...because his favorite browser Firefox is still slower than Opera, and a far bigger download even if it doesn't have half the features. Heck, Mozilla's "mobile" browser requires fifteen times more memory or so than the mobile Opera version to run.
Yeah, yeah, give it to me Mozilla fans... I know I'm not supposed to say anything about the stupid comment CmdrTaco added to the story.
WebCore vs. Opera on mobile phones? Heh.
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"There are beta versions of WebCore browsers for Series 60 'phones and the '770 floating around, and they stack up quite well against Opera"
Really? Have you actually tried to run this new browser on a normal mobile phone, and not a monster with 50-100 MB RAM, which is the only thing they've been running it on so far?
Opera runs comfortably on extremely low-end phones. WebCore does not.
Nokia has a deal with Opera, but also pumps money into Mozilla, cooperates with Apple/uses WebCore, and has even been working on other browsers as well.
If Nokia can bet their money on multiple browsers, why can't Google?
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"Perhaps they wish to buy (and then bury) the Opera browser?"
Of course not. Opera is the only viable mobile browser. Mozilla's browser is too bloated, and the other wannabe browsers are simply crappy at rendering pages.
"Firefox is innovative even without tabbed browsing."
Hmm, OK? What has Firefox innovated, then? List a few features, if you don't mind. about:config? What else?
"This is why people are sarcastic, and whenever MS includes something that has obvious prior art, they joke about MS claiming it as one of their own innovations."
The problem with this is that Mozilla, too, claims prior art as their own innovations. Look at mobile browsers, where the Minimo devs keep bragging about how great Minimo will be and how they've solved all the problems with mobile browsing. Opera did all those things ages ago!
And most of the new features in Firefox 1.5? Opera has them already.
"Uhh, it's a game console. The only spyware that Sony could possibly put on me is what games I play and if I happened to be on the Internet playing them. If I did hook it up to the Internet to play the games they'd know all of that anyway. I don't see your point."
Sony will do the DRM thing on PS3. And besides, if you buy something from Sony, you are supporting their DRM efforts. And you never know what they might do next... They could already now be planning something big for the PS3, like the digital equivalent of stabbing you in the eye.
"Anytime discussion about Nintendo comes up people always point to the interesting and educational cartoons that Nintendo puts out."
Why would they point that out to you when they could just explain to you that Nintendo's consoles have gory games too?
"No. I can understand that you're a Nintendo fan now, but aren't you kind of trolling? Yeah, I thought so."
If I'm trolling, then what are you doing when you are asking those who are positive about the Revolution to shut up while you jump to all sorts of conclusions? If Nintendo fans have to wait, why do you keep going on about it?
"Being a "Sony Adult" and watching the random offerings of Nintendo over recent years, I can't find a single shred of evidence that will make me believe that I should move away from the PS3 for the Revolution."
Apart from the fact that Sony is the rootkit/spyware company, and it is a risk to let their products anywhere near your house?
"Everyone says, "well it looks like the Revolution could do interesting things" but based on MY experience and knowledge it's going to be a whole slew of cartoonish and childlike gaming all over again."
There are lots of "gory games for teens who want to be adults" available for the GameCube, you know. Maybe Nintendo creates these "cartoonish and childlike" games internally, but there are other games that are not made by Nintendo. Haven't you paid attention?
"I'm more interested in REAL REVOLUTION. Something I have not seen before. Sadly, that's nearly impossible to accomplish."
So you'll just stick with the PS3, which is definitely not going to bring about a revoution?
"So let's dump the karma whoring Revolution++ rhetoric and instead wait until we see what the Revolution offers after it's been on the market for a year."
I can understand that you are a Sony fan now, but aren't you kind of contradicting yourself? Why are you allowed to judge the Revolution before it is released (it won't have gory games (which it will, but never mind facts...)), but those who praise it should just shut up already?
Because those are the people who have been supporting Opera through the years. Ignoring your fans is a bad thing, as Opera knows. God, I sure hope you aren't working in customer relations or anything like that...
"and i must have been all wrong when i researcher their marketing employees in texas"
Ah, students. Think they know everything. "Ooh, I read something in a text book, and now I'm an expert!"
"i'd like to imagine that opera consistently ranks high with page display issues. higher than other browsers."
Not really. Firefox couldn't even display Slashdot correctly until recently, and Slashdot's one of the main Firefox fan bases. How's that for "page display issues"?
