Did you bother to find out if they voted for FISA? Imagine the irony of your Senator, who voted for this monstrosity in the first place, removing immunity for companies that were only following the letter of the law.
Amazing how little people understand the process of governance.
How exactly did the telecoms bypass the FISA court? They don't access to the FISA court.
If the NSA didn't go to the FISA court, then they are breaking the law. The telcos are only complying with a bad law and should not have to pay for bad laws being passed by our incompetent, lawyer filled congress.
The congress is the root cause of all of this. They passed FISA, renewed FISA and now everyone is up in arms because the administration actually used the provisions of FISA to do what FISA intended. The telcos are caught between a rock and a hard place and to top it all off, the people responsible are now going to punish them by not giving them immunity from complying with a bad law that they passed.
While they are filibustering the immunity clause, maybe they could spend some time talking about repealing FISA or maybe not renewing it again. This is typical of our congress, instead of opposing something outright, they make it toothless and unworkable. Next time, it may be you or yours that are harmed. This time it is the telcos and whoever was spied on.
I still can not see how the telcos have violated the law.
1. FISA is the law. 2. FISA permits the NSA to tap phones without an existing warrant. 3. The phone companies must comply with NSA requests for taps without an existing warrant, (see 1 and 2 above). 4. After tapping a phone without a warrant, the NSA must eventually get a warrant. 5. The warrants are state secrets involving foreign spying and do not get forwarded to the phone companies. 6. Only the NSA can break the FISA law by not eventually getting the warrant.
Even if you disagree with FISA, it is still the law of the land. Even if the NSA does not get a warrant, the remedy is that any information they obtain can not be used in a court of law. If the information is used in some something 'evil', then there should be existing law (ie against blackmail) that will apply.
Don't you people read the news? The constitution is as strong as ever. The judicial branch just did a smack down on the executive and legislative branches.
Whatever. The reason I wouldn't work with DARPA is because they fund a quarter at a time. You can hit all of your milestones, have a great project and still get your funding yanked out from under you. When your funding gets cut, they aren't gentle about it. At a DARPA conference in Hawaii, the colonel in charge announced after reviewing all of the projects that 90% of them were being cut. It was one of those moments where you are expecting 'duh-duh-duh' to be played.
Luckily my project wasn't one of those that was cut, but it was clear that DARPA had made a sea change and that the funding was going to dry up eventually. They are lavish in their spending. The conferences were always held somewhere swank. My wife loved it.
When the idea was first floated about dispersing iron into the ocean, it was laughed at. Now it is dismissed as not being worthwhile, because it would only be a short term benefit. But, global warming isn't the only reason because more phytoplankton is also good for marine life and could help our depleted oceans restock.
If globaly warming is real and we really want to do something about it, it's going to take more then just building windmills and the world isn't going to go to windmill power over night.
The problem with environmentalists is that they don't want to change the environment. If there is a desert, it must be preserved. If there is a glacier, it should stop melting. That's not the way the world works and not everything is our fault.
There has been no erosion of civil liberties or freedoms in the United States. The terrorists at Gitmo now have habeous corpus, which probably doesn't even exist in your shit hole of a country. We have a country where the rule of law prevails and we have the longest running continuous form of governance in the world today. Which was my whole point you moron. In 6 months the next president can roll back all of the policies from the last president.
I'm the kind of patriot that will gladly kill others to preserve my nation and the kind the government has trained to do so.
Why would you want to stop upgrading your software? Usually newer versions of software are better then previous versions of software. Maybe you meant to say stop paying for upgrades?
My box is in perpetual upgrade. The xorg-x11-Xnest package can't install right and so I always have 1 available update in my tray.
Except for Dan Rather and the 'what's the frequency, Kenneth' incident, I haven't heard of anything like this going on.
It's amazing that a story about Sweden gets turned into a gripe fest about GWB and the evil republicans. Get it out of your systems folks, cause in 6 months you'll have to find something new to focus your pathetic and impotent hate upon.
There's also a big difference between writing the original code and coming in afterwards to fix a bug or add an extra feature. If only 20% of the coders are women, how many of them are lead developers and how many are maintainers?
The stupidest thing is that the person identifies who wrote what by looking at the style of the code instead of looking at the annotated history of the file which any reasonable code tracking system should do. Maybe that is too esoteric as well.
Seriously, google iron+ocean+global+cooling and you'll see tons of links.
Why do people get so defensive about these topics? Wouldn't you be relieved if we could use oxidation (rust) to spur growth in dead zones and trap carbon?
Before and after this ruling, the military tribunals will continue. This ruling just gives each and everyone of them a trial on the merits of their detention.
I would call it: ( ) - Nicest jail in Cuba ( ) - Better then swift 'justice' in their countries of origin ( ) - Testament to the rule of law prevailing, including this ruling ( ) - all of the above
Which is not the case in question. The US isn't just grabbing anyone and they are hardly throwing away the key. In some cases, most, sending these prisoners home would not be a good thing for them. In other cases, some, sending these prisoners home would not be a good thing for us.
