"We regret to inform you, Mr. Anderson, that you have three different people in your household using this computer to access the internet. Your bill will be adjusted accordingly."
That's the new XP feature, didn't you know that's why they put those fake user accounts in? Obviously if you and another person can share Word, you have two coppies and must pay subscriptions accordingly.
These greedy cable folks are going to be surprised when all of their customers drop their service. I know a faster browsing experience of an ever more comercial suck web is not worth $50/month to me.
Cox is forcing DHCP. I've had a fixed IP from at home for three years. For a short time I had DSL, but that died when I moved. Last week I got a cardboard toolbox with a letter and a CD in it. It warned me that I had to apply the software soon, using the authorization code printed in the letter, or lose service. The CD, needless to say, contained M$ and Mac binaries. Their web site had instructions that said, esentially DHCP, with forced swapping every 4 hours. It also says that they are going to discontinue the old equipment soon and a friend tells me the date is feb 15th.
WTF? They advertise "always on" IP. That means that they must have a 1:1 IP to cable box ratio, right? The only reason they are going this way is to twart people who want to actually use their connection for more than web mail, viewing the great corporate advert, and have their boxes broken by haxors.
So what do you think I'm going to do? That's right, I'm bailing. At home was just the first of these companies to go under. "Normal" people are neither going to trade their TVs for their computers nor pay $100/month for "entertainment". The rest of us expect more for $50/month than giant casino adds. No, I don't have cable TV, just the box. When it's over, Cox will be paying to maintian a line to my house that gives them zero revenue. If all I can do with the cable is surf, I'll reduce my monthly blead by $30/month and find a nice little dialup to do the same thing. Like normal people then, my wife will quit visiting sites that push huge adverts, and those places will lose out too. Poof, goodbye greedheads, I hope you all lose your shirts.
The new patent was key to a play to commercialize nanochips by building factories to produce them, and lab experiments had proved the concept--although they used components much bigger than the nanowires a few atoms wide.
How often do you see language like this? I understand that what he means is the new specific technique for practically applying a novel process. The language used however makes it look like patent law itself is responsible for things, rather than reseach and development. It reminds me of crap from the former Soviet Union where "sound party principles" were responsible for the great victory, bleh. I'd like to see reporters replace the word patent with something more direct and meaningful like, "research", "process", "design", even "idea". The reporter, I'm sure, was just following some stupid trend or stylebook and is unaware of the impact his words may have.
Having old documents taken out of context can be truly damning, and it's just not worth the expense. Much better to destroy what could be used against you later.
At work I have been using CDE, and I think that it is an excellent all-around desktop environment that is easy enough for newbies to use and yet allows more experienced users quick access to things they need without playing hide-and-seek games.
Yeah, I use OLVWM at home and I like it and my wife does too. Due to some kind of video problem on an old thinkpad 760LD, I made it the default window manager. It was the only one capable of giving me 16bpp. It was not so hard for my wife and I because we learned how to do things right under GNOME. This supprised me. I remembered my first expereinces at a Sun workstation and thought my wife would have a hard time. Nope, not at all. While it's hard to think back that far for myself, the comment I get when I show people a decent desktop, be it Window Maker or GNOME, is that it's "very windows like". I can tell them that it is, but better in many ways.
"Windows like" can be helpful. GNOME was flexible enough for the Red Hat folks to make it look like the M$ junk I was used to. This was useful while I quickly learned to do things how I prefered. I also learned that good design is much more than skin deep. KDE does this too. M$ will have to make things very stupid indeed to make switching more difficult. Don't put it past the people who hide file extentions of "known types" but how far can they take that?
There you have the power of free software. Peer reviewed design, encouraged inovation, multiple implimentations all growing stronger and building on the strengths of predecesors. Good traits are retained, flakey ones are around for people who want or need them. The KDE and GNOME people are doing great work. The folks at Red Hat have done some realy nice things with that work. The full impact of many small improvements is much larger than their sum, even over six months.
I'm sure the RIAA will do all in it's power, leagal, ethical and otherwise to kill this. They will surely try to upload their comercial garbage and encourage others to do so. They will also upload poor quality recordings and other noise like the "coo-coo" recordings they stuck on Napster, in a vain attempt to dilute the collection. At least until they have complete control over all network access.
It's not going to work. When they ruin one service dozens of new ones will be formed.
I'd say you burned some, you old troll.
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I am really exhausted by people who just say "I don't (see|believe) it" when someone describes an issue they're having. Let me help my fellow Linvocates.
Why do I get the feeling I've been flamed? I suppose it's because your straw man help has nothing to do with what most people, like myself tell others. Oh yeah, you seem to have forgoten what I wrote to rant along about how screwed up the Mac community is while telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks.
Somehow I don't feel the helping hand of an advocate. I say I don't know how to configure sound cards, and you give me shit about making others feel comfortable. I'm so helped.
