They didn't enforce American patents either. Hey, were they China too?
... in the context of my statements, yes. The point is, we respected U.S. patents, but not other nations', and as was common then, it wasn't easy (possible?) for non-citizens to get patents in the U.S. So, we happily se about copying stuff from overseas and selling it here and abroad. And the europeans complained about it.
I understand that the U.S. has had copyrights and patents since its inception. It wasn't the case, though, that we respected other countries' patents. And why should we have?
Lots of countries don't give a fried fart about U.S. patents -- outside the U.S. However, they cannot participate in our economy unless they do 'respect' them here.
Interestingly, the U.S. was the "China" of its day when the country was first founded (with a little more freedom for its citizens, of course). Cheap manufacturing, a lack of regard for copyrights and patents from other countries. Plus, the U.S. defaulted on its debts quie a bit.
Slightly hypocritical of us to complain about people doing that to us, now...
Some other people have noted that Magnequench is a Chinese company -- but their World Headquarters is in Anderson, Indiana. So they look like a U.S. firm. They have a "Technology Center" in the RTP area, just up the road from me. They make their materials in China. The Chairman of their Board is Chinese.
However, according to their "timeline," General Motors, Sumitomo Metals and the Chinese Academy of Sciences all discovered neodymium-iron-boron magnets in 1982. Magnequench was created as a "business unit" of GM in 1986. Then, in 1995,
Beijing San Huan New Material High-tech, Inc., China National Non-Ferrous Metals Import & Export Corporation, and an investment group led by Sextant Group, Inc. acquire Magnequench and establish Magnequench International, Inc
So, yes, they appear to be a Chinese company now.
Apparently Sumitomo Special Metals Co. licensed the magnet technology to San Huan New Material High-Tech Inc., which sells the stuff through Beijing San Huan International Trading Co. Sumitomo has this notice on their website:
"Notice : In the United States of America and Canada, you may use Sintered Neodymium-Iron-Boron Permanet Magnets, as the piece part magnet or as it's assembly, manufactured by the [above] licensees ONLY. Use of Sintered Neodymium-Iron-Boron Permanent Magnets made by non-licensee is prohibited by the Patent Law of the United States of America and Canada."
Sumitomo is a Japanese company that got its start in 1918 as Sumitomo Steel Works, Ltd. So it appears that, even though GM invented the stuff here, they sold it to the Chinese who now license it from the Japanese.
Ninbo Konit Industries Inc. is the only Chinese licensee of Magnequench and Sumitomo. They are also the largest manufacturer of NdFeB magnets in China. They are located in the "Ningbo Economic and Technical Development Zone" in Xiaogang, China. I.e., one of the pseudo-capitalist (mercantilist, really) enclaves in otherwise Communist China. Konit is actually owned by San Huan High-Tech New Materials. Apparently Tridus of Rancho Domingo, California founded San Huab New Materials in a joint venture with the Chinese Academy of Science. They claim to be "the only legitimate importing and marketing company for Chinese Sintered Neodymium Iron-Boron permanent magnets in North America."
Apparently these infringement suits have been going on for a while. In 1995, a suit was originated in the PRC and Hong Kong by Crucible Materials Corporation against San Huan New Materials, Tridus and Ningbo Konit, among others. Violation of patent #4,588,439 ("Oxygen containing permanent magnet alloy") was found and a Cease and Desist issued.
Actually the spill would be a matter for the police, and then perhaps civil court.
"There has to be force" -- for retaliatory use only. That's the difference between the Libertarian outlook and yours; Libertarians don't think that the ends justify the means.
The part about "growing unchecked and wreaking havoc."
Libertarians are fine with regulation. It's important. It's a proper role for government; Thomas Jefferson even said so. However, Libertarians also don't think that the government should be in business itself, or that the welfare state is a good idea. Libertarians think that the "war on drugs" is a bad idea. Libertarians think that a clean environment is a good thing, but that there should be a single standard, and that solutions to environmental problems should be based in property law. I.e., the governments can't get away with polluting just because they are the government, as is the case now. And if someone pollutes your property, you are entitled to compensation for that, just as if someone turned over a barrel of oil in your living room, they would be liable.
Libertarians are most worried about means, as opposed to ends. And initiating the use of force to achieve your ends is not acceptable. If you want to boil down Libertarianism, you can do it much more succinctly that you did: "No force, no fraud."
