it's down to the content providers - they can still opt to use cross platform standards.
But if they do WMP and almost everyone has that, many will drop support for other formats. Exactly as many web pages are "optimised for IE", or bounce you to a "Download IE" page if you dont have it.
Regardless, that isn't a monopoly, no one is forced to use IE or WMP, the choice of what to use is there.
That's the argument MS used, but the court didn't buy it. It's not a monopoly NOW, but soon will be, again as IE is, and for the same reasons.
I don't know what kind of bullshit you're looking at, but as part of my job I look closely at magazines, newspapers, brochures, and books every day. I've never seen the sorts of things you describe except in the rarest of cases.
You, like pretty much everybody else in this thread, have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't imagine this stuff. If you don't notice it, you're just not paying attention.
So even with bundled apps, these competitors thrive on even my MS friendly box. How will removing Windows Media Player improve my lot as a consumer? It won't, the best you can hope for is that it will help Real sell some units of their terrible player to an OEM or two.
When 98% of PCs have WMP, there is no need for streaming or downloadable media to use any other format except WM. So in a short time they won't. The EU came to this conclusion. As for the current Real player, yes it's obnoxious. (It wasn't back in version 3 or 4 when it came bundled with Netscape.) People keep harping on this as if they were going to be forced to use Real in its current form. There would be many alternatives, and if Real didn't get more polite it'd quickly slip inot oblivion. Hardly anyone wants to invest in this area now, MS has made it clear they will squeeze out any one who tries.
"This isn't a big novelty; ten years ago PCs came with varied software, not MS everything." - now almost ever PC is connected to the Internet so varied software is just a mouse click away.
As survey afer survey has shown, most users just run what's in the box (aside from viruses, of course). The idea is that ALL alternatives are just a mouseclick away; including WMP.
Personally I don't really get this concentration on audio-visual media on PCs anyway; I have a TV, CD/DVD player, a radio. All give better sound and picture than my PC. I've downloaded a few MP3s, but play them on the stereo.
Periodically my personal (not bulk) mail to AOL addresses (which includes netscape.com) is bounced with an extremely rude message saying that my server has been banned because of "too many complaints about my ISP". There is absolutely no way suggested to get a message through, no email address for enquiries and the webpage referenced doesn't even mention the error number they give. So I call my ISP who say they're dealing with it, and it's fixed a few days later. Then a week later, it happens again. Why don't these arrogant pricks use a whitelist? I'm pretty sure it's email worms from infected users setting off their alarms, is it really so hard to filter these (which always come with an executable attachment anyway).
Open source would be better. We desperately need a decent publishing application on Linux.
They're still selling, and so far haven't cancelled, Frame for Solaris. So one imagines that would port to Linux fairly easily. Don't look for it happening soon though.
Find me a Cyrillic version of Caslon, please. For OpenType: two minutes on the Adobe web site. For TeX, hours of scouring the Internet ultimately ending in failure, because no such font exists.
One minute on Paratype the first Russian type foundry I thought of. Three families of Cyrillic Caslon in TT or T1 for Mac or PC.
No. TeX helped produce thousands of books and so on in the past, but is not up to producing books and so on to the standards of modern print publishing. It just can't do the job, and it's foolish to think that it can.
I haven't noticed much improvement in the standard of books in the last 30 years. (I do work in publishing.) With DTP it's gotten much easier and cheaper though. In fact I see a lot more terrible typesetting and layout now when powerful tools are used by people with no knowledge of how to use them. Just for example, look at current magazines, newspapers, brochures and books. I guarantee every day you'll find straight quotation marks, oblique instead of italic, hyphens instead of dashes, poor indentation, hyphenation, etc. I do most of my work with Ventura for DOS, 15 years old and counting, the quality of my work is better than 90% of what you see from major publishers. I have seriously considered moving to TeX because it's current, extensible and supports a similar code-in-the text layout method.
First of all, they have the option of not selling in Europe. Secondly, Saturday Night Specials have not been legal in the United States for almost 20 years. However, if they were legal in the US, Europe certainly wouldn't have the authority to change that. Ditto for Windows.
Try to understand that American law doesn't apply in Europe, and European law doesn't apply in the US. Unless of course you decide to make a regime change to install a more pliable government, or send troops in to kidnap foreign citizens.
Thirdly, stand on your toes and jokes might not fly over your head as often.
Ah, so you were trolling and not being a moron? Sorry.
I want an OS I pay for to have the ability to browse the internet and play music and video files out of the box,....the last thing I want is Real player popping up messages that I don't want...
The EU wants a version of Windows made for mnaufacturers that does not include the Win media player. If you bought one of these in a shop for home use you'd have the option of no player, the MS one, or maybe WinAmp, Real, etc; all at competitive prices. As for Real's current obnoxious behaviour, in a version that had been paid for by the OEM it would not harass you. The reason it does now is that MSs monopoly has left no room in the market for any competitor. But with WMP unbundled there would be.
This isn't a big novelty; ten years ago PCs came with varied software, not MS everything.
