They seem to have missed a little something-something here.
In my experience with opensource, the points they made are correct. Often, OSS is conceived due to a need. But that is not always the case.
More often, though, I think that opensource software is created because the notion of an idealistic world. And programmers have a passion for what they do. It's often this passion that drives projects like the Gimp. Someday, sure, the gimp may be noted as an acceptable tool by the graphic arts industry. Right now, to most people, the gimp is a toy. It's something to use to create flashy web graphics and interfaces, but it's market share of REAL, PAYING, PROFESSIONAL jobs is virtually nil.
The Gimp's development is a passion of it's parents (the coders). It's the vision of an ideal software-world, where we don't have to shell out $995 for Adobe Photoshop, AND we can see how the software works, AND we can fix it if it breaks, or add a feature, if it won't do something.
Open source software development is built on a precedent of programmers who LOVE what they do. Period.
Exactly. We have ONE DSL provider here, (NB, Canada), and it's the Telco. They provide DSL modem as part of their monthly service charge. When I stop getting DSL service, they reclaim the modem. Simple as that.
The modem brings in copper from the wall jack on the 2 OTHER wires (yellow and black), and outputs Ethernet. As far as any machine I hook up knows, it's plugged directly into a hub or router. This is great for any OS I use. I can pop in a $40 Ethernet card, and if that card is supported, then DSL works.
There are no unsupported modem drivers to worry about, and almost any usable OS has SOME kind of ethernet support.
Yes. I left them out on purpose to swing your opinion MY way. I will control the world. </SARCASM>
1.Of or relating to a proprietor or to proprietors as a group: proprietary rights.
3.Befitting an owner: a proprietary air.
Happy? I didn't find them relevant to the discussion.
So, according to definition 1, rights can belong to 'proprietors as a group'. And what you seem to be getting at, AC, is that since Linux is owned by the community and the public, as a group, then it MUST be proprietary. Fine. If you want to be all symantec about it, I suppose it could be considered proprietary if you don't think about it.
Following that line of thinking, what ISN'T proprietary? Anything that isn't owned by any specific person or group must be publicly owned, thus forming a group of public proprietors, thus making it proprietary.
Following that line of thinking, proprierty is a rundundant adjective, because EVERYTHING is proprietary.
Linux is as much a proprietary system as any other since the GPL forces one to adhere to it's rules just as proprietary licenses do;
Dictionary.com says that Proprietary means: "2.Exclusively owned; private: a proprietary hospital." and "4.Owned by a private individual or corporation under a trademark or patent: a proprietary drug."
Star office is proprietary, sure, because it is owned by Sun, and it is profitable to Sun to keep it that way.
I don't see how anything under the GPL could be considered proprietary. The whole concept of GNU and the GPL are fundamentally NON-Proprietary (read FREE (not beer)).
If he's calling GPLed software proprietary simply because there are rules (the GPL) to abide by when releasing code using this liscense, then he obviously has no clue what the word means. The rules are in place for a reason.
Note the words 'private' and 'individual' in the definition of proprietary. The GPL mindset stresses community ownership and development.
I know this is quite off topic, and you're not the only one who could answer this, but what does the M stand for? I've been looking all over the place, and nothing will tell me.
Also, what is it with you Open Source guys using your middle initials? ESR, RMS..
This might seem a bit trollish, but I seriously AM curious.
Now if only they'd ship it with an ethernet card...
I can see why it would be easier, and more profitable for them to ship a modem rather than an ethernet card. They can charge for their dialup service, and they don't have to worry about things like cable modem DHCP issues. But a modem is going to be of NO USE to a lot of people. I can't have my phone line tied up with data calls, that's part of the reason I have DSL. Then again, I imagine that most of their market will be people with nothing but a phone line in their house.
How much will the price get augmented by something somewhat useless as a hard drive on a console? I'm not cool with paying $100-200 extra for a somewhat inexpensive console just so I can cache web pages, and store ugly e-cards from my aunt Darlene.
