Well apparently their bet paid off for quite a few years. Again I have to wonder if this wasn't the brainchild of some geek programmer in VW. Everyone assumes it wasn't, but I await the truth on this.
Assuming that a non-DEF mode would satisfy the smog tests in real life. Right now we know they can during testing, but clearly testing isn't as realistic as one might hope, otherwise this fiasco wouldn't happen.
That's what I figured. So I can't understand why VW doesn't keep on obfuscating to the regulators. Say that it isn't designed to beat the tests, it just happens to perform great on the tests, tough luck your tests aren't as representative as you had hoped. Go pound sand. Giving up and admitting everything is very odd to me.
I'm guessing you mean on the internet, because that surely doesn't apply in real life!
On the internet, your statement isn't true either. I suppose you could say that given enough resources anything you do *might* be traced to you. Whether it actually could be depends on a lot of things like what logs various systems keep, whether you repeatedly engage in the same behaviour, and what exactly you mean by "enough resources". Like does managing impossible feats like controlling foreign hostile computers constitute "resources"?
Every time I hear about some wacky idea to mine asteroids or the moon, I think "why"? Surely the costs far outweigh the returns. Anything remotely valuable enough to consider doing it for, like gold, would realistically require lots of water (and gravity) to separate, and it would hardly be viable to bring all the dirt back here to refine. This is pie in the sky stuff (literally!).
You're right it's illegal to obey an illegal order. But often most of us can't predict which orders will be illegal. Orders in general are prima facie legal, and when an executive arm of government says its legal, it's pretty hard to disobey it, not least because they can fire you, so it takes big balls to fight it.
Why shouldn't they keep a cache if the law elsewhere allows? I presume the internet archive keeps a copy. I presume thousands of people have copies in their browser caches. Once public always public.
Someone tell me how software can "disable emissions controls"? I mean, I don't think there is an "emissions control" thingy that the software says "stop working now", is there?
I don't think having a robot arm control the controller can be considered modifying the system. And I can't see how Nintendo could prove that this isn't how you did it.
The officers of the company most likely have no clue how the engine management software works. We don't even know if the managers in the engine management division knew. For that matter, we don't even know if they outsourced this component.
Who knows, maybe the managers said to the pimple faced programmer to write them a program that passes these emission tests and maximizes performance. They guy did exactly that, but happened to do it too well. We don't know if this comes right from the top, or whether it was one geek's idea of cool software.
Stupid that they had to get software engineers to deem that it didn't comply and they couldn't actually create a testing regime that properly detected it and evaluated it. Next time maybe they'll encase the software in battle hardened firmware chips so you destroy it by pulling it apart.
If you have to press the gas harder to get the same performance (which you would if there is all this emissions gear on), then the emissions gear is making the engine life worse, and VW did the owners a favour. Nothing about emissions standards is there to improve engine performance whether it be power nor engine life.
It's a fine line between "deliberately defeating a test regime" and simply optimising for a certain scenario which the government deems to be typical.
I can't understand why VW is admitting to this. Surely they could obfuscate and say it's either a bug, or it's simply the way the car performs in this particular scenario, or it's just the complex who-knows-why of the black box, that they could promise to improve upon.
At the end of the day, this is the government's fault for having such a stupid testing regime that is so easily bypassed.
Instead of dropping the bomb they could have demonstrated the bomb. Actually it's been argued the bomb didn't end the war because Tokyo couldn't really figure out what had happened way down at Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyway.
You make a good point that it wasn't Germany's strategic aim to inherit a nuclear wasteland of Europe. But perhaps they might not have minded turning the US into nuclear wasteland to stop them.
Yeah, but aren't the teachers smart enough to interview the kid themselves and figure it out without calling in a SWAT team of police officers? I mean surely a casual and yet rigorous interview of the kid by teachers is more likely to extract the truth anyway than police officers.
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Well apparently their bet paid off for quite a few years. Again I have to wonder if this wasn't the brainchild of some geek programmer in VW. Everyone assumes it wasn't, but I await the truth on this.
If VW had any sense they would shrug their shoulders and say, oh those clever engineers and their over-zealous algorithms.
You're assuming someone will force you to take the update. Is there reason to believe that?
