Opera Mobile is available for Symbian, which Firefox will ignore. They also had an iPhone version, but Apple refused to let them add it to the app store. It's already on Android Market. And Opera Mini isn't just a dumbed-down version. It does incredible things considering the way it works.
Browser sniffing was involved, it seems. It might still be bad PR for Opera because of all those clueless people out there who assume it's Opera's fault even when it's the site that's blocking it, though. Weird how people can't seem to write cross-browser code even today.
Anyone who understands fixed costs. I doubt OnLive's ability to make a profit from a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the population.
Most people live in or near cities. It's in rural areas getting a profit is a bitch because there are fewer people.
But if 47 out of 50 U.S. states will be fully covered at or soon after launch, as someone else claimed, I have no complaints.
If they think they can build a business out of only supporting densely populated areas, then that's what they think. Your arguing that they shouldn't do this is irrelevant to what they choose to do.
It's not only a trademark, but the formula itself. The web keeps us informed; food keeps us fed, and literally is us. Why doesn't food need to be open?
Because it doesn't prevent someone else from making food.
Yes, you keep repeating this. And yet, while adoption has been slow, we do have Blu-Ray, HDTV in general, and 1080p on YouTube -- and we also have Google themselves saying Theora isn't usable for exactly the same bitrate issues.
Indeed, adoption has been slow. Even the massive push to increase adoption has kept adoption dragging along at a slow pace. You can't ignore all the clear examples of quality not really mattering, and your single flawed example of "quality mattering" actually proves my point.
You are handwaving away a real problem by saying it "doesn't matter", and then wondering why people continue to choose proprietary codecs -- and will continue to do so, until open codecs improve.
People choose them because there hasn't been a push for anything else. Now we have something good enough for streaming on the web, and it has some major players using it, such as Mozilla and Google.
The web needs to be open. Trademarks do not. That's why your Cola analogy sucks.
I'm not referring to the MSN web site, I'm referring to the closed Microsoft Network years ago.
Quality hardly matters at all. Just look at how VHS won over BetaMax, how Super CD never took off, and how YouTube became the dominant video site despite other sites having much better quality video.
So what if the competitor is video rental stores? Idiots in some remote rural area will rent there, then. If you are close enough to one of their data centers, you also have the option of signing up for OnLive.
Again, who gives a shit if OnLive loses business in areas they haven't even set up data centers?
I know you probably work for OnLive, but do I think you are entitled to let off some steam. The guy you are responding to is clearly a complete idiot. People need to stop being so retarded.
You are an idiot. The guy was way outside the maximum recommended range. Of course his findings are going to be hideously wrong. Also, did he really use someone else's login, something which the service TOS probably clearly forbid?
He even got a warning every time he connected that he was out of range.
And the service is apparently going to reject people who aren't in range anyway, so you are clearly a bit retarded.
Corporations only exist as a construction made by the government. Just like the government runs the police, etc. Things operated/created by the government has many restrictions compared to individuals. Why should corporations have free speec if police officers on duty do not have free speech?
There's a difference between the web and a soft drink. If you really want a closed, proprietary web, ask Microsoft to resurrect their old Microsoft Network.
If quality really doesn't matter, why is Google rolling out 1080p?
I said "a lot of the time". It only needs to be good enough.
We were talking about "relevant new browser features", which implies that it is something that was adopted by other browsers. Clearly, Opera is the winner in the sheer amount of features that have been adopted by most other "major" browsers. If I happen to like a specific feature but it has a small group of users, it isn't really relevant here. Just like your pet extensions.
Most of the most popular Firefox extensions are already in Opera, and were there long before they became extensions. They exist as extensions because Opera had them in some form, and people wanted the feature for Firefox.
Unfortunately, Theora just isn't there yet for video.
Says who? The fact is that most people only need something that's "good enough".
Great! Have some chipset designs for me?
No, but as I said, it would be trivial to do it. And no license fees of course.
Nor will they be able to develop custom hardware targeted at Theora, will they? No, they'll be taking what they can from the lowest bidder -- which means they'll be looking for stuff that's already mass-produced and has a fair amount of competition.
That will be expensive for them. It will be cheaper to go for Theora. Especially when the licensing terms are tightened from 2011.
Provide a better one, then, because every comparison I can find favors h.264 on quality per bit.
That won't be noticeable to most people, and besides, it only needs to be good enough. Picture quality is one of the last things people are looking for. Usability, price, etc. are much higher on the list. Just look at how VHS won over BetaMax, Super CD never took off, YouTube became the most popular site despite having probably the crappiest quality for a long time... Quality doesn't matter a lot of the time, and Theora is more than good enough.
But none of those features have become standard in browsers, unlike Opera's multiple pages within the main window, the popup blocker, the full-page zoom, sessions (continuing where you left off), intergrated search from either a search field or the address bar, easy deletion of private data, Speed Dial, and basically most of the things you take for granted in a modern browser.
