So you are saying that AMD's 64-bit chip will be implemented as extensions to their current 32-bit architecture and not a complete redesign?
Yup, AMD's chips are just x86 with expanded registers. quite monsterous really. Same thing as the 386 was.
? Do you expect AMD's new processor to have issues with executing 32-bit code like Intel's PPro did with 16-bit code?
Personaly, I doubt it. the 386 didn't have any trouble with 16 bit code, but the p-pro did because intel knew it was time to move on. I don't think AMD will let up on 32bit support untill everyone moves to 64bit.
The diffrence between the pentium and the p-pro are rather minute when compared with the diffrence betwee any pentium/486/386/etc chip and the Itanium. To really answer your question, though you kind of have to look at the history of the whole thing.
To start things off, intel releases the 8086, and the cheaper 8088 (8086 with a 8, rather then 16 bit bus interface). And thus begins the x86 era.
A little later intel decides they need a 32 bit CPU, but rather then design a totaly new chip, they just add a bunch of extensions to the 16 bit one. They call this new chip the 386, and it's supposed to revolutionize everything. The chip is totaly backwards compatable with the old 8086's and 286s (so the old register AX becomes EAX, but you can still access the first half as AX).
for a long time (windows 3.1) most software still ran in 16 bit mode, not really utilizing the software. IIRC It wasn't untill windows95 and NT started getting used that people really started to take the full potential of their machines in every day tasks.
Now, this is also around the time of the Pentium and the Pentium pro. The pentium ran both 32 and 16 bit software quickly, but the ppro ran 32 bit software faster, and 16 bit software more slowly (of course, the p-pro core became the pentium II, then the pentium III and ran at much higher clockspeeds, so it eventualy became a non issue, a 1.3ghz pIII is going to crunch 16 code faster then a pentium233mmx no mater what:P)
Now, when you look at what AMD is doing and I guess intel now with their rather odly named Yamhill is taking the orgional design and adding 64bit extensions the way they added 32 bit extensions to the 286. EAX becomes RAX, and you can get at the first half by calling it EAX and the first quarter by calling AX, etc.
Itanium is a totaly diffrent thing, it's a whole new system with x86 support tacked on extra, rather then tacking on 64 bit support to an aging archetecture.
Are you saying Athlon XPs are not backwards fully X86 compatable!?
That's a rather extrodinary claim, and one I'd never heard anything about before. Do you have any sources you could refrence? The only thing google turns up is info on Athlon XP mobos with backwards compatable PCI slots that work with non-ECC DRAM.
Or are you trying to say Intel's chips are not backwards compatable? I find that equaly unbeliaveable
Actualy I have it up on my webserver right now (so a friend could download it). I could just paste in a URL and you could have it. Sigh. But that would put me over my bandwidth cap;p
Actualy the opening scene is of jet and spike busting up a convinece stand up. It was pretty intresting.
A little later, there is a huge explosion on a freeway on mars, and every nearby dies of a mysterious disease. That's the introduction to the actual plot of the film, btw.
I mean, it's all a pretty grey area isn't it? Do they want to dissalow any kind of internal networking in people's homes? That just seems bizzare. And as long as theres some kind of network there will be a way for people to use the internet if one of them is connected (VNC/Xwindows/terminal server/ as well as NAT).
I mean, it's not like having multiple machines behind a firewall is going to cause any extra resources to be consumed, the only reason for them doing this is to sell you back the right to do it. That's a nice bussness model. Ban stuff and then sell you the rights they took away...
If that's the case, then I encourage any Comcast customer who uses a single computer, who has the know-how, to write a script that generates arbitrary originating port numbers on all the traffic. That would rule.
Arn't outgoing port numbers pretty much arbitrary as it is?
1) Well, just about all the 'political' news I hear from down under makes it seem like ignorant rednecks are running the show. Internet and other kinds of censorship, various raciest political parties gaining power, etc
2) Don't get the wrong idea. American is full of rednecks as well, but we have a good system in place to prevent them from fucking things up to bad.
If you have 10,000 people with a 11mbps link to a single machine with a 11mbps link to the next town, that network is going to suck period. You have got to have some kind of scaliablity and all-wireless is just not going to do it. Sure, wireless to everyone's house is nice, but trying to do the whole thing above ground is just dumb, and a huge waste.