How would they go about doing that, if none are imported? Invade Seattle? That would make for great TV viewing on CNN.
Download them off alt.binaries.warez.cd-image and make their own.
Only half joking. In Singapore a few years ago the government got pissed at a news magazine (may have been the Far Eastern Economic Review) and censored it by cutting out pages befoer allowing them to be sold. The publishers decided they'd rather not distribute there at all in that case. The Singapore govt printed copies (missing the parts they took offence to) and distributed them. Governments can do stuff like that.
The EU has no legal authority over how an American company packages and/or bundles their products.
Of course it does, when they sell them in Europe. American gun manufacturers can't sell their Saturday night specials in Europe just because they're legal in the US.
And in any case, MS has lots of subsidiaries in Europe, they're the ones that would be fined, and ultimately have their assets sold if they didn't pay.
Bill's worst nightmare would be a large MS-free zone that would breed competing software. He'll delay as long as possible, but will comply rather than abandon the EU market.
I was responding to someone who wrote "The algorithm is working as well as it's supposed to." Which in cases such as I pointed out, it isn't. So I wasn't saying they aren't doing a great job, only that they have more to do.
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I think you forgot about inflation. All you need is one or two decades with double digit inflation like we had in the 70's and you'll be lucky if the "real dollars" break even.
But when there is inflation, interest rates rise. Back in the 70s I had some money in a Housing Society account, earning 17% p.a. You could get rates almost as good from term deposits in banks. Now my savings account is earning about 0.5%.
imagine the record companies shelling out billions to replace CDs because of natural deterioration.
Even in the unlikely event of this becoming law, they'd be able to charge a "reasonable" charge to cover duplication, shipping, handling, etc. Pay at least $5 per disk, do paperwork, and you'd have to return your old one. So not a lot of people would bother.
With all due respect, I care a *lot* more about what the Supreme Court says on the matter
If you read the case summary (linked in a previous post) you find how a judge looked at some dictionaries and asked some fruit and vegetable vendors for their opinions. He did not ask any scientists. I think if a modern judge were to hear this case he'd give rather more weight to scientists specialising in thse plants. After all, we all know that judges can make some pretty dumb determinations when it comes to science or technlogy.
The algorithm is working as well as it's supposed to. People are generating content in the sense that they are posting an opinion on the web about Michael Moore and the search term. Why is that Google's problem?
It's not a real problem in this specific case. But the same methods are used by any number of jerks promoting their websites (particularly porn) who create link farms with likely search terms all pointing to their page.
This would be somewhat similar to the pressures exerted onto a lump of coal to create diamons, every piece of matter has alot of airspace between its atoms, the great force created here is simply squeezing some of it out creating a denser object.
I guess I don't understand how a material can be squeezed inward without affecting its density. same mass in smaller volume = greater density, right?
same mass in smaller area = greater thickness
Get some play-doh. Make a cylinder. Squeeze it. Now the diameter is smaller, but it's longer. Conversely, make a disk. Slap it. Now it's got a larger area but is thinner.
In all cases volume and density are unchanged. Unless you push it through a phase transition to a stable denser state, like carbon to diamond, when the pressure is removed it will rebound to the same volume, if not shape.
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But if they do WMP and almost everyone has that, many will drop support for other formats. Exactly as many web pages are "optimised for IE", or bounce you to a "Download IE" page if you dont have it.
Regardless, that isn't a monopoly, no one is forced to use IE or WMP, the choice of what to use is there.
That's the argument MS used, but the court didn't buy it. It's not a monopoly NOW, but soon will be, again as IE is, and for the same reasons.
Yes you can.
Using TrueType fonts with TeX and pdfTeX
he Simple Guide to Type 1 Fonts in LATEX
(Also... MAN those are ugly.)
The guy asked for Cyrillic Caslon, that's it.
I don't imagine this stuff. If you don't notice it, you're just not paying attention.
When 98% of PCs have WMP, there is no need for streaming or downloadable media to use any other format except WM. So in a short time they won't. The EU came to this conclusion. As for the current Real player, yes it's obnoxious. (It wasn't back in version 3 or 4 when it came bundled with Netscape.) People keep harping on this as if they were going to be forced to use Real in its current form. There would be many alternatives, and if Real didn't get more polite it'd quickly slip inot oblivion. Hardly anyone wants to invest in this area now, MS has made it clear they will squeeze out any one who tries.
"This isn't a big novelty; ten years ago PCs came with varied software, not MS everything." - now almost ever PC is connected to the Internet so varied software is just a mouse click away.
As survey afer survey has shown, most users just run what's in the box (aside from viruses, of course). The idea is that ALL alternatives are just a mouseclick away; including WMP.
Personally I don't really get this concentration on audio-visual media on PCs anyway; I have a TV, CD/DVD player, a radio. All give better sound and picture than my PC. I've downloaded a few MP3s, but play them on the stereo.
I have no control of *my* ISP's policies and no choice in my area.
