See, there you go again. No, phantomfive, I do not need to do science to point to the scientific consensus. Logic? That's what you lack. That, and knowledge.
The scientific consensus is clear. You will keep denying it because you are a science denier.
You are the one who thought that reading just a single scientific paper would give you the scientific consensus. For those of us who are not stumbling around in the darkness of denial, it's pretty to figure out. Those who are in denial will often deny there is even a consensus (and if they accept that there is one, they insist that it's because of cheating, conspiracies, etc.).
Case in point. Thanks for confirming what I wrote about you.
The consenus is not found by reading a scientific paper, or even two or three. The consensus reflects the collective position of the science/scientific community. The consensus is what the rest of us who are not scientists can rely on for the best understanding on what the science says.
Your article doesn't mention 2010 at all, much less any actual peer-reviewed research saying anything like that. Funnily enough, the very same article also quotes Viner as saying, "heavy snow will return occasionally" and that "Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time."
So what happened to your claim? "Heavy snow will return occasionally" doesn't really match your "completely snow and ice free" claim, now does it?
Worse yet (for you), a BBC article from January 2010 states: "Heavy snow and icy roads are causing chaos across most of the UK." Compare tha to the "will probably cause chaos" quote above.
I guess it's safe to say that your bluff has been called. Not only did the article you used as a source not say anything about anything being completely snow and ice free, but it actually referred to heavy snow!
Actually, you made the assertion. I merely contradicted your assertion.
Opera never copied Firefox's tab model. It added an option between behaving the standard MDI way, or behaving the way other tabbed browsers did. Of course, later they merged the two, giving people the best of both worlds. Firefox copied other tabbed browsers.
You are just trolling about Opera, so I decided to set the record straight.
If nothing is done then all of the US will look like Dearborn, Michigan (where the local corrupt cops essentially enforce Sharia restrictions on Constitutional First Amendment Free Speech by making up bogus charges
Man, this has me conflicted. A bunch of crazy Christians fighting with a bunch of crazy Muslims! I can't stand either of them. Did those Christians really have to walk in there and be annoying? And yet, those security guards and their other friends had no right to harass those Christians, annoying as they obviously were.
And holy crap, that tail of security people towards the end was pretty hilarious! Did they have nothing better to do than to gang up on those annoying Christians? How many Muslim security guards does it take to escort a couple of annoying Christians off the property?
You are not a god who represents everyone else. Your opinions are not global. Your opinions are yours. I explained how I think your opinions are false. I pointed out that Opera actually did MDI right.
Also, Opera is not tiny. It has more than 300 million users, and is quite big in parts of the world. It's always been one of the top 2 or 3 browsers in Russia and former USSR states, for example.
What's been holding Opera back is that it's been ignored and blocked by sites, causing stuff to break. This makes it harder to retain users.
But it did retain tens of millions of users because of the excellent usability features, such as tabbed browsing done right.
Chromium specific, as in, is only used when building Chromium/Chrome (that other Webkit browsers don't want or need). Not actual web standards stuff, probably. Except maybe WebGL?
Actually, Opera did tabs right. They had proper MDI, while Firefox just had inflexible tabs. Opera didn't copy Firefox. They just changed the way they did MDI, but it was still proper MDI.
Opera also did proper popup blocking befire Firefox came around and copied it.
Opera also did proper fit to width, while Firefox didn't have anything like that. And yes, they did do the zoom and fit to width methods you see on phones today. They did it with the Wii browser, which came out before the iPhone, and they did it with Opera Mini.
So as you can see, your version of history is false.
Actually, if Opera is Google's bitch now, it's less so than ever. Opera is getting more and more revenue from other sources than Google, and is probably more independent from Google financially than ever before.
How are they depending on Google for the browser? They are basically letting Google do the ground work, and doing the easy and fun part on top of that. Seems like a win-win situation to Opera.
How do you know that the UI will just be "slightly different"?
Opera isn't dependent on Google for the browser. They just happened to choose a specific technology platform
How do you know the chrome is only slightly different to Chrome?
If Opera is Google's bitch now, that's not new. That must be because 1/3 of their revenue is from Google. But that's going to change since other business areas (such as ads) are growing very quickly.
In fact, I would say that Opera is less of a Google bitch now than it was just 6-12 months ago.
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This is pure denial. The consensus is clear. Scientists have a good understanding of the matter.
See, there you go again. No, phantomfive, I do not need to do science to point to the scientific consensus. Logic? That's what you lack. That, and knowledge.
The scientific consensus is clear. You will keep denying it because you are a science denier.
You are the one who thought that reading just a single scientific paper would give you the scientific consensus. For those of us who are not stumbling around in the darkness of denial, it's pretty to figure out. Those who are in denial will often deny there is even a consensus (and if they accept that there is one, they insist that it's because of cheating, conspiracies, etc.).
Case in point. Thanks for confirming what I wrote about you.