Corporations are essentially immortal; they can wait
Here's a crazy idea that just might work: limit the life span of a corporation to the current average, or maximum recorded, human lifespan. The the corporation is dissolved and its assets sold, with the usual inheritance taxes taken out. The owners of the company can set up another company to buy the old company's assets, so the business will go on. But other companies and people can also bid for it in open auction. Turnover, baby!
You guys in the U.S.A. have an obligation to the rest of the world to fix your government.
Boy, do we. And to fix our media companies *cough Ted Turner* while we're at it.
I'll be running for President when I'm old enough. As a Libertarian. Restoring the balance of power in favor of the people, rather than the government, or corporations. In fact, I might jsut do away with corporations, and put commercial business back on the footing it was once on in this country. Either that, or extend to individuals the same rights that corporations have.;)
Every now and again some Slashdotter posts something along the lines of a major corporation being "socialist" - meaning that it has a monopoly and, ergo, is part of the state. I don't necessarily support that type of logic.
Maybe they say it from the point of view that, Socialist government relies on the use of force to maintain "fair" distributions of resources, and companies who achieve monopolies also use force, via the government and its laws, to maintain their "fair" distribution of resources.
In other words, without the use of force, there can be no monopolies, and socialist governments are in the business of monopolies.
The U.S. Government used to grant limited monpolies for short durations of time to strike a balance between the "common good" -- wide dissemination of ideas and information -- and profit motive. The idea was to have more information created, which would then be widely disseminated. In exchange for the use of government force to establish and maintain a monopoly in a specific area (i.e., getting a patent, trademark or copyright), you agree to give up all rights to that thing after a set, limited amount of time; and also show other people how to so it. If you don't like that deal, you try to "trade secret" -- which affords no government protection to you (beyond regular theft/espionage/etc laws).
I'm pretty sure that if we could dig up and re-animate the founding fathers and other revolutionaries that founded this country, they would be throwing DVD players into Boston Harbor in no time. And advocating the widespread production of hemp. And backing out of entangling treaties. And giving the smackdown to corporations as a legal entiry. Etc. I.e., improving the place.
I'm sure graphics artists, video producers, etc. are going to love having MacroVision or some other image-degrading thing reducing the quality of theur images. Or maybe there will be "professional" equipment that costs more, a la minidisc. I hate the MPAA and RIAA.
Cache solves some of the problems you point out. It's accessible relationally or via objects. New object interfaces can be added to existing ones, or to relational and non-relational data stores. So, Cache is generic. Complexity -- because Cache can also be accessed as a relational database, you can write a new Java OO app using its object interface and let older apps continue to use its SQL interface. Skills availability -- start relational, have the choice of trying OO.
The U.S. Intellectual Property protections were designed to be a compromise, by giving inventors (not discoverers) limited protection for their inventions. This was done in order to harness the profit motive for the common good. Unfortunately, Congress has extended patent and copyright protections far beyond what they were originally.
It really makes you wonder what the KDE guys could have done with that kind of backing
Probably not as well. There's a lot said for being lean, even hungry, during development. Example: NASA spent millions of dollars creating an ink pen that can write in zero gravity without making a mess. The Russians took pencils.
Intellectual property laws exist only because capitalism is a slavery system.
Balls.
Our livelihood depends on working for others so we can pay our taxes.
Okay, Mr. Smarty, move out someplace and don't interact with anyone, but be totally self-sufficient. Because when you trade with people, you are "working for others."
We should all demand a truly free system where everybody is guaranteed to inherit income property by virtue of being human, a piece of the pie, so to speak.
Uh, you demand that. I'll be asking for actual freedom, not slavery as you are. You want everyone to have "a piece of the pie" "by virtue of being human." Something for nothing? Who's going to provide the something? The people making it. Who's going to provide the nothing? The people receiving the something under your black-is-white system.
The only reason that paranoid Slashdotters fear the FBI so much is because they themselves are less knowledgeable and organized.
... Plus, the FBI, etc. is heaviliy armed and tends to use overwhelming force to achieve its goals when attacking, and have no visible accountability. Or are those not real reasons?
Slashdot Mirror
Oh. You mean like Mozilla. ;)
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Well, once difference between now and then is the WIPO.
Plus, it wasn't always the case the nations issued patents to foreigners.
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They didn't enforce American patents either. Hey, were they China too?