The starwars trilogy is 'ok' but that was also made 20/30 years ago. I mean come on. People change and Lucas has definetly changed for the worse (remember, ESB wasn't even directed by him and almost everyone agrees that it's the best of the three).
I mean you don't seriously think SW:TPM was a good movie, do you? Brilliant Filmmaker my ass
Geez man, you should really get out. There are a lot of server-side setups that would do you a lot better, and be a lot easier to setup and use. scoop is good, a lot of PHP things, etc.
I mean slashdot is OK if you want something exactly like slashdot... but for a simple weblog it's totaly overkill.
Do you want objective moderating or do you want moderators bending their choices to what the believe everyone else is doing/going to do?
Isn't it obvious? Just about everything about the way Slashdot works is geared to producing mediocrity. The karma cap, the 20 second rule, the two minute rule the lameness filter, metamod. All of these things are based on 'averages' rather then quality. Malda's moderation system is a huge and complex beast that annoys posters as much as it does stop crap.
Yeh, some good stuff floats to the top, but so do some pretty lame things as well. (like unchecked facts, and bullshit trolls). It's almost like/. has an anti-intellectual focus.
Hell, the only reason I'm here is basically to sig-spam for autopr0n.com.
the kuro5hin moderation systems is far, far supperior to slashdot's. Not only can you see all the moderations done to you, but also everyone can moderate (although only select users can hide posts) and the score is the average rather then the addtive total.
As opposed to the slashdot system which is just hack after hack...
Yes, Australia a land where prostitution is legal, but putting porn on the internet isn't. Real 'revolutionary' there. The fact of the matter is, what these people are doing is revolutionary, but they're driven to it by an unresponsive government (that continues to support a monopoly). And they certainly aren't doing anything outside of the law. In the US we really don't need anything like this desperately because we have at least a reasonable amount of competition (cable vs DSL at least in most places are almost always controlled by separate companies)
I mean, this project (though hardly unoriginal in the AU) is cool, but it really has nothing to do with class warfare or anything like that, just botched government regulation and support of a monopoly.
Anyway, the AU increasingly appears to be a nation ruled by a red-necked majority. Thank god the US has a good constitution to prevent crap like that.
Just like the regular internet, but 100 times as slow!! woohoo!
Seriously though, the 'net in general isn't all that bad if you're willing to pay money for a 'real' connection (say a bussness class DSL or something.) It's just that you wankers want to pay $20/mo for unlimited unrestricted access to the net, and that's just not ever going to happen.
And since you can't get it, your solution is to completly replace the net with something 'wireless' (because wireless is way cooler then wired, dispite the fact that it's also way slower, right?). I'm sure you'll save a ton of money that way.
In this film, Indi battles a legion of unoriginal Slashdot posters all making the exact same joke over and over again in an attempt to garner cheap karma.
Look at my "submit story" history we see the following:
2001-11-21 06:59:10 Javascript cookie vulerablity in Opera (articles,security) (rejected)
2001-11-25 22:09:39 Human embryo cloned (articles,news) (rejected)
2001-12-05 06:14:01 Earth based telescopes now have potential to match (articles,news) (rejected)
And this, this makes it to the front page of Slashdot? WTF!? No, it needs to be expanded:
What The Fuck!?
I mean seriously? This has what to do with what exactly? MS in the post office? God forbid that there should be some commercialism in the US Junkmail distribution system. I mean my god, what's next, the post office advertising on TV? Or maybe they'll raise prices on stamps or something.
I mean really. Slashdot is so inconsistent it, it... Well, I guess we all expect it now, but, god
Heh well I suppose its possible, I mean both Ford and Connery are alive and acting. Although they are both getting pretty damn old, it would be weird to see a 'father and son' team who look about the same age.
And will they still be fighting the Nazi's? Maybe they could be up against Mao's China or something for some Ancient Zhou era artifacts or something. That would be cool. Weird though, but cool.
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So you are saying that AMD's 64-bit chip will be implemented as extensions to their current 32-bit architecture and not a complete redesign?