Still, if it makes all of you scared of the government panty waists happy, then good on ya. It really doesn't change the facts on the ground and they still have to win in court. I hope they put it on tv, that would be sweet.
We could play 'what if' all day long. The point is that India and China have growing economies, which increases demand for oil and weakens the dollar.
However, I'll admit that Iraq has weakened the dollar if you can get all your liberal friends to stop saying we invaded Iraq for oil. It should be easy to do because it's obvious that Iraqi oil isn't flowing to America.
Oil prices have gone up because of three things... China, India and the weak dollar. It is not because of Iraq or Bush or Halliburton or Cheney or Peak Oil or Martians, Big Foot and the Illuminatti. Don't delude yourselves.
Insightful, but you're in the wrong place. Most/-daughters are against the war and actually believe Bush lied. They like to ignore all of the Clinton era intelligence that Saddam was reconstituting his weapons programs. Just like they'll ignore the corruption of the oil for food program that was used to funnel money to his reconstituting weapons program. The only piece of Clinton era intelligence that they'll even talk about is the one that said al qaeda wants to attack america, which they will conflate into a blueprint for 9/11.
Nothing delusional about it. The studies have been done and the results are well known. I don't mind being called delusional by the willfully ignorant.
The world has already started to solve this problem and if we really wanted to halt it, we could just dump iron scrap into the ocean.
The only question I want answered is 'Why should we even bother to fund climatoligists and their studies? It's settled, right?'. We should be funding engineers to solve this problem, and there are lots of solutions.
I find the centralized software repos to be one of the big turn offs for Linux. Most of the things in the repositories are stuff the average user has no knowledge of and almost no way to gain knowledge about.
Someone should look at downloads.com for a model of how to present software to end users. It has ratings and reviews from the cnet editors and visitors, screenshots of the products, they test the binaries for malware and offer multiple download sites usually including the makers of the software.
If something like this existed for Linux, it would go a long way to getting more people on board.
I think the whole point is that getting sued for gpl code violation would be a bad thing for companies that sell code of the proprietary nature. Companies that sell cheap crud from China, books and cars undoubtably have a lower probability of being sued for gpl code violations.
Finally, lawyers who write opinions about the gpl are also very unlikely to get sued for gpl code violations. I'm sure an article about the implications of the gpl on say the dog food market would be much less interesting then one about systems and software development.
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Did you bother to find out if they voted for FISA? Imagine the irony of your Senator, who voted for this monstrosity in the first place, removing immunity for companies that were only following the letter of the law.
Amazing how little people understand the process of governance.
How exactly did the telecoms bypass the FISA court? They don't access to the FISA court.
If the NSA didn't go to the FISA court, then they are breaking the law. The telcos are only complying with a bad law and should not have to pay for bad laws being passed by our incompetent, lawyer filled congress.
The congress is the root cause of all of this. They passed FISA, renewed FISA and now everyone is up in arms because the administration actually used the provisions of FISA to do what FISA intended. The telcos are caught between a rock and a hard place and to top it all off, the people responsible are now going to punish them by not giving them immunity from complying with a bad law that they passed.
While they are filibustering the immunity clause, maybe they could spend some time talking about repealing FISA or maybe not renewing it again. This is typical of our congress, instead of opposing something outright, they make it toothless and unworkable. Next time, it may be you or yours that are harmed. This time it is the telcos and whoever was spied on.
And rubber cigars do not explode. They just kind of melt and get all sticky.
I still can not see how the telcos have violated the law.
1. FISA is the law.
2. FISA permits the NSA to tap phones without an existing warrant.
3. The phone companies must comply with NSA requests for taps without an existing warrant, (see 1 and 2 above).
4. After tapping a phone without a warrant, the NSA must eventually get a warrant.
5. The warrants are state secrets involving foreign spying and do not get forwarded to the phone companies.
6. Only the NSA can break the FISA law by not eventually getting the warrant.
Even if you disagree with FISA, it is still the law of the land. Even if the NSA does not get a warrant, the remedy is that any information they obtain can not be used in a court of law. If the information is used in some something 'evil', then there should be existing law (ie against blackmail) that will apply.
Don't you people read the news? The constitution is as strong as ever. The judicial branch just did a smack down on the executive and legislative branches.
Whatever. The reason I wouldn't work with DARPA is because they fund a quarter at a time. You can hit all of your milestones, have a great project and still get your funding yanked out from under you. When your funding gets cut, they aren't gentle about it. At a DARPA conference in Hawaii, the colonel in charge announced after reviewing all of the projects that 90% of them were being cut. It was one of those moments where you are expecting 'duh-duh-duh' to be played.
Luckily my project wasn't one of those that was cut, but it was clear that DARPA had made a sea change and that the funding was going to dry up eventually. They are lavish in their spending. The conferences were always held somewhere swank. My wife loved it.
That would make good ad copy for the GPL:
"Easier to read then a typical redistribution license for a commercial software library!"
When the idea was first floated about dispersing iron into the ocean, it was laughed at. Now it is dismissed as not being worthwhile, because it would only be a short term benefit. But, global warming isn't the only reason because more phytoplankton is also good for marine life and could help our depleted oceans restock.
