems to be to take you to the last page, but instead takes you to page 10.
Also, clicking on any of the images brought it up in a new window, overlaying the original, so I couldn't navigate back except by closing the window. That really sucked, and discouraged me from investigating many of the images. (Of course, if you're anticipating being slashdotted, maybe you don't want people trying to load many of the images!)
Overall, I'd submit this article for inclusion in the hall of shame, except that http://www.iarchitect.com/ doesn't seem to have survived the dot-bomb crash.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
1. Are you sorry because, for people who have used all of them, this is is a boring story, or
2. Are you just plain sorry for people who have used all of them?
Before the server stopped serving pages... interesting to see tho, the server just pops up a "server too busy, try again later" message instead of just barfing all over the place!
Lucky you. At 2:30AM you got to 3.1. By 5 AM, you get the fist page but nothing else. I'd say the DoS bots are more responsible for that than actual Slashdot readers so early in the morning, still many things don't add up about that site.
How can it be that I can consistently see the first page, and other pages of Neowin but not the later pages? Why is it that a site that's so obviously infatuated with M$ garbage is Running run on Apache and Linux? No, not just the Windoze evolution stuff, the whole site. From the hideous AOL rip off "community" icons of MSN to the topics of every artilce it's all M$. Strange how their 20 day average uptime looks more like their favorite OS than it does anything else such as the 100 day averages of Debian or the Free Software Foundation (both linux) or even the New York Times(solaris). Yeah, whatever. There's no telling what their front page junk is doing to Hurricane Electric, the site host.
No big deal. I've seen and have a copy of windows 2 on a 286 and I've been unfortuneate enough to have used everything between 3.1 and 2000. Nothing much changes. IEEEEEEEE! It hurts, make it stop. Make it stop, please.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
Of course you can talk about differences between the two, but not about changes, as 2000 wasn't changed into XP.
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
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"For those of you who have used all of them, I'm sorry."
Errr, why? Not half as sorry as I feel for those who've used X11 since the beginning. Ever got stuck with TWM or FVMW (feeble virtual window manager) or OpenLook? They give me the shudders just thinking of them! FVWM even had a Win95 look on my Slackware distro back in the mid-90's. The difference between them is that you're increasingly unlikely to see older Windows UIs, yet the crap old X11 ones are still active today. My XFree86 under Windows/Cygwin comes with TWM, and I had to suffer TWM on my Linux box the other day when I was compiling a newer version of KDE. Ugh!
I'm curious as to how the tiled interface in Windows 1.0 works. We've had discussions on /. before about tiling GUIs (talking mostly about window managers like Ion/larswm), but here's a commercial GUI that offered one as standard.
I want to know how it worked - how were windows moved/resized and where did new windows appear etc.
Neowin > Articles > Microsoft Windows History part 2
:)
Posted by creamhackered on 14 March 2003 (103729 views) Rating: 3
Windows Server 2003, released April 24th 2003.
Couldn't resist to do this
You're obviously a troll, but I'm bored so I'll have a go.
"Maybe the internals of Linux are much cleaner, but until I can assemble a completely random machine, have an install as easy as Windows"
Well I have installed Mandrake 9 on a brand new Dell that came pre-loaded with XP, no trouble at all. All the hardware auto-detected, everything worked, and only one reboot. Later, I installed the same OS on a P133 with 48MB of Ram and some old, ISA network card, again with no need to do anything but put the CD in and wait. How is this more complicated than installing Windows?
"and NOT have to recompile a kernal each time I change something"
Now you're just babbling.
"Windows isn't popular because its a fad"
I don't imagine anyone of sound mind would ever suggest that.
"part of it is a superior product"
Well it's easy to _say_ that. It really all depends on how you measure it.
Oh wait, maybe you're right. Thank goodness there are well informed, open minded people like you with balanced opinions to make up for all these Linux zealots.
When I was at University, in the mid 80s, windowing systems were the real high end, final year undergraduate student stuff. Much as I hate the beast, I think it does deserve some credit for Windows 3.0 and 3.1 which really did take this stuff out to the masses.
