one of the state officials asked the Discovery Institute for a class syllabus for intelligent design
I'm a bit surprised that the IDiots didn't just go off on a tangent and try to use the class period for a course in spreading their propaganda. They've got plenty of materials on how to argue against facts.
The funny thing about the controversy is that the people opposed to thinking independently are the ones who insist that a collection of ideas be taught as established fact, no longer subject to critical analysis.
Looks like you need a bit more stuffing in your straw man there, sunshine.
ID isn't critical analysis at all. It offers no testable hypotheses, no avenues for further study, allows for no modification of its own precepts in the light of new evidence, etc. Basically, ID in its entirety is nothing more than a very verbose "Nu-uh!" to evolutionary theory.
I'm not sure that the Vatican believes in the creation or not.
Basically, the Catholic position is that if any conflict is seen between the physical world and the Bible, then you're just not understanding the Bible. They're very clear that Genesis is allegory, and that Christian faith doesn't require ingorance of facts.
Cocoa is all NeXT stuff with a few minor API improvements.
The NSMenu API has been re-hosted on top of the Carbon menu manager, and the upshot is that it's much harder to write a custom menu than it was under NeXTSTEP. Subclassing NSMenu or NSMenuItem is just about hopeless.
isn't the whole Mail.app thing a direct port from NeXT?
It's been through a couple of major rewrites, but that's not what I was talking about. There's a framework for sending mail, "Message.framework", which is broken. Today, we have to use PantoMIME for what should be an intrinsic capability.
MS couldn't stand knowing that a major PC vendor's e-commerce site was running on Web Objects, so they sent an army to re-implement Dell's web store with ASP and the rest of MS's crap at no cost to Dell. The funny thing is, they actually cite that cluster-fuck as one of their success stories!
I'm pretty sure it's a direct result of all those dads buying their college-bound daughters Macs because they were told they wouldn't be cool without them.
More like, they love their kids and don't want them to suffer. What's wrong with that?
On a serious note, what is it that you Next fans think is missing from OS X?
The things I miss that immediately spring to mind are:
1) Workspace.app. The Finder is a train wreck. 2) Having Obj-C API for nearly everything. This is improving, but it's still like pulling teeth to write a custom menu, for example. 3) GDB was much more aware of Obj-C on NeXTSTEP. I didn't have to cast every bloody expression I wanted to evaluate. 3) A working mail services API.
Windows = Enjoys the Pain: "Beat me Harder, Bill!" Apple = Reasonable chance of getting what you want, whatever you're into. Linux = Couldn't get laid with a thousand dollars in Vegas.
But wouldn't the world be better off if the customer was paying you that $75/hr for some truly creative work, like writing new in-house apps for their use, instead of just filling in Dell's divots?
Linux is a great desktop OS: KDE and Gnome have all the functionality you would want in a modern desktop OS, they are easy to use, attractive, and reliable.
I spend ~45% of my time using PuTTY on a Windows machine connected to a linux server doing things that I can't do on a windows laptop without a net connection.
If you're spending that much time using a remote machine, you may want to check out RBrowser for those times when you're manipulating the files on the other host. Handy little app, that. I especially like the way you can just double click a file on the remote machine, it gets copied to the local host, you edit it, and it gets put back on the remote host when you close it.
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We're getting rid of Carbon? Oh god, tell me we're getting rid of Carbon...
No, sorry. Carbon will be around as long as stdio.
-jcr
Unfortunately, Scientology is far more subtle and dangerous than that.
Umm.. I beg to differ. Scientology is about as subtle as Stalinism.
-jcr
one of the state officials asked the Discovery Institute for a class syllabus for intelligent design
I'm a bit surprised that the IDiots didn't just go off on a tangent and try to use the class period for a course in spreading their propaganda. They've got plenty of materials on how to argue against facts.
-jcr
The funny thing about the controversy is that the people opposed to thinking independently are the ones who insist that a collection of ideas be taught as established fact, no longer subject to critical analysis.
Looks like you need a bit more stuffing in your straw man there, sunshine.
ID isn't critical analysis at all. It offers no testable hypotheses, no avenues for further study, allows for no modification of its own precepts in the light of new evidence, etc. Basically, ID in its entirety is nothing more than a very verbose "Nu-uh!" to evolutionary theory.
-jcr
Kansas will end up serving as an example for the other states.
They already do. Educated people have been fleeing Kansas for decades.
