Trivial is the firefox plugin that I install most often. It allows me to increase and decrease the font size with just a click (like konqueror, but better)
Autoscroll, is now included by default, but This was one that i installed on every firefox machine I found. It is so essential for people moving from a windows world without carpel tunnel syndrom, to the linux world.. who would like to keep their wrist tendons intact.
Radial Context buttons, are super neat, they are pretty non standard... but they are better than mouse gestures... which are also available as a plugin:)
menu compactor (I forget the name of this) I just plain don't use the bookmarks toolbar entry, the Tools, the Help, the Edit... occasionally.. and very rarely the file menu..
So I get back some screen space by compacting it into a single entry!
SVG... this feels like the future... flash without flash..
---- now for the browser plugins for which so many peopel were confused about...
mplayerplug-in isn't working with the nightly builds of firefox right now, but it is so sweet, i can't wait for the next version.
flash -- gotta have it
java -- gotta have it too
for the plugins, I symlink... er copy recently, the systems plugin foulders to/home/aaron/work/firefox/firefox/plugins
then expand the nighly tarball tar -xvvzf firefox-
I'm using it with GTK2 and xft. (anti aliased fonts baby!) They do provide a nighly build for this!!
at the time of this posting: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8a) Gecko/20040513 Firefox/0.8.0+ is the last semi-stable firefox for linux. (it crashes occasionally, but it's a nightly build!)
Oh, the Firefox 0.9 will have BEAutifull new icons. They are crisper than 0.8's
If You're not using firefox.. I'll look at you funny
1. set up a proxy server (or local cache) with a large hd. 2. set up a local repository for any linux distros that you expect people to install from, or other big projects 3. get a web enabled blue tooth telephone 4. have a script crawl the web for updates (new slashdot stories/etc) whenever the cell phone bandwidth isn't being utilized fully 5. it might be possible to "combine" multiple cell phones bandwidths together 6. you and somebody on your crew should already have all this stuff... but they will be without cell phone:(
*** also, call the telephone company in that area, a good 56k modem is plenty for many people and text + image compression (like aol and earthlink's accelerated internet)
If the software is easy to use, a user will not end up quitting when it "works", but is insecure..
I want my functionality, and When I'm tired after a day of research into how to do a basic function, I just get it working, and move on.
We need a "don't delete" permission by default on Linux, and a "don't change permissions" permission, so we can protect our config and system files from accidents...
Basically I'm saying: We have no time to worry about security because we are busy getting basic things working, and userfriendlyness and ease of use, come along with being more secure.
I'm having more problems just setting up Linux to do thing the way I want, that I don't have time to worry about security.
The software MUST get more user friendly so it can become more secure...
userfriendlyness is proportional to 1/time spent configuring and 1/time spent solving problem and 1/bugs and developer time spent studying users and number of sanely defaulted option boxes and time saving tools and 1/time saving tools that actually cost more time (like word completion implementation in Open Office (YECCH)) 1/security vulerabilties
(NPTL, foreign language support (haven't figured this out yet), multiple sounds at one time (artsd and artsdsp -m are my friends for that), desktop switching (startx --:1)... Multiple monitor support (xinerama)... J
and Back to the Future, any more media w/ big
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Marty Mcfly would blow up those speakers so quick
but then he might not be alive to go introduce his dad to his mom...
(I know it's corney to reply to my own message, I have have a theme going here)
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I seem to remember a scene in one of the Hitchikers Guide series in which a planet was sacrificed for the sake of driving a gargantuan set of speakers.
Almost exactly what I was thinking, except I think it's kinda cool instead of lame, and it's a happy sort of action.
I care so much about so many things, I don't have time to protest everything.
I can think of flashmobs as being a way to protest everything that's wrong, by doing something rip roaringly hillarious.
(this is all regarding the namestake for the computer, people organizing a bunch of people to merge and do wierd things like wear purple hats, or twirl arround)
nobody respoended to you flamingly, so your post is obviously not flame bait. Mod Parrent Up!
Our privacy is going away. I have no doubt about it, and I'm not actually all that worried about our privacy going away. I am worried about who has access to this combined information. I think we should all have access to it.