If globaly warming is real and we really want to do something about it, it's going to take more then just building windmills and the world isn't going to go to windmill power over night.
The problem with environmentalists is that they don't want to change the environment. If there is a desert, it must be preserved. If there is a glacier, it should stop melting. That's not the way the world works and not everything is our fault.
There has been no erosion of civil liberties or freedoms in the United States. The terrorists at Gitmo now have habeous corpus, which probably doesn't even exist in your shit hole of a country. We have a country where the rule of law prevails and we have the longest running continuous form of governance in the world today. Which was my whole point you moron. In 6 months the next president can roll back all of the policies from the last president.
I'm the kind of patriot that will gladly kill others to preserve my nation and the kind the government has trained to do so.
Why would you want to stop upgrading your software? Usually newer versions of software are better then previous versions of software. Maybe you meant to say stop paying for upgrades?
My box is in perpetual upgrade. The xorg-x11-Xnest package can't install right and so I always have 1 available update in my tray.
Except for Dan Rather and the 'what's the frequency, Kenneth' incident, I haven't heard of anything like this going on.
It's amazing that a story about Sweden gets turned into a gripe fest about GWB and the evil republicans. Get it out of your systems folks, cause in 6 months you'll have to find something new to focus your pathetic and impotent hate upon.
There's also a big difference between writing the original code and coming in afterwards to fix a bug or add an extra feature. If only 20% of the coders are women, how many of them are lead developers and how many are maintainers?
The stupidest thing is that the person identifies who wrote what by looking at the style of the code instead of looking at the annotated history of the file which any reasonable code tracking system should do. Maybe that is too esoteric as well.
Seriously, google iron+ocean+global+cooling and you'll see tons of links.
Why do people get so defensive about these topics? Wouldn't you be relieved if we could use oxidation (rust) to spur growth in dead zones and trap carbon?
Good luck, dude.
And no one is appealing the non-ratification of Microsoft's "Open XML". Except for the Office version, maybe?
www.google.com - for the win!
Before and after this ruling, the military tribunals will continue. This ruling just gives each and everyone of them a trial on the merits of their detention.
I would call it:
( ) - Nicest jail in Cuba
( ) - Better then swift 'justice' in their countries of origin
( ) - Testament to the rule of law prevailing, including this ruling
( ) - all of the above
Take your pick.
Which is not the case in question. The US isn't just grabbing anyone and they are hardly throwing away the key. In some cases, most, sending these prisoners home would not be a good thing for them. In other cases, some, sending these prisoners home would not be a good thing for us.
Still, if it makes all of you scared of the government panty waists happy, then good on ya. It really doesn't change the facts on the ground and they still have to win in court. I hope they put it on tv, that would be sweet.
We could play 'what if' all day long. The point is that India and China have growing economies, which increases demand for oil and weakens the dollar.
However, I'll admit that Iraq has weakened the dollar if you can get all your liberal friends to stop saying we invaded Iraq for oil. It should be easy to do because it's obvious that Iraqi oil isn't flowing to America.
I expect you to remain willfully ignorant and pompous.
Oil prices have gone up because of three things... China, India and the weak dollar. It is not because of Iraq or Bush or Halliburton or Cheney or Peak Oil or Martians, Big Foot and the Illuminatti. Don't delude yourselves.
Insightful, but you're in the wrong place. Most /-daughters are against the war and actually believe Bush lied. They like to ignore all of the Clinton era intelligence that Saddam was reconstituting his weapons programs. Just like they'll ignore the corruption of the oil for food program that was used to funnel money to his reconstituting weapons program. The only piece of Clinton era intelligence that they'll even talk about is the one that said al qaeda wants to attack america, which they will conflate into a blueprint for 9/11.
Nothing delusional about it. The studies have been done and the results are well known. I don't mind being called delusional by the willfully ignorant.
The world has already started to solve this problem and if we really wanted to halt it, we could just dump iron scrap into the ocean.
The only question I want answered is 'Why should we even bother to fund climatoligists and their studies? It's settled, right?'. We should be funding engineers to solve this problem, and there are lots of solutions.
I find the centralized software repos to be one of the big turn offs for Linux. Most of the things in the repositories are stuff the average user has no knowledge of and almost no way to gain knowledge about.
Someone should look at downloads.com for a model of how to present software to end users. It has ratings and reviews from the cnet editors and visitors, screenshots of the products, they test the binaries for malware and offer multiple download sites usually including the makers of the software.
If something like this existed for Linux, it would go a long way to getting more people on board.
I think the whole point is that getting sued for gpl code violation would be a bad thing for companies that sell code of the proprietary nature. Companies that sell cheap crud from China, books and cars undoubtably have a lower probability of being sued for gpl code violations.
Finally, lawyers who write opinions about the gpl are also very unlikely to get sued for gpl code violations. I'm sure an article about the implications of the gpl on say the dog food market would be much less interesting then one about systems and software development.
God help us if they ever fork the gpl again.