Yes, growing up is an excellent alternative, which government schooling tries to retard as much as possible. They reward docility, and penalize initiative and independence.
True, and this is where family members (immediate or extended), friends, clergy, and others can help a child learn the self-direction and discipline to learn on his own.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to mention that conscription children into starter prison isn't the only conceivable way to achieve the ostensible goals in question.
Because unguided independent study by an uneducated person doesn't work for the overwhelming majority of people.
When you make a claim like that, the burden of proof is yours. Give it your best shot.
Or are you asserting that you could lock an illiterate 5 year old in a room by themselves and nothing but unorganized printed material and they'd walk out literate shortly thereafter?
How in the world could you imagine my position to be anything of the kind? it's the statists who want to lock people up, not me.
I can understand how kids would feel awful at school and fine at home.
Hear, hear!
I'm convinced that forcing children to sit and pay attention for hours on end is a lousy way to teach them anything at all. Kids are naturally curious, but schooling makes far too many of them hate learning.
You say that like it's a bad thing. People take factory jobs in China for the same reason that they take any job anywhere else in the world: it beats the alternatives. If Apple pulled out of China, that's a couple hundred thousand people out of work. If the rest of the global electronics industry did likewise, we're talking tens of millions.
Perhaps you should take a moment to google "comparative advantage". Then, maybe you should look into how manufacturing is raising the standard of living in China, just like it did here when we went through the industrial revolution.
That reminds me of one man I know who attended the University of Maryland, and got a computer science degree. He was from Hungary, and at the time, anyone shipping so much as a Z80 to Hungary was looking at hard time. This guy could have built a VAX from TTL parts from memory, and our brilliant government wanted to send him and his skills back behind the iron curtain.
There was also Obama's refusal to waive the Jones act due to union pressure, and many other examples of federal idiocy getting in the way of the cleanup. Not to mention, the blatantly illegal attempts to keep the press from getting photos and video of the damage and the cleanup efforts.
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he's one of those posters that makes me wish Slashdot had an "ignore" list, but seriously, that's the best you have?
What, you need automated assistance to ignore someone? Sucks to be you, eh?
-jcr
Had you spent your time in Information Technology 101 class better,
Oh, this should be fun...
you'd have know you don't need to sign or initial posts
Who says I need to? I do so because I want to, and I've been doing it on /. for a lot longer than you've been around, newb.
it irritates the fuck out of us.
Perhaps someday, you might grow up and learn that other people don't have to obey your desires. Try to work it out in therapy.
-jcr
You have demonstrated a frustrating argument style
I'm not here to comply with your wishes, sunshine.
-jcr
Yes, growing up is an excellent alternative, which government schooling tries to retard as much as possible. They reward docility, and penalize initiative and independence.
-jcr
True, and this is where family members (immediate or extended), friends, clergy, and others can help a child learn the self-direction and discipline to learn on his own.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to mention that conscription children into starter prison isn't the only conceivable way to achieve the ostensible goals in question.
-jcr
Bullshit. You know exactly what he means.
You're accusing me of being a mind-reader?
you were too frickin' stupid to stay in school.
I stayed for the required twelve years. Knowing what I know now, I can see all kinds of ways that I could have put that time to better use.
-jcr
all those other ways also generate a large number of completely uneducated people that you don't get by the current system.
Our current system certainly does generate a large number of completely uneducated people. I encounter them every day.
-jcr
Because unguided independent study by an uneducated person doesn't work for the overwhelming majority of people.
When you make a claim like that, the burden of proof is yours. Give it your best shot.
Or are you asserting that you could lock an illiterate 5 year old in a room by themselves and nothing but unorganized printed material and they'd walk out literate shortly thereafter?
How in the world could you imagine my position to be anything of the kind? it's the statists who want to lock people up, not me.
I won't bother with the rest of your straw men.
-jcr
Why are you convinced that schooling is the only way that someone can obtain an education?
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>School is bad, but better than the alternative.
Since you don't specify what "alternative" you're alluding to, your statement above is meaningless.
-jcr
The goal is free slave labor.
Nope. We gave up on slave labor because it didn't work out economically.
-jcr
I can understand how kids would feel awful at school and fine at home.
Hear, hear!
I'm convinced that forcing children to sit and pay attention for hours on end is a lousy way to teach them anything at all. Kids are naturally curious, but schooling makes far too many of them hate learning.
-jcr
That's why we manufacture in China.
You say that like it's a bad thing. People take factory jobs in China for the same reason that they take any job anywhere else in the world: it beats the alternatives. If Apple pulled out of China, that's a couple hundred thousand people out of work. If the rest of the global electronics industry did likewise, we're talking tens of millions.
Perhaps you should take a moment to google "comparative advantage". Then, maybe you should look into how manufacturing is raising the standard of living in China, just like it did here when we went through the industrial revolution.
-jcr
lyThey've had notorious faulty electrical systems for decades.
-jcr
a Libertarian government will also leave BP alone...
Yeah, a Libertarian government wouldn't cap their liabilities at all. They'd be out of business.
-jcr
That reminds me of one man I know who attended the University of Maryland, and got a computer science degree. He was from Hungary, and at the time, anyone shipping so much as a Z80 to Hungary was looking at hard time. This guy could have built a VAX from TTL parts from memory, and our brilliant government wanted to send him and his skills back behind the iron curtain.
-jcr
I hope you realize that the survey you linked to is not a random sampling of Mac owners.
-jcr
That shows that he's left the company. It says nothing about the terms on which he left.
-jcr
This is one typical example: Coast Guard halts Jindal's DIY Gulf of Mexico oil spill cleanup crew.
There was also Obama's refusal to waive the Jones act due to union pressure, and many other examples of federal idiocy getting in the way of the cleanup. Not to mention, the blatantly illegal attempts to keep the press from getting photos and video of the damage and the cleanup efforts.
-jcr
You forgot to tick the 'post anonymously' button.
No, I forgot to log in when I posted the first one.
You fucking retard.
Right back at you, kid.
>Macs have a failure rate, according to Consumer Reports, of 19% per year.
[citation needed]. How is Consumer Reports obtaining their figures?
If you want to believe that Macs are more reliable, I can't stop you.
No you can't, because my first-hand experience contradicts your position.
-jcr
a libertarian govt will also leave me alone when BP is planning on drilling near my home.
How do you feel about the way your federal government interfered with local efforts to cope with the spill?
-jcr
The shocking truth is that JFK (not the myth, the reality) makes McCain look like a liberal.
Yeah, people tend to ignore the fact that he was a cold war hawk who was murdered by a commie.
-jcr
That presumption holds unless and until the courts, and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court, say otherwise.
Not according to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, or the promises that the Federalists themselves made at the Virginia ratifying convention.
-jcr
An arraignment is a formal reading of the charges.
At which time, you are charged with the crime. Until the arraignment, if you are in custody, you are under arrest but you are not yet charged.
-jcr