I appreciate that, but I also think that I, and probably several Slashdotters, would love to be able to have Vorbis files, Shorten files, and FLAC files in my iTunes library, regardless of whether or not they can be transferred to my iPod.
Does a billboard on the highway influence you? Does a TV commercial? How about nifty applications like F-spot? Are you jazzed by new themes on your distro of choice? How do you feel about magazine ads?
Same thing. It's called advertising. And virtually all commercial companies do it. Companies do it to create goodwill and "push" customers to examine their product. They do it to create a warm, fuzzy feeling about their brand name. They do it to inspire trust, and to establish their name.
So the more you like Apple, in theory, the more likely you are to entertain Apple as a solution. This is not rocket science. *I* think that by adding support for these kinds of formats, there's no downside - those who don't use it won't notice and those that do will love it, and conceivably be more positive and open minded about Apple in general.
It's not a direct "I like FLAC in iTunes so I'll simply use OS X" relationship, despite your fanatic need to make it so.
There are no IT managers who would support a platform change to Mac OS X if only Apple would support FLAC and OGG on the iPod.
Inroads, my friend. Cause ya gotta start somewhere, and being the flavor of the week ain't so bad. How many fanboys here have begun buying IBM hardware since they became Linux's bestest big brother?
Don't underestimate the OS X/Apple hardware marketing that can be done with "consumer products" like the iPod.
If you doubt me, go to ANY tech trade show - Citrix, Linux, VoIP, etc. Nearly every vendor is auctioning off an iPod. Gee, I wonder why?
Uh, let me make this clearer for you, since you obviously are a little slow. missed the point completely.
Apple also makes a computer system, and it's called the Macintosh! It's really fancy, and they just released a new version of their OS, and they are trying to get into the corporate market!! Wow! Isn't that the roxx0rs?!?!?!1!
If Apple were to gain even more popular with the crowd that implements hardware in corporations, maybe they'd sell more hardware to them. They can start that goodwill with some simple mods in iTunes.
You know, for a company that has gained A LOT of support and respect from the/. type, they really ought to spend the 59 seconds necessary to have iTunes support FLAC and OGG. Seriously, you know how many people they'd make happy?
And if the iPod itself supported those codecs, I wonder how many more they'd sell to this crowd? (This crowd, by the way, being the ones who provide recommendations to the people who sign the checks to buy IT equipment for corporations worldwide.)
If your version is X.Y.z then X is the major version, and Y is your minor version. Even Ys are releases and odd Ys are development releases. That's why Gnome releases, like Linux releases, are 2.2, 2.4, 2.6...
If Tiger is merely a "Service Pack," and Microsoft just released this "amazing" XPSP2, then how come the majority of the features in Tiger, namely Dashboard and Spotlight, won't be available until the next MAJOR release of Windows?
These features are not Service Pack level features, and if they were, God bless em, Microsoft would have ripped them off and crammed them into XP by now.
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I couldn't help but think of how bad that was, and how embarassed I'd be to have it on the internet. Paradoxically, at the same time, it sounds EXACTLY like something my friends and I would have done and I got a real kick out of it. Then I send the link to about 5 people.
That means everyone has to update their client software...AGAIN. They just forced millions of people to upgrade, and now they do the same thing...again!?
How come when Microsoft tries to stop supporting, say, Windows 98 or VB6 like 8 years after release, everyone goes nuts, but you'd easily suggest Apple updates a core app used by millions of DESKTOP users TWICE, both times freezing them out of the service in the meantime, without batting an eyelash?
YOUR reasoning is faulty, I'm afraid. Linux has significant market share. None of the others do. If I wrote my own OS today, would I expect Apple to write a client for it? No. But I might expect to write a client for an OS gaining market share rapidly.
I know a LOT of people who use alternative OSes. I know NONE who use HP-UX, OS/2, Plan9, or GNU/Hurd as their OS. Shit, why not add in IRIX, Dynix, VMS, AIX... I think even RMS uses Debian. If you said SkyOS, Syllable, ReactOS, etc, maybe I'd buy that, but even those aren't excluding a large customer base. Anyone using BeOS or Solaris knows there are certain things they have to go elsewhere for.
For the record, a Linux client could be made to run on the BSDs and Solaris too (like XFCE does).
Ok people, let's review the facts, since most people don't seem to know or read...