1. Because we all know that we do embarassing things.
2. People who cannot check the actions of their elected officials, are subject to as horrible a system as there ever was, We can do our own datamining and do our tests/queries to check them, If we are not allowed to, the government should not have the right to do such things.
3 There are some downsides to having no privacy, so we should only trade our privacy as there are other ways to protect our interestes...
in the case of voting, we could be blackmailed or coersed to vote a certain way. If we had a big enough group who are willing to fight to the death about an issue, the other group will probably see the opportunity cost as being too high, and will not force people to vote a certain way.
4. We can also deal with limited term privacy, we can have our elected officials encyrpt data in a fassion that it can be decrypted in a certain amount of time... this has problems as one groups attack method could reveal the information almost immediately... so that wouldn't work.. but the goverment could encrypt the data in two fassions, and release the hash of the data in one format, and the date that the data will key will be decryptable, then when the private key is released, we could decrypt the info, and perform the multiple has functions to verify that the data was what was acted upon.
We have no privacy.. that isn't neccissarily a bad thing
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Gentoo suffers from having too much documentation, that is not atomized.
yes the style sheets work, but a framework to have broken down websites,
something that I'm calling factodendrons (brokn and tree) stored into a database could allow reuse of data, and instant reformability of the web page..
see the bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42823
42823 enh P2 All NEW Separate architecture-specific instructions dynamically
If You're saying it will save us from the microsoft tax... and will provide a framework with the consistancy and automatic optimizability and easyness that will save us from the dependancy hell that we currently have to deal with...
Horrah for dot GNU... I'll look at it before I look at mono.
I'm still a bit sketched about C being in the name..
Note, I wasn't trying to advocate mono or.NET.. because I don't know first hand whats up with those libraries... I'm hoping to know though... and from preliminary propaganda, they look wonderfull.
The specifications are really quite nice...from what my friend said and the articles I read said...
You get faster compiles because you arn't linking to so many things... less duplication... easier to work on... less learning to have same capability,
easier to optimize a new platform... high level functions offer greater possibility for automatic optimization/ better error checking.... it's an early version... it's not ready for prime time... Mono might be the way of the future, Microsoft will NOT be the future.
1. There is also the problem that lots of spam filters check the To: From: addresses of the email... and increase it's spam rating dramatically if they don't match.
2. Yes, she can recieve her POP3 email from anywhere... and that's part of the problem, it makes it LOOK like she should also be able to send.
2. I'm saying that they should require a password, because we leave our internet connection on, and have multiple people using that account... and We don't want to "bless" the email sent from our machines by sending them all through a legit email server... because we might have a few nuts use their accounts for stupid thingss...
3. We want to be able to change the ISP that we dial up to, while keeping my mom's email address... This is illogical to me, but my mom was told to believe that something she pays for is worth more than free services... even if they don't do what they want it to do!
4. IMAP... she is using pop3. I could set her up with IMAP.. If she were using IMAP then web mail would work better for her, because she would be able to access her account from multiple readers and have the messages there. POP3 sucks when storing emails on the server.
5. I think I hit the "we don't have clueful people, or arn't willing to pass you along" ISP people.
6. I really was trying to be nice.. but after being shuffled arround on PBX and making repeated calls trying to get that cluefull person, and finally getting escalated to the "customer we don't want anymore" arse hole, THEN I started singing and doing juvenile things.
7. Now, KEEP EVERYONE AWAY FROM http://www.foxinternet.net THEY HAVE BURNT US, THEY WILL BURN YOU TOO.
8. I believe in saying bad things about people who are actively harming the innocent with false advertising and other autracities (spelling yadayada I know)
well, I did make a stink, I got very pissed off, to my discredit
1. but NO, I cannot change my mom's email
2. Yes, she could cut and paste, but she really doesn't want to do anything differently on her computer, and SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
2.5 ALSO, she keeps a record of all the email that she sends.. this is REQUIRED, webmail doesn't do that for her
3. The marketing people SAID that we could do this.
4. Web mail sucks
5. I definately acted like a teenager, but I had the restrictions of what I was allowed to do LIKE i was a teenager, and I was really pissed off.