Assuming that a non-DEF mode would satisfy the smog tests in real life. Right now we know they can during testing, but clearly testing isn't as realistic as one might hope, otherwise this fiasco wouldn't happen.
That's what I figured. So I can't understand why VW doesn't keep on obfuscating to the regulators. Say that it isn't designed to beat the tests, it just happens to perform great on the tests, tough luck your tests aren't as representative as you had hoped. Go pound sand. Giving up and admitting everything is very odd to me.
"Because if you're the NSA there's no "private"."
Depends what country you're in and/or what countries the links pass over. The NSA doesn't (quite!) control the whole internet.
I'm guessing you mean on the internet, because that surely doesn't apply in real life!
On the internet, your statement isn't true either. I suppose you could say that given enough resources anything you do *might* be traced to you. Whether it actually could be depends on a lot of things like what logs various systems keep, whether you repeatedly engage in the same behaviour, and what exactly you mean by "enough resources". Like does managing impossible feats like controlling foreign hostile computers constitute "resources"?
Every time I hear about some wacky idea to mine asteroids or the moon, I think "why"? Surely the costs far outweigh the returns. Anything remotely valuable enough to consider doing it for, like gold, would realistically require lots of water (and gravity) to separate, and it would hardly be viable to bring all the dirt back here to refine. This is pie in the sky stuff (literally!).
You're right it's illegal to obey an illegal order. But often most of us can't predict which orders will be illegal. Orders in general are prima facie legal, and when an executive arm of government says its legal, it's pretty hard to disobey it, not least because they can fire you, so it takes big balls to fight it.
Why shouldn't they keep a cache if the law elsewhere allows? I presume the internet archive keeps a copy. I presume thousands of people have copies in their browser caches. Once public always public.
Someone tell me how software can "disable emissions controls"? I mean, I don't think there is an "emissions control" thingy that the software says "stop working now", is there?
I don't think having a robot arm control the controller can be considered modifying the system. And I can't see how Nintendo could prove that this isn't how you did it.
I don't think I consider building the code into the MS browser as being cause to celebrate that no plugin is needed.
The officers of the company most likely have no clue how the engine management software works. We don't even know if the managers in the engine management division knew. For that matter, we don't even know if they outsourced this component.
Who knows, maybe the managers said to the pimple faced programmer to write them a program that passes these emission tests and maximizes performance. They guy did exactly that, but happened to do it too well. We don't know if this comes right from the top, or whether it was one geek's idea of cool software.
Stupid that they had to get software engineers to deem that it didn't comply and they couldn't actually create a testing regime that properly detected it and evaluated it. Next time maybe they'll encase the software in battle hardened firmware chips so you destroy it by pulling it apart.
If you have to press the gas harder to get the same performance (which you would if there is all this emissions gear on), then the emissions gear is making the engine life worse, and VW did the owners a favour. Nothing about emissions standards is there to improve engine performance whether it be power nor engine life.
It's a fine line between "deliberately defeating a test regime" and simply optimising for a certain scenario which the government deems to be typical.
I can't understand why VW is admitting to this. Surely they could obfuscate and say it's either a bug, or it's simply the way the car performs in this particular scenario, or it's just the complex who-knows-why of the black box, that they could promise to improve upon.
At the end of the day, this is the government's fault for having such a stupid testing regime that is so easily bypassed.
It makes some sense in that it gives you a vague idea of the company's ability to pay. It's how much value is in the company.
They have a monopoly on industry profits though.
An iphone 4S user is not your typical 6S buyer. In your case it would make more sense to upgrade to a 6.
Instead of dropping the bomb they could have demonstrated the bomb. Actually it's been argued the bomb didn't end the war because Tokyo couldn't really figure out what had happened way down at Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyway.
You make a good point that it wasn't Germany's strategic aim to inherit a nuclear wasteland of Europe. But perhaps they might not have minded turning the US into nuclear wasteland to stop them.
Yes there was a race, I saw it on Hogan's Heros! For me, that's definitive.
Yeah, but aren't the teachers smart enough to interview the kid themselves and figure it out without calling in a SWAT team of police officers? I mean surely a casual and yet rigorous interview of the kid by teachers is more likely to extract the truth anyway than police officers.