So is it a flaw in the design of SSH or in the Debian patched OpenSSH implementation? If it's the former (as the quote seems to imply), why does it matter what SSH implementation, OS they found it on? Shouldn't it affect everyone?
In the process, you may have to learn a bit about how databases are actually supposed to work, but that's probably good for you.
That actually sounds like it plays into one of the MySQL talking points a little bit, so I want to assure all the MySQL+PHP developers out there that you won't have to - you might anyway, but you won't have to.
I suspect that the laws of robotics are a bit too simplified to really work well in reality, but they do provide some food for thoughts.
Congratulations, you have actually read Asimov's books, and understood that "The Laws" were meant to demonstrate that ethics cannot be reduced to a simple set of imperative instructions.
It boggles the mind how many people think of "The Laws" as a legitimate recipe for artificial morality (or that Asimov intended them that way).
Or did Microsoft actually create something relatively unique this time?
I love a good MS bashing as much as the next guy, but this is kind of a reach. New languages are designed to be useful, not unique; hell, the vast majority of features in all modern languages come from either ALGOL, Lisp, or Simula.
Am I the only one getting a little sick of all these "Oh look there's so much buzz around Wolfram Alpha! Really, you are all very excited about it!" previews/sneak-peeks/tidbits/etc?
Until I can actual use it, I have exactly zero interest in this thing. Is there really any reason to propagate the marketing drivel?
If the digital consciousness is identical to me and still believes and feels like it's me (i.e. it), is there truly any difference?
If you made an identical copy of anything else, you would still call it a copy, and not the thing itself, why would minds be any different?
When you go under for a heart replacement and wake back up, is it you?
Oh, of course, you can't actually prove that it is (one of those fun philosophical experiments), but in the case of a "cut-over" copy like you are suggesting, you know it won't be.
How much can be changed while you're unconscious before it's not you on the other side?
So, this is just an imprecision in English: we say "unconscious" (for sleep, anesthesia, etc), when we actually mean unaware - the biological processes that result in your consciousness (in the philosophical sense) continue uninterrupted - that's the continuity that the Moravec transfer is trying to preserve. (You could also say that "consciousness" is used differently in the two contexts)
A Morevac transfer somehow lessens the impact by drawing out the "death" over a longer period of time such that the original and copy are not aware of or can point to a definitive time the transfer took place.
That's not it at all. The point is that you are not creating a copy - you are transferring an existing process to a new "medium" (if you will) in a non-disruptive manner. When a neuron is replaced it dies, it's not possible to end up with two conscious individuals after a Moravec transfer.
I'm not at all convinced that this would actually work, but it's definitely more interesting than the "scan-and-copy" stuff of science fiction.
If the digital copy is identical and not aware of when it comes into existence (when it wakes up for the first time). Would you or it still care?
No, neither one of you would care: it would think of itself as you, and you would cease to exist:)
Think of it this way: if you can make a copy, you can make two copies - they can't both be you (unless we are working with very different definitions of "you"), and since they are, by definition, identical, it seems that neither one can be you.
The main problem is that we don't have any meaningful scientific definition of "consciousness" - it's hard to reason about something you don't understand.
Moreover, how do you know this didn't already happen last night?
You don't. The same way you don't know that the world wasn't instantaneously created in the last 10 seconds by an omnipotent deity, with everyone's memories of their previous lives already in place.
Doesn't mean we should blow up the world, though, right?
If there were a cutover to digital representation while I was "asleep" (i.e. unaware), I'm not sure I'd mind the thought of my organic representation being destroyed, even if it could have continued existence in parallel.
Well, no, the "digital representation" certainly wouldn't mind, but you would simply be dead. Would it really make you feel better to know that after you are dead there's a digital conscientiousness out there that's identical to yours?
It's a very widely used Java web application framework
Uh, that's not exactly right - Spring is primarily an IoC container and AOP framework, and a whole bunch of (mostly unrelated) frameworks built on top of those. SpringMVC/WebFlow is one of those components, probably one of the less successful ones at that, as it's not obviously better than its competitors (not necessarily worse, just not better - most modern MVC web frameworks are nigh-identical at this point).
