They might not all get a light bulb over their head and think 'O Noes, Ib Pwnd', but most of them will notice that their computer and their internet suck.
If they seriously game, they're going to notice. If they're corporate, they're going to notice. My ISP noticed, it took them about 4 days and I had already quarantined the infected box, but eventually they blocked my router from getting an IP.
My solution was to install Suse. The teenager in my house was up and running in about an hour. He's still a little befuddled by the file system, but for what he likes to do, chat and listen to music, it's a good system. If we ever miss playing Battlefield, I'll just scrub the windows partition and make sure it is used only for gaming.
Lesson: P2P + Windows = a really bad idea... Which I did tell them repeatedly.
If you are part of a botnet, they will notice something. 99% of botnet controlled computers may be Microsoft machines, but there is no way on this green earth that 99% of Microsoft machines are part of a botnet.
Corporations don't let botnets exist on their infrastructure for long, neither does the government and military. Even my ISP will deny you access if you have an infected machine.
Or maybe 'conspiracy to violate copyright laws'. The US government also has tax laws in its arsenal.
It just depends on how bad they want to get you. If they want you bad enough, expect them to pull rabbits out of their hats and aces from their sleeves.
So 1% of Microsoft machines are not being used for botnets?
I must be exceedingly lucky cause I have a few Windows boxes and they aren't part of any botnet. I did have one that got owned pretty bad this year, but it's now running Suse while I figure out if I want to fix the Windows partition (yeah, it was that bad).
I don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing or what the op means, but I don't think the universe will need any help if we ever spread. We've made and continue to make mistakes when it comes to the environment, but we're the only lifeform that can recognize mistakes and try to amend for them. It should also be mentioned that there are plenty of animals that have benefited from the Human Race and not just pets.
We are both a part of nature and responsible for nature. No other lifeform on this planet shares that burden and really, it's only been ours for the last 100 years. Before that, we were still scratching at mud and praying for rain.
I'd love to discuss what it would take to get to the 'universe', cause really, just getting to another star would take a hella long time.
I'll just name the flash points and you can fill in the blanks:
The Taiwan Straits (nuclear flash point, 1 civil war since WWI) The Indo-Paki Border (nuclear flash point, several wars since WWI) The Sino-Indo Border (nuclear flash point) The Korean DMZ (nuclear flash point, 1 war since WWI) The Iran-Iraq Border (1 war since WWI) The Israeli Border (nuclear flash point, several wars since WWI)
I'm with you, around the campfire, singing kumbaya. I just wish more of the world was with us.
"Did we really hurt Al Qaeda by going into Afghanistan? Did we catch Osama? And why did we leave before the job was done?"
Yes, no and when exactly did we leave? I must have missed that news flash about the US leaving Afghanistan.
"Please, present us with a scenario where we would need our military."
You should study what led up to WWI. You'll be fascinated, because even today people argue over the cause. Today, there are lots of flashpoints around the globe that could lead to war on a world scale. These places are in the news a lot. Consult Agnes Nutter or Nostradamus if you want a prediction.
I don't understand how someone can say the police and the lawyers are going to save us. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe we should have just passed a resolution outlawing Al Qaeda and never sent the troops into Afghanistan (which is where a majority of the Gitmo prisoners were captured).
I think maybe you people are confusing Gitmo with Abu Gharaib.
Because the US government is fighting an enemy that flies no flag, wears no uniform, obeys no laws and respects no treaties. This same enemy also purposefully targets civilians and has done so in Europe, America, Africa and Asia.
No, it's those people with the cushy government jobs.
They really hate it when people bring up Gitmo as an example of the erosion of the rights of the average American. The less then 400 non-American detainees at Gitmo get treated better then the average American in a state run jail. Our soldiers would be more then happy with the same accomodations when captured as opposed to being deheaded on the intertubes.
I meant to say Wayne's great great great great grandfather, Issac but my keyboards doesn't work so well in the cold weather we've been having. BTW, before you ding me for adding an extra generation into the Newton family tree, the extra great is because Issac really was great.
Open standards are great, but I don't think it will be a panacea for all that ills us on the intertubes. Given any reasonably complex standard, you will find enough wiggle room to make item A not work right on application B. If A is > 50% of the market, it's going to be A's way or the highway.
I think we are going to have to rely on our own intelligence and less on the latest buzzword which promises to level the field.