Competition is good, I just hope that Sony has considered consumers in this, instead of starting a peeing contest with Microsoft.
From the FAQ: LART stands for Linux Advanced Radio Terminal.
Well, it's a darn good thing that Linus didn't name the OS after his country, Finland. "Finux" would be a terribly unfortunate name when it came to the LART.
While that SEEMS like a great idea that would work, we already have (some) trouble getting SOFTWARE drivers to work properly for some hardware on Linux, if the company won't release software drivers, what's to say that they'll release firmware drivers?
Or what's to say that they won't charge extra for the hardware because it's being used on an 'under supported' 'minority' or 'rebel' OS?
What gives is that, as I understand it, winmodems are missing a big chunk of conventional modem HARDWARE that is made up in SOFTWARE as a driver. To create a video card driver, one only (although not trivial) needs to figure out how to access the video card.
The winmodem concept applied to a videocard would be a card missing video ram, frequency generators, and rendering algorithms. It would essentially be a PCI/AGP card with (s)VGA plug on the end.
I'm sure you're correct, but I also believe this to be a marketing strategy. Remember the 486 line? The SX33 and the DX33 were the same chip with a little bit of doctoring done. The SX chips were simply DXs with the math coprocessor disabled. It was THERE, just (almost) impossible to use.
Intel could sell the SX line cheaper than the DX line, for home/unpower users, and sell the DX chips to business/high output (for the time) users.
One assembly line, two marketing campaigns.
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It's YTV and Reboot. Not VTV and Robot.
Reboot is an early computer-animated series. It's actually quite bad. They don't pay MUCH attention to lighting or textures, and the 'camera' work is terrible. As far as CGI series go, Reboot sucks. This probably explains why YTV picked it up.
YTV is a Canadian Television station. It's broadcast coast to coast, based out of Toronto. It's probably owned or controlled in some way by Moses Znaimer, because he controls our pop culture. YTV is a pretty pathetic attempt at making "Youth Television". Especially with the CRTC's stupid Canadian Content rules. YTV was the host to the unfortunate "You Can't Do That on Television", a late 80's - early 90's show where Alanis Morisette would get Green Slime dumped on her head for saying "I don't know".
Screw Adobe, for not porting their SGI version to Linux.
I'm assuming you're talking about Photoshop.
There was an SGI version as you say, as well as a Sparc version.
Note I said WAS. Waaaay back in version 3.x. Adobe would sell approximately _0_ copies of photoshop if they were to port the SGI/Sparc sources now. Who wants a 4 year old image manipulator? It didn't even come with editable text, or layer effects, and undo was only one level deep.
The Gimp is years ahead of this. Unfortunately, we're still playing catchup with Photoshop 5.x.
If Adobe would port Photoshop NOW -- the new version from the win32/mac sources, we'd be talking.
But, what does this prove? What good is an un netted IRC server?
Sure, people can gather there, but that's not what IRC is about. That's like putting up a public website, but denying all requests from any net but 192.168.x.x. The website still works, but it's barely useful.
I see that irc.nbnet.nb.ca is down now. Doesn't even let me make a connection to 6667. Guess they got tired of fighting off attacks, like you said.
My primary EFNet server (through my ISP, irc.nbnet.nb.ca) is now unlinked - to ANY net. The MOTD says something along the lines of "This server has been taken offline for an indefinate amount of time due to DDoS attacks"
_WHAT_?
I mean, if the server can dish out the MOTD, why can't it just keep trying to reconnect to EFNet.
I emailed my ISP. I stated that I had been using IRC for about 6 years and how unhappy I was with their decision to take the server down, and they sent back a letter listing other IRC servers that I could use. Gee, thanks. I've only been using IRC for longer than irc.nbnet.nb.ca existed. I had no CLUE that there were other servers out there. Wow. They opened up a whole new world to me.
*eyeroll*
Re:But is this really for the better?