What was your list? Basically a bunch of features that have remained extensions, and haven't really made it into other browsers.
By the way, Opera had User JS before Greasemonkey even existed. They used it for the Bork version ages ago.
One reason Opera has issues with mindshare is that it seems that most of its users' approach to promoting their platform is:
That's a blatant straw man. That was not the other guy's point at all. His point was that it was claimed that Opera was the one closing the feature gap, when the fact is that Opera has been leading all along.
Even if Opera came after Netscape, it still defined the modern browser: Popup blocking, easy search from the address bar or search field, viewing pages within the main window, etc.
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Which version are you using? Anything from 9.5 and up works fine. Opera Mobile 10 crushes everything else.
I don't know about Skyfire... The Flash support is pretty crappy. Videos are like watching slideshows.
Opera Mobile is available for Symbian, which Firefox will ignore. They also had an iPhone version, but Apple refused to let them add it to the app store. It's already on Android Market. And Opera Mini isn't just a dumbed-down version. It does incredible things considering the way it works.
Wait, what? So a web browser is not complete unless it supports some proprietary plugin? LOL. By the way, mobile browsers do support the Flash plugin.
Browser sniffing was involved, it seems. It might still be bad PR for Opera because of all those clueless people out there who assume it's Opera's fault even when it's the site that's blocking it, though. Weird how people can't seem to write cross-browser code even today.
But what if new features are introducing new memory leaks and crashes, etc.?
Most people live in or near cities. It's in rural areas getting a profit is a bitch because there are fewer people.
If they think they can build a business out of only supporting densely populated areas, then that's what they think. Your arguing that they shouldn't do this is irrelevant to what they choose to do.
Because it doesn't prevent someone else from making food.
Indeed, adoption has been slow. Even the massive push to increase adoption has kept adoption dragging along at a slow pace. You can't ignore all the clear examples of quality not really mattering, and your single flawed example of "quality mattering" actually proves my point.
People choose them because there hasn't been a push for anything else. Now we have something good enough for streaming on the web, and it has some major players using it, such as Mozilla and Google.
The web needs to be open. Trademarks do not. That's why your Cola analogy sucks.
I'm not referring to the MSN web site, I'm referring to the closed Microsoft Network years ago.
Quality hardly matters at all. Just look at how VHS won over BetaMax, how Super CD never took off, and how YouTube became the dominant video site despite other sites having much better quality video.
Again, who gives a shit if OnLive loses business in areas they haven't even set up data centers?
I know you probably work for OnLive, but do I think you are entitled to let off some steam. The guy you are responding to is clearly a complete idiot. People need to stop being so retarded.
Who gives a shit? They never promised that any idiot in some remote rural area was going to play at full speed anyway. Pay fucking attention.
He even got a warning every time he connected that he was out of range.
And the service is apparently going to reject people who aren't in range anyway, so you are clearly a bit retarded.
Corporations only exist as a construction made by the government. Just like the government runs the police, etc. Things operated/created by the government has many restrictions compared to individuals. Why should corporations have free speec if police officers on duty do not have free speech?
From 2007? How about something a bit more recent?
There's a difference between the web and a soft drink. If you really want a closed, proprietary web, ask Microsoft to resurrect their old Microsoft Network.
I said "a lot of the time". It only needs to be good enough.
Most of the most popular Firefox extensions are already in Opera, and were there long before they became extensions. They exist as extensions because Opera had them in some form, and people wanted the feature for Firefox.
Says who? The fact is that most people only need something that's "good enough".
No, but as I said, it would be trivial to do it. And no license fees of course.
That will be expensive for them. It will be cheaper to go for Theora. Especially when the licensing terms are tightened from 2011.
That won't be noticeable to most people, and besides, it only needs to be good enough. Picture quality is one of the last things people are looking for. Usability, price, etc. are much higher on the list. Just look at how VHS won over BetaMax, Super CD never took off, YouTube became the most popular site despite having probably the crappiest quality for a long time... Quality doesn't matter a lot of the time, and Theora is more than good enough.
What was your list? Basically a bunch of features that have remained extensions, and haven't really made it into other browsers.
By the way, Opera had User JS before Greasemonkey even existed. They used it for the Bork version ages ago.
Actually, all the stats seem to agree that Opera is highly popular there. Even local stats.
You know what he means regarding what? Do you agree with him that someone from Opera referring to third party market share numbers is a bad thing?
It's not a review, you dumbass. It's an overview of market share.
What browser features have extensions been leading the way for?
Opera has AdBlock, FlashBlock and NoScript.
That's a blatant straw man. That was not the other guy's point at all. His point was that it was claimed that Opera was the one closing the feature gap, when the fact is that Opera has been leading all along.
Even if Opera came after Netscape, it still defined the modern browser: Popup blocking, easy search from the address bar or search field, viewing pages within the main window, etc.