I think you are missing his point, I seem to remember an incident where quite a few people in a government building located in Okelahoma lost their lives due to a truckload of fertilizer.
and on life support... In my opinion SGI has lacked true direction and leadership. Going after strange markets, with little or no planning, and not focusing on their core business.
SGI is crippled seal trying to compete in shark infested waters. Which is sad, because they do make some pretty decient boxes (tis unfortunate Irix is a p.o.s.)
btw we use Orgin's, ChallengeXL's, and Indy's here at work. We are moving to Sun E4500's and Ultra 5's and 10's.
I've experienced employees that were exceptional, I have also seen a large majority feel secure and just punch the clock.
I've seen contractors that were outstanding, and others that had resume's that read like a bad sci- fi novel, once their true level of experience has been revealed.
It's really a game of hit or miss, I feel that contractors worth their weight in reputation are outstanding, and may even want to roll over. Employees freshly hired, are fresh for about 4 months, then settle into security. I personally lean towards contractors, but hell let's be honest it's all a crap shoot anymore:)
Just a little "err", and Core Business Focus.
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"They all did get reconfirmed. All those people who had expressed interest at 10-to-12 got confirmed at 12-to-14 and got their shares."
I didn't get reconfirmed, and as far as I could tell from the slashdot postings, I wasn't the only one.
It's no big deal, however I am a little disappointed in Marc for saying this in an inter- view when it is obvious to most of the community that it isn't true.
Secondly, concentrating on converting MicroSofts present or future customers, with the amount of monies and marketing MS possess. I just can't help but think that this is really dumb. I'm not saying ignore MS, but with so many other potential markets, you want to go into the one with the stiffest competition, and the biggest player. huh?
Fleck Stone paint works well, with a flat sealant coat over top. I've used a flat black base coat, then a Granite light Fleck Stone coat, and top it off with a Flat sealant. It works great. Make you Monitor look like an SGI Monitor:)
Really cool is doing a flat black base, using painters tape and fashioning a logo for the side of the case. Next put a heavy fleck stone layer. Now peal off the tape, and walla. You have a case that looks like it's made outta Granite, with a custom logo etched into the side:)
(btw, these are ideas we used for Subwoofer boxes in car stereo:)
Using the Marble works too, I think the fleck stone looks better though.
I couldn't have said it better myself, not only that coming from a long time slashdot reader (i remember your posts from the early slashdot beginnings:).
"many are simply curious about why a new user would choose Linux over FreeBSD, despite FreeBSD's technical superiority. In many ways, this is how Linux proponents view Windows users."
Technical Superiority. He who lives in a glass house...
Linux development model is catching BSD with leaps and bounds. BSD will soon loose it's technical superiority over Linux. That is something that should be addressed.
The problem I see: Linux zealots who complain about BSD don't understand it, or have never used it.
BSD Zealots and all there snobbery are just plain jealous of Linux, as well they should be.
It seems to me that Linux is learning from BSD, however this does not go the otherway.
Work (BSD on my desk, Irix/Sun Servers) Home (Linux/NT on my desk gotta keep up da skillz)
I mentioned this some months ago but it aplies to this topic as well.
Our IM department was pushed hard by Security to witch hunt for individuals accessing pr0n or for pr0n in email.
Their goal was to present this information during the next directors meeting, and ask for more headcount and funds.
However, everything backfired. After 60 days of logging traffic, they found that ONLY a few individuals were accesssing pr0n and those few were Directors themselves.
Do as I say, not as I do:)
As far as feeling morally opposed to going through email, I would explain that binary attachments are really the only thing necessary to check for. This may not be true, but this may prevent you from going through peoples mail. Just verify that their attachments are not images.
peaCe.
Of course you could do the above, find that the only problem users are directors, and HR will drop the issue in a HOT SECOND!:)
A commercial distribution is going to need more than good points to make it standout. They don't have to convice users to convert either. Why try and convert from a pool of a million, when you can market to a pool of a billion business nonusers.
A majority of RedHat's money does in fact come from boxed sets (via prospectus), as well as the fact that they were 90k in the red last year.
My point is from strictly a commercial standpoint, eventually one company is going to want anothers customers. If OpenSource Evolution pans out, each distribution will have the same primary features. A company is eventually going to have to choose between..