The consenus is not found by reading a scientific paper, or even two or three. The consensus reflects the collective position of the science/scientific community. The consensus is what the rest of us who are not scientists can rely on for the best understanding on what the science says.
Your article doesn't mention 2010 at all, much less any actual peer-reviewed research saying anything like that. Funnily enough, the very same article also quotes Viner as saying, "heavy snow will return occasionally" and that "Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time."
So what happened to your claim? "Heavy snow will return occasionally" doesn't really match your "completely snow and ice free" claim, now does it?
Worse yet (for you), a BBC article from January 2010 states: "Heavy snow and icy roads are causing chaos across most of the UK." Compare tha to the "will probably cause chaos" quote above.
I guess it's safe to say that your bluff has been called. Not only did the article you used as a source not say anything about anything being completely snow and ice free, but it actually referred to heavy snow!
And the peer-reviewed scientific papers claiming a completely snow and ice free Britain are where?
They did not predict global cooling. It's another denialist myth. The consensus, even in the 70s, was that it would be warming. And they were right.
The sorry showing here is your poor understanding of science, I'm afraid. The scientific consensus is still there, whether you like it or not.
They've been doing testable predictions all along, and the models have held up very well indeed.
The obvious flaw here is that many popular accounts on Twitter will automatically follow you back if you follow them.
Are they flip-flopping, or are you simply misrepresenting their position?
Ok... The Hockey Stick didn't predict anything. It showed past temperatures. So I guess that shows just how credible your claims are in general, eh?
What scientists proclaimed winters without snow in the UK?
Except the research overwhelmingly showed that the planet would be warming, even in the 70s. What's with the cherry-picking?
Actually, you made the assertion. I merely contradicted your assertion.
Opera never copied Firefox's tab model. It added an option between behaving the standard MDI way, or behaving the way other tabbed browsers did. Of course, later they merged the two, giving people the best of both worlds. Firefox copied other tabbed browsers.
You are just trolling about Opera, so I decided to set the record straight.
Man, this has me conflicted. A bunch of crazy Christians fighting with a bunch of crazy Muslims! I can't stand either of them. Did those Christians really have to walk in there and be annoying? And yet, those security guards and their other friends had no right to harass those Christians, annoying as they obviously were.
And holy crap, that tail of security people towards the end was pretty hilarious! Did they have nothing better to do than to gang up on those annoying Christians? How many Muslim security guards does it take to escort a couple of annoying Christians off the property?
Wait... was this public property or private?
Huh?
You are not a god who represents everyone else. Your opinions are not global. Your opinions are yours. I explained how I think your opinions are false. I pointed out that Opera actually did MDI right.
Also, Opera is not tiny. It has more than 300 million users, and is quite big in parts of the world. It's always been one of the top 2 or 3 browsers in Russia and former USSR states, for example.
What's been holding Opera back is that it's been ignored and blocked by sites, causing stuff to break. This makes it harder to retain users.
But it did retain tens of millions of users because of the excellent usability features, such as tabbed browsing done right.
Does it matter? Blink doesn't really change anything for Opera in practice. Opera did know about the fork before it was announced, though.
Chromium specific, as in, is only used when building Chromium/Chrome (that other Webkit browsers don't want or need). Not actual web standards stuff, probably. Except maybe WebGL?
Actually, Opera did tabs right. They had proper MDI, while Firefox just had inflexible tabs. Opera didn't copy Firefox. They just changed the way they did MDI, but it was still proper MDI.
Opera also did proper popup blocking befire Firefox came around and copied it.
Opera also did proper fit to width, while Firefox didn't have anything like that. And yes, they did do the zoom and fit to width methods you see on phones today. They did it with the Wii browser, which came out before the iPhone, and they did it with Opera Mini.
So as you can see, your version of history is false.
Actually, if Opera is Google's bitch now, it's less so than ever. Opera is getting more and more revenue from other sources than Google, and is probably more independent from Google financially than ever before.
How are they depending on Google for the browser? They are basically letting Google do the ground work, and doing the easy and fun part on top of that. Seems like a win-win situation to Opera.
How do you know that the UI will just be "slightly different"?
How have they yielded any authority in the standards process? Have they been blocked from the W3C?
Focus on the boring bits? Quite the opposite. Now they'll have time to do more cool stuff instead of always catching up with the other ones.
Oh, they are lost are they? How so? And when did that happen, exactly?
They seem to know exactly what to do, considering that they have more users than ever, and are constantly reaching new revenue and profit heights.
What common behavior is Opera lacking, and won't that automatically fix itself with Webkit or Blink?
Opera isn't dependent on Google for the browser. They just happened to choose a specific technology platform
How do you know the chrome is only slightly different to Chrome?
If Opera is Google's bitch now, that's not new. That must be because 1/3 of their revenue is from Google. But that's going to change since other business areas (such as ads) are growing very quickly.
In fact, I would say that Opera is less of a Google bitch now than it was just 6-12 months ago.