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I think many of us are forgetting the REASON the stock price went down. Sure, it's common for prices to go down with news like this, but the actual reason it went down is because investors don't WANT the stock anymore. They lower their asking price, and investors who want IN don't have to pay as much.
It's been pointed out that investors should have seen this coming. Well, a lot of them did, and that's why the price went down. They sold. It's like a landslide. First a few people sell, then many others panic and sell MSFT like it's dirt.
If I'm not mistaken, the mainframes have the ability to run that many individual copies of linux, completely separate from each other.
For instance, if grits.example.com, meept.example.com, and beowulf.example.com were all running off of the same mainframe, each would have it's own linux. Take down the MEEPT machine, no problems for grits and beowulf, they should keep on ticking. More than virtual hosting, this would be (in theory) the same as having 41 thousand different machines running webservers.
I'll have to surf through my cable to find out which channel is PBS. I think we still get it here(NB, Canada). Last I watched PBS, it was Maine Public Broadcasting, but I checked here to no avail. Any flannelplaid wearers in Maine care to help me out?
...small fraction of Slashdot readers who live in or near a particular city...
I'm driving from Moncton, NB, Canada to get there. It's a 10 hour drive, plus we have to deal with four 20-24 year olds crossing the border (yeah, I'll prolly have my car ripped to sheds by "Enid" the 300 pound customs officer with a skirt that's WAAAY too short and a moustache).
Anyway, my point is that it's not only for a small number of individuals who live in or near Boston.
Is there a prize for the guy who drives the farthest? (-:
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They seem to have missed a little something-something here.
In my experience with opensource, the points they made are correct. Often, OSS is conceived due to a need. But that is not always the case.
More often, though, I think that opensource software is created because the notion of an idealistic world. And programmers have a passion for what they do. It's often this passion that drives projects like the Gimp. Someday, sure, the gimp may be noted as an acceptable tool by the graphic arts industry. Right now, to most people, the gimp is a toy. It's something to use to create flashy web graphics and interfaces, but it's market share of REAL, PAYING, PROFESSIONAL jobs is virtually nil.
The Gimp's development is a passion of it's parents (the coders). It's the vision of an ideal software-world, where we don't have to shell out $995 for Adobe Photoshop, AND we can see how the software works, AND we can fix it if it breaks, or add a feature, if it won't do something.
Open source software development is built on a precedent of programmers who LOVE what they do. Period.
Exactly. We have ONE DSL provider here, (NB, Canada), and it's the Telco. They provide DSL modem as part of their monthly service charge. When I stop getting DSL service, they reclaim the modem. Simple as that.
The modem brings in copper from the wall jack on the 2 OTHER wires (yellow and black), and outputs Ethernet. As far as any machine I hook up knows, it's plugged directly into a hub or router. This is great for any OS I use. I can pop in a $40 Ethernet card, and if that card is supported, then DSL works.
There are no unsupported modem drivers to worry about, and almost any usable OS has SOME kind of ethernet support.
Give me pay-once downloadable mpeg's, and then I'll be happy.
Ah, but then evil HACKERS will pirate the movies using their elite underground network of black market bootleggers.
(heh. I feel like a journalist.)
If all the books are online, in digital form, what will the firemen of the future do? It's pretty hard to torch a distributed network.
Yes. I left them out on purpose to swing your opinion MY way. I will control the world.
</SARCASM>
1.Of or relating to a proprietor or to proprietors as a group: proprietary rights.
3.Befitting an owner: a proprietary air.
Happy?
I didn't find them relevant to the discussion.
So, according to definition 1, rights can belong to 'proprietors as a group'. And what you seem to be getting at, AC, is that since Linux is owned by the community and the public, as a group, then it MUST be proprietary. Fine. If you want to be all symantec about it, I suppose it could be considered proprietary if you don't think about it.
Following that line of thinking, what ISN'T proprietary? Anything that isn't owned by any specific person or group must be publicly owned, thus forming a group of public proprietors, thus making it proprietary.