I really had to fight my then employers to go for Windows in the mid-90s (we were still using DOS and Wordperfect) and the benefits of the switch were real and immediate. Back then Linux was for geeks (:->) and nothing else was really a serious, low cost option for mass roll out on cheap hardware.
That's all changed now, of course.
Here's a fun game to play - think of all the aftermarket 'fixes' for Winblow$ and the marketing metaphore. For example:
1) First Aid - Windows is a sick person hemorraging blood and needs 'first aid' while waiting for the 'doctor' or ambulance. It is also succeptible to 'viruses' and diseases. Adherents to this metaphone often say, "My computer is sick!"
2) Oil Change - Windows is an automobile that need regular perodic 'maintenance', as if there were metal parts in there rubbing together and need lubricant. They also often need a cheap muffler, tire rotation, etc. See Also "Tune Up". Adherents to this metaphone say their computer is "In the shop" being repaired, or "Hey Jim! Put 'er up on the rack again - the transmission's still acting up!".
3) Power Tools - Windows is a decrepit old house that just needs a little 'fixing up' and 'sweat equity' to fix the drafty windows, broken stair steps, etc. This metaphore suggests a 'do it yourself' person more willing to tinker with their system than the Sick Human or Broken Automobile metaphore, who must call a Dr. or mechanic. But sometimes users of 'power tools' just make things worse and have to call in a 'contractor' to reinstall a whole new house.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Blue screen of birth
Blue screen of death
7:24am www.neowin.net has been /.'ed
Noone writes jokes in base 13!
Does this look familiar?
The article seems to have taken most of its text from that microsoft.com link.
In college, in the 89-92 timeframe, I used macs for several things. Mathematica was a big draw, and graphical spreadsheets were nice as well. But for serious computation I gradually began to more use the PC's. Particularly once the 386 was released, the advantage was in the PC's court from my observations, particularly in the realm of task-switching.
I don't think that Mac caught up til OSX, and in that case I think they leapfrogged ahead. But the damage was done in the intervening decade.
Many moons ago I made a 31/2" disk bootable to a stripped down version of Windows 3.1 with a stripped down WordPerfect 5.1, and it even included a HP LaserJet II driver. Only 1 font, no bold or underline. And I managed to leave solitaire on it too. If you went through the resource kit on necessary files, for both 3.1 and WP, you would find that most of them weren't! I used to give them to guys who were going on travel before laptops became commonplace. There is usually a lot of bloat in any OS or software package.
http://toastytech.com/guis/win101disk.zip
Runs nicely in VMWARE.
Hum. Except that it's not slashdotted, the guy didn't want to have to pay a huge bill because of thousand guys downloading GBs in a couple of hours.
Is the webserver that hosts the pics, running windows? why do i ask? cause i can't access anything... the message "Sorry guys I just can't handle the load." comes up everytime. tsk tsk!
You do realise all the Amiga users were laughing at you throughout the 80's, don't you? Good.
Much like the workstation crowd was laughing at you during the 80's, and the rest of the industry laughed at you in the 90's and 00's. So the Amiga had a cool gfx card once...SO FUCKING WHAT?!? where's you're Amiga now?
It must not be taken out of context
I had Gem on my 8088 (512K, 30Mb HDD) and had a funky graphics card that would do CGA hi-res in 16 colours. So Gem was nice and colourful (though fixed windows, unlike atari Gem).
With first Word Plus and Timeworks DTP, the machine was excellent for doing schoolwork and stuff.
Now this PC I got also came with 2 operating systems, MS-DOS 3.2 and DOS Plus - Due to software compatibility, I tended to use MS-DOS, dos plus was slightly more memory hungry. I made the choice to use MS-DOS because it *was* a better operating system.
I remember windows 2 coming out and being quite excited - I remember starting it up - waiting ages - running in monochrome (it didn't support my weird graphics card) and played othello for about 30 minutes and then uninstalled it. My opinion: windows is a flop. (DOS is still good though!)
I used Windows 3.0 on some machine or other (not mine) and thought that it was a big improvement on 2.0.