The problem is not our collective image, the problem this developer was having was low demand for games and harrasment. The first problem is M$ created hardware stupidity. The second problem is people like you.
Yes you. Like this beautiful flame, much like your current exhaustion letter posted to bsdtoday two years ago. You might want a different pen name.
You're kidding, right?
Anthony Boyd - January 25, 2001 17:34:55
Among the examples you list of Tucows scandalous comments is this one: "New users should steer clear of OpenBSD."
You must be kidding me. That is evidence that Tucows doesn't understand the BSD community or is being overly-harsh? Let me put it more strongly than Tucows did: new users will HATE OpenBSD. New users (new to Unix, new to computers) should be steered AWAY from OpenBSD. Not only that, the OpenBSD team probably should want it that way, saying "yep, we're for security-minded system admins, not for new users." If BSD or OpenBSD people are getting upset about being told their system is unfriendly to new users, then they better build a system new users will want. Until then, they're going to have to deal with those comments, just like Linux sysadmins have to deal with comments about Linux insecurity. It's true, dammit. Deal with it.
Linux insecurity? OpenBSD difficulty? Troll city. Yes, that's you at outshine. Yes, Google put the finger on you.
At Hyperion, an alternative platform game software porting company I work for, we've produced titles for Linux... For some reason they just couldn't grasp that it cost us money to both license and port the software, and that we didn't see a red cent for the Windows version they bought.
I'm having trouble grasping the concept myself. You might try explaining it a little better. Do those compaines pay you to port those games, or do they just give you the source and then give you a chunck of the revenue when you are done? You're not doing for fun are you?
I'm also having trouble imagining the demanding weenies you describe. The Baton Rouge LUG is small, but most of the people there were NOT like this. Me and the people I know don't do Linux for games. I do it for scientific computing, and I'm just resigned to the idea that I can't make a sound card work. My wife's Red Hat machine has bunches of games that I've never bothered to play, at least one of my Debian machines has Quake that I never play. Having not bothered with all of that, I'm not going to bother to harrass your sales clerks. I don't know anyone else who would either. Perhapse the folks at X-Box have strange ways of ammusing themselves.
All that being said, I've got plenty of money that I have not spent on M$ crap that could be spent on games, especially some of the more interesting social interaction games you mention in another post.
The problem you have is threefold. Teaching me how to build a machine that works. Telling me about your game. Finding the time for me to follow your instructions, get your game and actually play it. Oh wait, most of those problems are mine. Oh well.
Games and PC's multimedia that don't really work right are the smallest social cost of the M$ monopoly.
You mean the USPS is not entirely funded by postage?
I buy stamps with my whiskey too. It's another form of tax.
So many tecnicalities, so few people who can see the forest through the trees. A federally mandated and protected exclusive franchise is a part of the government, regardless of what it's called. We pay for it, it serves us and it should not be used to promote some of us over others. The social costs of government franchise abuse like that can easily be seen in the ruins of the Soviet Union. There are a limited number of natural monopolies where it's in the best interest of the public to co-operate and mandate standards, software, publishing, or hairdressing for that matter are not it. The Post Office is not a tool of it's current director, it's OUR TOOL and this stuff violates the spirit of the law if not the letter.
Say I go home to my cable modem and suck down 2 gigabytes of data on my unmetered line... my ISP is now not making any money on me this month. What absolute bullshit. Your ISP's costs are fixed, not mettered. Typical measured costs are hovering around one cent per ten megs, but that might just mean that people are not moving as much as they could. In any case it's irrelavent.
What does it really cost to have that network? The Electric utilities seem to do well with much greater capital investment off less money than the phone company collects from you. Think about it.
Now figure the costs of a wireless network, where the only thing to maintain are a few repeater stations. Oh wait, that's the topic setting up a community owned wireless network to avoid rape by telcos and trolls like you.
The post office is not really part of the government but rather a business run to support an important country function.
What part of "United States Post Office" don't you understand? That the civil servants are employed by the Federal Government?
There are many makers of software in this great country and I'm sure none of them apprecite their tax dollars being used to support Microsoft. Don't you remember half of them testifying against M$ over the last few years? Well, gee there it is being promoted in a maner that some people will take as offial US sponsorship. It stinks. Were any of them offered the same oppertunity? Would it even be possible to fit all the material there? 30 Linux distros, 45 BSDs, AOL, Sun, HP, Compaq. There would not be room to stand.
Let's look at another thing "powering" the US post office by way of compairison. Jeeps. You see them all over, as they won bids on an open market. The Post Office Jeeps were stripped of all insignia and were only recognizable by their form. No cardboard cut outs recomending the purchase of Jeeps ever kept the sun from shining through a USPO window. No "test drives" were ever offered. Instead, Jeep was happy to be making the sale and the use was recomendation enough. The USPO had no intentions of recomending one automobile maker over another.
Go to Netcraft, you will see that most US government sites do NOT run M$ trash.
