I don't have to -- I'm not making the positive argument here. If consumer response were truly random (and I don't believe it is, either), then some campaigns would be successes and others failures.
You're not making any argument at all, you're just being cocky and saying "It isn't true because it isn't proven true," despite lots of obvious evidence that it is.
No one is arguing that advertising is the only thing that matters, but rather that it is a large part of it.
The difference between the 'sunny day' thing is that there is no rational reason why it would be true. The 'advertising affects buying' thing, on the other hand does have a rational mechanism.
The other major difference is that advertising's effectiveness is widely accepted. If you want to propose an alternative explanation for the effect that can be seen when advertising is done then people might listen to you. Simply saying 'you can't logically prove it, neener neener neener' is not an argument.
Common sense would dictate that advertising would get people interested in a product. When people do advertise, their sales go up. Common sense would not dictate that hitting you head would make you feel good... other then by killing brain cells.
You can't prove it the same way you can prove that 1+1 = 2, but what would be the point in that? Advertising well almost always yields some results. Yes, there are other factors involved, but no one is going around 'shooting morphine' into the system. Can you propose any non-contrived mechanism that would produce results that would cause a correlation between advertising and sales? One that would work in every case?
Just because correlation doesn't mean causation, doesn't mean it can't or isn't even likely too.
Seriously, this is ridiculous. How do you know chocolate will taste good when you put it in your mouth? How do we know sex causes babies? How do we know providing water to crops makes them grow?
Its all about observed correlations. We do something, we see a change. If it happens over and over, we can assume that it'll make a change if we do it in the future.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, mind you. The only conspiracy is one of stupidity and sheep-like behavior, both for consumers and those making executive decisions in corporate America.
But you originally said that most peoples buying wouldn't change. Now you are complaining about a "Sheep-like behavior conspiracy"... the fact of the matter is most people
The fact of the matter is, thinking about stuff requires mental effort, and just like physical effort, people in general try to avoid it as much as possible.
People might benefit if they spent hours investigating different kinds of soaps, headache remedies, and colas. But they would also save money if they build their own house.
It might not be worth it.
And no, you wouldn't fail. You'd survive, maybe even make a comfortable revenue. You just can't make the outrageous yearly profits that everyone demands, or meet the gov's expectations of economic growth rate.
Average corporate profits in this country are like 5% or something.
Hospitals don't proscribe "tylenol" they proscribe "Acetaminophen" or "APAP", which are both terms for the generic chemical in Tylenol. And they don't proscribe it, but usualy Acetaminophen mixed with codine.
If real tylenol was mixed with codine, they sure as hell wouldn't need to advertize the stuff:P
global tlds - require some sort of evidence of being a global company (there are country codes for a reason)
You're telling me you want 200+ contries to agree to start spending huge amounts of money to validate the people registering stuff live in their countries?
Even ones that make tons of money selling their ccTLD as a defacto gTLD (niue, tuvalu, christmas islands (.nu,.tv,.cx))
So today a friend tells me of this great new site "gumby". I go to the web
and look for "gumby.com" (because it sounded somewhat commercial). When that
does not come up, I try for "gumby.net" and "gumby.org". You are now telling
me that I will have to try "gumby.XXX" on the average of 50 more times (not
counting bad typing) before I get the right "gumby"?
If someone found a weakness in your system, and then spent hours looking through your old emails, Instant message chats, documents, financial spreadsheets, etc.
And then had a press conference saying how much of a dumbass you are. Would you consider it "free research"?
You can just say "you can't more then X radio stations" and be done with it. In fact, that was the way things used to be until the telecom 'deregulation' act of 1996. Interestingly, this clear channel shit didn't start until then...
No regulation means no monopolies, but so does 'good' regulation. The problem is all this 'deregulation' stuff isn't actually deregulation, but rather changing the regulations in order to let greedy people game the system for $$, usually at the expense of other people.
If one were to abolish all regulation in the field everyones hospital bills would plumit overnight (though other bad things would happen also, but thats a diffrent topic)
"Other band things" hrm. hehe. "Clean needles? Pff, who needs 'em"
Of course, this is a pretty gross simplification. I have seen people online call the current Chinese system 'fascist'.