I needed to do one thing, but all of the solutions were bared from me.
As it is, my mom switches the phone, disconnecting everyone from the net, which is way less than ideal.
6. My point still stands that SysAdmins that have charged for a service, should make it happen.. and not hide behind stupid excuses... maybe the software that would allow them to do what I needed was buggy... PUT IT ON A DIFFERENT MACHINE, AND USE SEPORATE PASSWORDS or whatnot...
7. security IS more important that features in most cases, except for when the feature is really really needed.
8. Why is this standard practice? I can log into my moms account and send email as her as it is! This is WRONG... (It might require a packet sniffer)
9. They should allow us to secure our network, they just passed the insecurity on to us! My mom shouldn't have to trust me for her username and password, neither should my dad, That's why we use logins! (well actual reason is to keep our profiles seporate.. but when I run my teenage pr0n illustrated howto for setting up secure smtp.. I don't want my mom to be able to browse my home directory;)
10. I've met other sysadmins that DON'T WORK WITH THE CLIENT I have a need, I say I want to do SOMETHING LIKE this, how do we do this..
AND THAT IS BEING PASSED OFF AS A "BAD QUESTION" ???
The sys admin should not be banging vis head against the desk because of the stupididy of vis clients, the sysadmin bangs vis head because of VIS OWN STUPIDITY...
EVEN WHEN IT's: Gee, why did my coffee holder retract splling coffee all over my machine?
I can't say that I'd really blame the sys admin for that one...
UNLESS THE SYSADMIN DOESN'T KNOW WHO VE IS SERVING, AND TAYLORS VIS SERVICE FOR THOSE PEOPLE!
I agree that we need to steer clear of open relays...
but that is what encryption and authentication is for!
She can't use my dad's email account over dial-up for multiple reasons: We don't know my dad's password.
Also, the stupid folks at FOX INTERNET must be running an open relay of sorts if their only method of keeping a spammer from relaying email is to only accept connections from their dial up server...
That is just about as insecure!
Dial up passwords should not be the same as the mail server passwords!
and thier customers probably get hacked plenty easily and start sending email.
Why not SMTP server of who I'm connected with? I don't have the password! and it's my dad's account!
Actually.. I haven't tried it yet... hehe.. but that would be an open relay because untrusted people can send mail over it;O
note: we have one computer connect to the net automatically... for multiple accounts and users... these users should not be trusted by the currently connected ISP.. unless a password is supplied.
SysAdmins that are non technical, or are lying cheeting bastards like FOX INTERNET (www.foxinternet.net) talking to a technical person, treating the technical person like they are not a technical person... Really boils my blood..
===Story:===
---background/ attempted solution--- nowadays some idiots put up spam blockers that block mail from peoples own web servers... so we can't run our own mail servers without having problems galore...
Well, enter my mom, who was suckered into prepaying for 3 years dial up internet, and my dad who believes that one should pay for their email accounts to ensure operability... and her email costs $$/hour after the initial time is used up!
My dad has multiple, full time ISP accounts. So I set up a computer to do internet connection sharing with those, and dial out whenever it's needed. Saves mom having to dial out on her laptop.. right???
WRONG!!
Fox Internet (foxinternet.net) didn't let her send mail from her account while dialed up to a different ISP... With the encrypted login! no less!
So I call tech support, They say it can't be done, that we MUST send email from their dial up connection..
Call marketing: yeah, that should be possible,
Call tech support, so, we need to send email...
It can't be done... escallation hi, can you hook us up with some form of authentication so that my mom can send email from her computer wherever?
It can't be done..
I have a howto right in front of me. please enable it
that would be opening our networks to attack
ARRGGGE@!!! Set up some sort of SSH thingie! my mom has Outlook Express, and I'm not switching her to your web mail, because it's not IMAP and so she won't be able to reply to emails that she has already recieved and downloaded...
it can't be done.. eventually
we arn't going to do it, it's against our policy
is your policy to screw your customer?
no, we can't have spam stuff
lets arrange for a refund
Broohahahahaha
So you want people to go arround singing "Fox Internet Sux Fox INternet SUX"
that's being childish
you not providing the service promised to your customers is childish, I'm being musical, and talking directly to you rather than telling the world the " Fox Internet Sux... Fox Internet SUUUuuxx"
Apple charges like $40 for their designer mice, (or basically (I'm guessing) add it to the cost of theier box) now they only cost 50 cents to make because they didn't hire anybody to design them...
steve just said in brilliance: The mouse will make us money! here, make it this shape, and handed it off the the manufacturing plant who ground out the turd that steve game them and made a mold.