"and opera mini works great on psions, which is great news for all 4,000 owners - versus moving it toward a platform like palm or another usa platform of choice for integrated devices"
LOL! How clueless can you be?! Opera Mini works on just about any phone with Java support. Which today means just about all of them. That's more than four thousand. We are talking billions of devices here.
You really need to get a clue before commenting on things.
So Linus is a power user who wants to tweak everything, and that's fine. But isn't the exact opposite of his attitude what brought success to Firefox in the first place? Mozilla wasn't successful until they "dumbed down" the browser until it was really easy to use, and it made for an easier switch than the old Mozilla monster.
I am primarily a Windows user, but I do prefer KDE when I use Linux. However, I see no reason to bash Gnome for, well, aren't they doing exactly what Firefox did?
And for nitpickers: With the subject for this post I was referring to two different ways to do GUIS - KDE vs. Gnome/Firefox:) If I am correct in assuming that Gnome is in fact going the "Firefox way", of course, which could be completely wrong:P
Blah blah blah fancy words. Of course this is a marketing stunt. Of course they want more users. What on earth do you think the purpose would be otherwise?
The point is that there's nothing sinister about this. They want to keep in touch with the user base, and they want to do something "crazy". Giving one user the chance to get his face on Times Square.
You are insinuating that they are actually misleading their fans, which just proves that you simply don't know anything about the company. This is not IBM or Microsoft. This is a small Norwegian company that has been doing browsers for ten years.
"the Opera web browser itself has never really taken off"
Of course not. Opera has had to worry about the bottom line, being the only independent browser maker. They had to make money, and couldn't rely on donations. So they had to sell it, until they figured out that if they got a better deal with Google they could give it away for free.
"In the end, for some weird reason, Opera has been around for longer than Firefox but still Firefox seems much more popular."
Because Firefox came at the right time, when IE security issues were really being focused on, and it was free, and it got lots of hype.
"The fact that Opera came up with good ideas is of course nice, but it doesn't make it the best..."
"Best" is a matter of opinion, but smaller, faster, and yet more functional and innovative doesn't exactly sound like a crappy product.
"And to make matters worse, I just went to the forum where you can see uploaded pictures for the contest. If the 7 (yes that's right . . . seven) people that uploaded pictures as of the time that I visited the forum are any representation of Opera users, then I think that this ad campaign isn't going to get the demographically perfect person . .."
You are assuming that Opera is looking for the "perfect person". This isn't a huge corporation we are talking about. It's a tiny company from Northern Europe which isn't exactly known for its bragging.
You obviously don't know anything about Opera Software. They are doing this as a thank you to their community, and they've just turned 10. Yes, the company has been around for ten years, and only now are they starting to do this kind of thing.
Cynicism is good, but you are just proving your ignorance. Opera keeps in touch with its users. How often do you see Mozilla employees/representatives answering support questions over at MozillaZine?
Oh, and there are lots more than seven people there.
"I just don't get Opera. It doesn't come with anything."
What do you mean doesn't come with anything? "Isn't bundled with any OSes", or "doesn't have any features"? Opera has loads of useful features, if that's what you are talking about. And the good thing is that they don't get in the way if you don't want them/need them.
"It's harder to install than Firefox on Linux and OpenBSD."
Opera is available for FreeBSD, not OpenBSD, and on Linux the installation depends on your distribution. It's got nothing to do with Opera itself since the installation uses standard packages for various distributions. If your distribution is user friendly, the installation of Opera for that distribution is user friently.
"Not as good as Safari on OS X"
I disagree. It's smaller and faster, and has a lot of useful features that simply beat Safari, hands down.
"and on windows well I just don't get why I'd want to trade one fully closed browser for another."
Because Opera is smaller and faster, and it even has a better security record than Firefox.
"Also I've yet to have anybody tell me what it brings to the party that Firefox doesn't."
It's smaller, faster, and innovative. It also gives you lots of useful features without having to mess around with buggy extensions that get bolted on and clutter up the UI. Opera's UI is well thought out and everything simply works.
"must admit that the idea is cool - though the software is less than that."
Opera is less than cool?
I don't know what you define as "cool", but I'd say that being smaller and faster than other browsers, and still having lots of useful features (that don't get in the way, by the way!) built in without the need to mess around with extensions is pretty darn cool.
Not to mention the new Opera Mini browser which works on just about all mobile phones and is available for free.
And of course the innovation which has helped shape the modern browser. The now standard search field and popup blocking? Opera came up with those. And countless other features we take for granted today.