I then got my 486 (33MHz w/ 8mb ram) with windows 3.1 installed! Oh-My-God it was *so* good, people talk about the shortcomings, but they either didn't use win3.1 or didn't have powerful enough machines to appreciate it properly.
There were 1 million hacks available for win3.1 to do whatever you wanted (icons on the desktop etc.) and it was skinnable too.
The underlying technology didn't really matter to me, I still played my DOS games in DOS and ran windows when I wanted to do something like use Word - remember word 2 folks? It's almost the same as the current word that we use today - all the elements were in place and it took first place on my machine.
I played with a couple of linux distros around that time or just after (Slackware and a thing called mini-linux that I've never found any references to again). But they just couldn't compete for a desktop experience for me and they didn't run doom!
Nowadays I run mandrake linux on my pc and debian (knoppix) on my laptop because I feel it's time has come.
Look on those old windows shots with the pleasant nostalgia they are intended to invoke. Suppress the anti-M$ urge on this one!
Truly KFG, you chose the right analogy, but to the wrong conclusion. You presumed that hammers have not transformed suddenly, and this presumption lead you to conclude by similarity that current MMI will not undergo another shocking tranformation. The question depends upon whether you believe the MMI is in a state of stasis or flux - you vote for stasis? Consider your analogy to the hammer:
Think! Hammers haven't changed much since the days of Thor? Simply untrue!
Basic engineering has given you a far better hammer than your pre-historic and Roman-era ancestors. Materials science has given you a longer lasting hammer and a shock-resistant grip. Ergonomics have saved callusses on your palm. Hammers are no longer powered only by the muscle of your arms, but via chemical reactions, pneumatics, hydraulics, magnetics or springs. The "interface" is no longer only a bar of wood, but a simple release trigger, or sculpted plastic, and padded rubber. Moreover, hammers no longer pound target nails only through wood, but through metal and concrete as well.
Think. All of those advances in the art and science of hammering have occured during the last 100 years! From the perspective of the 6000 year recorded history of the hammer; the evolution of the hammer into the modern form was rather sudden - in archeological terms: a catastrophic revolution. Thor's prototypical hammer is now a shameful implement - long since been relegated to the bargain bin of history.
Will the WIMP metaphor eventually slide into disrepute? All that is required for advance is that we apply the new technologies that we develop or discover to the MMI. We needn't jump to science fiction and direct mind control or any such imaginings: speech interfaces will occur much sooner, as will true adaptive handwriting recognition, not to mention visual and socially cued interfaces. When one of these both reaches fruition and finally clicks with the public, we will have yet another revolution, which will be as profound as the one that brought us WIMP.
Will it occur in my lifetime, which is already over 3/4 done? No, but mark these words: those changes will come to fruition in the lifetime of a teener geek reading this. The revolution of a tool only ends when no-one asks "Will revolution happen anytime soon?", which is the necessary precursor to the demand, "I must change this." People are still asking, and thus change will continue.
Revolution isn't done with MMI yet.
Thanks for the data. From them, I can formulate Bill's Law:
It strikes me reading this that those poor IBM XT owners have nothing to reminisce about. The Tandy had kewl graphics and sound, Commodore users had Sid voice generation, and nobody dares say anything bad about the Amiga near a user. OTOH, they can probably still run all their old XT software. ;-)
Here's another error in the article regarding Windows 3.0:
That looks like a double oxymoron to me.
Somewhere in the archives I have a copy of Windows 1.04. If anybody has a 5 1/4" drive and a CGA card they're welcome to have a look and a laugh.
My Pentium 90 kicked the crap out of the poorly administered Sun stations at work. The Windows 3.1 for playgroups that they ran on some PC boxes was just a joke in comparison.
Windows has gotten better I can tolerate it at work now, but it still has the bad taste of very poor ancestry.
At work, we just found an unopened copy of Windows/286 for a Wang Computer, minimum requirements incredibly low! Of course, it was hidden behind the disk packs, tape reels, and 8 inch floppies
Sorry guys I just can't handle the load.
Yeah, it is supposed to be for the girl... =P sorry.