A. Write an Open Source Killer App to gain market share, and risk that a competitor may bundle and market better.
B. Write a prioprietary killer App to gain market share, with no risk of a competitor taking advatage.
I truly believe that when and IF Linux becomes truly profitable in the commercial sector, you will see individual distributions using closed source apps to nudge ahead of competition.
I fully understand the GPL, and personally run Mandrake on my AMD box, I see a big performance increase.
My only concern is people jumping on this and seeing 100 Linux distributions by Christmas. The more distributions is not necessarily the better. Now survival of the fittest says the best will win out in the end, no so if someone can copy and re- package with new utilities.
So how can a distribution be commercially viable in this atmosphere. Granted there are the Debians and Slackwares, but it is the commercial distri- butions that have really added the simple tools and polish that make Linux a little bit more productive, they have to in order to stand out.
(NOTE, that statement isn't meant to start a route add default xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is better than control-panel, the simple utilities make life simple, admin simple, and Linux more usable.)
Writing better tools will not make a commercial distribution stand out, if a competitor takes it. Eventually, the only thing that will make commer- cial distributions stand out, is the proprietary software they bundle with it. I predict a trend whereas you'll see at least five more distribu- tions trying to make a profit by Christmas. You will see the bundling of proprietary software end of 99, early 00.
I am sitting here pondering if this is good or bad for Linux.
The strength of Open Source is simple, you have the collective strengths of many, working on the few projects that make it through the survival of the fittest.
Basically a group of individuals downloaded RedHat, added KDE and gave it a new name. Any arguements to this, just read their concepts page on their site. Later we read, the Press Release on some new utilities, whereas they are downplay- ing their connection to RedHat stating "RedHat compatible". They are trying to distance them- selves from RedHat, and become more of their "own", a necessary marketing move.
I fear this concept will start a trend of individuals downloading various distro's and trying to make a profit. With the LinuxExpo awarded for Best Distro, and this commercial backing, this only legitimizes this concept.
This will cause a large amount of developer re- sources to be focused on creating an individual distribution, as opposed to killer apps. Sooner or later, these distributions will HAVE TO insert proprietary software in, to make their distribu- tion the one people will buy.
I don't know I see some good, but I fear the bad may outweigh all of it.
haha.. Im basically a Linux guy, but have worked with NT for awhile (company even paid for my MCP). Im currently using NT as my proxy server for my cable modem:)
Just that it was sorta ironic:)
GAIM is the linux port name. I don't think Man- drake is going to work on your 486. I believe it is only available in a pgcc or eggz version.
You might want to double check. If you can't run it. Just intstall RedHat, and download the Man- drake utilities you like and compile em'. DAMN that's what I really love bout' linux.
GNOME setup under KDE is pretty cool, Im now running it on my AMD box.
As far as the GNOMElinuxconf under RedHat, goto labs.redhat.com I believe those guys are trying to do too much, with too little. I can't wait until RedHat starts pouring that money into development.
hahaha... actually I have used SuSE, I liked it too:) I'm just familiar with RedHat.
I have 1 AMD box, 1 PII Box, and two old sun boxes. The AMD is running Mandrake now, I have 2 486's in various stages of repair. This and the other thread have really motivated me to get them up and running, and play with more Distro's. I was planning on putting SuSE on one, and saving the other for FreeBSD instead of Linux...
About FreeBSD I like it too, however it reminds me of my 96 Slackware install:) No tools, and FVWM:) Stable as hell tho! And driver's... who needs stinkin drivers:)
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one.
If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves.
A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one.
RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts.
Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete.
I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete.
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one. If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves. A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one. RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts. Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete. I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete. But thats my $0.02.
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I disagree his point is that Killers Kill, and
will use anything to do so.
Therefore the concept of outlawing guns will put
us in a Its a Small World Fantasyland is ignorant.
Also, whether I agree with it or not. It is a
Constitutional Right to bear arms in the U.S.
I am so amazed how so many Defenders of the
Constitution, and Individual Rights, just pick
and choose which ones are important and to whom.
There is a use for a gun, I want to own one.
I think you are missing his point, I seem to
remember an incident where quite a few people in
a government building located in Okelahoma lost
their lives due to a truckload of fertilizer.
"SGI is alive"...
and on life support... In my opinion SGI has lacked true direction and leadership. Going after strange markets, with little or no planning, and not focusing on their core business.
SGI is crippled seal trying to compete in shark infested waters. Which is sad, because they do make some pretty decient boxes (tis unfortunate Irix is a p.o.s.)
btw we use Orgin's, ChallengeXL's, and Indy's here at work. We are moving to Sun E4500's and Ultra 5's and 10's.