So my wife asks me, "why would they bother to promote M$, a company that needs no promotion." Might the settlement be nationalization? Oh shit.
Winamp, ICQ, and Netscape and left them mostly unchanged... but that's the problem! Can anyone honestly think of any real improvements made to any of these pieces of software since AOL bought them out
Wow, what a way to diss a group of nice programs. What do you want winamp to do, viseo drawings?
Netscape, how long did it take to come up with a new browser that still can't compete with IE?
Ahh, there we go, a stupid MSIE troll. Mozilla rocks. It's free, fast, stable and secure. MSIE can only be mentioned here to inflame people who know better. Move on.
they aren't going to bring Linux to the desktop! Get real people! As far as I'm conserned AOL is a MUCH bigger threat then MS ever was.
Sure, M$ is our frind, Linux, BSD and the ozone are dying.
We shall see what kind of threat AOL is. Has it ever occured to you that content providers like Time-Warner consider Micro$haft an asshole in the middle to be eliminated? AOL does not provide the best ISP, granted, but it's no worse than M$'s and the deal has remained the same or gotten better over the years. Contrast that to the deal that M$ has given everyone, in it's typical late commer fashion.
How silly. Red Hat was always a maintainer and distributor of their own and other people's packages. To say the result was not an OS because they are taking on other projects is like saying Honda is not a motorbike company because they buy parts from subcontractors and sell cars. Their CD runs my wife's machine, it's an operating system.
AOL/TW, however, despite its good works regarding Mozilla, has no such reputation.
So why do so many people still use Mozilla? If anything, their license has improved since AOL purchase. Sometimes companies can get it. Let's hope the Time/Warner side of the house gets pulled in the right direction. Red Hat still works well, and is very friendly. Frindly enough to hand out on an AOL disk.
So if Red Hat is bought by AOL, I expect much of their user base will move to Mandrake, Debian, and Suse.
I doubt it. It's amazing how little software that works is replaced, not that a movement of people to Debian would be bad. =:>
Now let's look at the chorus of bunk below you.
cp somehting random sezRemember that there's a large number of people who are running Red Hat on servers because it has a reputation for being user friendly -- many (most?) servers are run by people who really haven't a clue.
I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people (gasp!) return to using Windows.
What can be said about that flame, besides it's ugly and doubtful. Anyone who has been free of M$ for a while would gag on a Windows install, be horrified at all the adverts and the poor features and performance God, all the things you never want to remember again. Even AOL users, such as myself notice.
Outhouse has I know that as a Linux enthusiast and part time advocate, I will not recommend a TimeWarner/AOL distribution.
Who could?
I don't know, who would recomend a TimeWarner browser? OK, I would. I like Mozilla. We shall see what kind of tool Red Hat becomes. Stranger things can happen. IBM, another big IP place, might just recomend and put money into free tools.
Oh well, I have to get back to work now. There seems to be no end to the hyseria here, but I can't have fun forever. By the way, did Mr. Cox even write that letter?
OK, I've got a slow wit but did anyone else notice that the article title, "Star Ballz Trumps Lucas" could just as easily been "Lucas Bows to Star Ballz." ?!?!
When you're an artist dependent on OpenGL, you can't have problems like this.
Of course if you were in that situation, you must not have noticed.
Bug or no bug, my machines have been running just fine. I bought them based on reviews that showed them running circles aroung Intel and they did. At the speeds the newer machines run, I'd hardly notice if they were hanging.
Article states:As with GNN, I feel grateful to AOL for trying to save Netscape. But AOL management failed to pick up the Netscape management's vision, and failed to offer an alternative vision of their own. They could still surprise us, but I think the suspense has gone on too long for a proper plot turn.
You statethey pretty well fouled up Netscape by forgetting there are non-AOL users of the tool...
Posting from Mozilla on Debian, I have no idea what you people are talking about. Netscape makes fine browsers that are far from dead. There are enough people, such as the Nuclear Regulatory Commision, www.nrc.gov, using their server software with good results for me to not understand that either. While Netscape is far from the "asshole in the middle" that some people might want it to be, the rest of us are happier dealing with the one sphinkter they we own and don't think of immitating it. Did AOL fire everyone at Netscape? Is that what I'm missing? While that would be sad, the remaining people seem to be able to continue providing an excellent bunch of software to the world using Open standards and free software.
Nope, I don't know who he is. Thanks for mentioning it. Strange that he could not do so much as paraphrase the thoughts. Did he at least run my terrible spelling through ispell?
While it's flattering to be quoted and I could care less about the credit, there is something sinister here. I imagine that someone has programed their robot accounts to post high scoring posts from similar threads. Devious flunkies never get up to any good. What do you think this clown wants to do with the points?
Has it? Last time I checked, when a huge corporation tried to go after someone for practicing free speech there was a huge public outcry and the case was dropped. This is the difference between democracy and totalitarianism, which is what the original poster was trying to point out. In our country, unjust laws like the DCMA are fought tooth and nail, are currently not being enforced very rigidly, and will probably be struck down in court or repealed in congress, or at least amended, in the near future. Want to go over to China and try to get them to change the law to allow freedom of religion?
