Most people haven't even heard about Opera. Your comment seems to assume that most users have actually tried it, which they haven't. Also, Opera has been gaining market share. It is the #3 browser in Europe, bigger than Safari and Chrome combined, and closing in on 10% market share. Opera's desktop user base has more than doubled in a couple of years. It's also the dominant mobile browser.
Why would Opera make the government force their browser over Firefox and Chrome? Mozilla and Google both joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft, remember. All Opera did was to report Microsoft's illegal activities to the authorities. They never made the government force anyone to do anything. Opera has no authority over the government.
But hey, keep being an ignorant, hypocritical bigot.
Actually, Opera is the #3 browser in Europe, bigger than Chrome and Safari combined, and closing in on 10% market share. Even Net Applications now lists Opera at 2% worldwide, while the more accurate StatCounter lists it at about 3%.
Wow, another anonymous comment which happens to support Microsoft. How "strange". Opera isn't forced to "give it away", they are happy that they made it free. Their desktop revenue has been growing more than 100% each quarter for a long time now.
Opera's profits more than doubled the last quarter. Overall revenue was up 60%, while desktop revenue was up more than 100%. An ineffective and/or clueless management which achieves record growth in the middle of a recession, and whose mobile browser dominates the mobile browser market (25-30% market share)... Yeah...
Also, they didn't seek any privileges. They merely reported Microsoft's crimes to the authorities. And Google, Mozilla and others joined the complaint as well. But hey, I guess facts don't really matter!
Why would it be on page 2? Google and Mozilla are as involved as Opera is, and yet you want to punish Opera? Why would you punish someone for reporting illegal activity to the authorities anyway?
Tell what to Opera? I quoted Mozilla, and you quoted the quote, spewing out some nonsense about paying for browser when no one ever said anything about paying. Are you drunk?
No, Konqueror is not mainstream. Opera is "mainstream" because it has a significant market presence and is generally considered to be one of the "big 5". For example, it has a market share of nearly 10% in Europe, and is bigger than Chrome and Safari combined there.
No one is talking about charging, you idiot. You don't have to charge people directly to make money from something. Hint: Google's services are free, and yet they make shitloads of money.
So you just call them "Opera Internet Browser, "Firefox Internet Browser", etc. And it doesn't really matter if everyone knows the differences. The point is that they will know that they have a choice.
The browsers are not cherry picked. It's based on market position during the past 6 months. And in reality, there are only 5 "main" browsers out there. The rest are too specialized or just shells around another browser engine.
Also, this will help other browsers a lot because sites will become more standards compliant, so there will be a lower barrier to enter the browser (engine) market. No more spending most of your time reverse-engineering IE.
Both of them involve hiring lawyers, and NOT writing better software.
Actually, Opera merely reported a crime to the authorities. That is as far from a lawsuit as you can get. Otherwise, witnesses to a crime who call the police would be considered to "sue" the criminal, but they don't. The police prosecutes them if they find evidence of wrongdoing. And there is ample evidence of wrongdoings in the case of Microsoft.
Call me crazy, but I'd rather see Opera compete with Microsoft by writing better software.
They already do write better software. But the browser market is broken because of Microsoft's illegal actions.
Then how come they have the lowest market share even among alternate browsers?
They don't. Opera is the #3 browser worldwide and in Europe. In fact, it's bigger than Safari and Chrome combined in Europe.
People can do that RIGHT NOW, though. What's stopping them? Nothing.
Except for browser sniffing and browser discrimination. Which also happens to other browser than Firefox that are based on Gecko. Just because of their UA string, a lot fewer sites work in those browsers even though it's the exact same engine as Firefox.
Opera can't get people to use their browser because their browser is flawed in some way, or they lack marketing resources to advertise it. But Microsoft has nothing to do with it.
Microsoft has a lot to do with it, as is evident from the state of the browser market.
You didn't answer this, BTW: Why are you whining like a little crybaby over Opera? Both Google and Mozilla joined the complaint, and helped advise the EC, just like Opera did.
Firefox and others haven't had the advantage of this "ballot box" and yet they have a much larger share than Opera.
Actually, Opera is the #3 browser both globally and in Europe. In Europe, its market share is higher than Chrome and Safari combined. Firefox is an anomaly because it's made by a non-profit relying on donations and free labor. That's not how the free market is supposed to work.
The simple fact of the matter is that most people just don't want to use Opera.
Actually, most people don't even know what a browser is. Yet Opera managed to get more than 40 million users in less than 4 years (it didn't become free of charge until 3-4 years agl).
in the end, you'll realize that the other browsers out there just do a better job than Opera
False. Firefox, IE and to a certain extent Safari get compatibility for free because they are pushed by major corporations. Opera is the only independent browser vendor, and therefore doesn't get all that compatibility for free. Nothing wrong with Opera's abilities, it's browser sniffing that is the main problem.
