But in five years when the majority of the public has high def TVs, the Wii will be the most dated console within its lifetime the industry has ever seen...
Outdated? Like DS? Anyway, in five years, Wii 2 will be out with HD support. Sorry dude.
There's actually very many security holes found in Opera compared to its very low user base.
Opera doesn't get fewer or more security flaws depending on the user base. Security researchers actively look for holes in Opera, as should be apparent by the few that are found.
Also, not everyone agrees that their security handling is the best.
Asa trolling about Opera. What's new? Not exactly an objective source.
I remember the jpeg security bug which bit everyone, and everyone fixed. Even Microsoft treated it as critical and severe, but Opera? It was branded a "cosmetic" bug in the release notes of the next release, and no notification of the security hole, urging customers to upgrade.
Which one? URL?
Some also seem to think that their security model is flawed
Wow, Opera 7! You have to go that far back to find some dirt on Opera? Opera has disallowed access to file:// from remote locations for ages now.
(in addition to not understanding vulnerability reports)
You mean like Mozilla, who have yet to fix the password manager flaw properly?
But back to the point -- with closed source, you just can't know what else lurks under the hood
So you personally look up every single code change in Firefox related to security flaws?
That a previously reported bug has reappeared in later versions might indicate the latter -- once what's in front changes, the inside becomes vulnerable again.
Like Firefox's still vulnerable password manager? Or the XUL exploit which has been unpatched for what, several years now?
Even if you disagree with all of the opinions of Opera having more than their share of security issues and a less than desirable way of treating them, saying that Opera is secure because all known security holes have been patched is just plain wrong. If that was the case, software that no-one has tested would be 100% safe, because there's no known holes.
Except Opera is being actively tested by security researchers. And even in Firefox, the primary way to find security flaws is to use the program rather than to read the code.
In reality, there's always more holes that no-one have detected
Which is true for Firefox too, even with the open source code.
With Opera, that's far less scrutiny than Firefox and IE
Baseless assumption.
Based on customer base, Opera has more found security bugs than both Firefox and IE, which doesn't bode well for the number of undiscovered ones.
Yes, as I said, the DS is an extremely slow device, even compared to mobile phones. Firefox/Gecko wouldn't even be able to run on it in the first place. I am not surprised that Pocket IE is faster. PDAs have a lot more power after all. Even ancient ones.
If you are running Linux that could be it. I'm on Windows myself. There may be some tweaks you can do to get Opera to perform better on Linux. The next version has apparently fixed some performance problems on that platform. But the Windows version is definitely not slow.
De-bloat Opera? What is there to de-bloat? Opera is smaller and faster than Firefox. Sure, it has lots of additional features, but those don't affect performance unless you start using them, and they remain hidden/disabled too. And again, it's still a much smaller download than Firefox (if you compare the English downloads for Windows). Heck, on Linux and Mac the difference is even worse for Firefox.
Because it is. Opera IS smaller and faster. If you read the sentence you just quoted carefully, you will notice that I pointed out that Opera runs on phones Gecko simply cannot run on because its footprint is too large. Opera has actually been used on phones with as little as 4 MB of memory. The Minimo developer(s) had a goal of being able to run Minimo on systems with 32-64 MB, far more than Opera needs. Opera even runs on the Nintendo DS, and that system is slow even compared to mobile phones. The CPU runs at 67 MHz or so! Good luck getting Gecko to run on something that slow.
Another example: OLPC. They had to double the amount of RAM to get Firefox to run properly. Opera ran perfectly with half the RAM required for Firefox.
So yes, Opera's rendering engine (Presto) is significantly smaller and requires significantly less resources than Gecko. It was designed from the ground up to run on anything from a mobile phone to a high-end PC. Not so with Gecko.
That's odd because I've got Opera 9 running on quite a few low-end computers and it works fine. And according to speed tests, Opera 9 is actually faster than Opera 6.
No, I was referring to Opera Mobile. It has been preinstalled on phones with as little as 4 MB of memory or so. It might not run on all phones, but it certainly runs on phones that Gecko could never even dream of touching. Oh, and it runs on the Nintendo DS Lite, which is underpowered even compared to today's mobile phones.
Whether Opera has become slower or not, I don't know. But it's still faster than Firefox. Much faster. And Firefox uses more memory. Opera can run on mobile phones, remember. Same engine on desktop and mobile. No such luck with Gecko. Minimo is still extremely bloated compared to Opera's Presto engine.
Oh yeah, and this shows Opera 9 to be faster than Opera 6 at most things. The things Opera 6 is faster at, it's only marginally faster than Opera 9. The things Opera 9 is faster at, it absolutely kills Opera 6. And the next "major" version of Opera is supposed to be even faster!
Several comments in that blog already point out the obvious: Opera already does this. It runs perfectly even on old hardware, and you won't even have to sacrifice any functionality. Hell, there's even K-Meleon, which uses Gecko.
"Nate is CNET.co.uk's expert on digital music and portable media"
Expert? He hasn't even figured out that the Opera browser even runs on mobile phones, and using the same engine as the desktop version...