Periodically my personal (not bulk) mail to AOL addresses (which includes netscape.com) is bounced with an extremely rude message saying that my server has been banned because of "too many complaints about my ISP". There is absolutely no way suggested to get a message through, no email address for enquiries and the webpage referenced doesn't even mention the error number they give. So I call my ISP who say they're dealing with it, and it's fixed a few days later. Then a week later, it happens again. Why don't these arrogant pricks use a whitelist? I'm pretty sure it's email worms from infected users setting off their alarms, is it really so hard to filter these (which always come with an executable attachment anyway).
They're still selling, and so far haven't cancelled, Frame for Solaris. So one imagines that would port to Linux fairly easily. Don't look for it happening soon though.
One minute on Paratype the first Russian type foundry I thought of. Three families of Cyrillic Caslon in TT or T1 for Mac or PC.
I haven't noticed much improvement in the standard of books in the last 30 years. (I do work in publishing.) With DTP it's gotten much easier and cheaper though. In fact I see a lot more terrible typesetting and layout now when powerful tools are used by people with no knowledge of how to use them. Just for example, look at current magazines, newspapers, brochures and books. I guarantee every day you'll find straight quotation marks, oblique instead of italic, hyphens instead of dashes, poor indentation, hyphenation, etc. I do most of my work with Ventura for DOS, 15 years old and counting, the quality of my work is better than 90% of what you see from major publishers. I have seriously considered moving to TeX because it's current, extensible and supports a similar code-in-the text layout method.
Try to understand that American law doesn't apply in Europe, and European law doesn't apply in the US. Unless of course you decide to make a regime change to install a more pliable government, or send troops in to kidnap foreign citizens.
Thirdly, stand on your toes and jokes might not fly over your head as often.
Ah, so you were trolling and not being a moron? Sorry.
The EU wants a version of Windows made for mnaufacturers that does not include the Win media player. If you bought one of these in a shop for home use you'd have the option of no player, the MS one, or maybe WinAmp, Real, etc; all at competitive prices. As for Real's current obnoxious behaviour, in a version that had been paid for by the OEM it would not harass you. The reason it does now is that MSs monopoly has left no room in the market for any competitor. But with WMP unbundled there would be.
This isn't a big novelty; ten years ago PCs came with varied software, not MS everything.
Download them off alt.binaries.warez.cd-image and make their own.
Only half joking. In Singapore a few years ago the government got pissed at a news magazine (may have been the Far Eastern Economic Review) and censored it by cutting out pages befoer allowing them to be sold. The publishers decided they'd rather not distribute there at all in that case. The Singapore govt printed copies (missing the parts they took offence to) and distributed them. Governments can do stuff like that.
Of course it does, when they sell them in Europe. American gun manufacturers can't sell their Saturday night specials in Europe just because they're legal in the US.
And in any case, MS has lots of subsidiaries in Europe, they're the ones that would be fined, and ultimately have their assets sold if they didn't pay.
Bill's worst nightmare would be a large MS-free zone that would breed competing software. He'll delay as long as possible, but will comply rather than abandon the EU market.
I was responding to someone who wrote "The algorithm is working as well as it's supposed to." Which in cases such as I pointed out, it isn't. So I wasn't saying they aren't doing a great job, only that they have more to do.
But when there is inflation, interest rates rise. Back in the 70s I had some money in a Housing Society account, earning 17% p.a. You could get rates almost as good from term deposits in banks. Now my savings account is earning about 0.5%.
Even in the unlikely event of this becoming law, they'd be able to charge a "reasonable" charge to cover duplication, shipping, handling, etc. Pay at least $5 per disk, do paperwork, and you'd have to return your old one. So not a lot of people would bother.
If you read the case summary (linked in a previous post) you find how a judge looked at some dictionaries and asked some fruit and vegetable vendors for their opinions. He did not ask any scientists. I think if a modern judge were to hear this case he'd give rather more weight to scientists specialising in thse plants. After all, we all know that judges can make some pretty dumb determinations when it comes to science or technlogy.
Wopps, typo in the link (though it's the first hit): Trend Micro: PE_BAGLE.Q - Description and solution.
Anyway, just Google for "bagle q" to get more info. A nice deconstruction of how it actually works is at Trend Micro.
Some browsers have this as a toggle setting. For a one-off, just copy the link, open a new window, paste it. (Try "ctrl-C ctrl-N ctrl-V") No referrer.
Here's a German site with a demo download, and a bunch of screenshots.
It's not a real problem in this specific case. But the same methods are used by any number of jerks promoting their websites (particularly porn) who create link farms with likely search terms all pointing to their page.
All of the above is completely wrong.
same mass in smaller area = greater thickness
Get some play-doh. Make a cylinder. Squeeze it. Now the diameter is smaller, but it's longer. Conversely, make a disk. Slap it. Now it's got a larger area but is thinner.
In all cases volume and density are unchanged. Unless you push it through a phase transition to a stable denser state, like carbon to diamond, when the pressure is removed it will rebound to the same volume, if not shape.