And they decided to continue with one mouse button for a similar reason (getting to that here.. hold on)
They own the 3rd party mice manufacturers! or have a deal with microsoft!
lets see... every stinking mac comes with a worthless mouse that they added a lot of money to the price tag for... and! everyone needs to buy another one because it's useless!
(yes it is useless, I've tried using the mice our college book store for hours, I can't hold paper and work at the same time, or scratch and read, or even scroll the stupid window with one mouse button... (it's jerky to click on the button repeatedly)
Slashdot Mirror
I was expecting to see lots of jokes about them being slashdotted. Oh well.
... only human.
When it comes down to it...
They're still...
..and I love the fact they they hostted the M$ site on Linux.
Trivial is the firefox plugin that I install most often. It allows me to increase and decrease the font size with just a click (like konqueror, but better)
Autoscroll, is now included by default, but This was one that i installed on every firefox machine I found. It is so essential for people moving from a windows world without carpel tunnel syndrom, to the linux world.. who would like to keep their wrist tendons intact.
Radial Context buttons, are super neat, they are pretty non standard... but they are better than mouse gestures... which are also available as a plugin
menu compactor (I forget the name of this) I just plain don't use the bookmarks toolbar entry, the Tools, the Help, the Edit... occasionally.. and very rarely the file menu..
So I get back some screen space by compacting it into a single entry!
SVG... this feels like the future... flash without flash..
----
now for the browser plugins for which so many peopel were confused about...
mplayerplug-in isn't working with the nightly builds of firefox right now, but it is so sweet, i can't wait for the next version.
flash -- gotta have it
java -- gotta have it too
for the plugins, I symlink... er copy recently, the systems plugin foulders to
then expand the nighly tarball
tar -xvvzf firefox-
I'm using it with GTK2 and xft. (anti aliased fonts baby!) They do provide a nighly build for this!!
at the time of this posting:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8a) Gecko/20040513 Firefox/0.8.0+
is the last semi-stable firefox for linux. (it crashes occasionally, but it's a nightly build!)
Oh, the Firefox 0.9 will have BEAutifull new icons. They are crisper than 0.8's
If You're not using firefox.. I'll look at you funny
1. set up a proxy server (or local cache) with a large hd. :(
2. set up a local repository for any linux distros that you expect people to install from, or other big projects
3. get a web enabled blue tooth telephone
4. have a script crawl the web for updates (new slashdot stories/etc) whenever the cell phone bandwidth isn't being utilized fully
5. it might be possible to "combine" multiple cell phones bandwidths together
6. you and somebody on your crew should already have all this stuff... but they will be without cell phone
***
also, call the telephone company in that area, a good 56k modem is plenty for many people and text + image compression (like aol and earthlink's accelerated internet)
If the software is easy to use, a user will not end up quitting when it "works", but is insecure..
:1)... Multiple monitor support (xinerama)... J
I want my functionality, and When I'm tired after a day of research into how to do a basic function, I just get it working, and move on.
We need a "don't delete" permission by default on Linux, and a "don't change permissions" permission, so we can protect our config and system files from accidents...
Basically I'm saying:
We have no time to worry about security because we are busy getting basic things working, and userfriendlyness and ease of use, come along with being more secure.
I'm having more problems just setting up Linux to do thing the way I want, that I don't have time to worry about security.
The software MUST get more user friendly so it can become more secure...
userfriendlyness is proportional to 1/time spent configuring and 1/time spent solving problem and 1/bugs and developer time spent studying users and number of sanely defaulted option boxes and time saving tools and 1/time saving tools that actually cost more time (like word completion implementation in Open Office (YECCH)) 1/security vulerabilties
(NPTL, foreign language support (haven't figured this out yet), multiple sounds at one time (artsd and artsdsp -m are my friends for that), desktop switching (startx --
Marty Mcfly would blow up those speakers so quick
but then he might not be alive to go introduce his dad to his mom...