Yeah, I did find that if I took a break from Slashdot for a couple of days, I would often get mod points. But I haven't, and I have taken plenty of breaks. And I actually don't comment on most stories I read anyway.
I think I've been punished for something, whatever that might be. And why should the admins care? They have tousands of potential moderators, so it doesn't matter to them if they kick out those who cross the line even a little, according to them.
So yeah, it awards mod points if you aren't a rabid and eager Slashdot reader, but the thing is that it's been several months now, and at times I take breaks from Slashdot and only visit it a couple of times a week. That used to give me mod points, but no more.
Look at what kind of sites are linking to the site... "SEO Chat", "Increase Web Site Traffic", "Boost Your Search Engine Ranking", etc.
What the heck is going on here?
Maybe someone should sign up with the nick "* * * Abc" and submit stories like mad to see if the Slashdot editors just pick the first nick with a somewhat interesting story...
"I didn't even realize it until you mentioned it, but what's up with the modding? I used to get mod points on a weekly basis, but I think it's been over a year since I've had any mod points. I sure don't remember participating in any sort of great uncovering of Slashdot secrets that would deserve such a response...?"
Indeed.
I suddenly stopped getting mod points too, and I can't figure out why.
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Yeah, it's just too bad that Minimo is rather bloated and requires a lot of memory. Fifteen times more memory than Opera or so...
Yeah, yeah, give it to me Mozilla fans... I know I'm not supposed to say anything about the stupid comment CmdrTaco added to the story.
Opera runs comfortably on extremely low-end phones. WebCore does not.
If Nokia can bet their money on multiple browsers, why can't Google?
And most of the new features in Firefox 1.5? Opera has them already.
Wasn't Nintendo's online service supposed to be free?
Because those are the people who have been supporting Opera through the years. Ignoring your fans is a bad thing, as Opera knows. God, I sure hope you aren't working in customer relations or anything like that...
You really need to get a clue before commenting on things.
I am primarily a Windows user, but I do prefer KDE when I use Linux. However, I see no reason to bash Gnome for, well, aren't they doing exactly what Firefox did?
And for nitpickers: With the subject for this post I was referring to two different ways to do GUIS - KDE vs. Gnome/Firefox :) If I am correct in assuming that Gnome is in fact going the "Firefox way", of course, which could be completely wrong :P
Funny, then, how Opera is smaller and faster, yet less buggy than Firefox...
Might as well start over with a new account I guess...
The point is that there's nothing sinister about this. They want to keep in touch with the user base, and they want to do something "crazy". Giving one user the chance to get his face on Times Square.
You are insinuating that they are actually misleading their fans, which just proves that you simply don't know anything about the company. This is not IBM or Microsoft. This is a small Norwegian company that has been doing browsers for ten years.
You obviously don't know anything about Opera Software. They are doing this as a thank you to their community, and they've just turned 10. Yes, the company has been around for ten years, and only now are they starting to do this kind of thing.
Cynicism is good, but you are just proving your ignorance. Opera keeps in touch with its users. How often do you see Mozilla employees/representatives answering support questions over at MozillaZine?
Oh, and there are lots more than seven people there.
I don't know what you define as "cool", but I'd say that being smaller and faster than other browsers, and still having lots of useful features (that don't get in the way, by the way!) built in without the need to mess around with extensions is pretty darn cool.
Not to mention the new Opera Mini browser which works on just about all mobile phones and is available for free.
And of course the innovation which has helped shape the modern browser. The now standard search field and popup blocking? Opera came up with those. And countless other features we take for granted today.
I think I've been punished for something, whatever that might be. And why should the admins care? They have tousands of potential moderators, so it doesn't matter to them if they kick out those who cross the line even a little, according to them.
So yeah, it awards mod points if you aren't a rabid and eager Slashdot reader, but the thing is that it's been several months now, and at times I take breaks from Slashdot and only visit it a couple of times a week. That used to give me mod points, but no more.
What the heck is going on here?
Maybe someone should sign up with the nick "* * * Abc" and submit stories like mad to see if the Slashdot editors just pick the first nick with a somewhat interesting story...
I suddenly stopped getting mod points too, and I can't figure out why.
You would benefit from taking your own advice. As it stands now, you are nothing but a hypocrite. And a troll.
Then again, I know that you are just trolling, and that's why no one takes you seriously.
That you are now desperate to attack me as a person proves yet again that you have lost the discussion.
I feel sorry for you.