Not a Troll, I seriously wanted to know the answers to those questions. I really appreciate your response, as it really helps me understand the political issues surrounding cryptography.
If someone doesn't know, don't assume to be a troll, they may be like me who just haven't been involved in the issue.
Despite popular opinion and marketing, the internet is not for everybody. Use at your own risk. If you don't understand what all the risks involved you shouldn't be using it.
For those that continue to tread in dangerous waters, and don't have a clue that their NT desktop at home installed and started a webserver.. too bad, Natural Selection baby;)
I disagree with the "What should an ISP care". They care alot. Bandwidth and network performance is important (unless your a monopoly and don't care). They deal with their respective users as they see fit. If the customer doesn't like it, go elsewhere.
Thou I am disappointed, my codered/nim. page was getting good;)
What's this talk of bringing these terrorists to justice? This isn't a criminal act, yet I keep seeing posts as if we are talking about a crackhead killing the corner convienance store clerk.
So let me get this straight this is how the cycle is supposed to go...
1. Terrorists kill 5000 people
2. We spend millions to hunt them down, beg countries to extradite.
3. Try them and imprison them..
4. Live in a police state, with soldiers guarding every corner
5. goto step 1.
Another poster said the only thing to stop this was..
a. eradication (yes this will work)
b. forgiveness.. how the hell is forgiveness going to stop this? Ok we forgive you, but since we don't agree with your beliefs, and just maybe have a different opinion.. BAM! we get hit again.
You are incorrect in stating, "this involves only a relatively small amount of people"
An act as complex, and well coordinated as this is definetely state sponsered, and I would venture to reason by more than one.
This was not a "crime" of terrorism, this was an act of war. Past actions of tracking down individuals, and bringing them before a court has not and will not work. Sending a terrorist to prison for 20 years, isn't going to deter his peers that are willing to crash a plane filled with passengers.
If a movement within the U.S. openly supported roaming streets and shooting children, would we only arrest those who fired the gun? Or would we track down all those involved with the group.
Same with terrorism, it is not a crime, it is an act of war. Terrorists and those sympathic and supportive such acts, should be eradicated from this planet as they have nothing to offer but hate and death of innocents.
Just a note, as of yet the cameras have not caught one criminal, however to date the cameras have produced 5 false positives.
Secondly, understand that Tampa tries to portray itself as Metro and Retro, but I'm convinced the Mayor and City Councel transferred from Mayberry. Remember, we're in the same state that can't correctly punch a hole in a f**king card.
Lemme get this straight, all these organizations are petitioning the Governement to do something about MicroSoft abusing consumer privacy. When in fact that is not totally accurate. MicroSoft is actually taking advantage/abusing consumer stupidity, nothing more... nothing less. Mindless sheep that happily click "I agree" thru pages of EULA's without a thought. I don't blame MicroSoft I blame the people. People with the right to vote, that don't use it. People who bitch about DCMA in message boards, but won't take 5 minutes to call their Congressman or Senator.
I have a novel concept, do what I do.. you think Passport and XP are crap. DON'T USE IT!
The best is when you select "Workstation" install and get like three textbased newsreaders, that never get used.
I also agree with the orignal post. Don't buy it. People will moan and groan about M$, but when asked what OS they use.. "Well I have Windows.. but I ONLY use it for games". That's my personal favorite:-D
btw, I do have a windows box... BUT it's only for games:) jk
Ok I see it starting already, Mandrake better than RedHat and vice versa. Does "better" really matter? If it did, would MicroSoft have the foothold they do? RedHat has positioned itself pretty good (Dell, Compaq etc. anyone), as well as making a name for itself. When most people (i.e. pointy hairs) think of Linux, they think of RedHat.
On the flipside however, Large Companies are (unlike some of the users in the VA thread) NOT in the business of building their own computers, and grabbing any ol' distribution. They buy Servers from well established companies with support contracts. So they go something like the Dell 2450 route, with RedHat installed, and everything supported.
Comments that state that RedHat would only have the server market... hello, why would they want to bother with anything else? Why fistfight with like 50+ distro's for pennies, when you can sell $25k+ server support contracts to large companies.