(I know it's corney to reply to my own message, I have have a theme going here)
I seem to remember a scene in one of the Hitchikers Guide series in which a planet was sacrificed for the sake of driving a gargantuan set of speakers.
I pitty his neighbors
Almost exactly what I was thinking, except I think it's kinda cool instead of lame, and it's a happy sort of action.
I care so much about so many things, I don't have time to protest everything.
I can think of flashmobs as being a way to protest everything that's wrong, by doing something rip roaringly hillarious.
(this is all regarding the namestake for the computer, people organizing a bunch of people to merge and do wierd things like wear purple hats, or twirl arround)
nobody respoended to you flamingly, so your post is obviously not flame bait. Mod Parrent Up!
Our privacy is going away. I have no doubt about it, and I'm not actually all that worried about our privacy going away. I am worried about who has access to this combined information. I think we should all have access to it.
1. Because we all know that we do embarassing things.
2. People who cannot check the actions of their elected officials, are subject to as horrible a system as there ever was, We can do our own datamining and do our tests/queries to check them, If we are not allowed to, the government should not have the right to do such things.
3 There are some downsides to having no privacy, so we should only trade our privacy as there are other ways to protect our interestes...
in the case of voting, we could be blackmailed or coersed to vote a certain way. If we had a big enough group who are willing to fight to the death about an issue, the other group will probably see the opportunity cost as being too high, and will not force people to vote a certain way.
4. We can also deal with limited term privacy, we can have our elected officials encyrpt data in a fassion that it can be decrypted in a certain amount of time... this has problems as one groups attack method could reveal the information almost immediately... so that wouldn't work.. but the goverment could encrypt the data in two fassions, and release the hash of the data in one format, and the date that the data will key will be decryptable, then when the private key is released, we could decrypt the info, and perform the multiple has functions to verify that the data was what was acted upon.
We have no privacy.. that isn't neccissarily a bad thing
Gentoo suffers from having too much documentation, that is not atomized.
yes the style sheets work, but a framework to have broken down websites,
something that I'm calling factodendrons
(brokn and tree)
stored into a database could allow reuse of data, and instant reformability of the web page..
see the bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42823
42823 enh P2 All NEW Separate architecture-specific instructions dynamically
I agree that the graphic/text could be more clear.
boot is way more correct than "start installation"
because he isn't installing untill a later step.
I suggest: boot into installation program
or: have a comment that says what will happen after boot.
The hard drive partitioning also looks like it needs work.
I appreciate this article, I didn't see the issues that I had with woody dealt with. (reiserfs, and other things) but it might have been skipped.
I'm going to take dot.gnu more seriously.
.NET.. because I don't know first hand whats up with those libraries... I'm hoping to know though... and from preliminary propaganda, they look wonderfull.
If You're saying it will save us from the microsoft tax... and will provide a framework with the consistancy and automatic optimizability and easyness that will save us from the dependancy hell that we currently have to deal with...
Horrah for dot GNU... I'll look at it before I look at mono.
I'm still a bit sketched about C being in the name..
Note, I wasn't trying to advocate mono or
The specifications are really quite nice...from what my friend said and the articles I read said...
... it's an early version... it's not ready for prime time... Mono might be the way of the future, Microsoft will NOT be the future.
You get faster compiles because you arn't linking to so many things... less duplication... easier to work on... less learning to have same capability,
easier to optimize a new platform... high level functions offer greater possibility for automatic optimization/ better error checking.
There are python bindings for kde, as well as many others.
if it's wired wrong, there could be a fun fire in the process!
=)
http://www.subverted.net/wakka/wakka.php?wakka=Cas eStudies
hehe... I think I've got the format memorized for the wiki address... www.subverted.net will get you to it if I goofed up.
Hydrogen is pretty darn safe.
The baloon caused the problems on the Hindenberg!
The witnesses reported a colorfull fireball.. that color was from the paint/balloon!!! They made the skin out of a super flamable material!