-jcr
I'm not sure that the Vatican believes in the creation or not.
Basically, the Catholic position is that if any conflict is seen between the physical world and the Bible, then you're just not understanding the Bible. They're very clear that Genesis is allegory, and that Christian faith doesn't require ingorance of facts.
-jcr
I'm atheist, and hold in high regard jesuit priests, for giving me an excellent scientific education, devoid of any supernatural ideas.
They're pretty good about that these days, since they have that whole Galileo fracas to live down.
-jcr
And those in the Kansas government should know that this issue is making Kansas a laughing stock world wide.
It's happened once before in Kansas. The voters bounced the clowns out of the school board the first time, and they'll do it again.
-jcr
This design does not create "pull" on the leeward side. There is no such thing as a negative aerodynamic force.
-jcr
Cocoa is all NeXT stuff with a few minor API improvements.
The NSMenu API has been re-hosted on top of the Carbon menu manager, and the upshot is that it's much harder to write a custom menu than it was under NeXTSTEP. Subclassing NSMenu or NSMenuItem is just about hopeless.
isn't the whole Mail.app thing a direct port from NeXT?
It's been through a couple of major rewrites, but that's not what I was talking about. There's a framework for sending mail, "Message.framework", which is broken. Today, we have to use PantoMIME for what should be an intrinsic capability.
-jcr
That's not quite how it went down.
MS couldn't stand knowing that a major PC vendor's e-commerce site was running on Web Objects, so they sent an army to re-implement Dell's web store with ASP and the rest of MS's crap at no cost to Dell. The funny thing is, they actually cite that cluster-fuck as one of their success stories!
-jcr
I'm pretty sure it's a direct result of all those dads buying their college-bound daughters Macs because they were told they wouldn't be cool without them.
More like, they love their kids and don't want them to suffer. What's wrong with that?
-jcr
Try to do the same things you do in .NET in ObjectiveC, then tell me ;).
.NET, and let us know how it goes.
What color is the sky on your planet?
Try to duplicate any Cocoa app in
-jcr
On a serious note, what is it that you Next fans think is missing from OS X?
The things I miss that immediately spring to mind are:
1) Workspace.app. The Finder is a train wreck.
2) Having Obj-C API for nearly everything. This is improving, but it's still like pulling teeth to write a custom menu, for example.
3) GDB was much more aware of Obj-C on NeXTSTEP. I didn't have to cast every bloody expression I wanted to evaluate.
3) A working mail services API.
-jcr
Microsoft doesn't upgrade their OS because, as it is "it just works".
Troll? Come on! That's a +5 "funny" if I ever saw one!
-jcr
Just to expand on that a bit: Apple's online store, and the iTunes music store are both WebObjects apps.
-jcr
munbles something about the fact that Mac OS X *IS* NextSTEP. ;-)
Not quite yet, but maybe after 10.5...
-jcr
More like:
Windows = Enjoys the Pain: "Beat me Harder, Bill!"
Apple = Reasonable chance of getting what you want, whatever you're into.
Linux = Couldn't get laid with a thousand dollars in Vegas.
-jcr
I will also say that OS X has converted many UNIX/Linux people as well.
Heh.. I've seen it convert IRIX people.
-jcr
Macintosh never had a 35-45% market share.
Not the Mac, the Apple II.
-jcr
Customer pays me $75/hr
But wouldn't the world be better off if the customer was paying you that $75/hr for some truly creative work, like writing new in-house apps for their use, instead of just filling in Dell's divots?
-jcr
All I can say is, once you go Mac OS X, everything else seems inferior. And I mean EVERYTHING. :-)
:D
Well... It's still catching up to NeXTSTEP in some ways.
-jcr
hardware support remains my one major complaint with Linux,
Think that's bad? Try to build an Intel NeXTSTEP machine today.
-jcr
Linux is a great desktop OS: KDE and Gnome have all the functionality you would want in a modern desktop OS, they are easy to use, attractive, and reliable.
Wow... You really need to get out more.
-jcr
I spend ~45% of my time using PuTTY on a Windows machine connected to a linux server doing things that I can't do on a windows laptop without a net connection.
If you're spending that much time using a remote machine, you may want to check out RBrowser for those times when you're manipulating the files on the other host. Handy little app, that. I especially like the way you can just double click a file on the remote machine, it gets copied to the local host, you edit it, and it gets put back on the remote host when you close it.
-jcr