I don't really know all that much about fascism per se, but if you remove the 'national identity' or 'racial identity' component, there are a lot similarities with Confucianism. IE Confucius believed each person should be in a strict hierarchy with the emperor at the top. Of course, the ancient Chinese believed they were the only actual nation in the world (everyone else was one of 4 types of barbarians, barbarians from the east, barbarians from the west, barbarians from the north, and barbarians from the south)... so obviously they would have no 'national identity' concept:P
The Taiwanese still use Traditional Chinese characters, while the mainland uses Simplified ones. A mainlander might have trouble using a Taiwanese distro and vise versa.
Ironically, computer technology has completely negated the need for simplified characters
the Chinese government no longer considers itself to be "Communist".
Not meant to flame: but how does it consider itself now? Socialist? I don't know... I know that there are more economical liberties in China now, but that doesn't really make it less communist.
Yes, socialist. Some people call it 'facist', but I doubt that. Certanly they wouldn't call themselves facist.
It dosn't really seem that ironic to me. What does computer use have to do with political freedom?
While many people in the west consider Free Software a bit 'subversive' and politicized, they are right in line with the communist rhetoric that the nation was founded on.
Imagine tens of millions of kids growing up learning Linux rather then windows (I'm not going to pretend like a large percentages of Chinese schools are going to have computers. check out the film not one less)
it'll mean a lot more software and stuff for Linux. Eventually.
I don't think anyone uses UTF32, in UTF16 it would just be 0 then 65.
Anyway, while it might be wasteful, I think the world would be a better place for programmers if everyone stuck with UTF16 rather then other crazy encodings.
Compression can take care of the rest, besides how much of the large, space-taking-up information is plain text anyway?
What about if somebody needs to mix in Korean in the same document, for example. Very, very, complicated issues.
How so? It dosn't seem like it would be complicated to me.
Windows 2k supports Chinese (and japanese/korean) for things like filenames and anything else you might want to do out of the box, as long as the apps support it.
I was also able to get Chinese characters in word 2000 with windows 98 after a free download from Microsoft.
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I don't have to -- I'm not making the positive argument here. If consumer response were truly random (and I don't believe it is, either), then some campaigns would be successes and others failures.
You're not making any argument at all, you're just being cocky and saying "It isn't true because it isn't proven true," despite lots of obvious evidence that it is.
No one is arguing that advertising is the only thing that matters, but rather that it is a large part of it.
The difference between the 'sunny day' thing is that there is no rational reason why it would be true. The 'advertising affects buying' thing, on the other hand does have a rational mechanism.
The other major difference is that advertising's effectiveness is widely accepted. If you want to propose an alternative explanation for the effect that can be seen when advertising is done then people might listen to you. Simply saying 'you can't logically prove it, neener neener neener' is not an argument.
Can you think of one that would work in most cases? One that would be present in every single effective advertising campaign ever launched in history?
Common sense would dictate that advertising would get people interested in a product. When people do advertise, their sales go up. Common sense would not dictate that hitting you head would make you feel good... other then by killing brain cells.
You can't prove it the same way you can prove that 1+1 = 2, but what would be the point in that? Advertising well almost always yields some results. Yes, there are other factors involved, but no one is going around 'shooting morphine' into the system. Can you propose any non-contrived mechanism that would produce results that would cause a correlation between advertising and sales? One that would work in every case?
Just because correlation doesn't mean causation, doesn't mean it can't or isn't even likely too.
Seriously, this is ridiculous. How do you know chocolate will taste good when you put it in your mouth? How do we know sex causes babies? How do we know providing water to crops makes them grow?
Its all about observed correlations. We do something, we see a change. If it happens over and over, we can assume that it'll make a change if we do it in the future.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, mind you. The only conspiracy is one of stupidity and sheep-like behavior, both for consumers and those making executive decisions in corporate America.
But you originally said that most peoples buying wouldn't change. Now you are complaining about a "Sheep-like behavior conspiracy"... the fact of the matter is most people
The fact of the matter is, thinking about stuff requires mental effort, and just like physical effort, people in general try to avoid it as much as possible.
People might benefit if they spent hours investigating different kinds of soaps, headache remedies, and colas. But they would also save money if they build their own house.
It might not be worth it.
And no, you wouldn't fail. You'd survive, maybe even make a comfortable revenue. You just can't make the outrageous yearly profits that everyone demands, or meet the gov's expectations of economic growth rate.
Average corporate profits in this country are like 5% or something.
Hospitals don't proscribe "tylenol" they proscribe "Acetaminophen" or "APAP", which are both terms for the generic chemical in Tylenol. And they don't proscribe it, but usualy Acetaminophen mixed with codine.