Glassfish (aka Sun Java System Application Server) is modern, scalable, easy to use, and absolutely wicked when deployed.
Shit, I must've been using some other Glassfish, because I found it to be an overcomplicated, cumbersome beast to set up and administer.
Every time I start thinking that I need Glassfish instead of Tomcat, I slap myself really hard in the face and go back to the drawing board - it's actually done wonders for keeping "Enterprise-iness" at bay in my projects.
As if millions of internet web pages suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I suddenly fear something terrible has suddenly happened....
Um, ever heard of Gothenburg? Amon Amarth? In Flames? Freaking Opeth? Arch Enemy, even. I'd say they know a thing or two about death metal, and its various sub-genres, in Sweden.
Germany may be the place to go for electronic/techno/trance/etc, but best heavy metal? Not by a long shot.
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So is it a flaw in the design of SSH or in the Debian patched OpenSSH implementation? If it's the former (as the quote seems to imply), why does it matter what SSH implementation, OS they found it on? Shouldn't it affect everyone?
Everyone is already "as involved in government as they wish": mostly people choose "not at all".
I didn't RTFA, but why would you expect Angelina Jolie to love this man's wife more than he does? Have they even met?
Wait a minute, did you just use a car analogy to explain "doing something to everyone, as opposed to a single person"? Going a little overboard, no?
In the process, you may have to learn a bit about how databases are actually supposed to work, but that's probably good for you.
That actually sounds like it plays into one of the MySQL talking points a little bit, so I want to assure all the MySQL+PHP developers out there that you won't have to - you might anyway, but you won't have to.
I suspect that the laws of robotics are a bit too simplified to really work well in reality, but they do provide some food for thoughts.
Congratulations, you have actually read Asimov's books, and understood that "The Laws" were meant to demonstrate that ethics cannot be reduced to a simple set of imperative instructions.
It boggles the mind how many people think of "The Laws" as a legitimate recipe for artificial morality (or that Asimov intended them that way).
Or did Microsoft actually create something relatively unique this time?
I love a good MS bashing as much as the next guy, but this is kind of a reach. New languages are designed to be useful, not unique; hell, the vast majority of features in all modern languages come from either ALGOL, Lisp, or Simula.
Where the movie fell apart is the writing.
Bad writing? From the people who gave us Transformers, The Island, Alias, and Hercules: The Legendary Journeys?
Unpossible!
Am I the only one getting a little sick of all these "Oh look there's so much buzz around Wolfram Alpha! Really, you are all very excited about it!" previews/sneak-peeks/tidbits/etc?
Until I can actual use it, I have exactly zero interest in this thing. Is there really any reason to propagate the marketing drivel?
Surely, I'm not the only one who finds this stupid. OF COURSE your manufacturer configured OS is going to work out of the box!!!!!!!!111one1
Eh, in my experience the "manufacturer configured OS" is so loaded with utter crap that it's basically unusable until I do a clean install.
(crouches down as if on a hunt) .....have you seen any ISOs around here lately?
Hmm, no, which is weird since I'm a complete junkie when it comes to BitTorrent.
Would you really consider an Apple II to be a fashion accessory?
Fair enough, but that was, what, 30 years ago? I think "lately" is a bit of an understatement.
test versions of Thusnelda pulling ahead of h264 in terms of objective quality as bitrate increases
Please tell me that's not an actual product name.
If the digital consciousness is identical to me and still believes and feels like it's me (i.e. it), is there truly any difference?
:)
If you made an identical copy of anything else, you would still call it a copy, and not the thing itself, why would minds be any different?
When you go under for a heart replacement and wake back up, is it you?
Oh, of course, you can't actually prove that it is (one of those fun philosophical experiments), but in the case of a "cut-over" copy like you are suggesting, you know it won't be.
How much can be changed while you're unconscious before it's not you on the other side?