Actually, the ballot box does address something anti-competitive. Monopolists have been ordered to include competitor products in the past in order to restore competition in the market. Microsoft broke the law, now they must face the consequences.
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Why would Opera make the government force their browser over Firefox and Chrome? Mozilla and Google both joined the antitrust complaint against Microsoft, remember. All Opera did was to report Microsoft's illegal activities to the authorities. They never made the government force anyone to do anything. Opera has no authority over the government.
But hey, keep being an ignorant, hypocritical bigot.
Actually, Opera is the #3 browser in Europe, bigger than Chrome and Safari combined, and closing in on 10% market share. Even Net Applications now lists Opera at 2% worldwide, while the more accurate StatCounter lists it at about 3%.
Wow, another anonymous comment which happens to support Microsoft. How "strange". Opera isn't forced to "give it away", they are happy that they made it free. Their desktop revenue has been growing more than 100% each quarter for a long time now.
Opera's profits more than doubled the last quarter. Overall revenue was up 60%, while desktop revenue was up more than 100%. An ineffective and/or clueless management which achieves record growth in the middle of a recession, and whose mobile browser dominates the mobile browser market (25-30% market share)... Yeah...
Also, they didn't seek any privileges. They merely reported Microsoft's crimes to the authorities. And Google, Mozilla and others joined the complaint as well. But hey, I guess facts don't really matter!
Actually, Opera is the #3 browser in Europe, bigger than Chrome and Safari combined (and closing in on 10% market share).
Adware? Opera is free, has no ads, and is the most secure browser.
Actually, Opera is bigger than Safari and Chrome combined in Europe (last 6 months). Opera should have the #3 spot if it's ordered by market share.
Why would it be on page 2? Google and Mozilla are as involved as Opera is, and yet you want to punish Opera? Why would you punish someone for reporting illegal activity to the authorities anyway?
Tell what to Opera? I quoted Mozilla, and you quoted the quote, spewing out some nonsense about paying for browser when no one ever said anything about paying. Are you drunk?
No, Konqueror is not mainstream. Opera is "mainstream" because it has a significant market presence and is generally considered to be one of the "big 5". For example, it has a market share of nearly 10% in Europe, and is bigger than Chrome and Safari combined there.
No one is talking about charging, you idiot. You don't have to charge people directly to make money from something. Hint: Google's services are free, and yet they make shitloads of money.
These complains, ignorant Microsoft shill.
So the republicans in the U.S. government are "retarded, angry socialists"?
What other mainstream browser vendors are there?
Your ignorance is astounding. Enough said.
Microsoft ended up on top because they broke the law.
So you just call them "Opera Internet Browser, "Firefox Internet Browser", etc. And it doesn't really matter if everyone knows the differences. The point is that they will know that they have a choice.
Wow, all that text? The solution is simple. Just rename the other browsers to "Opera Internet Browser, "Firefox Internet Browser", etc.
Also, this will help other browsers a lot because sites will become more standards compliant, so there will be a lower barrier to enter the browser (engine) market. No more spending most of your time reverse-engineering IE.
Actually, Opera merely reported a crime to the authorities. That is as far from a lawsuit as you can get. Otherwise, witnesses to a crime who call the police would be considered to "sue" the criminal, but they don't. The police prosecutes them if they find evidence of wrongdoing. And there is ample evidence of wrongdoings in the case of Microsoft.
They already do write better software. But the browser market is broken because of Microsoft's illegal actions.
They don't. Opera is the #3 browser worldwide and in Europe. In fact, it's bigger than Safari and Chrome combined in Europe.
Except for browser sniffing and browser discrimination. Which also happens to other browser than Firefox that are based on Gecko. Just because of their UA string, a lot fewer sites work in those browsers even though it's the exact same engine as Firefox.
Microsoft has a lot to do with it, as is evident from the state of the browser market.
You didn't answer this, BTW: Why are you whining like a little crybaby over Opera? Both Google and Mozilla joined the complaint, and helped advise the EC, just like Opera did.
Easy solution: Call the alternatives "Opera Internet Browser", "Firefox Internet Browser", etc.
Opera is the #3 browser both globally and in Europe. In Europe, its market share is higher than Chrome and Safari combined.
Actually, Opera is the #3 browser both globally and in Europe. In Europe, its market share is higher than Chrome and Safari combined. Firefox is an anomaly because it's made by a non-profit relying on donations and free labor. That's not how the free market is supposed to work.
Actually, most people don't even know what a browser is. Yet Opera managed to get more than 40 million users in less than 4 years (it didn't become free of charge until 3-4 years agl).
False. Firefox, IE and to a certain extent Safari get compatibility for free because they are pushed by major corporations. Opera is the only independent browser vendor, and therefore doesn't get all that compatibility for free. Nothing wrong with Opera's abilities, it's browser sniffing that is the main problem.
Actually, the ballot box does address something anti-competitive. Monopolists have been ordered to include competitor products in the past in order to restore competition in the market. Microsoft broke the law, now they must face the consequences.