:P
If real tylenol was mixed with codine, they sure as hell wouldn't need to advertize the stuff
If only I had some mod points :P
(bleh, fucking 2 minute timeout)
global tlds - require some sort of evidence of being a global company (there are country codes for a reason)
You're telling me you want 200+ contries to agree to start spending huge amounts of money to validate the people registering stuff live in their countries?
Even ones that make tons of money selling their ccTLD as a defacto gTLD (niue, tuvalu, christmas islands (.nu,.tv,.cx))
So today a friend tells me of this great new site "gumby". I go to the web and look for "gumby.com" (because it sounded somewhat commercial). When that does not come up, I try for "gumby.net" and "gumby.org". You are now telling me that I will have to try "gumby.XXX" on the average of 50 more times (not counting bad typing) before I get the right "gumby"?
Or you could just ask your friend for the URL...
If someone found a weakness in your system, and then spent hours looking through your old emails, Instant message chats, documents, financial spreadsheets, etc.
And then had a press conference saying how much of a dumbass you are. Would you consider it "free research"?
You can just say "you can't more then X radio stations" and be done with it. In fact, that was the way things used to be until the telecom 'deregulation' act of 1996. Interestingly, this clear channel shit didn't start until then...
No regulation means no monopolies, but so does 'good' regulation. The problem is all this 'deregulation' stuff isn't actually deregulation, but rather changing the regulations in order to let greedy people game the system for $$, usually at the expense of other people.
Well, I asked one chinese person if they 'heard' the characters when she read them, and she said she did.
And I do usualy think "and" or "or" when I see those symbols in code.
They have some escape stuff built in... but those would only be used in extreemly rare situations.
If one were to abolish all regulation in the field everyones hospital bills would plumit overnight (though other bad things would happen also, but thats a diffrent topic)
"Other band things" hrm. hehe. "Clean needles? Pff, who needs 'em"
Of course, this is a pretty gross simplification. I have seen people online call the current Chinese system 'fascist'.
:P
I don't really know all that much about fascism per se, but if you remove the 'national identity' or 'racial identity' component, there are a lot similarities with Confucianism. IE Confucius believed each person should be in a strict hierarchy with the emperor at the top. Of course, the ancient Chinese believed they were the only actual nation in the world (everyone else was one of 4 types of barbarians, barbarians from the east, barbarians from the west, barbarians from the north, and barbarians from the south)... so obviously they would have no 'national identity' concept
LOL, that is seriously pretty funy dude :P
What, too cool to use the word 'move'?
The Taiwanese still use Traditional Chinese characters, while the mainland uses Simplified ones. A mainlander might have trouble using a Taiwanese distro and vise versa.
Ironically, computer technology has completely negated the need for simplified characters
the Chinese government no longer considers itself to be "Communist". Not meant to flame: but how does it consider itself now? Socialist? I don't know... I know that there are more economical liberties in China now, but that doesn't really make it less communist.
Yes, socialist. Some people call it 'facist', but I doubt that. Certanly they wouldn't call themselves facist.
BAYANIHAN is a Filipino tradition where people in a community help their neighbor in physically moving their house to a different place.
What a bizarre tradition! I mean I realize there are times when it might be convenient to move a house, but still. Such a strange idea.
It dosn't really seem that ironic to me. What does computer use have to do with political freedom?
While many people in the west consider Free Software a bit 'subversive' and politicized, they are right in line with the communist rhetoric that the nation was founded on.
The Chinese people have no problem pronouncing "L"s, it's the Japanese who make that mistake.
Thanks in advance.
Imagine tens of millions of kids growing up learning Linux rather then windows (I'm not going to pretend like a large percentages of Chinese schools are going to have computers. check out the film not one less)
it'll mean a lot more software and stuff for Linux. Eventually.
I don't think anyone uses UTF32, in UTF16 it would just be 0 then 65.
Anyway, while it might be wasteful, I think the world would be a better place for programmers if everyone stuck with UTF16 rather then other crazy encodings.
Compression can take care of the rest, besides how much of the large, space-taking-up information is plain text anyway?
What about if somebody needs to mix in Korean in the same document, for example. Very, very, complicated issues.
How so? It dosn't seem like it would be complicated to me.
Windows 2k supports Chinese (and japanese/korean) for things like filenames and anything else you might want to do out of the box, as long as the apps support it.
I was also able to get Chinese characters in word 2000 with windows 98 after a free download from Microsoft.