Opera automatically spoofs as other browser for many major sites like Microsoft, Yahoo and eBay, actually. And they spoof in a way that the useragent string doesn't show "Opera" at all.
Actually, anytime a company focuses on a "New Demographic" they, by necessity abandon the old.
No they don't. PlayStation 2 sold to casual gamers because of things like SingStar and Guitar Hero. And yet there are tons of "hardcore" games as well.
Everyone's been crowing about how the Wii is expanding the market, but in doing so they had to choose to abandon the current market.
No they didn't. They can make games for both casual gamers and hardcore gamers.
So, yes, Nintendo abandonned the hardcore gamers years ago
No they didn't.
If they abandoned the hardcore gamers, what's with titles like Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, etc.? Even Super Mario Galaxy.
The Wii and it's games completely and utterly caters to the lowest common denominator of gamer, it's well 'party' and kiddy stuff only with a few good but extremely rare exceptions.
Huh? The Wii itself and the controller can be used for any kind of game.
The Wii controller turned out to be the gimmick some speculated it might be
Huh? In what way? The way the Wii remote works is of little relevance or use? Say that to those who have played, say, Metroid Prime 3, and talk about how awesome the controls are.
Instead of improving your average games or rather revoloutionising them, it simply dumbed them down or made them awkward
What average games, and how were they awkward?
I have no problem with party games or kiddy games, I do have a problem with a distinct lack of other games though, a Zelda here and a Metroid Prime there doesn't make a real system to me.
Uh, what about Super Smash Bros, Red Steel, Resident Evil, Super Paper Mario, Trauma Center, Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, etc.?
You've got your ho-hum graphics which I can let slide if it makes up for it or has a huge library of awesome games (like the PS2) but sadly, it doesn't.
Uh, the console is still early in its life cycle. There is always a lack of games at first.
or it'll be that one trick Wii sports wonder for each christmas but these gamers won't purchase many more.
Or some found it to be fun, and want more, and thus "upgrade" to other, more traditional games.
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Just because the next Nintendo console is coming out in five years doesn't mean that Wii will suddenly die. PS2 is still very much alive, remember.
We know that Opera is secure because there are few known security holes, and they've all been patched. Opera has an excellent security track record.
Yes, as I said, the DS is an extremely slow device, even compared to mobile phones. Firefox/Gecko wouldn't even be able to run on it in the first place. I am not surprised that Pocket IE is faster. PDAs have a lot more power after all. Even ancient ones.
If you are running Linux that could be it. I'm on Windows myself. There may be some tweaks you can do to get Opera to perform better on Linux. The next version has apparently fixed some performance problems on that platform. But the Windows version is definitely not slow.
De-bloat Opera? What is there to de-bloat? Opera is smaller and faster than Firefox. Sure, it has lots of additional features, but those don't affect performance unless you start using them, and they remain hidden/disabled too. And again, it's still a much smaller download than Firefox (if you compare the English downloads for Windows). Heck, on Linux and Mac the difference is even worse for Firefox.
Another example: OLPC. They had to double the amount of RAM to get Firefox to run properly. Opera ran perfectly with half the RAM required for Firefox.
So yes, Opera's rendering engine (Presto) is significantly smaller and requires significantly less resources than Gecko. It was designed from the ground up to run on anything from a mobile phone to a high-end PC. Not so with Gecko.
He wanted security, remember :D
Opera for Palm? You mean Opera Mini? That's something completely different. Opera Mini is just a thin client. You are comparing apples and oranges.
That's odd because I've got Opera 9 running on quite a few low-end computers and it works fine. And according to speed tests, Opera 9 is actually faster than Opera 6.
To clarify: Yes, the DS browser does indeed use the same engine as the desktop version.
No, I was referring to Opera Mobile. It has been preinstalled on phones with as little as 4 MB of memory or so. It might not run on all phones, but it certainly runs on phones that Gecko could never even dream of touching. Oh, and it runs on the Nintendo DS Lite, which is underpowered even compared to today's mobile phones.
Oh yeah, and this shows Opera 9 to be faster than Opera 6 at most things. The things Opera 6 is faster at, it's only marginally faster than Opera 9. The things Opera 9 is faster at, it absolutely kills Opera 6. And the next "major" version of Opera is supposed to be even faster!
Actually, it was going to be called Phoenix. Then Firebird. THEN Firefox ;)
"Nate is CNET.co.uk's expert on digital music and portable media"
Expert? He hasn't even figured out that the Opera browser even runs on mobile phones, and using the same engine as the desktop version...
Wooosh! Right over your head...
Except the Bible has several stories about people testing God.
Hired through Slashdot! Not bad, hehe...
Looks like someone applied for a job at Google, but didn't get hired...
No, Opera automatically spoofs based on a list of sites which is updated regularly from an online resource.
Opera automatically spoofs as other browser for many major sites like Microsoft, Yahoo and eBay, actually. And they spoof in a way that the useragent string doesn't show "Opera" at all.
If they abandoned the hardcore gamers, what's with titles like Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, etc.? Even Super Mario Galaxy.