The difference between a free state and one that is oppresive is that the evil thing happened at all. There should not have had to be an outcry because the bad law should not have been passed to begin with. When laws become inconsistent, there has been a failure on the part of the government. The ultimate law of the United States is the constitution. When laws are passed that violate it, such as DMCA, Patriot Act, etc, without a constitutional ammendment, the rule of law has broken down. While we in the US believe that the consent of the governed is a primary building block of laws that are just, beware that unjust laws can be made and ignored by mobs as well ask kings.
So the first event created an outcry, will the second? Who is going to save you from jail and why should you suffer so to begin with? The law is still on the books. Those of us who recognize the inconsistency must continue to fight untill it is removed.
The fourth ammendment has a due process loophole too:
he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
So what's the difference between our guarantee and theirs now that we have let "terrorism" be an excuse to search without warrant? You see, when you get outside the strict limitations of the fourth ammendment for any reason you are left with nothing but an empty prommise. With Carnivore and other wiretaping, I am NOT secure in my papers and personal effects. With the Patriot Act giving the govenment access to any electronic database, I am NOT secure in papers and personal effects. With the new wire tapping devices approved for use, I am NOT secure in my house.
Woopy, the right to make a buck prevails again. The government has protected a purveyor of porn against another movie maker in a squable over who owns darth vader. So what? It's a victory, but not a usefull one. Feel free to parody fantisy to your heart's content, just make sure you might be making money at it.
Far more serious free speech issues are going the wrong way. How about accademic freedom? The University of South Florida is canning a computer science teacher for saying bad things about Israel (see this Salon story). How about DeCSS? How about encryption rights? How about Digital Rights Denial? In all matters of real importance, the US federal government has proved itself wrong headed recently. So while the publishing giants feel free to swear on the public airways they own, place naked people on billboards, and do whatever else they think they can to make a buck, you and me are being stripped of the right to utter dissaproval in any meaningful way. Your comminications will be monitored (carnivore and local ISP caches), your house will be searched unreasonably(USA and Patriot acts), your property will be confiscated (standard proceedure), and you will be quiet.
f there's one thing they're good at it's preserving their monopoly and they'll do what it takes to keep AOL from switching to Linux.
What, pray tell, will M$ be able to offer AOL? Microsoft never ever held anything back. It's apparent that MicroSquish is trying to conquer all media on the PC with their goofey and inferior "standards". It's apparent that they are trying to move all PC users to the M$Notwork, with invasive advert cramming, spyware and general sleezyness for all. It's also apparent that they are trying to use their desktop share to force such bizare and awful protocalls as activeX on everyone. What will be left for anyone else in such a world? What can AOL do to help M$ achieve this, and what would they offer AOL for their complience? Will they offer to not break Netscape again? Right, who believes that one? M$ thinks it does not need AOL, and their corperate strategy makes no provisions for any other ISP but themselves.
How wrong they are. If any sizable portion of AOL users moved to Linux, M$ would be doomed. There are 100 million or so AOL users out there, almost all of them on M$ platforms. Every year, a substantial proportion of them feel forced to "upgrade" their computer due to M$ induced bit rot. What AOL can now do is offer a free OS that works to those people, who are going to throw the old computer away! Why would they not give it a try? Then swoosh, millions of Linux users are born. Did you hear that? It's the sound of M$'s PC share going to hell and all their power with it.
I don't see the problems. You will still be able to modify things to suit you. AOL users will get what they want. Red Hat will be assured survival under the world's largest ISP. Microsoft will improve or die.
There is no way for AOL to destroy the modular design of Linux/GNU software. To do so, they would have to custom modify and maintain far too many packages. Why would they go to such effort and cost? The average AOL user never ever bothers to venture furthers that far, so "digital rights management" and advert cramming will be maintained by default, just like they are on M$ platforms today. AOL useres actually use AOL's client and browser there and they will under Linux. You will still be able to replace bogus packages and use the ones you want.
What this is going to be, is AOL being able to send out a shiny new CD when M$ breaks their customer's machines. The customer can sit happy knowing that they won't have to buy a new computer and that they can get the things they expect from AOL. My mom is a good example. She has used her computers for three application and only three applications. She has used AOL, Word Perfect, and Quicken. I'm not sure she uses Quicken any more. She uses AOL's instant messenger and email. The rest of her computer means nothing to her, and could be running anything. When ME meets it's two year obsolescence and her flaming nice PIII laptop starts spitting chunks, I hope AOL sends her a nice Red Hat CD. The other stuff, like Netscape, Electric Eyes, Gimp.... might have her actually use her machine some more and definatly enjoy it more. If AOL bought Correl, she would be very happy indeed.