First, Global Warming is passe, try Global Climate Change. That's a better term for your crowd because when it snows in April you can relate it to Global Climate Change. It has the added benefit of being completely true since no one is going to argue for Global Climate Stasis.
Second, science is about confirming links, obvious (to you) or not. Not that this study is going to actual confirm anything. Studying something for 2 years will not allow them or you or anyone to draw any conclusions about whether Global Climate Change is the cause.
Third, the conclusion that this is a new phenomenon is on shaky ground. Same can be said for the ozone hole. A better label would be a phenomenon we've never noticed before. I'm sure one of Newton's contemporaries probably labeled gravity as a new phenomenon, as if everyone was floating around in zero G before the apple fell on Wayne's head.
When I deal with c++, and it's not often as I do mostly system level stuff, I'm usually looking for 'the work'. That is, I know that 'the work' is being done, but finding where that code actually is turns into a nightmare of following inheritence trees or container classes or vtables. Once I find 'the work', changing its behavior is usually pretty easy.
The funny thing is that I transferred from one University to another for the sole reason that the first wasn't teaching any c++ classes (though they still required pascal). Now I look at c++ as being 'too much rope' for the average programmer.
C++ was supposed to make things like reuse easier. It doesn't. C++ was also supposed to make code cleaner and easier to understand. It doesn't. Sure, you can write clean, reusable code in C++, unfortunately, it's not the usual outcome.
It's less of a stretch to compare 'Nazi Death Camps' to 'Concentration Camps' then to compare Gitmo to 'Concentration Camps'. Less then 300 prisoners, not much of a concentration. Maybe we should call Guiness and tell them we've found the world's smallest 'Concentration Camp'. Also the most hospitable.
"The possibility that one or two of the hundreds of detainees might do something like that in the future..."
This has already happened and innocent people were killed because of it. Many of the incarcerated people in Gitmo are raving mad anti-anything-not-muslim murderers.
"and not just in some third-world kangaroo court"
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I think the only thing that would make you happy would be to grant them citizenship and give the food stamps. Maybe throw them a parade?
"concentration camp" != "death camp"
Wrong again. The "death camps" were specially designed "concentration camps". Even the camps that weren't "death camps" were the sites of horrific deaths due to overwork, malnourishment, disease and random bullets.
According to who? The only question at the end of the trial was whether he should be kept alive to stand trial for the 100s, if not 1000s, of other things he did.
You should see the video of Saddam reading out the names of Iraqi Politicians guilty of treason. Most of those men would be dead before the video stopped running.
It's very strange that you are so quick to pass judgement on the court and yet give Saddam so much benefit of the doubt. Personally, I think we should have dropped a grenade in the spider hole he was hiding out in, that much quicker.
"and Saddam Hussein was tried by a kangaroo court and lynched by a mob. the entire thing makes me sick."
I think he got more of a trial then he deserved. Mussolini was dragged thru the streets and Hitler was barbecued with his wife. He certainly got more mercy then he ever showed to his own people.
"the terrorists are average people, at least in bulk"
The nazis were also average people. The khmer rouge were also average people. Am I supposed to be comforted by the thought that the 'terrorists' are average people?
That aside, I don't believe that the average terrorist in Iraq is an average Iraqi. The average Iraqi has participated in several elections. The average Iraqi gets up each morning and goes about his day much like the average American or European, except in a country that has been raped for several decades by a mad man and his family and friends. The average Iraqi is now more afraid of the terrorists then the US military.
America has a long history of fighting pirates and terrorists. Fault Bush, but he's been upfront about all of this since 9/11. He ran for a second term on this issue (and won). Since 9/11, the taliban and al qaeda have lost their main bases in Afghanistan. 1 member of the Axis of Evil has been hanged by his own people and another has the US military on the other side of two borders. I think history will be more kind to Bush then the current MSM and online punditry.
That's a bunch of bull. Dell only became Dell because they offered multiple configurations.
I remember going to the first Dell store, located at Lamar and Research in Austin, Tx. Back then you could make just about any deal you wanted, usually just by talking to Michael. I still remember my Dad taking motherboards back to him and getting replacements. The store was located in the back of this cheesy strip mall next to an RC shop. His Mom worked the register.
The point is that Apple could do the same, except Steve Jobs knows whats best for everyone and their customers think the same.
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They might not all get a light bulb over their head and think 'O Noes, Ib Pwnd', but most of them will notice that their computer and their internet suck.
If they seriously game, they're going to notice. If they're corporate, they're going to notice. My ISP noticed, it took them about 4 days and I had already quarantined the infected box, but eventually they blocked my router from getting an IP.