Following that line of thinking, proprierty is a rundundant adjective, because EVERYTHING is proprietary.
Linux is as much a proprietary system as any other since the GPL forces one to adhere to it's rules just as proprietary licenses do;
Dictionary.com says that Proprietary means:
"2.Exclusively owned; private: a proprietary hospital."
and
"4.Owned by a private individual or corporation under a trademark or patent: a proprietary drug."
Star office is proprietary, sure, because it is owned by Sun, and it is profitable to Sun to keep it that way.
I don't see how anything under the GPL could be considered proprietary. The whole concept of GNU and the GPL are fundamentally NON-Proprietary (read FREE (not beer)).
If he's calling GPLed software proprietary simply because there are rules (the GPL) to abide by when releasing code using this liscense, then he obviously has no clue what the word means. The rules are in place for a reason.
Note the words 'private' and 'individual' in the definition of proprietary. The GPL mindset stresses community ownership and development.
I know this is quite off topic, and you're not the only one who could answer this, but what does the M stand for? I've been looking all over the place, and nothing will tell me.
Also, what is it with you Open Source guys using your middle initials? ESR, RMS..
This might seem a bit trollish, but I seriously AM curious.
Now if only they'd ship it with an ethernet card...
I can see why it would be easier, and more profitable for them to ship a modem rather than an ethernet card. They can charge for their dialup service, and they don't have to worry about things like cable modem DHCP issues. But a modem is going to be of NO USE to a lot of people. I can't have my phone line tied up with data calls, that's part of the reason I have DSL. Then again, I imagine that most of their market will be people with nothing but a phone line in their house.
How much will the price get augmented by something somewhat useless as a hard drive on a console? I'm not cool with paying $100-200 extra for a somewhat inexpensive console just so I can cache web pages, and store ugly e-cards from my aunt Darlene.
Competition is good, I just hope that Sony has considered consumers in this, instead of starting a peeing contest with Microsoft.
From the FAQ: LART stands for Linux Advanced Radio Terminal.
Well, it's a darn good thing that Linus didn't name the OS after his country, Finland. "Finux" would be a terribly unfortunate name when it came to the LART.
While that SEEMS like a great idea that would work, we already have (some) trouble getting SOFTWARE drivers to work properly for some hardware on Linux, if the company won't release software drivers, what's to say that they'll release firmware drivers?
Or what's to say that they won't charge extra for the hardware because it's being used on an 'under supported' 'minority' or 'rebel' OS?
What gives is that, as I understand it, winmodems are missing a big chunk of conventional modem HARDWARE that is made up in SOFTWARE as a driver. To create a video card driver, one only (although not trivial) needs to figure out how to access the video card.
The winmodem concept applied to a videocard would be a card missing video ram, frequency generators, and rendering algorithms. It would essentially be a PCI/AGP card with (s)VGA plug on the end.
I'm sure you're correct, but I also believe this to be a marketing strategy. Remember the 486 line? The SX33 and the DX33 were the same chip with a little bit of doctoring done. The SX chips were simply DXs with the math coprocessor disabled. It was THERE, just (almost) impossible to use.
Intel could sell the SX line cheaper than the DX line, for home/unpower users, and sell the DX chips to business/high output (for the time) users.
One assembly line, two marketing campaigns.
It's YTV and Reboot. Not VTV and Robot.
Reboot is an early computer-animated series. It's actually quite bad. They don't pay MUCH attention to lighting or textures, and the 'camera' work is terrible. As far as CGI series go, Reboot sucks. This probably explains why YTV picked it up.
YTV is a Canadian Television station. It's broadcast coast to coast, based out of Toronto. It's probably owned or controlled in some way by Moses Znaimer, because he controls our pop culture. YTV is a pretty pathetic attempt at making "Youth Television". Especially with the CRTC's stupid Canadian Content rules. YTV was the host to the unfortunate "You Can't Do That on Television", a late 80's - early 90's show where Alanis Morisette would get Green Slime dumped on her head for saying "I don't know".