This could kill Microsoft. It's one thing for my mom to have some friends and her son using Linux, it's another thing when she gets it, it works and does everything she wants it to. AOL has 100 million clients, think of the change in perception the world will have if just 1% revive their dead machines this way instead of buying a new $1,000 computer. AOL users, the scorn of M$ elitist derision having computers that work and cost less. Supposedly the most clueless computer population on earth suddenly having tools and stability M$ loosers pay big money for but never recieve. Surely word of mouth will sweep the world, and M$'s already weakened position with hardware makers will collapse.
Reasonable hardware standards may yet see light of day. Without M$ to hord up ever changing API's and that magic flag on the box, we may see hardware maintains stable open interfaces. I am trully filled with hope today. This is great news.
Ah. So. Censorship is when somebody silences you, and prudence is when you silence somebody else? "Prevented" *snort* Apparently you either didn't read the thread or didn't think about it.
No you stupid troll, it is prudent to keep people from abusing you with the resources you provide. Censorship is keeping people from saying what they please with their own resources.
Most of those trolls seem to love Microsoft. Perhapse those loosers can provide an open peer moderated message system. Perhapse you can download the slash site and span yourelf to death.
Every troll in the freaking world has identified themselves by posting on that thread. I suppose that Boris is one in the same with the rest of the robots represented there and that Boris recieves a good size pay check from MicroShit for his dirty work disrupting this site. Who else but a large ISP or other company would have enough IP space to spoof Slashdot like that. It should also be obvious that the mod points accumulated by all those accounts has been used lately to abuse legitimate posters and disrupt communications in general.
If it were up to me, I'd delete your account, the troll accounts you created and all of your posts. What reason is there to waste space archiving all that bullshit? You have wasted a great deal of time, contributed nothing, and prevented others from having an intelligent conversation. Go away.
As anyone can see, the days of General Relativity are numbered. It's been comming ever since Niels Borh showed us he way. All the good physicists have moved to QM and the field has been much more productive than BSD^H^H^HGR. There are no reputable phyxicists studying GR and those students who do are just a lunatic fringe. There's no market for it, it's just dying and soon will be gone.
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That's the new XP feature, didn't you know that's why they put those fake user accounts in? Obviously if you and another person can share Word, you have two coppies and must pay subscriptions accordingly.
These greedy cable folks are going to be surprised when all of their customers drop their service. I know a faster browsing experience of an ever more comercial suck web is not worth $50/month to me.
Cox is forcing DHCP. I've had a fixed IP from at home for three years. For a short time I had DSL, but that died when I moved. Last week I got a cardboard toolbox with a letter and a CD in it. It warned me that I had to apply the software soon, using the authorization code printed in the letter, or lose service. The CD, needless to say, contained M$ and Mac binaries. Their web site had instructions that said, esentially DHCP, with forced swapping every 4 hours. It also says that they are going to discontinue the old equipment soon and a friend tells me the date is feb 15th.
WTF? They advertise "always on" IP. That means that they must have a 1:1 IP to cable box ratio, right? The only reason they are going this way is to twart people who want to actually use their connection for more than web mail, viewing the great corporate advert, and have their boxes broken by haxors.
So what do you think I'm going to do? That's right, I'm bailing. At home was just the first of these companies to go under. "Normal" people are neither going to trade their TVs for their computers nor pay $100/month for "entertainment". The rest of us expect more for $50/month than giant casino adds. No, I don't have cable TV, just the box. When it's over, Cox will be paying to maintian a line to my house that gives them zero revenue. If all I can do with the cable is surf, I'll reduce my monthly blead by $30/month and find a nice little dialup to do the same thing. Like normal people then, my wife will quit visiting sites that push huge adverts, and those places will lose out too. Poof, goodbye greedheads, I hope you all lose your shirts.
How often do you see language like this? I understand that what he means is the new specific technique for practically applying a novel process. The language used however makes it look like patent law itself is responsible for things, rather than reseach and development. It reminds me of crap from the former Soviet Union where "sound party principles" were responsible for the great victory, bleh. I'd like to see reporters replace the word patent with something more direct and meaningful like, "research", "process", "design", even "idea". The reporter, I'm sure, was just following some stupid trend or stylebook and is unaware of the impact his words may have.
That's why honest companies save the context!
Yeah, I use OLVWM at home and I like it and my wife does too. Due to some kind of video problem on an old thinkpad 760LD, I made it the default window manager. It was the only one capable of giving me 16bpp. It was not so hard for my wife and I because we learned how to do things right under GNOME. This supprised me. I remembered my first expereinces at a Sun workstation and thought my wife would have a hard time. Nope, not at all. While it's hard to think back that far for myself, the comment I get when I show people a decent desktop, be it Window Maker or GNOME, is that it's "very windows like". I can tell them that it is, but better in many ways.