This is NOT to say one is better than the other, it's just to point out that RedHat is in a better position both Market and Financial. Mandrake as a company has hinted at financial trouble in the past, and needs to generate more funding. Hence, IPO. Is this a good way? I don't think so, but with the Market the way it is, and VC's holding onto their dollars so tight that the Washington Screeches, it may be Mandrake's only path to more funding.
And for the "flame" record: I have both Mandrake and RedHat installed (but I use Sol2.7 most of the time;)
Just a note to Malda and gang. Should any further
posts by me receive a moderation of 2 or higher, and/or the rating of "insightful". I shall expect
a payment of $5 for every site visitor that
accesses my post.
Should my post ever rate a 5, I will expect a one
time payment of $40 dollars, and or %20 percent
of advertisement revenue for that day...whichever
is greater.
This seems to be a little premature, as well as
a tough market to enter. With the number of
Enterprise databases available, as well as the
free databases, it's gonna be a little crowded
out there.
Also, who would be the target customer? Those
who have the cash to spend on Oracle, are not
going to take a step down. And those with mySQL
and Post, I can't see them paying for an unproven
product... So that leave's MS and SQL2K, but I
can't imagine companies already entrenched in the
MS platform changing.
To establish a profitable customer base in such a
tough market is going to take ALOT of money, and
time. It just doesn't seem that RH is focusing
on the correct market.
Good article. One thing to point out thou, MS is
such a large company, it seems to me a case of
the right hand not knowing what the left hand is
doing.
What I find surprising, after some of their past
mistakes (i.e. DoJ Trial), you'd think they would
be more careful.
Man, I'm sure glad we allowed more VISA workers
to come and help our country during the shortage
of technical labor. Companies such as Sun, Lucent, Nortel etc.. sure knew what they were doing lobbying for more VISA's, now they're laying
people off left and right.:-D
Before you start flaming, this is comical, NOT
political:-D
Re:/. crew's pro-democrat/left wing bias
on
Carnivore To Die?
·
· Score: 1
This is the sort of thing I would hope we can avoid. I don't see the orginal post as ALL REPUBLICANS ARE GREAT, and ALL DEMOCRATS ARE EVIL. Just support what is right, just, support your beliefs, and values... but damn let's get beyond supporting Political Party's to the bitter end.
Whether they're Democrat or Republican, if they champion something that is good (such as attempting to get rid of Carnv.) Then who cares what party they belong to!
Hell we could sit here all day drawing up a list of what Fienstien or Lott, did and said. Or we could write in email to support killing Carnavore, if you in fact support killing it.
"we'd have light bulbs that laste(d) for 30
years"
If you visit the Edison Museum you will find
that the lightbulbs he created still function.
So just to elaborate your point further, we'd
actually have lightbulbs that NEVER burnt out
until physically broken.
Sorry for the offtopic post, however I think
slashdot may have a db problem. I was reading
an article on Programming Advocacy, Hate,
however when I selected the link to read the
discussions on the article I found none.
I found some "fp" conversations, the Jon Katz is
gay code, and some topics on Bush's stupidity
and some Texas Gov. and Jesus.
If someone could please point me to the correct
discussion group pertaining to the above mentioned article, I would really appreciate it.
After reading the latest CNN ariticle, for Vice President Gore to win the election. Full recounts in the contested counties have to be completed, AND the rejection of 174 overseas ballots.
So on one hand he's fighting for the "Will of the People" in Dade, Palm Beach and Broward, however at the same time stating that 174 overseas ballots must be rejected.
Does anyone else find this contradictory.
So if you we're not capable of understanding the ballot that was mailed to you prior to the election, nor did you understand the same ballot when you voted, then you we're robbed. However,
if you are in the military and serving in a location whereas the mail is not Postmarked, then you are just an unfortunate victim of the system... huh?
*Note absentee ballots must be postmarked, however several overseas locations, and those serving ship duty do NOT have their mail postmarked. So the individual was supposed to write the date on the ballot, however the ballot did not state this, nor did it request a date.