1. DVD Jon lives in Norway, where the majority of this stuff, including the release of DeCSS which breaks DVD encoding, is illegal. The court case failed.
2. Nobody broke Apple's DRM. All this does is retreive the music before the iTunes client adds the DRM. How is this possible? Apple's iTunes client adds the DRM because it needs the client to generate the key. Doing it any other way would likely be a tremendous processor increase on the iTunes servers.
3. Apple can sue DVD Jon if they choose, but it will likely do no good.
The way I see it, there's only one safe path for Apple. They should release an iTunes client for Linux along with a statement that any further attempt to block their DRM will be followed up with a lawsuit. Sure, the lawsuit part is either a bluff or a waste of time, but at least they eliminate the "It's just so we can run on Linux" argument.
Everyone here has given you what I believe is bad advice. Let me tell you a few things I know to be good advice.
1) Never burn your bridges. You never know who you'll cross paths with again. 2) What goes around, comes around. 3) Never confuse your coworkers for your friends.
What does that mean? If you have the flexibility and they haven't treated you like shit - charge them your salary divided by 2080 (per hour) and stay. You're out the door. They can't say anything bad about you, and if one day, one of these people shows up in another interview or a company you're interviewing for, guess what they will remember about you? Yep, how you DIDN'T screw them.
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I appreciate that, but I also think that I, and probably several Slashdotters, would love to be able to have Vorbis files, Shorten files, and FLAC files in my iTunes library, regardless of whether or not they can be transferred to my iPod.
I appreciate that - and I appreciated your point. Wow - someone mod this up - Slashdotters uniting after a minor flamefest!
Oh my. You are relentless.
Does a billboard on the highway influence you?
Does a TV commercial?
How about nifty applications like F-spot?
Are you jazzed by new themes on your distro of choice?
How do you feel about magazine ads?
Same thing. It's called advertising. And virtually all commercial companies do it. Companies do it to create goodwill and "push" customers to examine their product. They do it to create a warm, fuzzy feeling about their brand name. They do it to inspire trust, and to establish their name.
So the more you like Apple, in theory, the more likely you are to entertain Apple as a solution. This is not rocket science. *I* think that by adding support for these kinds of formats, there's no downside - those who don't use it won't notice and those that do will love it, and conceivably be more positive and open minded about Apple in general.
It's not a direct "I like FLAC in iTunes so I'll simply use OS X" relationship, despite your fanatic need to make it so.
I'm done.
There are no IT managers who would support a platform change to Mac OS X if only Apple would support FLAC and OGG on the iPod.
Inroads, my friend. Cause ya gotta start somewhere, and being the flavor of the week ain't so bad. How many fanboys here have begun buying IBM hardware since they became Linux's bestest big brother?
Don't underestimate the OS X/Apple hardware marketing that can be done with "consumer products" like the iPod.
If you doubt me, go to ANY tech trade show - Citrix, Linux, VoIP, etc. Nearly every vendor is auctioning off an iPod. Gee, I wonder why?
If not, at least iTunes does. Any machine that can decode vorbis files without iTunes I have to assume can decode them from within iTunes.
Uh, let me make this clearer for you, since you obviously are a little slow. missed the point completely.
Apple also makes a computer system, and it's called the Macintosh! It's really fancy, and they just released a new version of their OS, and they are trying to get into the corporate market!! Wow! Isn't that the roxx0rs?!?!?!1!
If Apple were to gain even more popular with the crowd that implements hardware in corporations, maybe they'd sell more hardware to them. They can start that goodwill with some simple mods in iTunes.
You know, for a company that has gained A LOT of support and respect from the /. type, they really ought to spend the 59 seconds necessary to have iTunes support FLAC and OGG. Seriously, you know how many people they'd make happy?
And if the iPod itself supported those codecs, I wonder how many more they'd sell to this crowd? (This crowd, by the way, being the ones who provide recommendations to the people who sign the checks to buy IT equipment for corporations worldwide.)
Firefox 1.2 won't be compliant, because there will never be a 1.2. The roadmap specifically details the release schedule: 1.1, 1.5, 2.0.
Then you would have completely missed the joke...
Eh.... they do. *Exactly* like Linux.
If your version is X.Y.z then X is the major version, and Y is your minor version. Even Ys are releases and odd Ys are development releases. That's why Gnome releases, like Linux releases, are 2.2, 2.4, 2.6...