My solution was to install Suse. The teenager in my house was up and running in about an hour. He's still a little befuddled by the file system, but for what he likes to do, chat and listen to music, it's a good system. If we ever miss playing Battlefield, I'll just scrub the windows partition and make sure it is used only for gaming.
Lesson: P2P + Windows = a really bad idea... Which I did tell them repeatedly.
More likely it will be your arse that they pull stuff out of...
If you are part of a botnet, they will notice something. 99% of botnet controlled computers may be Microsoft machines, but there is no way on this green earth that 99% of Microsoft machines are part of a botnet.
Corporations don't let botnets exist on their infrastructure for long, neither does the government and military. Even my ISP will deny you access if you have an infected machine.
Sorry, just don't buy the math.
Or maybe 'conspiracy to violate copyright laws'. The US government also has tax laws in its arsenal.
It just depends on how bad they want to get you. If they want you bad enough, expect them to pull rabbits out of their hats and aces from their sleeves.
So 1% of Microsoft machines are not being used for botnets?
I must be exceedingly lucky cause I have a few Windows boxes and they aren't part of any botnet. I did have one that got owned pretty bad this year, but it's now running Suse while I figure out if I want to fix the Windows partition (yeah, it was that bad).
I don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing or what the op means, but I don't think the universe will need any help if we ever spread. We've made and continue to make mistakes when it comes to the environment, but we're the only lifeform that can recognize mistakes and try to amend for them. It should also be mentioned that there are plenty of animals that have benefited from the Human Race and not just pets.
We are both a part of nature and responsible for nature. No other lifeform on this planet shares that burden and really, it's only been ours for the last 100 years. Before that, we were still scratching at mud and praying for rain.
I'd love to discuss what it would take to get to the 'universe', cause really, just getting to another star would take a hella long time.
I'll just name the flash points and you can fill in the blanks:
The Taiwan Straits (nuclear flash point, 1 civil war since WWI)
The Indo-Paki Border (nuclear flash point, several wars since WWI)
The Sino-Indo Border (nuclear flash point)
The Korean DMZ (nuclear flash point, 1 war since WWI)
The Iran-Iraq Border (1 war since WWI)
The Israeli Border (nuclear flash point, several wars since WWI)
I'm with you, around the campfire, singing kumbaya. I just wish more of the world was with us.
"Did we really hurt Al Qaeda by going into Afghanistan? Did we catch Osama? And why did we leave before the job was done?"
Yes, no and when exactly did we leave? I must have missed that news flash about the US leaving Afghanistan.
"Please, present us with a scenario where we would need our military."
You should study what led up to WWI. You'll be fascinated, because even today people argue over the cause. Today, there are lots of flashpoints around the globe that could lead to war on a world scale. These places are in the news a lot. Consult Agnes Nutter or Nostradamus if you want a prediction.
I don't understand how someone can say the police and the lawyers are going to save us. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe we should have just passed a resolution outlawing Al Qaeda and never sent the troops into Afghanistan (which is where a majority of the Gitmo prisoners were captured).
I think maybe you people are confusing Gitmo with Abu Gharaib.
"enslaved captives"
Cry me a river...
Because the US government is fighting an enemy that flies no flag, wears no uniform, obeys no laws and respects no treaties. This same enemy also purposefully targets civilians and has done so in Europe, America, Africa and Asia.
Any other questions?
No, it's those people with the cushy government jobs.
They really hate it when people bring up Gitmo as an example of the erosion of the rights of the average American. The less then 400 non-American detainees at Gitmo get treated better then the average American in a state run jail. Our soldiers would be more then happy with the same accomodations when captured as opposed to being deheaded on the intertubes.
Cause they me be Chapter 11 in a few more quarters...
I meant to say Wayne's great great great great grandfather, Issac but my keyboards doesn't work so well in the cold weather we've been having. BTW, before you ding me for adding an extra generation into the Newton family tree, the extra great is because Issac really was great.
Open standards are great, but I don't think it will be a panacea for all that ills us on the intertubes. Given any reasonably complex standard, you will find enough wiggle room to make item A not work right on application B. If A is > 50% of the market, it's going to be A's way or the highway.
I think we are going to have to rely on our own intelligence and less on the latest buzzword which promises to level the field.
I was going to mod some of the other posts...