*Note in the state of Florida all registered voters are mailed a copy of the ballot and instructions a week prior to voting, as to avoid
any confusion.
To be completely honest with you, you are going to have a tough fight ahead. I have read some really good reasons from Slashdot users why you shouldn't change a thing, but are these going to change the minds of those who want Outlook and Exchange? No.
I have fought that fight. Technical reasons do not penetrate the thick heads of pointy haired managers.
My personal experience is to ask them specifically what they want. When they respond with Outlook and Exchange, ask why. Get to the core of what they really want, and be prepared to have the Unix alternative solutions. If you can answer with "we can currently provide those features, without spending additional monies on equipment, application and server licenses, training, additional administrative support (Exchange is a Full time job) and support contracts with MS", you will be more successful.
If you do not get to the core of what they really want, Outlook and Exchange won't be any better than what you are currently providing.
I run two Exhange 2000 servers supporting a large number of users. I haven't had any major problems, minor bugs. Administration, however, consumes entirely too much time. Just $0.02.
Footnote, one of the "Faction" leaders may be leading the charge just so to take some credit when the implementation is over. If this is the case Good Luck!
"On the other hand, the ballot had been approved by a Democrat who heads the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections.
"The ballot was laid out within accordance with the statute," said Roberts, the state elections director. "That's a voting system that's been in use for many years in many counties."
I really don't care either way, but just a note. My Grandparents on my Mothers side had no problems with this ballot, and they are in there 70's. My Grandmother on my Fathers side had no problems voting for Gore on this ballot and she's 91.
Slashdot Mirror
Thanks for this link! Good info.
Rob
Not a Troll, I seriously wanted to know the answers to those questions. I really appreciate your response, as it really helps me understand the political issues surrounding cryptography.
If someone doesn't know, don't assume to be a troll, they may be like me who just haven't been involved in the issue.
Thanks for the replies.
Rob
Couple honest questions I would like to ask within this thread for clarification on this issue?
1. What are the uses of cryptography as a "Human Rights Tool"?
2. If in fact tools such as PGP are used by terrorists, how do governments protect against this?
Any information provided would be greatly appreciated.
Despite popular opinion and marketing, the internet is not for everybody. Use at your own risk. If you don't understand what all the risks involved you shouldn't be using it.
For those that continue to tread in dangerous waters, and don't have a clue that their NT desktop at home installed and started a webserver.. too bad, Natural Selection baby;)
I disagree with the "What should an ISP care". They care alot. Bandwidth and network performance is important (unless your a monopoly and don't care). They deal with their respective users as they see fit. If the customer doesn't like it, go elsewhere.
Thou I am disappointed, my codered/nim. page was getting good;)
http://doomicon.darkmilieu.org/cr.html
What's this talk of bringing these terrorists to justice? This isn't a criminal act, yet I keep seeing posts as if we are talking about a crackhead killing the corner convienance store clerk.
So let me get this straight this is how the cycle is supposed to go...
1. Terrorists kill 5000 people
2. We spend millions to hunt them down, beg countries to extradite.
3. Try them and imprison them..
4. Live in a police state, with soldiers guarding every corner
5. goto step 1.
Another poster said the only thing to stop this was..
a. eradication (yes this will work)
b. forgiveness.. how the hell is forgiveness going to stop this? Ok we forgive you, but since we don't agree with your beliefs, and just maybe have a different opinion.. BAM! we get hit again.
"enough talk!"
You are incorrect in stating, "this involves only a relatively small amount of people"
An act as complex, and well coordinated as this is definetely state sponsered, and I would venture to reason by more than one.
This was not a "crime" of terrorism, this was an act of war. Past actions of tracking down individuals, and bringing them before a court has not and will not work. Sending a terrorist to prison for 20 years, isn't going to deter his peers that are willing to crash a plane filled with passengers.
If a movement within the U.S. openly supported roaming streets and shooting children, would we only arrest those who fired the gun? Or would we track down all those involved with the group.