Passing out.... use google to verify
What company owns:
... marketed to an evil extent)
Block Buster Video (The Home of the famous lying video check in time)
Sponge Bob Square Pants (pretty funny, but
and
Nickelodeon -- Attention Span Destroying / Ugly graphics / Warp your kids channel
I don't like Viacom.. almost as much as I dislike Fox Internet (www.foxineternet.net)... well actually a lot more... but Clear Channel feels worse...
Don't let Viacom charge excessive rates! Drop em, Screw em... let them lower their rates.
1. There is also the problem that lots of spam filters check the To: From: addresses of the email... and increase it's spam rating dramatically if they don't match.
2. Yes, she can recieve her POP3 email from anywhere... and that's part of the problem, it makes it LOOK like she should also be able to send.
2. I'm saying that they should require a password, because we leave our internet connection on, and have multiple people using that account... and We don't want to "bless" the email sent from our machines by sending them all through a legit email server... because we might have a few nuts use their accounts for stupid thingss...
3. We want to be able to change the ISP that we dial up to, while keeping my mom's email address... This is illogical to me, but my mom was told to believe that something she pays for is worth more than free services... even if they don't do what they want it to do!
4. IMAP... she is using pop3. I could set her up with IMAP.. If she were using IMAP then web mail would work better for her, because she would be able to access her account from multiple readers and have the messages there.
POP3 sucks when storing emails on the server.
5. I think I hit the "we don't have clueful people, or arn't willing to pass you along" ISP people.
6. I really was trying to be nice.. but after being shuffled arround on PBX and making repeated calls trying to get that cluefull person, and finally getting escalated to the "customer we don't want anymore" arse hole, THEN I started singing and doing juvenile things.
7. Now, KEEP EVERYONE AWAY FROM http://www.foxinternet.net
THEY HAVE BURNT US, THEY WILL BURN YOU TOO.
8. I believe in saying bad things about people who are actively harming the innocent with false advertising and other autracities (spelling yadayada I know)
well, I did make a stink,
;)
I got very pissed off, to my discredit
1.
but NO, I cannot change my mom's email
2.
Yes, she could cut and paste, but she really doesn't want to do anything differently on her computer, and SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
2.5 ALSO, she keeps a record of all the email that she sends.. this is REQUIRED, webmail doesn't do that for her
3.
The marketing people SAID that we could do this.
4. Web mail sucks
5. I definately acted like a teenager, but I had the restrictions of what I was allowed to do LIKE i was a teenager, and I was really pissed off.
I needed to do one thing, but all of the solutions were bared from me.
As it is, my mom switches the phone, disconnecting everyone from the net, which is way less than ideal.
6. My point still stands that SysAdmins that have charged for a service, should make it happen.. and not hide behind stupid excuses... maybe the software that would allow them to do what I needed was buggy... PUT IT ON A DIFFERENT MACHINE, AND USE SEPORATE PASSWORDS or whatnot...
7. security IS more important that features in most cases, except for when the feature is really really needed.
8. Why is this standard practice? I can log into my moms account and send email as her as it is! This is WRONG... (It might require a packet sniffer)
9. They should allow us to secure our network, they just passed the insecurity on to us!
My mom shouldn't have to trust me for her username and password, neither should my dad, That's why we use logins! (well actual reason is to keep our profiles seporate.. but when I run my teenage pr0n illustrated howto for setting up secure smtp.. I don't want my mom to be able to browse my home directory
10. I've met other sysadmins that DON'T WORK WITH THE CLIENT
I have a need, I say I want to do SOMETHING LIKE this, how do we do this..
AND THAT IS BEING PASSED OFF AS A "BAD QUESTION" ???
The sys admin should not be banging vis head against the desk because of the stupididy of vis clients, the sysadmin bangs vis head because of VIS OWN STUPIDITY...
EVEN WHEN IT's:
Gee, why did my coffee holder retract splling coffee all over my machine?
I can't say that I'd really blame the sys admin for that one...
UNLESS THE SYSADMIN DOESN'T KNOW WHO VE IS SERVING, AND TAYLORS VIS SERVICE FOR THOSE PEOPLE!
