. There's really no reason why it would be very public - the site would get blocked very quickly, but it's trivial to put up another one, even automatically.
If it's not "very public" how are you going to get enough suckers to solve your captchas? You need a lot of exposure. Actually, a real porn site with the same hit rate could probably make more money from ads; and the captcha solving would just detract from that. Another reason this doesn't seem to have happened in reality.
* Problem with Spam traffic from India and China? Fine. Make a declaration internet traffic from those countries will be served from the Internet within 21 days unless all Spam activity ceases.
Ever heard of proxies?
Also, have a look at the ROKSO list. Most spam originates in the USA. They may route it through Russia or China or Korea, but its source is the USA. Block China, say, and next week it'll be coming via Brazil, or.... faster than you can reconfigure.
If the USA wants to take decisive action, something the government has actively avoided doing, it could shut down spammers in a week. How many spammers have been prosecuted and gone to jail? It's big news when they do, but only a handful have been prosecuted. The feds just don't care enough to build cases, even when the evidence is handed to them. Only if AOL or Microsoft push does anything happen.
Spammers have to make money. Credit card companies do that for them, and they are all based in the USA. As for the pump-and-dump spammers, that's a bit harder, but the stock exchanges should be able to block suspicious activity based on that. Thay don't care now because it's just foolish home investors losing money when they try to "take advantage" of the tips.
The way they've worked around it probably goes like this: "Free pr0n sets! See more of this hot chick! We don't want automated downloads of these sets, so you need to solve this code to get the download.
People keep suggesting this. It might work, but no one has ever, to my knowledge, put it into practice. And by its nature, this would be pretty public. So if you don't have a URL, this is just an urban legend.
Actually, I think if put into practice, it would itself be attacked by anti-spammers. They'd try to poison the OCR; do DDOS, etc. In a short time it would be useless.
Simpler just to pay some computer sweatshop in Bangladesh, Manila, etc who could crank out hundreds per hour for a few cents.
The Pirate Bay was very well aware of these torrents and that people were complaining about them, but chose not to remove them. They have removed them now that the matter has gotten them into this much trouble. If they had done so in the first place we wouldn't have this mess.
They brought it on themselves by standing on their rights. How foolish of them to expect they could trust the law to protect and not persecute them. They should have known that once the mark of Satan was painted on them they had no rights.
If the busybodies who complained about this "content", whatever it was (and none of you has bothered to say, it's apparently so disgusting that you can't describe it) had organised a boycott, fine. But instead the police have threatened to cut a site off from the whole country. So I ask you again, should the police be acting to enforce morality without regard for the law? There is no reason the same process couldn't be used to block gay sites, religious sites; any group that excites a number of vociferous holier-than-thous to pressure them.
Then why can't you just ignore the content you feel is objectionable?
Because I am opposed to girls being exploited for the gratification of pedophiles?
An excellent cause. But what does that have to do with blocking a torrent site?
If it's not illegal, it's none of the Police's business. So the police are making moral judgements and enforcing sanctions against behaviour they don't like? Is this the Taleban, or Alabama?
Holy cow! Over twice as many males as females in the UAE? Where the hell are all their women going?
I don't know about the UAE, but India and China both have large imbalances (up to 20% in some areas). There it's due to doing ultrasound exams and aborting females, because of the perceived higher costs of raising a daughter and giving her a dowry, or China's one-child policy. Those that can't afford ultrasound may just smother a female baby so they can try for a son.
It's mostly young girls being exploited by their parents to pose for "model" shots, which are apparently specifically for pedophiles to enjoy.
By "model" shots I presume you mean they are not naked, and the pictures are legal, and by "exploited" I assume you mean you find htem disquieting. Or were they being assaulted? Bound and gagged? Forced to perform sexual acts?
If the police had a case, they wouldn't be blocking Pirate Bay, they'd be trying to find the sources of the images and busting through their doors.
Then why can't you just ignore the content you feel is objectionable?
Because I am opposed to girls being exploited for the gratification of pedophiles?
If there were indeed girls being exploited, why the hell don't the police investigate that instead of trying to hide the evidence by blocking PB?
This is closing the barn door a month after the horse has bolted; (if indeed there was a horse; I've yet to see any evidence there was) it does NOTHING to protect children.
From what I've read in comments across the net, lots of people have been bothered by this material, and have complained to the admins, who have chosen to do nothing about it. So yes, ample opportunity.
Well,I'm sorry, could you explain just exactly what "this material" is? Because I don't have a clue either.