Same with terrorism, it is not a crime, it is an act of war. Terrorists and those sympathic and supportive such acts, should be eradicated from this planet as they have nothing to offer but hate and death of innocents.
Just a note, as of yet the cameras have not caught one criminal, however to date the cameras have produced 5 false positives.
Secondly, understand that Tampa tries to portray itself as Metro and Retro, but I'm convinced the Mayor and City Councel transferred from Mayberry. Remember, we're in the same state that can't correctly punch a hole in a f**king card.
Lemme get this straight, all these organizations are petitioning the Governement to do something about MicroSoft abusing consumer privacy. When in fact that is not totally accurate. MicroSoft is actually taking advantage/abusing consumer stupidity, nothing more... nothing less. Mindless sheep that happily click "I agree" thru pages of EULA's without a thought. I don't blame MicroSoft I blame the people. People with the right to vote, that don't use it. People who bitch about DCMA in message boards, but won't take 5 minutes to call their Congressman or Senator.
I have a novel concept, do what I do.. you think Passport and XP are crap. DON'T USE IT!
ok... flame away
No this isn't new, fidonet anyone....
The best is when you select "Workstation" install and get like three textbased newsreaders, that never get used.
I also agree with the orignal post. Don't buy it. People will moan and groan about M$, but when asked what OS they use.. "Well I have Windows.. but I ONLY use it for games". That's my personal favorite:-D
btw, I do have a windows box... BUT it's only for games:) jk
Ok I see it starting already, Mandrake better than RedHat and vice versa. Does "better" really matter? If it did, would MicroSoft have the foothold they do? RedHat has positioned itself pretty good (Dell, Compaq etc. anyone), as well as making a name for itself. When most people (i.e. pointy hairs) think of Linux, they think of RedHat.
On the flipside however, Large Companies are (unlike some of the users in the VA thread) NOT in the business of building their own computers, and grabbing any ol' distribution. They buy Servers from well established companies with support contracts. So they go something like the Dell 2450 route, with RedHat installed, and everything supported.
Comments that state that RedHat would only have the server market... hello, why would they want to bother with anything else? Why fistfight with like 50+ distro's for pennies, when you can sell $25k+ server support contracts to large companies.
This is NOT to say one is better than the other, it's just to point out that RedHat is in a better position both Market and Financial. Mandrake as a company has hinted at financial trouble in the past, and needs to generate more funding. Hence, IPO. Is this a good way? I don't think so, but with the Market the way it is, and VC's holding onto their dollars so tight that the Washington Screeches, it may be Mandrake's only path to more funding.
And for the "flame" record: I have both Mandrake and RedHat installed (but I use Sol2.7 most of the time;)
Just a note to Malda and gang. Should any further
posts by me receive a moderation of 2 or higher, and/or the rating of "insightful". I shall expect
a payment of $5 for every site visitor that
accesses my post.
Should my post ever rate a 5, I will expect a one
time payment of $40 dollars, and or %20 percent
of advertisement revenue for that day...whichever
is greater.
Payment information will be sent at a later date.
couldn't resist:-D
This seems to be a little premature, as well as
a tough market to enter. With the number of
Enterprise databases available, as well as the
free databases, it's gonna be a little crowded
out there.
Also, who would be the target customer? Those
who have the cash to spend on Oracle, are not
going to take a step down. And those with mySQL
and Post, I can't see them paying for an unproven
product... So that leave's MS and SQL2K, but I
can't imagine companies already entrenched in the
MS platform changing.
To establish a profitable customer base in such a
tough market is going to take ALOT of money, and
time. It just doesn't seem that RH is focusing
on the correct market.
Anyone, have another angle on this?
Good article. One thing to point out thou, MS is
such a large company, it seems to me a case of
the right hand not knowing what the left hand is
doing.
What I find surprising, after some of their past
mistakes (i.e. DoJ Trial), you'd think they would
be more careful.