... in the context of my statements, yes. The point is, we respected U.S. patents, but not other nations', and as was common then, it wasn't easy (possible?) for non-citizens to get patents in the U.S. So, we happily se about copying stuff from overseas and selling it here and abroad. And the europeans complained about it.
I understand that the U.S. has had copyrights and patents since its inception. It wasn't the case, though, that we respected other countries' patents. And why should we have?
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Interestingly, the U.S. was the "China" of its day when the country was first founded (with a little more freedom for its citizens, of course). Cheap manufacturing, a lack of regard for copyrights and patents from other countries. Plus, the U.S. defaulted on its debts quie a bit.
Slightly hypocritical of us to complain about people doing that to us, now...
Some other people have noted that Magnequench is a Chinese company -- but their World Headquarters is in Anderson, Indiana. So they look like a U.S. firm. They have a "Technology Center" in the RTP area, just up the road from me. They make their materials in China. The Chairman of their Board is Chinese.
However, according to their "timeline," General Motors, Sumitomo Metals and the Chinese Academy of Sciences all discovered neodymium-iron-boron magnets in 1982. Magnequench was created as a "business unit" of GM in 1986. Then, in 1995,
So, yes, they appear to be a Chinese company now.
Apparently Sumitomo Special Metals Co. licensed the magnet technology to San Huan New Material High-Tech Inc., which sells the stuff through Beijing San Huan International Trading Co. Sumitomo has this notice on their website:
Sumitomo is a Japanese company that got its start in 1918 as Sumitomo Steel Works, Ltd. So it appears that, even though GM invented the stuff here, they sold it to the Chinese who now license it from the Japanese.
Ninbo Konit Industries Inc. is the only Chinese licensee of Magnequench and Sumitomo. They are also the largest manufacturer of NdFeB magnets in China. They are located in the "Ningbo Economic and Technical Development Zone" in Xiaogang, China. I.e., one of the pseudo-capitalist (mercantilist, really) enclaves in otherwise Communist China. Konit is actually owned by San Huan High-Tech New Materials. Apparently Tridus of Rancho Domingo, California founded San Huab New Materials in a joint venture with the Chinese Academy of Science. They claim to be "the only legitimate importing and marketing company for Chinese Sintered Neodymium Iron-Boron permanent magnets in North America."
Apparently these infringement suits have been going on for a while. In 1995, a suit was originated in the PRC and Hong Kong by Crucible Materials Corporation against San Huan New Materials, Tridus and Ningbo Konit, among others. Violation of patent #4,588,439 ("Oxygen containing permanent magnet alloy") was found and a Cease and Desist issued.
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Actually the spill would be a matter for the police, and then perhaps civil court.
"There has to be force" -- for retaliatory use only. That's the difference between the Libertarian outlook and yours; Libertarians don't think that the ends justify the means.
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The part about "growing unchecked and wreaking havoc."
Libertarians are fine with regulation. It's important. It's a proper role for government; Thomas Jefferson even said so. However, Libertarians also don't think that the government should be in business itself, or that the welfare state is a good idea. Libertarians think that the "war on drugs" is a bad idea. Libertarians think that a clean environment is a good thing, but that there should be a single standard, and that solutions to environmental problems should be based in property law. I.e., the governments can't get away with polluting just because they are the government, as is the case now. And if someone pollutes your property, you are entitled to compensation for that, just as if someone turned over a barrel of oil in your living room, they would be liable.
Libertarians are most worried about means, as opposed to ends. And initiating the use of force to achieve your ends is not acceptable. If you want to boil down Libertarianism, you can do it much more succinctly that you did: "No force, no fraud."
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Er... no. Where do you get ideas like that?
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Corporations are essentially immortal; they can wait
Here's a crazy idea that just might work: limit the life span of a corporation to the current average, or maximum recorded, human lifespan. The the corporation is dissolved and its assets sold, with the usual inheritance taxes taken out. The owners of the company can set up another company to buy the old company's assets, so the business will go on. But other companies and people can also bid for it in open auction. Turnover, baby!
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You guys in the U.S.A. have an obligation to the rest of the world to fix your government.
;)
Boy, do we. And to fix our media companies *cough Ted Turner* while we're at it.
I'll be running for President when I'm old enough. As a Libertarian. Restoring the balance of power in favor of the people, rather than the government, or corporations. In fact, I might jsut do away with corporations, and put commercial business back on the footing it was once on in this country. Either that, or extend to individuals the same rights that corporations have.