"Windows like" can be helpful. GNOME was flexible enough for the Red Hat folks to make it look like the M$ junk I was used to. This was useful while I quickly learned to do things how I prefered. I also learned that good design is much more than skin deep. KDE does this too. M$ will have to make things very stupid indeed to make switching more difficult. Don't put it past the people who hide file extentions of "known types" but how far can they take that?
There you have the power of free software. Peer reviewed design, encouraged inovation, multiple implimentations all growing stronger and building on the strengths of predecesors. Good traits are retained, flakey ones are around for people who want or need them. The KDE and GNOME people are doing great work. The folks at Red Hat have done some realy nice things with that work. The full impact of many small improvements is much larger than their sum, even over six months.
It's not going to work. When they ruin one service dozens of new ones will be formed.
Why do I get the feeling I've been flamed? I suppose it's because your straw man help has nothing to do with what most people, like myself tell others. Oh yeah, you seem to have forgoten what I wrote to rant along about how screwed up the Mac community is while telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks.
Somehow I don't feel the helping hand of an advocate. I say I don't know how to configure sound cards, and you give me shit about making others feel comfortable. I'm so helped.
The problem is not our collective image, the problem this developer was having was low demand for games and harrasment. The first problem is M$ created hardware stupidity. The second problem is people like you.
Yes you. Like this beautiful flame, much like your current exhaustion letter posted to bsdtoday two years ago. You might want a different pen name.
You're kidding, right?
Anthony Boyd - January 25, 2001 17:34:55
Among the examples you list of Tucows scandalous comments is this one: "New users should steer clear of OpenBSD."
You must be kidding me. That is evidence that Tucows doesn't understand the BSD community or is being overly-harsh? Let me put it more strongly than Tucows did: new users will HATE OpenBSD. New users (new to Unix, new to computers) should be steered AWAY from OpenBSD. Not only that, the OpenBSD team probably should want it that way, saying "yep, we're for security-minded system admins, not for new users." If BSD or OpenBSD people are getting upset about being told their system is unfriendly to new users, then they better build a system new users will want. Until then, they're going to have to deal with those comments, just like Linux sysadmins have to deal with comments about Linux insecurity. It's true, dammit. Deal with it.
Linux insecurity? OpenBSD difficulty? Troll city. Yes, that's you at outshine. Yes, Google put the finger on you.
I'm having trouble grasping the concept myself. You might try explaining it a little better. Do those compaines pay you to port those games, or do they just give you the source and then give you a chunck of the revenue when you are done? You're not doing for fun are you?
I'm also having trouble imagining the demanding weenies you describe. The Baton Rouge LUG is small, but most of the people there were NOT like this. Me and the people I know don't do Linux for games. I do it for scientific computing, and I'm just resigned to the idea that I can't make a sound card work. My wife's Red Hat machine has bunches of games that I've never bothered to play, at least one of my Debian machines has Quake that I never play. Having not bothered with all of that, I'm not going to bother to harrass your sales clerks. I don't know anyone else who would either. Perhapse the folks at X-Box have strange ways of ammusing themselves.
All that being said, I've got plenty of money that I have not spent on M$ crap that could be spent on games, especially some of the more interesting social interaction games you mention in another post.
The problem you have is threefold. Teaching me how to build a machine that works. Telling me about your game. Finding the time for me to follow your instructions, get your game and actually play it. Oh wait, most of those problems are mine. Oh well.
Games and PC's multimedia that don't really work right are the smallest social cost of the M$ monopoly.
You mean the USPS is not entirely funded by postage?
I buy stamps with my whiskey too. It's another form of tax.
So many tecnicalities, so few people who can see the forest through the trees. A federally mandated and protected exclusive franchise is a part of the government, regardless of what it's called. We pay for it, it serves us and it should not be used to promote some of us over others. The social costs of government franchise abuse like that can easily be seen in the ruins of the Soviet Union. There are a limited number of natural monopolies where it's in the best interest of the public to co-operate and mandate standards, software, publishing, or hairdressing for that matter are not it. The Post Office is not a tool of it's current director, it's OUR TOOL and this stuff violates the spirit of the law if not the letter.
What does it really cost to have that network? The Electric utilities seem to do well with much greater capital investment off less money than the phone company collects from you. Think about it.
Now figure the costs of a wireless network, where the only thing to maintain are a few repeater stations. Oh wait, that's the topic setting up a community owned wireless network to avoid rape by telcos and trolls like you.
What part of "United States Post Office" don't you understand? That the civil servants are employed by the Federal Government?
There are many makers of software in this great country and I'm sure none of them apprecite their tax dollars being used to support Microsoft. Don't you remember half of them testifying against M$ over the last few years? Well, gee there it is being promoted in a maner that some people will take as offial US sponsorship. It stinks. Were any of them offered the same oppertunity? Would it even be possible to fit all the material there? 30 Linux distros, 45 BSDs, AOL, Sun, HP, Compaq. There would not be room to stand.
