No, it's a smoking gun to anyone who can read English, and you're not going to change that by working yourself into a lather over it. The Hockey Team aren't scientists anymore. They abandoned science when they decided to cook the books.
I care more about the peer-reviewed science journals, than the harpy screeching of "armchair experts".
You really love that "screeching harpy" phrase, don't you? Project much?
One key issue from the leaked e-mail is that the Hockey Team discusses how to marginalize those who disagreedwith them, thus corrupting the peer review process.
Didn't even fucking read it, did you? It's a smoking gun, and it's not the only one. There is e-mail where Jones states his intention to commit a crime and delete the temperature data rather than turn it over pursuant to a FOIA request as required by British law. Show me the "context" that justifies that, you pathetic asshole.
Look, I'm sorry that your religion turns out to be bullshit, but that doesn't excuse you behaving like a scientologist.
If there is evidence of the books being cooked, then present that evidence.
Go check ESR's notes on what he's found in the code.
What really galls me is that the screeching harpies declare themselves to be "skeptics"
Funny, what really galls me is people like you claiming that "the science is settled" and pretending that those of us who disagree are equivalent to holocaust deniers.
A successful marketing operation is one that conveys information both ways, between the customers and the developers. If it's only about "how do we sell what we've got?" instead of "what exactly should we be offering?", then it's a waste of time.
Maybe they tossed it, maybe they lost it, but there is at least one e-mail where a member of the hockey team states his intention to delete it instead of handing it over.
Humans may or may not be contributing to global warming. The problem at hand is that those on one side of the issue have been caught cooking the books. If you believe that AGW is a clear and present danger, you should be at the front of a torchlight parade to lynch the Hockey Team.
If you could stop foaming at the mouth for a couple of minutes and RTFA, you'll find out that the issue at hand is that the East Anglia CRU says they've lost the temperature data on which their predictions are based.
Regardless if global warming is a problem, we should ALL strive to lessen our effect on the environment.
I'm with you on that. Of course, the best thing we can do for the environment is to get as many people as possible out of subsistence farming, which is tremendously destructive. We don't slash-and-burn in the industrialized countries.
I'm a software developer. In my experience, "IT" is a term used by non-engineers as a catch-all for "that which my English degree failed to equip me to understand". Kind of like when they say "microchip".
I was a draftsman too, for several summers when I was in high school. Back a few years ago when we were hearing all the hype about Go PenPoint and other "pen-based computing", I concluded that I couldn't get excited about pen based computing on a display that was smaller than a "D" sheet (17"x22").
Besides the displays though, we really need some improvements in UI for CAD systems. Autocad is wretched. Google SketchUp is moving in the right direction, but it's still got quite a ways to go before I'd prefer it over a drafting table.
My laptop is set for 100% brightness when connected to the charger, and 75% when it's on the battery. I dim it down to about 50% or so if I'm in a dark room.
You're sad that none of the Presidential candidates wanted to play Russian roulette with the American/World economy?
No, I'm disappointed that neither of them recognized that keeping failed businesses afloat only compounds the problems. Try to keep up, will you?
The only effective deterrent to the kind of risky behavior that buried Lehman, and SHOULD have buried Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is the fear of financial ruin. When the government steps in and gives them hundreds of billions of our money that they didn't earn, it's pretty damned stupid to expect them to clean up their act.
Capitalism is a profit AND LOSS system. When companies are insulated from their losses, why in the world would they change their ways?
You know, maybe you should learn a little about capital markets before making ideological judgments on issues.
Gee, what would you like to teach me about capital markets? I worked on Wall Street and at the Chicago board of trade for several years, building back-office systems for trading operations at JP Morgan, Phibro energy, Salomon brothers, and UBS/Warburg.
The big irony there is that Craigslist sucks, and apears to have no intention of improving.
Tell me about it!
I know the woman who put Craig Newmark on the map, and she's told me how he basically dragged his feet on every change they ever made. Talk about an accidental millionaire..
Rubbish yourself, the "scientists" at CRU were clearly "pushing for" a pro-AGW outcome.
They certainly were, and it seems to me that the people who should be most upset at what they were doing is their own side. If your cause is correct, it doesn't help you to have anyone cooking the books or trying to suppress publication by dissenters.
No, it's called Greenland because at the time, it was green. Eric the Red found Greenland at a time when agriculture was viable there. He didn't have some devious motive to convince his countrymen to try to settle a frozen wasteland.
To be precise, their costs are killing them, because they can't compete with superior alternatives like Craigslist and other online advertising services.
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No, it's a smoking gun to anyone who can read English, and you're not going to change that by working yourself into a lather over it. The Hockey Team aren't scientists anymore. They abandoned science when they decided to cook the books.
-jcr
I care more about the peer-reviewed science journals, than the harpy screeching of "armchair experts".
You really love that "screeching harpy" phrase, don't you? Project much?
One key issue from the leaked e-mail is that the Hockey Team discusses how to marginalize those who disagreedwith them, thus corrupting the peer review process.
-jcr
Didn't even fucking read it, did you? It's a smoking gun, and it's not the only one. There is e-mail where Jones states his intention to commit a crime and delete the temperature data rather than turn it over pursuant to a FOIA request as required by British law. Show me the "context" that justifies that, you pathetic asshole.