Yup, AMD's chips are just x86 with expanded registers. quite monsterous really. Same thing as the 386 was.
? Do you expect AMD's new processor to have issues with executing 32-bit code like Intel's PPro did with 16-bit code?
Personaly, I doubt it. the 386 didn't have any trouble with 16 bit code, but the p-pro did because intel knew it was time to move on. I don't think AMD will let up on 32bit support untill everyone moves to 64bit.
Researched and non-insindeary commentary from michael??
Whats going on?
Though I'm sure if I'm wrong, someone will be more than happy to skewer me.
:P
Consider yourself skewered.
You are wayyy wrong
The diffrence between the pentium and the p-pro are rather minute when compared with the diffrence betwee any pentium/486/386/etc chip and the Itanium. To really answer your question, though you kind of have to look at the history of the whole thing.
:P)
To start things off, intel releases the 8086, and the cheaper 8088 (8086 with a 8, rather then 16 bit bus interface). And thus begins the x86 era.
A little later intel decides they need a 32 bit CPU, but rather then design a totaly new chip, they just add a bunch of extensions to the 16 bit one. They call this new chip the 386, and it's supposed to revolutionize everything. The chip is totaly backwards compatable with the old 8086's and 286s (so the old register AX becomes EAX, but you can still access the first half as AX).
for a long time (windows 3.1) most software still ran in 16 bit mode, not really utilizing the software. IIRC It wasn't untill windows95 and NT started getting used that people really started to take the full potential of their machines in every day tasks.
Now, this is also around the time of the Pentium and the Pentium pro. The pentium ran both 32 and 16 bit software quickly, but the ppro ran 32 bit software faster, and 16 bit software more slowly (of course, the p-pro core became the pentium II, then the pentium III and ran at much higher clockspeeds, so it eventualy became a non issue, a 1.3ghz pIII is going to crunch 16 code faster then a pentium233mmx no mater what
Now, when you look at what AMD is doing and I guess intel now with their rather odly named Yamhill is taking the orgional design and adding 64bit extensions the way they added 32 bit extensions to the 286. EAX becomes RAX, and you can get at the first half by calling it EAX and the first quarter by calling AX, etc.
Itanium is a totaly diffrent thing, it's a whole new system with x86 support tacked on extra, rather then tacking on 64 bit support to an aging archetecture.
Hrm, I hope that explains things.
Are you saying Athlon XPs are not backwards fully X86 compatable!?
That's a rather extrodinary claim, and one I'd never heard anything about before. Do you have any sources you could refrence? The only thing google turns up is info on Athlon XP mobos with backwards compatable PCI slots that work with non-ECC DRAM.
Or are you trying to say Intel's chips are not backwards compatable? I find that equaly unbeliaveable
The origional Metropolis edit has been lost entirely.
Actualy I have it up on my webserver right now (so a friend could download it). I could just paste in a URL and you could have it. Sigh. But that would put me over my bandwidth cap ;p
Actualy the opening scene is of jet and spike busting up a convinece stand up. It was pretty intresting.
A little later, there is a huge explosion on a freeway on mars, and every nearby dies of a mysterious disease. That's the introduction to the actual plot of the film, btw.
I mean, it's all a pretty grey area isn't it? Do they want to dissalow any kind of internal networking in people's homes? That just seems bizzare. And as long as theres some kind of network there will be a way for people to use the internet if one of them is connected (VNC/Xwindows/terminal server/ as well as NAT).
I mean, it's not like having multiple machines behind a firewall is going to cause any extra resources to be consumed, the only reason for them doing this is to sell you back the right to do it. That's a nice bussness model. Ban stuff and then sell you the rights they took away...
If that's the case, then I encourage any Comcast customer who uses a single computer, who has the know-how, to write a script that generates arbitrary originating port numbers on all the traffic. That would rule.
Arn't outgoing port numbers pretty much arbitrary as it is?
deflation is the opposite of inflation.
How the is this a troll?
They're called dorms, ed.
1) Well, just about all the 'political' news I hear from down under makes it seem like ignorant rednecks are running the show. Internet and other kinds of censorship, various raciest political parties gaining power, etc
2) Don't get the wrong idea. American is full of rednecks as well, but we have a good system in place to prevent them from fucking things up to bad.