I got Windows 3.0 to run on high-resolution CGA graphics :-)
640x200x1
You can simulate the effect by wrapping bug screen and wax paper over your monitor and cranking the brightness up all the way.
(That's 'bug' as in insect, 'screen' as in window screen and 'window' as in a hole in the wall generally covered with glass)
One good source of information is to go back in your back issues of BYTE mag. circa 1981-83 (until the Apple Lisa came out). You do see that Bill's vision was to have a Multiplan-like UI, that nothing was really graphical.
Unless I'm mistaken (do realize it's been close to 20 years), things changed completely when Apple showed him their work for the Lisa and then the Macintosh. Only then did the microserfs go graphical.
It was not only M$ that did not grok the "graphical" thing: IBM's TopView was also essentially character-based.
But back to my main point: for more info on this, go to those used book stores, your uncle's/father's/older brother's collection of BYTE, Creative Computing and similar magazines of the early '80s and read through them. You'll be amazed what you'll find.
which could be very harmful
cut - save - crash
omg where's my work, it was there when I saved it
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
still worth thinking about exploding Iraqis though
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
http://24.90.119.142/win
Please don't hack into me, I haven't locked this box down yet, I'll keep the sytem up til early afternoon.
http://24.90.119.142/win
Please don't hack into this box. I haven't locked it down yet. I will keep this mirror up til early afternoon est. Thanks.
dumbass
http://www.oreilly.com/centers/windows/brochure/a
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
Unix is Unix
Linux is Unix-like
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
It would be interesting if there were a site like this which would also compare with alternate GUIs from the same period.
I know you really like M$ *a lot* for all the "benefits" they bring to us, all the "good" behaviour they have towards us, the "marvellous" soft they produce, and the "fair","ethical", and "legal" ways of doing things.. ;-)
Let's find a really hard loaded page and let them know we like them so much and send them "kisses" with your browsers. Any suggestion?
took em a while to copy...er...catch up
AT&T licensed Unix to OEMs and Microsoft decided to be one of them.
Bill was a Xenix evangelist, even putting it on the desks of the secretaries if the stories are true.
See here
and here
A Snippet of his 1996 speech at Unix Expo
One of the exciting things we're announcing today is that our commitment to the Internet and to building a state-of-the-art browser extends not only to Windows 95 and Windows NT, but also to 16-bit Windows and the Macintosh and to Unix. And so, working with some partners, we've created Internet Explorer 3.0, and that's our latest, with all the active control capabilities on several Unix platforms.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
a link by the way...o chure/it is.html
http://www.oreilly.com/centers/windows/br
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My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
http://24.90.119.142/win/
link will be up til early afternoon est
Any suggestions of a really overloaded page belonging to MS? I want to test their servers and their patience ;-)
Another fine example of why we should be able to moderate articles.
Granted, there have been some fabulously sucky versions of Windows out there, but I'd bet even money the fat virgin Linux slob who wrote that had little or no experience with any of them. Consider yourself modded -1 Flamebait.
Sure this will be modded down quickly, too, but at least the point is made somewhere, by somebody.
So when the revolution comes, do I have to wear stupid shoulder pads and roller blade eveywhere? Hackers GUI. Did anyone notice that in Hackers they would be using a MAC one minute and then it would suddenly kick into a C prompt. lol. Also, where can I get a kick ass, fully 3d GUI. Another question, I use a modem at home, can I navigate a fully 3 dimensional remote OS over my whopping 6KBPS? Questions about the future, help me out, ye olde Slashdotters
Anonymous Cowards - Oh God, How I hate you
What about the evil Yankistani terrorists who took the population of the 13 Colonies hostage and cruelly ambushed several liberation forces dispatched from fair Albion in order to declare "Independence" and violate the Government's just ban on murdering, raping, and displacing Natives to the west of hte Ohio River?:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Trust me, my friend, these things still happen. Maybe it doesnt happen to you, because you know what you're doing. But the folks I talk to with Bonzi Buddy, Gator, Comet Cursor, Download Accelerators etc etc etc. still nuke their systems from time to time.