Look, I'm sorry that your religion turns out to be bullshit, but that doesn't excuse you behaving like a scientologist.
-jcr
If there is evidence of the books being cooked, then present that evidence.
Go check ESR's notes on what he's found in the code.
What really galls me is that the screeching harpies declare themselves to be "skeptics"
Funny, what really galls me is people like you claiming that "the science is settled" and pretending that those of us who disagree are equivalent to holocaust deniers.
-jcr
I'd call them "former scientists", and that's being generous. Once they decided to cook the books, they became politicians.
-jcr
How in the world do you come to that conclusion?
India went from being a food importer, to being a major exporter by abandoning government control of agriculture.
-jcr
A successful marketing operation is one that conveys information both ways, between the customers and the developers. If it's only about "how do we sell what we've got?" instead of "what exactly should we be offering?", then it's a waste of time.
-jcr
Maybe they tossed it, maybe they lost it, but there is at least one e-mail where a member of the hockey team states his intention to delete it instead of handing it over.
-jcr
Humans may or may not be contributing to global warming. The problem at hand is that those on one side of the issue have been caught cooking the books. If you believe that AGW is a clear and present danger, you should be at the front of a torchlight parade to lynch the Hockey Team.
-jcr
Denier still know what data is defined as right ?
If you could stop foaming at the mouth for a couple of minutes and RTFA, you'll find out that the issue at hand is that the East Anglia CRU says they've lost the temperature data on which their predictions are based.
-jcr
Regardless if global warming is a problem, we should ALL strive to lessen our effect on the environment.
I'm with you on that. Of course, the best thing we can do for the environment is to get as many people as possible out of subsistence farming, which is tremendously destructive. We don't slash-and-burn in the industrialized countries.
-jcr
Speak for yourself. I worked in a world-class marketing department, and I learned a lot about what marketing should do.
-jcr
I'm a software developer. In my experience, "IT" is a term used by non-engineers as a catch-all for "that which my English degree failed to equip me to understand". Kind of like when they say "microchip".
-jcr
I was a draftsman too, for several summers when I was in high school. Back a few years ago when we were hearing all the hype about Go PenPoint and other "pen-based computing", I concluded that I couldn't get excited about pen based computing on a display that was smaller than a "D" sheet (17"x22").
Besides the displays though, we really need some improvements in UI for CAD systems. Autocad is wretched. Google SketchUp is moving in the right direction, but it's still got quite a ways to go before I'd prefer it over a drafting table.
-jcr
The moon was mankind's primary source of light before the advent of fire, and the moon can be very bright at times.
Primary source of light? What about that other one? You know, the really big, hot, yellow one?
-jcr
My laptop is set for 100% brightness when connected to the charger, and 75% when it's on the battery. I dim it down to about 50% or so if I'm in a dark room.
-jcr
It's a huge improvement over anything that works by shining light directly into your eyes.
Anything you can see shines light directly into your eyes.
-jcr
Forcing people to get healthcare is somewhat questionable.
If by "questionable", you mean "blatantly unconstitutional", you'd be correct.
-jcr
You're sad that none of the Presidential candidates wanted to play Russian roulette with the American/World economy?
No, I'm disappointed that neither of them recognized that keeping failed businesses afloat only compounds the problems. Try to keep up, will you?
The only effective deterrent to the kind of risky behavior that buried Lehman, and SHOULD have buried Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is the fear of financial ruin. When the government steps in and gives them hundreds of billions of our money that they didn't earn, it's pretty damned stupid to expect them to clean up their act.
Capitalism is a profit AND LOSS system. When companies are insulated from their losses, why in the world would they change their ways?
You know, maybe you should learn a little about capital markets before making ideological judgments on issues.
Gee, what would you like to teach me about capital markets? I worked on Wall Street and at the Chicago board of trade for several years, building back-office systems for trading operations at JP Morgan, Phibro energy, Salomon brothers, and UBS/Warburg.
-jcr
Why would I try to argue with you? All you're doing is trotting out worn-out smears.
Face it, the hockey team got caught cooking the books. You're not going to make that go away by doubling down on the snotty attitude.
-jcr
The big irony there is that Craigslist sucks, and apears to have no intention of improving.
Tell me about it!
I know the woman who put Craig Newmark on the map, and she's told me how he basically dragged his feet on every change they ever made. Talk about an accidental millionaire..
-jcr
Rubbish yourself, the "scientists" at CRU were clearly "pushing for" a pro-AGW outcome.
They certainly were, and it seems to me that the people who should be most upset at what they were doing is their own side. If your cause is correct, it doesn't help you to have anyone cooking the books or trying to suppress publication by dissenters.
-jcr
No, it's called Greenland because at the time, it was green. Eric the Red found Greenland at a time when agriculture was viable there. He didn't have some devious motive to convince his countrymen to try to settle a frozen wasteland.
-jcr
Ooh, clever bit of package-dealing there. Just like tossing off the word "deniers" to lump climate skeptics in with the nazis.
-jcr
Craigslist is killing them.
To be precise, their costs are killing them, because they can't compete with superior alternatives like Craigslist and other online advertising services.
-jcr