I agree that we need to steer clear of open relays...
;O
but that is what encryption and authentication is for!
She can't use my dad's email account over dial-up for multiple reasons:
We don't know my dad's password.
Also, the stupid folks at FOX INTERNET must be running an open relay of sorts if their only method of keeping a spammer from relaying email is to only accept connections from their dial up server...
That is just about as insecure!
Dial up passwords should not be the same as the mail server passwords!
and thier customers probably get hacked plenty easily and start sending email.
Why not SMTP server of who I'm connected with?
I don't have the password!
and it's my dad's account!
Actually.. I haven't tried it yet... hehe.. but that would be an open relay because untrusted people can send mail over it
note: we have one computer connect to the net automatically... for multiple accounts and users... these users should not be trusted by the currently connected ISP.. unless a password is supplied.
She doesn't have a mail account on the ISP that we dial into... My dad does... but we don't want my mom's email mixed in with my dads.
I was asking for it to be done with encrypted authentication, or a VPN...
SysAdmins that are non technical, or are lying cheeting bastards like FOX INTERNET (www.foxinternet.net) talking to a technical person, treating the technical person like they are not a technical person... Really boils my blood..
...
.. eventually
===Story:===
---background/ attempted solution---
nowadays some idiots put up spam blockers that block mail from peoples own web servers... so we can't run our own mail servers without having problems galore...
Well, enter my mom, who was suckered into prepaying for 3 years dial up internet, and my dad who believes that one should pay for their email accounts to ensure operability... and her email costs $$/hour after the initial time is used up!
My dad has multiple, full time ISP accounts. So I set up a computer to do internet connection sharing with those, and dial out whenever it's needed. Saves mom having to dial out on her laptop.. right???
WRONG!!
Fox Internet (foxinternet.net) didn't let her send mail from her account while dialed up to a different ISP... With the encrypted login! no less!
So I call tech support, They say it can't be done, that we MUST send email from their dial up connection..
Call marketing: yeah, that should be possible,
Call tech support, so, we need to send email...
It can't be done
escallation
hi, can you hook us up with some form of authentication so that my mom can send email from her computer wherever?
It can't be done..
I have a howto right in front of me.
please enable it
that would be opening our networks to attack
ARRGGGE@!!! Set up some sort of SSH thingie! my mom has Outlook Express, and I'm not switching her to your web mail, because it's not IMAP and so she won't be able to reply to emails that she has already recieved and downloaded...
it can't be done
we arn't going to do it, it's against our policy
is your policy to screw your customer?
no, we can't have spam stuff
lets arrange for a refund
Broohahahahaha
So you want people to go arround singing "Fox Internet Sux Fox INternet SUX"
that's being childish
you not providing the service promised to your customers is childish, I'm being musical, and talking directly to you rather than telling the world the " Fox Internet Sux... Fox Internet SUUUuuxx"
click.
Call tech support
You can get one of those mini dvd players for under $200 bucks...
with like a 3 inch screen?
They play svcd/mp3 et all...
but I think divx would cost a bit more..
I figured out how this works...
as I get TONS of spam... maybe 700 or so per legit email (joking)...
and I save a few of them...
all that the computer would have to do is delete all of them to achieve a higher accuracy rate!
of course that could also be considered a 100 percent failure rate.. but
Oh man... I just figured it out!
.. hold on)
Apple charges like $40 for their designer mice, (or basically (I'm guessing) add it to the cost of theier box) now they only cost 50 cents to make because they didn't hire anybody to design them...
steve just said in brilliance:
The mouse will make us money! here, make it this shape, and handed it off the the manufacturing plant who ground out the turd that steve game them and made a mold.
And they decided to continue with one mouse button for a similar reason (getting to that here
They own the 3rd party mice manufacturers! or have a deal with microsoft!
lets see... every stinking mac comes with a worthless mouse that they added a lot of money to the price tag for... and! everyone needs to buy another one because it's useless!
(yes it is useless, I've tried using the mice our college book store for hours, I can't hold paper and work at the same time, or scratch and read, or even scroll the stupid window with one mouse button... (it's jerky to click on the button repeatedly)