What, me Tweet?
http://24.90.119.142/win/
i still have these archived, and they vary from
the list you have:
Windows 1.0 (0.65mb rar file)
Windows 1.01 (0.56mb rar file)
Windows 1.03 (0.91mb rar file)
Windows 1.04 (0.84mb rar file)
Windows 1.30 (1.02mb rar file)
Windows 2.0 (1.08mb rar file)
Windows 2.03 (1.32mb rar file)
Windows 2.1 286 (2 rars: 1.39mb and 0.42mb)
Windows 2.1 386 (2 rars: 1.39mb and 0.38mb)
Windows 2.11 (2 rars: 1.39mb and 0.66mb)
Windows 3.0 (4 rars: 3x1.39mb and 0.26mb)
Windows 3.1 (5 rars: 4x1.46mb and 0.84mb)
Windows 3.1 to 3.11 Ugrade (0.62mb rar file)
Windows 3.11 (7 rars: 6x1.39mb and 1.12mb)
and an unconfirmed beta, which i think is false,
but i'll list in anyways:
Windows 98 Lite Beta (0.36mb rar file)
I also have every MSDOS ever made, starting from
Microsoft DOS 1.10 all the way up to 7, and of
course QBasic 4.5
When I used Eudora at a job, I don't know how many email I ended like this:
:wq
-j
I forget what 8 was for.
The server apparently didn't like Slashdot whooping on it, so are there any mirrors?
Hehe, windows OS and apps sure have evolved! This is not the case with Legato Networker - it looked like crap 10 years ago and still looks like shite today. No wonder they are going out of business and put themselves up for sale.
Anyone seen a screenshot history for X? That would be more interesting than windows.
Yes!
Can somebody please put up a few mirror sites for this? I'm getting tired of seeing the message stating that the site can't handle the load.
It seems to me that Microsoft has been doing nothing but beating the same old, dead horse over and over again. Just adding enough bells and whistles and bloated features to keep the morons happy.
Remember the old phrase "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission"? Well, it seems Win2k just coded it. :P
http://www.fuckfrance.com/
http://www.boycottf
http://www.frogweenies.com/
http://ww
I have a Tandy 1000 SX. Yeah, I've used DeskMate. Nice music comp tools. ;) BTW, the 1000 makes a real sux0r Windows box, but you can run Windows 3.00a on the SX's HDD in real mode, and that lets you play Solitaire *g*
-uso.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
And when in the 1990's did the Amiga get a 256 color Workbench?
Until the AGA Amigas, 1200, and RTG GRX cards the Amiga's desktop was crap, unless you like bleeding eyes from interlaced NTSC/PAL video.
Also Rember that when PC were shipping with 25 Mhz 386s as standard, and 486s were hitting the market, Commodore released things like the 16 Mhz Amiga 600, with the 12 or 16Mhz 020. And when the 486 were standard CBM finally put out the 4000, 1200, and CDTV. And due to the funky case shape very little of the hardware was backwards compatible until the 4000T. The Amiga Ruled the 80s, but died due to incompetence.
And yes I still have my Amiga 3000T, and yes I still use it on occasion.
If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
How come nobody is commenting on how M$ ripped off the desktop metaphore from Apple/PARC-Xerox...
http://www.webster.com is your friend. They even have a way you can put a dictionary/thesaurus on your home page: http://www.m-w.com/tools/search/searchboxes.htm
;)
You can do the same thing with Google. I have both on my webpage. Isn't that simply rad?
The workstation crowd wern't even interested in the Amiga, the Mac or the P.C They were bitty boxes, all of them. You may as well go onto say that the supercomputer users were laughing at the workstation users, and the sun was laughing at the moon. Dipshit.
Did I say anything about the 90's or 00's? Did I? No, I didn't, so quit your whining. I bailed on the Amiga when Escom went belly up, and the current bunch of cowboys make OS/2 users look quaint. Fuck 'em.