Let's look at another thing "powering" the US post office by way of compairison. Jeeps. You see them all over, as they won bids on an open market. The Post Office Jeeps were stripped of all insignia and were only recognizable by their form. No cardboard cut outs recomending the purchase of Jeeps ever kept the sun from shining through a USPO window. No "test drives" were ever offered. Instead, Jeep was happy to be making the sale and the use was recomendation enough. The USPO had no intentions of recomending one automobile maker over another.
Go to Netcraft, you will see that most US government sites do NOT run M$ trash.
So my wife asks me, "why would they bother to promote M$, a company that needs no promotion." Might the settlement be nationalization? Oh shit.
Wow, what a way to diss a group of nice programs. What do you want winamp to do, viseo drawings?
Netscape, how long did it take to come up with a new browser that still can't compete with IE?
Ahh, there we go, a stupid MSIE troll. Mozilla rocks. It's free, fast, stable and secure. MSIE can only be mentioned here to inflame people who know better. Move on.
they aren't going to bring Linux to the desktop! Get real people! As far as I'm conserned AOL is a MUCH bigger threat then MS ever was.
Sure, M$ is our frind, Linux, BSD and the ozone are dying.
We shall see what kind of threat AOL is. Has it ever occured to you that content providers like Time-Warner consider Micro$haft an asshole in the middle to be eliminated? AOL does not provide the best ISP, granted, but it's no worse than M$'s and the deal has remained the same or gotten better over the years. Contrast that to the deal that M$ has given everyone, in it's typical late commer fashion.
How silly. Red Hat was always a maintainer and distributor of their own and other people's packages. To say the result was not an OS because they are taking on other projects is like saying Honda is not a motorbike company because they buy parts from subcontractors and sell cars. Their CD runs my wife's machine, it's an operating system.
So why do so many people still use Mozilla? If anything, their license has improved since AOL purchase. Sometimes companies can get it. Let's hope the Time/Warner side of the house gets pulled in the right direction. Red Hat still works well, and is very friendly. Frindly enough to hand out on an AOL disk.
So if Red Hat is bought by AOL, I expect much of their user base will move to Mandrake, Debian, and Suse.
I doubt it. It's amazing how little software that works is replaced, not that a movement of people to Debian would be bad. =:>
Now let's look at the chorus of bunk below you.
cp somehting random sezRemember that there's a large number of people who are running Red Hat on servers because it has a reputation for being user friendly -- many (most?) servers are run by people who really haven't a clue.
I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people (gasp!) return to using Windows.
What can be said about that flame, besides it's ugly and doubtful. Anyone who has been free of M$ for a while would gag on a Windows install, be horrified at all the adverts and the poor features and performance God, all the things you never want to remember again. Even AOL users, such as myself notice.
Outhouse has I know that as a Linux enthusiast and part time advocate, I will not recommend a TimeWarner/AOL distribution.
Who could?
I don't know, who would recomend a TimeWarner browser? OK, I would. I like Mozilla. We shall see what kind of tool Red Hat becomes. Stranger things can happen. IBM, another big IP place, might just recomend and put money into free tools.
Oh well, I have to get back to work now. There seems to be no end to the hyseria here, but I can't have fun forever. By the way, did Mr. Cox even write that letter?
OK, I've got a slow wit but did anyone else notice that the article title, "Star Ballz Trumps Lucas" could just as easily been "Lucas Bows to Star Ballz." ?!?!
Of course if you were in that situation, you must not have noticed.
Bug or no bug, my machines have been running just fine. I bought them based on reviews that showed them running circles aroung Intel and they did. At the speeds the newer machines run, I'd hardly notice if they were hanging.
You statethey pretty well fouled up Netscape by forgetting there are non-AOL users of the tool...
Posting from Mozilla on Debian, I have no idea what you people are talking about. Netscape makes fine browsers that are far from dead. There are enough people, such as the Nuclear Regulatory Commision, www.nrc.gov, using their server software with good results for me to not understand that either. While Netscape is far from the "asshole in the middle" that some people might want it to be, the rest of us are happier dealing with the one sphinkter they we own and don't think of immitating it. Did AOL fire everyone at Netscape? Is that what I'm missing? While that would be sad, the remaining people seem to be able to continue providing an excellent bunch of software to the world using Open standards and free software.
While it's flattering to be quoted and I could care less about the credit, there is something sinister here. I imagine that someone has programed their robot accounts to post high scoring posts from similar threads. Devious flunkies never get up to any good. What do you think this clown wants to do with the points?
The difference between a free state and one that is oppresive is that the evil thing happened at all. There should not have had to be an outcry because the bad law should not have been passed to begin with. When laws become inconsistent, there has been a failure on the part of the government. The ultimate law of the United States is the constitution. When laws are passed that violate it, such as DMCA, Patriot Act, etc, without a constitutional ammendment, the rule of law has broken down. While we in the US believe that the consent of the governed is a primary building block of laws that are just, beware that unjust laws can be made and ignored by mobs as well ask kings.