Man, I'm sure glad we allowed more VISA workers to come and help our country during the shortage of technical labor. Companies such as Sun, Lucent, Nortel etc.. sure knew what they were doing lobbying for more VISA's, now they're laying people off left and right.:-D Before you start flaming, this is comical, NOT political:-D
This is the sort of thing I would hope we can avoid. I don't see the orginal post as ALL REPUBLICANS ARE GREAT, and ALL DEMOCRATS ARE EVIL. Just support what is right, just, support your beliefs, and values... but damn let's get beyond supporting Political Party's to the bitter end.
Whether they're Democrat or Republican, if they champion something that is good (such as attempting to get rid of Carnv.) Then who cares what party they belong to!
Hell we could sit here all day drawing up a list of what Fienstien or Lott, did and said. Or we could write in email to support killing Carnavore, if you in fact support killing it.
I could go on, but I have an email to write.
peaCe
As silly as this sounds, ellem is abosolutely correct.
"we'd have light bulbs that laste(d) for 30 years" If you visit the Edison Museum you will find that the lightbulbs he created still function. So just to elaborate your point further, we'd actually have lightbulbs that NEVER burnt out until physically broken.
Sorry for the offtopic post, however I think
slashdot may have a db problem. I was reading
an article on Programming Advocacy, Hate,
however when I selected the link to read the
discussions on the article I found none.
I found some "fp" conversations, the Jon Katz is
gay code, and some topics on Bush's stupidity
and some Texas Gov. and Jesus.
If someone could please point me to the correct
discussion group pertaining to the above mentioned article, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.
After reading the latest CNN ariticle, for Vice President Gore to win the election. Full recounts in the contested counties have to be completed, AND the rejection of 174 overseas ballots.
So on one hand he's fighting for the "Will of the People" in Dade, Palm Beach and Broward, however at the same time stating that 174 overseas ballots must be rejected.
Does anyone else find this contradictory.
So if you we're not capable of understanding the ballot that was mailed to you prior to the election, nor did you understand the same ballot when you voted, then you we're robbed. However,
if you are in the military and serving in a location whereas the mail is not Postmarked, then you are just an unfortunate victim of the system... huh?
*Note absentee ballots must be postmarked, however several overseas locations, and those serving ship duty do NOT have their mail postmarked. So the individual was supposed to write the date on the ballot, however the ballot did not state this, nor did it request a date.
*Note in the state of Florida all registered voters are mailed a copy of the ballot and instructions a week prior to voting, as to avoid
any confusion.
To be completely honest with you, you are going to have a tough fight ahead. I have read some really good reasons from Slashdot users why you shouldn't change a thing, but are these going to change the minds of those who want Outlook and Exchange? No.
I have fought that fight. Technical reasons do not penetrate the thick heads of pointy haired managers.
My personal experience is to ask them specifically what they want. When they respond with Outlook and Exchange, ask why. Get to the core of what they really want, and be prepared to have the Unix alternative solutions. If you can answer with "we can currently provide those features, without spending additional monies on equipment, application and server licenses, training, additional administrative support (Exchange is a Full time job) and support contracts with MS", you will be more successful.
If you do not get to the core of what they really want, Outlook and Exchange won't be any better than what you are currently providing.
I run two Exhange 2000 servers supporting a large number of users. I haven't had any major problems, minor bugs. Administration, however, consumes entirely too much time. Just $0.02.
Footnote, one of the "Faction" leaders may be leading the charge just so to take some credit when the implementation is over. If this is the case Good Luck!
Rob
http://www.msnbc.com/news/466882_asp.htm
"On the other hand, the ballot had been approved by a Democrat who heads the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections.
"The ballot was laid out within accordance with the statute," said Roberts, the state elections director. "That's a voting system that's been in use for many years in many counties."
I really don't care either way, but just a note. My Grandparents on my Mothers side had no problems with this ballot, and they are in there 70's. My Grandmother on my Fathers side had no problems voting for Gore on this ballot and she's 91.
Just a note from those who are using it.
rotfl:D
Why can't they at least be honest? It's not
about art, it's about money. "oh whoa is us,
people are listening to our music without
paying"
I agree with another post, put out an album
worth a shit, and maybe people will buy it.
The last album I bought that totally kicked ass
was Master in 88'. Justice was the last one
worth a shit...