And it's a Torrent site, FFS. They don't "host" any of the images, videos or whatever it is you're complaining about. If any of it was kiddie porn, or whatever it is you're on about, the torrent would allow any interested party to determine the uploader's IP (easily spoofed, but it could be a start). Deleting a torrent is pretty pointless anyway. If it's s police matter (and not just RIAA assholes making up complaints) thay want to find the source of the images, who made them. That's when the real crime was committed, Stopping a 10th generation copy from being torrented may make you feel virtuous, but does nothing to protect anyone from exploitation.
But in the above, I have fallen into the same trap of assuming there was real kiddie porn, as you seem to imply, and not just collections of cheerleaders showing their panties, or girls on the beach that some busybody was afraid might overexcite "a pedophile".
Why is this story linked to Degadget, a "site" stuffed full of Google ads, which just repeats the story from ThinkSecret, which doesn't even get a link?
By doing so Slashdot rewards these parasites with millions of hits, earning them a tidy sum for their plaigiarism. ThinkSecret has ads too, but they dig up their stories, not just copy and paste them from other sites.
Making life less pleasant for ephebephiles sounds fair to me.
Exactly. So if you want to fuck with someone, you label them as a pedophile (sorry, I can't spell ephebophile either), then no one dares to stand up for them.
As evidenced by this mess they have gotten themselves into. They really have nobody to blame but themselves, because they had ample opportunity to avoid this situation.
Ample opportunity? If we can believe TFA:
UPDATE: A press release from the police (soon published, I got the heads up again from a journalist) states that its not decided that well put The Pirate Bay in the list - if the content is still there next week well put them there. So, come on! What fucking content are you talking about? Still not a single contact attempt from the police.
They were tracking torrents of stuff like "underange teen model pics". Maybe legal, maybe not, definitely very, very creepy.
But as you said, legal. There are lots of websites with galleries of that kind of stuff. If you want to ban sites because they make you feel uneasy, you're a long way down the slippery slope.
Or are you calling it hypocrisy because Consumerist calls it stealing, while Slashdot (often, perhaps even generally) doesn't?
The title SLASHDOT editors used for this story is "Consumerist Catches Geek Squad Stealing Porn". Now this is just copying (or stealing?) the title Consumerist used, but whether through laziness or intent, "Slashdot" has indeed endorsed the use of the term "steal" to describe copying of a file. (A file that iteslf was not purchased.) Or perhaps by "Slashdot" you meant to refer to the great unwashed posters, rather than the "editors"?
and therefore choose the esthetic and structurally superior sealed case over the ability to easily replace the battery,
Define "sealed". See iphone/opening. The problem is not opening the case, it's that the battery is soldered in. No doubt one could argue that soldered joins are more reliable than a clip.
In any case, I expect DIY battery kits will be available in a few months, for half the cost of an official Apple job.
If a pub owner person wants to allow smoking and attracts those clients, then they shouldn't be legally prohibited. You're more than welcome to use the one across the street that has a no smoking sign in the window.
Right. Except, in practice, there were hardly any pubs that were non-smoking, because none of the bar owners wanted to chance alienating any smokers. I would have drank a lot more beer if I could go out without a few hours later having aching eyeballs and stinking clothes from the clouds of smoke in every single bar I ever went to.
TV is OK, but the Internet is evil. Even if they show the same exact content.
Not to mention books. Half the best-seller list seems to be serial killer related. Often including graphic depicions of torture, murder, rape, etc. Consider Thomas Harris's Hannibal books. Or Bret Easton Ellis's "American Psycho". And of course slasher movies, "Saw", Hostel", etc recently. Most people can read, or watch a movie, about something horrible without feeling the urge to imitate it.
Almost as silly as "Turk in Turkey", is "Beijing kept the number one spot for malware, followed by Wattleup, Australia, at 3.7 percent"??? Wattleup? That exists, all right. It's a suburb of Perth with a population of 8443. Must be all spammers, each with a rack of servers they tend after they've settled the sheep down for the night.
What a load of crap. So how reliable is the "China == virus capital of the universe" conclusion all the xenophobes are hyperventilating about here? Perhaps Beijing is the sweetspot now, increasing connectivity, lots of unsecured PCs. But the source is very likely elsewhere, (Moscow? Florida?) and will switch in a minute if conditions change.
I cut myself last year. It wasn't particularly deep, but it scared me enough from the huge gash it left behind....I got a bill for $3000. I got this bill because I was uninsured.
Last Saturday I slipped over while taking out the garbage in the rain, a few grazes and the top of my lip was cut open on a concrete stair. A few hours later it was still dripping blood, so I went to the public hospital, a nurse triaged me as "semi-urgent", waited 90 minutes and a doctor spent a couple of minutes checking me out then passd me to some nurses who cleaned the wound and glued it closed and gave me a tetanus shot. Total cost HK$100 = US$12. Strangely enough, Hong Kong, bastion of capitalism, no minimum wage, has a pretty comprehensive public health system. The tycoons realised that a healthy workforce was a productive workforce. Probably having the Plague, Malaria and TB here in the 19th C underlined the benefits of universal health care.