So the first event created an outcry, will the second? Who is going to save you from jail and why should you suffer so to begin with? The law is still on the books. Those of us who recognize the inconsistency must continue to fight untill it is removed.
he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
So what's the difference between our guarantee and theirs now that we have let "terrorism" be an excuse to search without warrant? You see, when you get outside the strict limitations of the fourth ammendment for any reason you are left with nothing but an empty prommise. With Carnivore and other wiretaping, I am NOT secure in my papers and personal effects. With the Patriot Act giving the govenment access to any electronic database, I am NOT secure in papers and personal effects. With the new wire tapping devices approved for use, I am NOT secure in my house.
Far more serious free speech issues are going the wrong way. How about accademic freedom? The University of South Florida is canning a computer science teacher for saying bad things about Israel (see this Salon story). How about DeCSS? How about encryption rights? How about Digital Rights Denial? In all matters of real importance, the US federal government has proved itself wrong headed recently. So while the publishing giants feel free to swear on the public airways they own, place naked people on billboards, and do whatever else they think they can to make a buck, you and me are being stripped of the right to utter dissaproval in any meaningful way. Your comminications will be monitored (carnivore and local ISP caches), your house will be searched unreasonably(USA and Patriot acts), your property will be confiscated (standard proceedure), and you will be quiet.
What, pray tell, will M$ be able to offer AOL? Microsoft never ever held anything back. It's apparent that MicroSquish is trying to conquer all media on the PC with their goofey and inferior "standards". It's apparent that they are trying to move all PC users to the M$Notwork, with invasive advert cramming, spyware and general sleezyness for all. It's also apparent that they are trying to use their desktop share to force such bizare and awful protocalls as activeX on everyone. What will be left for anyone else in such a world? What can AOL do to help M$ achieve this, and what would they offer AOL for their complience? Will they offer to not break Netscape again? Right, who believes that one? M$ thinks it does not need AOL, and their corperate strategy makes no provisions for any other ISP but themselves.
How wrong they are. If any sizable portion of AOL users moved to Linux, M$ would be doomed. There are 100 million or so AOL users out there, almost all of them on M$ platforms. Every year, a substantial proportion of them feel forced to "upgrade" their computer due to M$ induced bit rot. What AOL can now do is offer a free OS that works to those people, who are going to throw the old computer away! Why would they not give it a try? Then swoosh, millions of Linux users are born. Did you hear that? It's the sound of M$'s PC share going to hell and all their power with it.
There is no way for AOL to destroy the modular design of Linux/GNU software. To do so, they would have to custom modify and maintain far too many packages. Why would they go to such effort and cost? The average AOL user never ever bothers to venture furthers that far, so "digital rights management" and advert cramming will be maintained by default, just like they are on M$ platforms today. AOL useres actually use AOL's client and browser there and they will under Linux. You will still be able to replace bogus packages and use the ones you want.
What this is going to be, is AOL being able to send out a shiny new CD when M$ breaks their customer's machines. The customer can sit happy knowing that they won't have to buy a new computer and that they can get the things they expect from AOL. My mom is a good example. She has used her computers for three application and only three applications. She has used AOL, Word Perfect, and Quicken. I'm not sure she uses Quicken any more. She uses AOL's instant messenger and email. The rest of her computer means nothing to her, and could be running anything. When ME meets it's two year obsolescence and her flaming nice PIII laptop starts spitting chunks, I hope AOL sends her a nice Red Hat CD. The other stuff, like Netscape, Electric Eyes, Gimp .... might have her actually use her machine some more and definatly enjoy it more. If AOL bought Correl, she would be very happy indeed.
This could kill Microsoft. It's one thing for my mom to have some friends and her son using Linux, it's another thing when she gets it, it works and does everything she wants it to. AOL has 100 million clients, think of the change in perception the world will have if just 1% revive their dead machines this way instead of buying a new $1,000 computer. AOL users, the scorn of M$ elitist derision having computers that work and cost less. Supposedly the most clueless computer population on earth suddenly having tools and stability M$ loosers pay big money for but never recieve. Surely word of mouth will sweep the world, and M$'s already weakened position with hardware makers will collapse.
Reasonable hardware standards may yet see light of day. Without M$ to hord up ever changing API's and that magic flag on the box, we may see hardware maintains stable open interfaces. I am trully filled with hope today. This is great news.
No you stupid troll, it is prudent to keep people from abusing you with the resources you provide. Censorship is keeping people from saying what they please with their own resources.
Most of those trolls seem to love Microsoft. Perhapse those loosers can provide an open peer moderated message system. Perhapse you can download the slash site and span yourelf to death.
If it were up to me, I'd delete your account, the troll accounts you created and all of your posts. What reason is there to waste space archiving all that bullshit? You have wasted a great deal of time, contributed nothing, and prevented others from having an intelligent conversation. Go away.
It's a joke, I hope you are laughing.