Oh, don't worry... they can't possibly win this case.
This isn't the kind of case that's filed to win in court, its purpose is to intimidate the defendant. Hopefully the court will smack them good and hard.
Perhaps you're having difficulty understanding how few of the incidents you cite actually support your position.
Indonesia has a problem with domestic terrorists, as do many other countries. Care to compare the number of attacks in Indonesia to the number of abortion-clinic bombings in the USA?
if I thought that my code (even if by mistake as I said before) ended up participating in the killing of innocent men, women and children, I think I'd have a hard job sleeping at night.
I'd find it much harder to sleep at night if my country were attacked and I failed to do what I could to prevent it.
if I write software for a guided missile for example, and that missile happens to kill innocent civilians (even if by mistake) then I feel like there'd be at least some blood on my hands too - which I don't want.
I have a rather different take on that. My position is that weapons are necessary, until and unless all threats to peace are neutralized (which isn't going to happen.) I would have no problem at all working on a weapon, as long as it wasn't a waste of tax money, as many weapons projects are. I'd have no qualms at all about working on the Manhattan project, for example.
If you refuse to ever have any blood on your hands, who do you expect to defend your family? I'm alive today, because men like my my uncle John went to war in 1941.
how bad would it have to be before you'd walk away from your job because your boss told you to do something you thought was immoral/unethical/whatever?
If asked to do something immoral, I'd refuse. If asked to do something illegal, I'd refuse, consult my attorney, and probably report the matter to the relevant authorities.
The closest I've been to such a situation was being asked to do something that was asinine, (although not imoral in any way, merely stupid, and certain to result in failure), and I resigned.
I will simply find Sony shareholders in my home town and sue them civilly
Try it, and you'll not only have your suit thrown out, you'll be sanctioned by the court for filing a frivilous action. Be careful not to really piss off the judge in the process, or that sanction might be a couple of days in jail instead of a fine.
If you own Sony stock, you're liable in my opinion.
Take your opinion to court, and see how far it gets you.
It's not the enginners fault. It's the ones that decided to put it out.
Bullshit. The engineers are the ones who should know right from wrong. Sony wouldn't even have attempted this if their so-called "engineers" hadn't played along.
The problem in a nutshell is Islam is not just a religion, it is also a political force that denies the legitimacy of other belief systems and other political orientations.
What utter tripe.
I lived in two predominantly Muslim countries when I was a kid, (Malaysia and Indonesia), and they were just as tolerant of other religions as any other country in the world. For most Indonesians, Islam is about like Christianity is in the USA: something you pay lip service to when your grandma is listening, but you don't let it get in the way of having a good time.
There's a problem of Saudi-bankrolled Wahabbis finding the assholes in every Muslim community and inciting them to cause trouble. It's about the same problem you'd find in the Christian world if somebody dropped a couple billion dollars on that clown with the "god hates fags" web site.
I am always amazed at the shouts from the left that they are being "oppressed" in this country.
The truly ironic thing is that the lefties also call for "hate speech" laws. The ACLU is right when they say that free speech is for everyone, even the Nazis.
Of course not, and they haven't done it with this phone, either.
The ROKR is a Motorola design. It's a Motorola product. It includes an App that came from Apple, a custom version of iTunes, but Apple did not design the phone.
Lift is a real and well known effect that results from the airstream flowing faster over the top surface of the wing than the bottom, which lowers the air pressure above the wing.
Lift is not a pulling force. Lift is the push from the higher pressure below the wing.
Sure, for about the last century or so. The church of today isn't the same pack of yahoos that used to burn people at the stake over how to calculate the Easter date.
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When your elderly people have to travel to Canada to buy cheap drugs, it's socialism that they're benefiting from.
How about when they go to Mexico, and get them even cheaper?
socialism, in it's most basic form means "sharing."
No, "Sharing" means "sharing". "Socialism" means "sharing under the threat of force".
-jcr
If it's "crucial" not to touch the code, what kind of a hous-of-cards are we dealing with here?
;-)
I guess you've never worked with SAP, or you wouldn't be asking that question.
-jcr
Oh, don't worry... they can't possibly win this case.
This isn't the kind of case that's filed to win in court, its purpose is to intimidate the defendant. Hopefully the court will smack them good and hard.
-jcr
Perhaps you're having difficulty understanding how few of the incidents you cite actually support your position.
Indonesia has a problem with domestic terrorists, as do many other countries. Care to compare the number of attacks in Indonesia to the number of abortion-clinic bombings in the USA?
-jcr
When was the last time your country was attacked?
9/11/2001. Didn't you get the memo?
-jcr
if I thought that my code (even if by mistake as I said before) ended up participating in the killing of innocent men, women and children, I think I'd have a hard job sleeping at night.
I'd find it much harder to sleep at night if my country were attacked and I failed to do what I could to prevent it.