Why does it matter if MS is marketing the OS to stupid people that have to buy every upgrade. The point is the same, and quite valid, the difference between, for example, 2000 Professional and XP Professional is minimal, and hardly worth the cost of upgrade. I don't know ANYONE that is actually dumb enough to go out and replace their existing 2k desktops with XP desktops. Of course the new purchases are XP, but the existing 2k desktops will stay as is until the PC's EOL comes about. And that just backs up the point, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two...
I have installed Windows NT 3.51 Server on one Digital Prioris PC with 16MB of RAM and 420MB hard disk in January 1996. After using MS-DOS, various flavor of UNIX, VAX/VMS, Univac Exec-8 on University I have been really excited to have robust, industrial strength OS on PC with fully integrated GUI. What a moment this was to be greeted with the message "Please press Ctrl-Alt-Del to log on". Windows NT had always what Linux will never have: consistency, uniformity, clean architecture, etc.
Why doesn't slashdot cache pages so that we can view the page referenced even when the slashdot victim goes down because of the load. I am sure the victims would be grateful to have the page cached and slashdot can clearly handle the load. gjm
Oh man... Yeah, My first x86 box was a Tandy 1000/TL for sure... It had the tandy-proprietary video (approximately EGA, but not exactly)... 8mhz 286 with the "slow.exe" program to make it run at 4.77mhz for compatibility with old, hard-clocked applications. 32mb MFM hard drive, DOS on ROM... 16540 UARTs that couldn't handle more than a 9600 baud modem, unless you threw an internal modem on with its own UART controller.
:)
:)
I actually furned my 1000/TL into a 28.8 BBS until the hard drive fried (about 4 months later)... Then I sold it for $40 (with a 14.4) to a kid who just wanted it to run Telix from floppy
What I remember the MOST though, is the monitor that came with that T1000/TL. Press the power button and watch EVERY light in the house dim, and the BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ of the capacitors MUST have given me a brain tumor. Good god, that thing used even more power than the 1988 Sun 19" monitor I *still* have and use
.... um, i lost you after "0110100001101001".
We dont need no stinking screenshotz!!!
Sierra Madre reference...
I run a school in Japan and have these installed and running as I speak... er type
English 3.1
Japanese 3.1
English 95
Japanese 95
English 98
Japanese 98
Japanese ME
English XP
Japanese XP
tadaaaaH An amalgam of the eclectic...
95 is the least stable
3.1 (on top of DOS) is a rock!!! It has been running on three machines without a hitch for over 10 years. NEVER reinstalled.
98 is much more stable than 95
XP appears daunting to reinstall, but has caused few problems yet.
Students can do work with all of the systems because I have the software for all this too... old stuff on old systems.... you know...
Anyone noticed that applications are getting worse?
BTW all versions are fully licensed. It is worth it.
The one with the triangular antenna I call "Abortion Head".
;)
(Mod me down to oblivion if you like)
-uso.
Dreams, dreams, don't doubt dreams, dreaming children's dreaming dreams. Sailor Moon SS
"Sorry guys I just can't handle the load. neowin.net"
*snicker*
rm -fr
Seems I remember that beaconing TR cards could bring any OS/Network to it's knees. Weak point of TR, 1 card could take the whole ring down.
Don't forget the long file names. Probably the most significant improvement in my mind, albeit it was somewhat kludged to run on top of DOS. (e.g. Micros~1)
You must be some perverse sort of die-hard MS fan or something because that's just odd. Were you running an emulator to test/develop stuff or were you really just running CE on your desktop?
... way to give it to the whippersnappers.
But dude, you accidently defended Window 1.0! Ouch!
-pyrrho
That's one of the oldest jokes I've heard on the net.
I should have known I wasn't the first to think of it. I like your formulation better, and will change it forthwith. Do you know who first said it? I'd like to give credit if I'm quoting somebody.
Yeah, My first x86 box was a Tandy 1000/TL for sure...
Speaking of which, wasn't the Tandy one of the few desktop computers to use the 80186?
where there's fish, there's cats
I had an Apple //gs in high school, and was using GS/OS for some of that work (a lot of the other stuff was in ProDOS). I still have manuals from the gs. I still have the gs, but need to find a 3.5" drive for it to get it working.
