I'd like to see Apple sue Logitech for this, actually.
Well, they certainly can show some damages from the defects, but whether they could recover anything in court from Logitech would of course depend on the details of whatever contracts they have in place with Logitech. Also, a company like Apple wouldn't want to scare away developers with the fear of losing a court case because of negligence or incompetence if they take shortcuts developing their software. They're not in the same situation as any random customer who happens to buy a defective product.
What they should do though, is yank any Logitech products that include the APE hack from their retail shelves until such time as Logitech repairs the defect.
Holy cow, that's fantastic. If I could carry my whole DVD collection on my iPod, I would. Not to mention, that dropping the storage cost like that would also make 4K video feasible.
What is the excuse for Apple not to test the upgrade with APE installed?
Ok, let me try to explain this without blowing my stack:
APE is an unsupported hack. This has been made more than clear to Unsanity, and any other third party developer who's raised the question with Apple DTS. Logitech, like any other developer who took the short cut, has fucked their users over.
So how exactly is my claim specious and unsupported?
You assert that morality depends on an untestable premise: that your imaginary friend exists.
This is arguing for your superstition by threat: IE, that terrible consequences (ie, no morality, chaos, bloodshed, and whatnot) ensue from failing to join you in your delusion. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Logitech has started using APE as a part of their driver package for their mice and keyboards, in effect installing something known to cause headaches behind people's backs.
Are you sure of this? I just bought a Logitech mouse, and I loaded up their pref pane. I'm not seeing any obvious signs of APE on my Leopard system. If I do find APE though, this mouse will be promptly mailed to logitech with a demand for a refund.
They have a gigantic number of some of the best people they can buy.
That's the problem. Once you have too many people on any software development project, it's going to suck, no matter how good they may be as individuals.
Frankly, sunshine: people like you whose morality depends on belief in a fantasy make me rather nervous. If the only thing that keeps you from going on a murderous rampage is the idea that some ultimate dictator will kick your ass if you do, then you're not someone I would choose for a neighbor.
, as long as a guest running on top of it is in any way able to compromise it.
My point is that that's hard to do. The hypervisor doesn't present much to the hosted OS to try to attack. If you look at a system like EROS or Coyotos, for example, if a process has no permission for a resource, then that resource isn't even mapped in its address space.
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I'd like to see Apple sue Logitech for this, actually.
Well, they certainly can show some damages from the defects, but whether they could recover anything in court from Logitech would of course depend on the details of whatever contracts they have in place with Logitech. Also, a company like Apple wouldn't want to scare away developers with the fear of losing a court case because of negligence or incompetence if they take shortcuts developing their software. They're not in the same situation as any random customer who happens to buy a defective product.
What they should do though, is yank any Logitech products that include the APE hack from their retail shelves until such time as Logitech repairs the defect.
-jcr
The right thing to do in this situation is to give the customer what he paid for, and for Best Buy to recover the loss from the shipper.
-jcr
Holy cow, that's fantastic. If I could carry my whole DVD collection on my iPod, I would. Not to mention, that dropping the storage cost like that would also make 4K video feasible.
-jcr
I've been pretty happy with Belkin's game controllers. I'll look into what they offer in the way of pointing devices.
-jcr
THis is the first malware of any kind that's been on any machine of mine since I switched to NeXTSTEP in 1989. Fuck Logitech.
-jcr
Who's trying to intimidate whom, sunshine?
-jcr
I will knock you to the ground, take it from you and smash it to bits.
You can try...
-jcr
It's a perfectly fine Windows OS. It's better than XP in every way I can think of.
If that's not damning with faint praise, I don't know what is.
-jcr
It's easy enough to tell if you have APE on your system because it shows up in your System Preferences
Nope. Logitech hid it, like the pack of incompetent, lazy weasels they are.
-jcr
Do you have any explanation for why it would be absurd for a supernatural world to exist?
Nice try, but he's your imaginary friend, and the burden of proof remains yours. Good luck.
-jcr
I know that you are capable of a more well-formed argument than simple name-calling
Sure I am, but what's the point of arguing with someone who insists on starting from an absurd premise?
Got anything that's not already right here?
Looks like your position is somewhere around #411 on that list.
Am I being unreasonable?
Yep. That's why I'm not taking you seriously.
-jcr
I do not deal in fantasies, sunshine.
-jcr
I do assert that the concept of morality depends on the existence of a spiritual world.
Ergo, you are not a moral actor of your own accord, and not someone I should trust.
-jcr
What is the excuse for Apple not to test the upgrade with APE installed?
Ok, let me try to explain this without blowing my stack:
APE is an unsupported hack. This has been made more than clear to Unsanity, and any other third party developer who's raised the question with Apple DTS. Logitech, like any other developer who took the short cut, has fucked their users over.
-jcr
I haven't been so pissed off in a long time. Logitech will never get another penny of mine.
-jcr
God FUCKING DAMN IT.
I just found a tool called "ape_install" in the resources of the logitech prefpane
Rosyna, FUCK YOU and logitech both.
-jcr
So how exactly is my claim specious and unsupported?
You assert that morality depends on an untestable premise: that your imaginary friend exists.
This is arguing for your superstition by threat: IE, that terrible consequences (ie, no morality, chaos, bloodshed, and whatnot) ensue from failing to join you in your delusion. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
-jcr
Logitech has started using APE as a part of their driver package for their mice and keyboards, in effect installing something known to cause headaches behind people's backs.
Are you sure of this? I just bought a Logitech mouse, and I loaded up their pref pane. I'm not seeing any obvious signs of APE on my Leopard system. If I do find APE though, this mouse will be promptly mailed to logitech with a demand for a refund.
-jcr
They have a gigantic number of some of the best people they can buy.
That's the problem. Once you have too many people on any software development project, it's going to suck, no matter how good they may be as individuals.
-jcr
all I did was suggest for argument that there can be no morality in a materialistic universe.
This is a claim which is just as specious and unsupported as your imaginary friend in the sky is in the first place.
-jcr
Frankly, sunshine: people like you whose morality depends on belief in a fantasy make me rather nervous. If the only thing that keeps you from going on a murderous rampage is the idea that some ultimate dictator will kick your ass if you do, then you're not someone I would choose for a neighbor.
-jcr
Are angels in the same class as ghosts?
Yes. Superstition comes in many forms.
-jcr
It's a joke, son.
-jcr
, as long as a guest running on top of it is in any way able to compromise it.
My point is that that's hard to do. The hypervisor doesn't present much to the hosted OS to try to attack. If you look at a system like EROS or Coyotos, for example, if a process has no permission for a resource, then that resource isn't even mapped in its address space.
-jcr
The moment the EPA approves the waiver, these states will be "taking action."
And with litigation in progress, how much time do you think it is before that "moment" happens? I give it ten years, easily.
-jcr