Yay Canada.
Screw Adobe, for not porting their SGI version to Linux.
I'm assuming you're talking about Photoshop.
There was an SGI version as you say, as well as a Sparc version.
Note I said WAS. Waaaay back in version 3.x. Adobe would sell approximately _0_ copies of photoshop if they were to port the SGI/Sparc sources now. Who wants a 4 year old image manipulator? It didn't even come with editable text, or layer effects, and undo was only one level deep.
The Gimp is years ahead of this. Unfortunately, we're still playing catchup with Photoshop 5.x.
If Adobe would port Photoshop NOW -- the new version from the win32/mac sources, we'd be talking.
Riight.. dipping Cesium in a water-based substance like cola is just ingenius. (-:
"Make your soda POP"
I see your point.
But, what does this prove? What good is an un netted IRC server?
Sure, people can gather there, but that's not what IRC is about. That's like putting up a public website, but denying all requests from any net but 192.168.x.x. The website still works, but it's barely useful.
I see that irc.nbnet.nb.ca is down now. Doesn't even let me make a connection to 6667. Guess they got tired of fighting off attacks, like you said.
More like does HE win if a human doesn't actually answer any of the questions?
This mentality sucks.
My primary EFNet server (through my ISP, irc.nbnet.nb.ca) is now unlinked - to ANY net. The MOTD says something along the lines of "This server has been taken offline for an indefinate amount of time due to DDoS attacks"
_WHAT_?
I mean, if the server can dish out the MOTD, why can't it just keep trying to reconnect to EFNet.
I emailed my ISP. I stated that I had been using IRC for about 6 years and how unhappy I was with their decision to take the server down, and they sent back a letter listing other IRC servers that I could use. Gee, thanks. I've only been using IRC for longer than irc.nbnet.nb.ca existed. I had no CLUE that there were other servers out there. Wow. They opened up a whole new world to me.
*eyeroll*
I think many of us are forgetting the REASON the stock price went down. Sure, it's common for prices to go down with news like this, but the actual reason it went down is because investors don't WANT the stock anymore. They lower their asking price, and investors who want IN don't have to pay as much.
It's been pointed out that investors should have seen this coming. Well, a lot of them did, and that's why the price went down. They sold. It's like a landslide. First a few people sell, then many others panic and sell MSFT like it's dirt.
If I'm not mistaken, the mainframes have the ability to run that many individual copies of linux, completely separate from each other.
For instance, if grits.example.com, meept.example.com, and beowulf.example.com were all running off of the same mainframe, each would have it's own linux. Take down the MEEPT machine, no problems for grits and beowulf, they should keep on ticking. More than virtual hosting, this would be (in theory) the same as having 41 thousand different machines running webservers.
I'll have to surf through my cable to find out which channel is PBS. I think we still get it here(NB, Canada). Last I watched PBS, it was Maine Public Broadcasting, but I checked here to no avail. Any flannelplaid wearers in Maine care to help me out?
Les 'grits' sont une type de déjeuner. Ils sont une céréale chaud, un peu comme le gruau.
-- wow my french is getting rusty. --
...small fraction of Slashdot readers who live in or near a particular city...
I'm driving from Moncton, NB, Canada to get there. It's a 10 hour drive, plus we have to deal with four 20-24 year olds crossing the border (yeah, I'll prolly have my car ripped to sheds by "Enid" the 300 pound customs officer with a skirt that's WAAAY too short and a moustache).
Anyway, my point is that it's not only for a small number of individuals who live in or near Boston.
Is there a prize for the guy who drives the farthest? (-:
Just thought I'd let you know that this made me groan so loudly that the boss is sending me home 'cause he thinks I'm sick...
You know that that whole camera-zoom-around-the-apt.-thing is all CG? I've seen the wireframes, and it's amazing. They were in a mag called Cinefex.