AllOfMP3 was operating on a broadcasting licence. They were exploiting a loophole in Russian law and they knew it.
A "loophole" is an interpretation of the law that you don't like. The problem is that traditional law doesn't easlily apply to a purely digital download. Laws talk about "copies", originally understood to be physical media, like sheet music, vinyl discs, etc. Music companies have tried to apply that law to digital media, thus suing people for "possession" or "publishing" of a work because of a temporary version of it is stored in computer memory. That interpretation of "copy" seems to be a larger "loophole" to me than defining an Internet download as a "broadcast". The laws applying to broadcasting, and specifically the compulsory licensing that many countries, like the USA, allow for this format, seems a better fit than laws defined in the days of wax cylinders.
GMail storage anyone? It lets you use your GMails many GB's of storage as a network drive.
Not the same thing. You can't share that unless you give everyone your password. If I just want to store stuff for myself, I have DVD sneakernet.
Yahoo has a "Briefcase" for filesharing, but it's total is just 30 MB. Presumably after MS goes online they'll up that, as they did total mail storage when GMail came. So even though I probably won't use it, I welcome MS's entry.
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If it's not "very public" how are you going to get enough suckers to solve your captchas? You need a lot of exposure. Actually, a real porn site with the same hit rate could probably make more money from ads; and the captcha solving would just detract from that. Another reason this doesn't seem to have happened in reality.
Ever heard of proxies?
Also, have a look at the ROKSO list. Most spam originates in the USA. They may route it through Russia or China or Korea, but its source is the USA. Block China, say, and next week it'll be coming via Brazil, or .... faster than you can reconfigure.
If the USA wants to take decisive action, something the government has actively avoided doing, it could shut down spammers in a week. How many spammers have been prosecuted and gone to jail? It's big news when they do, but only a handful have been prosecuted. The feds just don't care enough to build cases, even when the evidence is handed to them. Only if AOL or Microsoft push does anything happen.
Spammers have to make money. Credit card companies do that for them, and they are all based in the USA. As for the pump-and-dump spammers, that's a bit harder, but the stock exchanges should be able to block suspicious activity based on that. Thay don't care now because it's just foolish home investors losing money when they try to "take advantage" of the tips.
People keep suggesting this. It might work, but no one has ever, to my knowledge, put it into practice. And by its nature, this would be pretty public. So if you don't have a URL, this is just an urban legend.
Actually, I think if put into practice, it would itself be attacked by anti-spammers. They'd try to poison the OCR; do DDOS, etc. In a short time it would be useless.
Simpler just to pay some computer sweatshop in Bangladesh, Manila, etc who could crank out hundreds per hour for a few cents.
They brought it on themselves by standing on their rights. How foolish of them to expect they could trust the law to protect and not persecute them. They should have known that once the mark of Satan was painted on them they had no rights.
If the busybodies who complained about this "content", whatever it was (and none of you has bothered to say, it's apparently so disgusting that you can't describe it) had organised a boycott, fine. But instead the police have threatened to cut a site off from the whole country. So I ask you again, should the police be acting to enforce morality without regard for the law? There is no reason the same process couldn't be used to block gay sites, religious sites; any group that excites a number of vociferous holier-than-thous to pressure them.
Because I am opposed to girls being exploited for the gratification of pedophiles?
An excellent cause. But what does that have to do with blocking a torrent site?
If it's not illegal, it's none of the Police's business. So the police are making moral judgements and enforcing sanctions against behaviour they don't like? Is this the Taleban, or Alabama?
I don't know about the UAE, but India and China both have large imbalances (up to 20% in some areas). There it's due to doing ultrasound exams and aborting females, because of the perceived higher costs of raising a daughter and giving her a dowry, or China's one-child policy. Those that can't afford ultrasound may just smother a female baby so they can try for a son.
By "model" shots I presume you mean they are not naked, and the pictures are legal, and by "exploited" I assume you mean you find htem disquieting. Or were they being assaulted? Bound and gagged? Forced to perform sexual acts?
If the police had a case, they wouldn't be blocking Pirate Bay, they'd be trying to find the sources of the images and busting through their doors.
Because I am opposed to girls being exploited for the gratification of pedophiles?
If there were indeed girls being exploited, why the hell don't the police investigate that instead of trying to hide the evidence by blocking PB?
This is closing the barn door a month after the horse has bolted; (if indeed there was a horse; I've yet to see any evidence there was) it does NOTHING to protect children.
They clearly state they're rumours. Still better than plaigiarising.