-jcr
Wouldn't Sony be at least somewhat liable here?
Yep. Negligence, big-time. This is going to cost them a shitload of money.
-jcr
if I write software for a guided missile for example, and that missile happens to kill innocent civilians (even if by mistake) then I feel like there'd be at least some blood on my hands too - which I don't want.
I have a rather different take on that. My position is that weapons are necessary, until and unless all threats to peace are neutralized (which isn't going to happen.) I would have no problem at all working on a weapon, as long as it wasn't a waste of tax money, as many weapons projects are. I'd have no qualms at all about working on the Manhattan project, for example.
If you refuse to ever have any blood on your hands, who do you expect to defend your family? I'm alive today, because men like my my uncle John went to war in 1941.
-jcr
how bad would it have to be before you'd walk away from your job because your boss told you to do something you thought was immoral/unethical/whatever?
If asked to do something immoral, I'd refuse. If asked to do something illegal, I'd refuse, consult my attorney, and probably report the matter to the relevant authorities.
The closest I've been to such a situation was being asked to do something that was asinine, (although not imoral in any way, merely stupid, and certain to result in failure), and I resigned.
-jcr
The engineers, I'm sure, were given no real choice in the matter.
Oh, somebody put a gun to their heads?
-jcr
I will simply find Sony shareholders in my home town and sue them civilly
Try it, and you'll not only have your suit thrown out, you'll be sanctioned by the court for filing a frivilous action. Be careful not to really piss off the judge in the process, or that sanction might be a couple of days in jail instead of a fine.
If you own Sony stock, you're liable in my opinion.
Take your opinion to court, and see how far it gets you.
-jcr
Remember: Sony didn't write the rootkit. They bought it from someone else.
This makes no difference at all in their culpability, as I'm sure the Judge will explain to them.
-jcr
It's not the enginners fault. It's the ones that decided to put it out.
Bullshit. The engineers are the ones who should know right from wrong. Sony wouldn't even have attempted this if their so-called "engineers" hadn't played along.
-jcr
Yeah, but how long will those jobs last before the company is bankrupted by damages awarded in the class-action suit?
-jcr
The problem in a nutshell is Islam is not just a religion, it is also a political force that denies the legitimacy of other belief systems and other political orientations.
What utter tripe.
I lived in two predominantly Muslim countries when I was a kid, (Malaysia and Indonesia), and they were just as tolerant of other religions as any other country in the world. For most Indonesians, Islam is about like Christianity is in the USA: something you pay lip service to when your grandma is listening, but you don't let it get in the way of having a good time.
There's a problem of Saudi-bankrolled Wahabbis finding the assholes in every Muslim community and inciting them to cause trouble. It's about the same problem you'd find in the Christian world if somebody dropped a couple billion dollars on that clown with the "god hates fags" web site.
-jcr
It didn't make a lot of sense in the LA riots, either.
What this shows is that rioting is an emotional activity, not a logical one.
-jcr
I am always amazed at the shouts from the left that they are being "oppressed" in this country.
The truly ironic thing is that the lefties also call for "hate speech" laws. The ACLU is right when they say that free speech is for everyone, even the Nazis.
-jcr
Just to point out the obvious, the united states isn't in the middle of domestic upheaval
It's also worth pointing out that the last time it was, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, among other things which he had no legal authority to do.
Back in the 1940's, Roosevelt herded innocent people into concentration camps.
If muslims were rioting in the suburbs of washington, and some bloggers were advocating it, they probably would be in the same boat.
Let's hope we don't find out.
-jcr
He faired rather poorly.
Um.. He just hit the break-even point. It's all profit from here on. The overall ROI remains to be seen.
-jcr
The $400 external 400K diskette drive.
They sold quite a few of those, actually. For anyone trying to do Real Work on the Mac in the early days, it was a must-have.
-jcr
Apple clearly limited the product to 100 songs on purpose.
Guess again.
Apple didn't dictate the hardware specs of that phone. They sold Motorola a custom version of iTunes, with a license for the Fairplay DRM. That's it.
-jcr
Has Apple done such a thing before?
Of course not, and they haven't done it with this phone, either.
The ROKR is a Motorola design. It's a Motorola product. It includes an App that came from Apple, a custom version of iTunes, but Apple did not design the phone.
-jcr
Motorola didn't have to accept the ROKR design nor build it.
Apple did not design the ROKR! Where are people getting this bizarre idea?
It's a MOTOROLA product, that happens to have ONE Apple program on it.
-jcr
Lift is a real and well known effect that results from the airstream flowing faster over the top surface of the wing than the bottom, which lowers the air pressure above the wing.
Lift is not a pulling force. Lift is the push from the higher pressure below the wing.
-jcr
"the **RECENT** catholic position..."
Sure, for about the last century or so. The church of today isn't the same pack of yahoos that used to burn people at the stake over how to calculate the Easter date.
-jcr