I've experienced employees that were exceptional,
I have also seen a large majority feel secure and
just punch the clock.
I've seen contractors that were outstanding, and
others that had resume's that read like a bad sci-
fi novel, once their true level of experience has
been revealed.
It's really a game of hit or miss, I feel that
contractors worth their weight in reputation are
outstanding, and may even want to roll over.
Employees freshly hired, are fresh for about 4
months, then settle into security. I personally
lean towards contractors, but hell let's be honest
it's all a crap shoot anymore:)
"They all did get reconfirmed. All those people who had expressed interest at 10-to-12 got confirmed at 12-to-14 and got their shares."
I didn't get reconfirmed, and as far as I could
tell from the slashdot postings, I wasn't the
only one.
It's no big deal, however I am a little
disappointed in Marc for saying this in an inter-
view when it is obvious to most of the community
that it isn't true.
Secondly, concentrating on converting MicroSofts
present or future customers, with the amount of
monies and marketing MS possess. I just can't
help but think that this is really dumb. I'm not
saying ignore MS, but with so many other potential
markets, you want to go into the one with the
stiffest competition, and the biggest player. huh?
Just my $0.00.
Could you post a URL please, that sounds hella cool.
Hahahaha.. sounds messy. There are actually some
inexpensive Fleckstone knockoff's, however their
respective names escape me.
But I do agree, the Price of Fleckstone has gone
up considerably, expecially considering doing a
heavy coat on a midtower takes Three cans.
Fleck Stone paint works well, with a flat sealant
coat over top. I've used a flat black base coat,
then a Granite light Fleck Stone coat, and top
it off with a Flat sealant. It works great.
Make you Monitor look like an SGI Monitor:)
Really cool is doing a flat black base, using
painters tape and fashioning a logo for the side
of the case. Next put a heavy fleck stone layer.
Now peal off the tape, and walla. You have a
case that looks like it's made outta Granite, with
a custom logo etched into the side:)
(btw, these are ideas we used for Subwoofer boxes
in car stereo:)
Using the Marble works too, I think the fleck
stone looks better though.
I couldn't have said it better myself, not only
that coming from a long time slashdot reader (i remember your posts from the early slashdot beginnings:).
"many are simply curious about why a new user would choose Linux over FreeBSD, despite FreeBSD's technical superiority. In many ways, this is how Linux proponents view Windows users."
Technical Superiority. He who lives in a glass house...
Linux development model is catching BSD with leaps and bounds. BSD will soon loose it's technical superiority over Linux. That is something that should be addressed.
The problem I see: Linux zealots who complain about BSD don't understand it, or have never used it.
BSD Zealots and all there snobbery are just plain jealous of Linux, as well they should be.
It seems to me that Linux is learning from BSD, however this does not go the otherway.
Work (BSD on my desk, Irix/Sun Servers)
Home (Linux/NT on my desk gotta keep up da skillz)
I mentioned this some months ago but it aplies to
this topic as well.
Our IM department was pushed hard by Security to witch hunt for individuals accessing pr0n or for pr0n in email.
Their goal was to present this information during the next directors meeting, and ask for more headcount and funds.
However, everything backfired. After 60 days of logging traffic, they found that ONLY a few individuals were accesssing pr0n and those few were Directors themselves.
Do as I say, not as I do:)
As far as feeling morally opposed to going through email, I would explain that binary attachments are really the only thing necessary to check for. This may not be true, but this may prevent you from going through peoples mail. Just verify that their attachments are not images.
peaCe.
Of course you could do the above, find that the only problem users are directors, and HR will drop the issue in a HOT SECOND!:)
"AntiOnline is a great site"
That is your opinion. My opinion is that the
site is a really horrible one. Neither of us
are right nor wrong.
"John V is a really good guy"
Again opinion, however after the PacketStorm
situation, I personally will not support anything
associated with his name.
The rest of your post is immature, childish, and
deserves no comment.
A commercial distribution is going to need more
than good points to make it standout. They
don't have to convice users to convert either. Why
try and convert from a pool of a million, when
you can market to a pool of a billion business
nonusers.
A majority of RedHat's money does in fact come
from boxed sets (via prospectus), as well as the
fact that they were 90k in the red last year.
My point is from strictly a commercial standpoint,
eventually one company is going to want anothers
customers. If OpenSource Evolution pans out, each
distribution will have the same primary features.