If Tiger is merely a "Service Pack," and Microsoft just released this "amazing" XPSP2, then how come the majority of the features in Tiger, namely Dashboard and Spotlight, won't be available until the next MAJOR release of Windows?
These features are not Service Pack level features, and if they were, God bless em, Microsoft would have ripped them off and crammed them into XP by now.
Let me sum up this entire thread so far and everything that will eventually be added for you:
FLAC blah blah blah. Blah blah Monkey's Audio. Blah blah FLAC blah. Blah blah SHN! Blah. WAV. Blah blah OptimFROG blah blah blah. Blah blah. WMA. WMA?! Blah! Monkey's Audio blah. Blah blah FLAC.
There you go: FLAC.
I couldn't help but think of how bad that was, and how embarassed I'd be to have it on the internet. Paradoxically, at the same time, it sounds EXACTLY like something my friends and I would have done and I got a real kick out of it. Then I send the link to about 5 people.
Thanks for sharing.
Eh... how about apt-get remove gnome-desktop?
Not entirely sure, but it shouldn't be terribly difficult.
It's not exactly all that painful. You could just have gone to a command like and typed:
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
Then you'd have Kubuntu-current.
Can we get an idea of turnout?
Were there 106 install-fests attended by 212 people, the two guys hosting each installfest?
it's running in VMWare.
Zeta creates volumes as BFS by default.
There's nothing BeOS about PalmOS except the people that wrote it.
You should've mentioned which school you attend. Then we can sick the Slashbots on them and watch them respond to the traffic AND the PR it generates.
"Suchansuch State not open source friendly!"
"Unnamed U against technology!"
"U of XXXX IT Dept found incompetent!"
That means everyone has to update their client software...AGAIN. They just forced millions of people to upgrade, and now they do the same thing...again!?
How come when Microsoft tries to stop supporting, say, Windows 98 or VB6 like 8 years after release, everyone goes nuts, but you'd easily suggest Apple updates a core app used by millions of DESKTOP users TWICE, both times freezing them out of the service in the meantime, without batting an eyelash?
That was a typo. I meant to say it is NOT illegal.
YOUR reasoning is faulty, I'm afraid. Linux has significant market share. None of the others do. If I wrote my own OS today, would I expect Apple to write a client for it? No. But I might expect to write a client for an OS gaining market share rapidly.
I know a LOT of people who use alternative OSes. I know NONE who use HP-UX, OS/2, Plan9, or GNU/Hurd as their OS. Shit, why not add in IRIX, Dynix, VMS, AIX... I think even RMS uses Debian. If you said SkyOS, Syllable, ReactOS, etc, maybe I'd buy that, but even those aren't excluding a large customer base. Anyone using BeOS or Solaris knows there are certain things they have to go elsewhere for.
For the record, a Linux client could be made to run on the BSDs and Solaris too (like XFCE does).
Ok people, let's review the facts, since most people don't seem to know or read...
1. DVD Jon lives in Norway, where the majority of this stuff, including the release of DeCSS which breaks DVD encoding, is illegal. The court case failed.
2. Nobody broke Apple's DRM. All this does is retreive the music before the iTunes client adds the DRM. How is this possible? Apple's iTunes client adds the DRM because it needs the client to generate the key. Doing it any other way would likely be a tremendous processor increase on the iTunes servers.
3. Apple can sue DVD Jon if they choose, but it will likely do no good.
The way I see it, there's only one safe path for Apple. They should release an iTunes client for Linux along with a statement that any further attempt to block their DRM will be followed up with a lawsuit. Sure, the lawsuit part is either a bluff or a waste of time, but at least they eliminate the "It's just so we can run on Linux" argument.
Everyone here has given you what I believe is bad advice. Let me tell you a few things I know to be good advice.
1) Never burn your bridges. You never know who you'll cross paths with again.
2) What goes around, comes around.
3) Never confuse your coworkers for your friends.
What does that mean? If you have the flexibility and they haven't treated you like shit - charge them your salary divided by 2080 (per hour) and stay. You're out the door. They can't say anything bad about you, and if one day, one of these people shows up in another interview or a company you're interviewing for, guess what they will remember about you? Yep, how you DIDN'T screw them.
You'll note my reply to myself where I said that 192.168 is class C.
Explain to me why *I'm* the problem with routers? Because a post to Slashdot didn't include that specific information? Whatever.