So, this is just an imprecision in English: we say "unconscious" (for sleep, anesthesia, etc), when we actually mean unaware - the biological processes that result in your consciousness (in the philosophical sense) continue uninterrupted - that's the continuity that the Moravec transfer is trying to preserve. (You could also say that "consciousness" is used differently in the two contexts)
A Morevac transfer somehow lessens the impact by drawing out the "death" over a longer period of time such that the original and copy are not aware of or can point to a definitive time the transfer took place.
That's not it at all. The point is that you are not creating a copy - you are transferring an existing process to a new "medium" (if you will) in a non-disruptive manner. When a neuron is replaced it dies, it's not possible to end up with two conscious individuals after a Moravec transfer.
I'm not at all convinced that this would actually work, but it's definitely more interesting than the "scan-and-copy" stuff of science fiction.
If the digital copy is identical and not aware of when it comes into existence (when it wakes up for the first time). Would you or it still care?
No, neither one of you would care: it would think of itself as you, and you would cease to exist
Think of it this way: if you can make a copy, you can make two copies - they can't both be you (unless we are working with very different definitions of "you"), and since they are, by definition, identical, it seems that neither one can be you.
The main problem is that we don't have any meaningful scientific definition of "consciousness" - it's hard to reason about something you don't understand.
Moreover, how do you know this didn't already happen last night?
You don't. The same way you don't know that the world wasn't instantaneously created in the last 10 seconds by an omnipotent deity, with everyone's memories of their previous lives already in place.
Doesn't mean we should blow up the world, though, right?
If there were a cutover to digital representation while I was "asleep" (i.e. unaware), I'm not sure I'd mind the thought of my organic representation being destroyed, even if it could have continued existence in parallel.
Well, no, the "digital representation" certainly wouldn't mind, but you would simply be dead. Would it really make you feel better to know that after you are dead there's a digital conscientiousness out there that's identical to yours?
It's a very widely used Java web application framework
Uh, that's not exactly right - Spring is primarily an IoC container and AOP framework, and a whole bunch of (mostly unrelated) frameworks built on top of those. SpringMVC/WebFlow is one of those components, probably one of the less successful ones at that, as it's not obviously better than its competitors (not necessarily worse, just not better - most modern MVC web frameworks are nigh-identical at this point).
Really, how hard is it to throw in a "monitoring app" somewhere along with all the hyperbole, so people can actually tell if they give a damn?
Yeah, yeah, this is (- A billion, Redundant), but where's the sorely needed (-1, Terrible summary)?
I wonder if anyone in the history of the world has failed to understand that some times have higher uncertainty than others?
Well, sure, but the point is that most people seem to think that their times fall into that category, regardless of the actual times.
I'm not saying the perception isn't there, I'm saying it's always there.
We live in uncertain times, and people are scared
I wonder if anyone in the history of the world has actually considered the times they lived in to be "certain"?
Glassfish (aka Sun Java System Application Server) is modern, scalable, easy to use, and absolutely wicked when deployed.
Shit, I must've been using some other Glassfish, because I found it to be an overcomplicated, cumbersome beast to set up and administer.
Every time I start thinking that I need Glassfish instead of Tomcat, I slap myself really hard in the face and go back to the drawing board - it's actually done wonders for keeping "Enterprise-iness" at bay in my projects.
As if millions of internet web pages suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I suddenly fear something terrible has suddenly happened....
There, fixed it for you.
Ok, so they seem to have gotten pretty good at finding planets that are bigger than Earth - is it really necessary to announce every single one of them?
vision so poor that you can't see the top letter on the eye chart with either eye
That doesn't sound right. I'm pretty sure I can't see the top letter and I'm only about -4.0 or so.
Celine Dion?
Um, ever heard of Gothenburg? Amon Amarth? In Flames? Freaking Opeth? Arch Enemy, even. I'd say they know a thing or two about death metal, and its various sub-genres, in Sweden.
Germany may be the place to go for electronic/techno/trance/etc, but best heavy metal? Not by a long shot.
And Norway is mostly black metal, not death.