A company is eventually going to have to choose
between..
A. Write an Open Source Killer App to gain
market share, and risk that a competitor may
bundle and market better.
B. Write a prioprietary killer App to gain
market share, with no risk of a competitor
taking advatage.
I truly believe that when and IF Linux becomes
truly profitable in the commercial sector, you
will see individual distributions using closed
source apps to nudge ahead of competition.
yes I remember, and you are absolutely right:)
haha...
I fully understand the GPL, and personally run
Mandrake on my AMD box, I see a big performance
increase.
My only concern is people jumping on this and
seeing 100 Linux distributions by Christmas. The
more distributions is not necessarily the better.
Now survival of the fittest says the best will win
out in the end, no so if someone can copy and re-
package with new utilities.
So how can a distribution be commercially viable
in this atmosphere. Granted there are the Debians
and Slackwares, but it is the commercial distri-
butions that have really added the simple tools
and polish that make Linux a little bit more
productive, they have to in order to stand out.
(NOTE, that statement isn't meant to start a
route add default xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is better than
control-panel, the simple utilities make life
simple, admin simple, and Linux more usable.)
Writing better tools will not make a commercial
distribution stand out, if a competitor takes it.
Eventually, the only thing that will make commer-
cial distributions stand out, is the proprietary
software they bundle with it. I predict a trend
whereas you'll see at least five more distribu-
tions trying to make a profit by Christmas. You
will see the bundling of proprietary software
end of 99, early 00.
I am sitting here pondering if this is good or
bad for Linux.
The strength of Open Source is simple, you have
the collective strengths of many, working on the
few projects that make it through the survival
of the fittest.
Basically a group of individuals downloaded
RedHat, added KDE and gave it a new name. Any
arguements to this, just read their concepts page
on their site. Later we read, the Press Release
on some new utilities, whereas they are downplay-
ing their connection to RedHat stating "RedHat
compatible". They are trying to distance them-
selves from RedHat, and become more of their
"own", a necessary marketing move.
I fear this concept will start a trend of individuals downloading various distro's and trying to make a profit.
With the LinuxExpo awarded for Best Distro, and
this commercial backing, this only legitimizes
this concept.
This will cause a large amount of developer re-
sources to be focused on creating an individual
distribution, as opposed to killer apps. Sooner
or later, these distributions will HAVE TO insert
proprietary software in, to make their distribu-
tion the one people will buy.
I don't know I see some good, but I fear the bad
may outweigh all of it.
Mandrake no longer sells itself as "RedHat +".
They now sell themselves as "RedHat Compatiable"
They are trying to further themselves from
RedHat has much as possible.
haha.. Im basically a Linux guy, but have worked
with NT for awhile (company even paid for my MCP).
Im currently using NT as my proxy server for my
cable modem:)
Just that it was sorta ironic:)
GAIM is the linux port name. I don't think Man-
drake is going to work on your 486. I believe it
is only available in a pgcc or eggz version.
You might want to double check. If you can't run
it. Just intstall RedHat, and download the Man-
drake utilities you like and compile em'. DAMN
that's what I really love bout' linux.
GNOME setup under KDE is pretty cool, Im now
running it on my AMD box.
As far as the GNOMElinuxconf under RedHat, goto
labs.redhat.com I believe those guys are trying
to do too much, with too little. I can't wait
until RedHat starts pouring that money into
development.
hahaha... actually I have used SuSE, I liked it
too:) I'm just familiar with RedHat.
I have 1 AMD box, 1 PII Box, and two old sun boxes. The AMD is running Mandrake now, I have
2 486's in various stages of repair. This and the
other thread have really motivated me to get them
up and running, and play with more Distro's. I was planning on putting SuSE on one, and saving the other for FreeBSD instead of Linux...
About FreeBSD I like it too, however it reminds me
of my 96 Slackware install:) No tools, and FVWM:)
Stable as hell tho! And driver's... who needs
stinkin drivers:)
RedHat...
On my AMD.. It is FLYING!! I have to agree
this
is a huge improvement.
btw, most all but one of my posts on this topic
were in jest, my feelings on distros can be
read here
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one.
If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves.
A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one.
RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat
doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts.
Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete.
I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that
has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat
is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete.
But thats my $0.02.
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one. If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves. A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one. RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts. Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete. I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete. But thats my $0.02.
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