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Every now and again some Slashdotter posts something along the lines of a major corporation being "socialist" - meaning that it has a monopoly and, ergo, is part of the state. I don't necessarily support that type of logic.
Maybe they say it from the point of view that, Socialist government relies on the use of force to maintain "fair" distributions of resources, and companies who achieve monopolies also use force, via the government and its laws, to maintain their "fair" distribution of resources.
In other words, without the use of force, there can be no monopolies, and socialist governments are in the business of monopolies.
The U.S. Government used to grant limited monpolies for short durations of time to strike a balance between the "common good" -- wide dissemination of ideas and information -- and profit motive. The idea was to have more information created, which would then be widely disseminated. In exchange for the use of government force to establish and maintain a monopoly in a specific area (i.e., getting a patent, trademark or copyright), you agree to give up all rights to that thing after a set, limited amount of time; and also show other people how to so it. If you don't like that deal, you try to "trade secret" -- which affords no government protection to you (beyond regular theft/espionage/etc laws).
I'm pretty sure that if we could dig up and re-animate the founding fathers and other revolutionaries that founded this country, they would be throwing DVD players into Boston Harbor in no time. And advocating the widespread production of hemp. And backing out of entangling treaties. And giving the smackdown to corporations as a legal entiry. Etc. I.e., improving the place.
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I'm sure graphics artists, video producers, etc. are going to love having MacroVision or some other image-degrading thing reducing the quality of theur images. Or maybe there will be "professional" equipment that costs more, a la minidisc. I hate the MPAA and RIAA.
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Heehee...
"Sun Microsystems. We put the dot in 'OH SHIT, WE'RE BROKE!'"
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http://www.e-dbms.com/cache/components/cacheobject s/index.html
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Cache solves some of the problems you point out. It's accessible relationally or via objects. New object interfaces can be added to existing ones, or to relational and non-relational data stores. So, Cache is generic. Complexity -- because Cache can also be accessed as a relational database, you can write a new Java OO app using its object interface and let older apps continue to use its SQL interface. Skills availability -- start relational, have the choice of trying OO.
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It has really spiffy Java Object Projection, and is a lot faster than Oracle.
http://www.e-dbms.com/
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The U.S. Intellectual Property protections were designed to be a compromise, by giving inventors (not discoverers) limited protection for their inventions. This was done in order to harness the profit motive for the common good. Unfortunately, Congress has extended patent and copyright protections far beyond what they were originally.
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It really makes you wonder what the KDE guys could have done with that kind of backing
Probably not as well. There's a lot said for being lean, even hungry, during development. Example: NASA spent millions of dollars creating an ink pen that can write in zero gravity without making a mess. The Russians took pencils.
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Intellectual property laws exist only because capitalism is a slavery system.
Balls.
Our livelihood depends on working for others so we can pay our taxes.
Okay, Mr. Smarty, move out someplace and don't interact with anyone, but be totally self-sufficient. Because when you trade with people, you are "working for others."
We should all demand a truly free system where everybody is guaranteed to inherit income property by virtue of being human, a piece of the pie, so to speak.
Uh, you demand that. I'll be asking for actual freedom, not slavery as you are. You want everyone to have "a piece of the pie" "by virtue of being human." Something for nothing? Who's going to provide the something? The people making it. Who's going to provide the nothing? The people receiving the something under your black-is-white system.
This is not a handout from the government
Oh, really. Who's it from, then?
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Sealand authorities painted several large patterns consisting of concentric red circles on their island.
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People here sometimes get it in thier head that FBI=BoogieMan
How do you think that happened?
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Your going to have trouble moving the logs to /dev/null, if you want to pretend to know what your doing you might think about 'rm'.
/dev/null".
Yeah, haha. I know it won't work. Read it as "move logging to
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The only reason that paranoid Slashdotters fear the FBI so much is because they themselves are less knowledgeable and organized.
... Plus, the FBI, etc. is heaviliy armed and tends to use overwhelming force to achieve its goals when attacking, and have no visible accountability. Or are those not real reasons?
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So, right after running the log analysis -- hourly! -- wipe the logs. And in your stats reports, leave out the "most common visitor" kind of stats.
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Can you (or someone) post a list of interesting and/or good C interpreters?
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C? The retarded horse with a gimpy leg.
Why do you say that?
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