Well,I'm sorry, could you explain just exactly what "this material" is? Because I don't have a clue either.
And it's a Torrent site, FFS. They don't "host" any of the images, videos or whatever it is you're complaining about. If any of it was kiddie porn, or whatever it is you're on about, the torrent would allow any interested party to determine the uploader's IP (easily spoofed, but it could be a start). Deleting a torrent is pretty pointless anyway. If it's s police matter (and not just RIAA assholes making up complaints) thay want to find the source of the images, who made them. That's when the real crime was committed, Stopping a 10th generation copy from being torrented may make you feel virtuous, but does nothing to protect anyone from exploitation.
But in the above, I have fallen into the same trap of assuming there was real kiddie porn, as you seem to imply, and not just collections of cheerleaders showing their panties, or girls on the beach that some busybody was afraid might overexcite "a pedophile".
By doing so Slashdot rewards these parasites with millions of hits, earning them a tidy sum for their plaigiarism. ThinkSecret has ads too, but they dig up their stories, not just copy and paste them from other sites.
Exactly. So if you want to fuck with someone, you label them as a pedophile (sorry, I can't spell ephebophile either), then no one dares to stand up for them.
Ample opportunity? If we can believe TFA:
But as you said, legal. There are lots of websites with galleries of that kind of stuff. If you want to ban sites because they make you feel uneasy, you're a long way down the slippery slope.
The title SLASHDOT editors used for this story is "Consumerist Catches Geek Squad Stealing Porn". Now this is just copying (or stealing?) the title Consumerist used, but whether through laziness or intent, "Slashdot" has indeed endorsed the use of the term "steal" to describe copying of a file. (A file that iteslf was not purchased.) Or perhaps by "Slashdot" you meant to refer to the great unwashed posters, rather than the "editors"?
Define "sealed". See iphone/opening. The problem is not opening the case, it's that the battery is soldered in. No doubt one could argue that soldered joins are more reliable than a clip.
In any case, I expect DIY battery kits will be available in a few months, for half the cost of an official Apple job.
Right. Except, in practice, there were hardly any pubs that were non-smoking, because none of the bar owners wanted to chance alienating any smokers. I would have drank a lot more beer if I could go out without a few hours later having aching eyeballs and stinking clothes from the clouds of smoke in every single bar I ever went to.
Not to mention books. Half the best-seller list seems to be serial killer related. Often including graphic depicions of torture, murder, rape, etc. Consider Thomas Harris's Hannibal books. Or Bret Easton Ellis's "American Psycho". And of course slasher movies, "Saw", Hostel", etc recently. Most people can read, or watch a movie, about something horrible without feeling the urge to imitate it.
What a load of crap. So how reliable is the "China == virus capital of the universe" conclusion all the xenophobes are hyperventilating about here? Perhaps Beijing is the sweetspot now, increasing connectivity, lots of unsecured PCs. But the source is very likely elsewhere, (Moscow? Florida?) and will switch in a minute if conditions change.
Last Saturday I slipped over while taking out the garbage in the rain, a few grazes and the top of my lip was cut open on a concrete stair. A few hours later it was still dripping blood, so I went to the public hospital, a nurse triaged me as "semi-urgent", waited 90 minutes and a doctor spent a couple of minutes checking me out then passd me to some nurses who cleaned the wound and glued it closed and gave me a tetanus shot. Total cost HK$100 = US$12. Strangely enough, Hong Kong, bastion of capitalism, no minimum wage, has a pretty comprehensive public health system. The tycoons realised that a healthy workforce was a productive workforce. Probably having the Plague, Malaria and TB here in the 19th C underlined the benefits of universal health care.
A "loophole" is an interpretation of the law that you don't like. The problem is that traditional law doesn't easlily apply to a purely digital download. Laws talk about "copies", originally understood to be physical media, like sheet music, vinyl discs, etc. Music companies have tried to apply that law to digital media, thus suing people for "possession" or "publishing" of a work because of a temporary version of it is stored in computer memory. That interpretation of "copy" seems to be a larger "loophole" to me than defining an Internet download as a "broadcast". The laws applying to broadcasting, and specifically the compulsory licensing that many countries, like the USA, allow for this format, seems a better fit than laws defined in the days of wax cylinders.
Not the same thing. You can't share that unless you give everyone your password. If I just want to store stuff for myself, I have DVD sneakernet.
Yahoo has a "Briefcase" for filesharing, but it's total is just 30 MB. Presumably after MS goes online they'll up that, as they did total mail storage when GMail came. So even though I probably won't use it, I welcome MS's entry.
They're not dead. They're pining for the fjords.
From the attached icons, something to do with "role playing games", whatever they are.