First, Global Warming is passe, try Global Climate Change. That's a better term for your crowd because when it snows in April you can relate it to Global Climate Change. It has the added benefit of being completely true since no one is going to argue for Global Climate Stasis.
Second, science is about confirming links, obvious (to you) or not. Not that this study is going to actual confirm anything. Studying something for 2 years will not allow them or you or anyone to draw any conclusions about whether Global Climate Change is the cause.
Third, the conclusion that this is a new phenomenon is on shaky ground. Same can be said for the ozone hole. A better label would be a phenomenon we've never noticed before. I'm sure one of Newton's contemporaries probably labeled gravity as a new phenomenon, as if everyone was floating around in zero G before the apple fell on Wayne's head.
When I deal with c++, and it's not often as I do mostly system level stuff, I'm usually looking for 'the work'. That is, I know that 'the work' is being done, but finding where that code actually is turns into a nightmare of following inheritence trees or container classes or vtables. Once I find 'the work', changing its behavior is usually pretty easy.
The funny thing is that I transferred from one University to another for the sole reason that the first wasn't teaching any c++ classes (though they still required pascal). Now I look at c++ as being 'too much rope' for the average programmer.
C++ was supposed to make things like reuse easier. It doesn't. C++ was also supposed to make code cleaner and easier to understand. It doesn't. Sure, you can write clean, reusable code in C++, unfortunately, it's not the usual outcome.
Two people who know how to read a dictionary.
It's less of a stretch to compare 'Nazi Death Camps' to 'Concentration Camps' then to compare Gitmo to 'Concentration Camps'. Less then 300 prisoners, not much of a concentration. Maybe we should call Guiness and tell them we've found the world's smallest 'Concentration Camp'. Also the most hospitable.
"The possibility that one or two of the hundreds of detainees might do something like that in the future..."
This has already happened and innocent people were killed because of it. Many of the incarcerated people in Gitmo are raving mad anti-anything-not-muslim murderers.
"and not just in some third-world kangaroo court"
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I think the only thing that would make you happy would be to grant them citizenship and give the food stamps. Maybe throw them a parade?
"concentration camp" != "death camp"
Wrong again. The "death camps" were specially designed "concentration camps". Even the camps that weren't "death camps" were the sites of horrific deaths due to overwork, malnourishment, disease and random bullets.
According to who? The only question at the end of the trial was whether he should be kept alive to stand trial for the 100s, if not 1000s, of other things he did.
You should see the video of Saddam reading out the names of Iraqi Politicians guilty of treason. Most of those men would be dead before the video stopped running.
It's very strange that you are so quick to pass judgement on the court and yet give Saddam so much benefit of the doubt. Personally, I think we should have dropped a grenade in the spider hole he was hiding out in, that much quicker.
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"and Saddam Hussein was tried by a kangaroo court and lynched by a mob. the entire thing makes me sick."
I think he got more of a trial then he deserved. Mussolini was dragged thru the streets and Hitler was barbecued with his wife. He certainly got more mercy then he ever showed to his own people.
I never said Apple wants to be Dell. I'm just pointing out the reason Apple isn't Dell.
You could add...
MS == MS to that list. Apple doesn't want to be MS either, which is why antitrust is a bunch of bull as well.
"the terrorists are average people, at least in bulk"
The nazis were also average people. The khmer rouge were also average people. Am I supposed to be comforted by the thought that the 'terrorists' are average people?
That aside, I don't believe that the average terrorist in Iraq is an average Iraqi. The average Iraqi has participated in several elections. The average Iraqi gets up each morning and goes about his day much like the average American or European, except in a country that has been raped for several decades by a mad man and his family and friends. The average Iraqi is now more afraid of the terrorists then the US military.
America has a long history of fighting pirates and terrorists. Fault Bush, but he's been upfront about all of this since 9/11. He ran for a second term on this issue (and won). Since 9/11, the taliban and al qaeda have lost their main bases in Afghanistan. 1 member of the Axis of Evil has been hanged by his own people and another has the US military on the other side of two borders. I think history will be more kind to Bush then the current MSM and online punditry.
That's a bunch of bull. Dell only became Dell because they offered multiple configurations.
I remember going to the first Dell store, located at Lamar and Research in Austin, Tx. Back then you could make just about any deal you wanted, usually just by talking to Michael. I still remember my Dad taking motherboards back to him and getting replacements. The store was located in the back of this cheesy strip mall next to an RC shop. His Mom worked the register.
The point is that Apple could do the same, except Steve Jobs knows whats best for everyone and their customers think the same.