//gs screen shots in that manual. You can see how Apple sued Microsoft.
A couple of years ago I picked up an entire box for Windows 1.0 The screen shots are amazing when you compare it against the
I posted a picture of three manuals next to each other.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
This was my first x86 box, and also my last Tandy computer. I got into computers back when the TRS-80 Model 1 came out (I was only a few years old), and then sometime in like 1986 or so I convinced my Dad to buy for $20 a hacked-up Tandy CoCo 1, as-is, also at the Trenton Computer Show. Amazingly, it worked for awhile, but then it shorted itself out (I say hacked up, the guy before wired some connectors to the mainboard, which IMHO shorted some vital component but we never bothered to probe it further). Still got our $20 out of the thing, and I was psyched, my first color computer (what I wanted since the commodore came out, no more B&W TRS-80).
make world, not war
to go along with the screenshots, here is a list of codenames for various windows platforms, apps and technologies.
oh well. I hope they don't charge me for it, I'm still -$5.90 in my bank account.
oops
As usuall the slashdot effect hit the server. Here are the screenshots of Windows1.0 and here is Windows 2.0 and 3.0 is here.Enjoy and thanks.
http://saveie6.com/
Wow, just displaying screenshots of a win desktop can cause a machine to crash.
The website is gone... instead: The History of Microsoft Windows - By Alex D'Ambra 9-B - http://www.schools.ash.org.au/mcpcompdept/worksamp les/winhistory/compassign%20alexdambra.htm
Or the Google Cache (with links to pictures) - http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:IkNYB5Mvqt8C: www.schools.ash.org.au/mcpcompdept/worksamples/win history/compassign%2520alexdambra.htm+screenshot+w indows+1.0+3.1+95&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
That eMac hardly compares- Geforce 2mx? 128 Mb Ram - unthinkable, must be 512Mb minimum. Yes they are bluetooth and airport ready, and I know better than to try to compare G4 clock speeds with Athlon clock speeds, but I still dont think it is an option.
I must admit to not wanting to part with my monitor- any think I bought would have to be compatible(power macs?) - as it is a 21 inch SGI monitor.
I will admit to taking an interest in the Macs of late- but I am still put off by the price tags. Ebay searches show that Mac users are not easily parted, andstill turn out more expensive than the PC I built.
OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
I kid you not. I still get a blue-screen on my Dell P3 with win 2000 everytime I plug in my goddamn earphones! How weird is that???
PS: It worked semi-ok with win98.
NaveWeiss is 1337. I know you want him with you.
...fully pre-emptive MS-DOS multitasking
Yes, it's quite accurate. Win 3.x time-sliced DOS programs relatively well. It was the Windows programs that used shared multi-tasking, where a crashed app locked up your system.
Politas
"like the workstation crowd was laughing at you during the 80's, and the rest of the industry laughed at you in the 90's and 00's. So the Amiga had a cool gfx card once..."
... for ten times the money!
No - mostly they just slunk away, when they realised that they couldn't come close
For your info, the standard Amiga had up to 12Bit colour without a GFX card. DMA, with its OWN RAM for Sound, Vision and THE FLOPPY DRIVE CONTROL, was standard. Multitasking in 256k. Autoconfigure- TEN YEARS before Plug-n-Play!
"Where's my Amiga now?"
Why, right here connected to this Amiga Keyboard!
(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
Oh, I see the person mentioned that he uses a Mac and that he *thinks* that MS's DRM plan will screw up your computer.
Well, I guess that since everything else in the world is for Windows, you all have to have something to keep yourselves happy.
Another reason that may not be so obvious is that the Average Joe who's sitting at his computer when it suddenly reboots may assume that he bumped the reset button, or there was a power surge, etc... Better (for Microsoft) than the guy looking at a Blue Screen and blaming "*&%$#%'n Windows!!!"
MAC is something your ethernet card/router/insert-other-network-equipment-here has in it to uniquely identify it.
A Mac is short for "A Macintosh", a computer put out by Apple Corporation.
. o O ( yet another dumbass l33t script kiddi that stupid movie inspired. God save us all. )