But the slashdoting. The guy can't even afford decent hosting anymore :P
If you have 10,000 people with a 11mbps link to a single machine with a 11mbps link to the next town, that network is going to suck period. You have got to have some kind of scaliablity and all-wireless is just not going to do it. Sure, wireless to everyone's house is nice, but trying to do the whole thing above ground is just dumb, and a huge waste.
The starwars trilogy is 'ok' but that was also made 20/30 years ago. I mean come on. People change and Lucas has definetly changed for the worse (remember, ESB wasn't even directed by him and almost everyone agrees that it's the best of the three).
I mean you don't seriously think SW:TPM was a good movie, do you? Brilliant Filmmaker my ass
Geez man, you should really get out. There are a lot of server-side setups that would do you a lot better, and be a lot easier to setup and use. scoop is good, a lot of PHP things, etc.
I mean slashdot is OK if you want something exactly like slashdot... but for a simple weblog it's totaly overkill.
Do you want objective moderating or do you want moderators bending their choices to what the believe everyone else is doing/going to do?
/. has an anti-intellectual focus.
Isn't it obvious? Just about everything about the way Slashdot works is geared to producing mediocrity. The karma cap, the 20 second rule, the two minute rule the lameness filter, metamod. All of these things are based on 'averages' rather then quality. Malda's moderation system is a huge and complex beast that annoys posters as much as it does stop crap.
Yeh, some good stuff floats to the top, but so do some pretty lame things as well. (like unchecked facts, and bullshit trolls). It's almost like
Hell, the only reason I'm here is basically to sig-spam for autopr0n.com.
the kuro5hin moderation systems is far, far supperior to slashdot's. Not only can you see all the moderations done to you, but also everyone can moderate (although only select users can hide posts) and the score is the average rather then the addtive total.
As opposed to the slashdot system which is just hack after hack...
Are you saying a metropolis is not a wide area? Or do you not understand the whole 'subset/superset' relationship?
Yes, Australia a land where prostitution is legal, but putting porn on the internet isn't. Real 'revolutionary' there. The fact of the matter is, what these people are doing is revolutionary, but they're driven to it by an unresponsive government (that continues to support a monopoly). And they certainly aren't doing anything outside of the law. In the US we really don't need anything like this desperately because we have at least a reasonable amount of competition (cable vs DSL at least in most places are almost always controlled by separate companies)
I mean, this project (though hardly unoriginal in the AU) is cool, but it really has nothing to do with class warfare or anything like that, just botched government regulation and support of a monopoly.
Anyway, the AU increasingly appears to be a nation ruled by a red-necked majority. Thank god the US has a good constitution to prevent crap like that.
Just like the regular internet, but 100 times as slow!! woohoo!
Seriously though, the 'net in general isn't all that bad if you're willing to pay money for a 'real' connection (say a bussness class DSL or something.) It's just that you wankers want to pay $20/mo for unlimited unrestricted access to the net, and that's just not ever going to happen.
And since you can't get it, your solution is to completly replace the net with something 'wireless' (because wireless is way cooler then wired, dispite the fact that it's also way slower, right?). I'm sure you'll save a ton of money that way.
In this film, Indi battles a legion of unoriginal Slashdot posters all making the exact same joke over and over again in an attempt to garner cheap karma.
Just a general rant.
Look at my "submit story" history we see the following:
2001-11-21 06:59:10 Javascript cookie vulerablity in Opera (articles,security) (rejected)
2001-11-25 22:09:39 Human embryo cloned (articles,news) (rejected)
2001-12-05 06:14:01 Earth based telescopes now have potential to match (articles,news) (rejected)
And this, this makes it to the front page of Slashdot? WTF!? No, it needs to be expanded:
What
The
Fuck!?
I mean seriously? This has what to do with what exactly? MS in the post office? God forbid that there should be some commercialism in the US Junkmail distribution system. I mean my god, what's next, the post office advertising on TV? Or maybe they'll raise prices on stamps or something.
I mean really. Slashdot is so inconsistent it, it... Well, I guess we all expect it now, but, god
Ok, now go ahead and mod me down.
Heh well I suppose its possible, I mean both Ford and Connery are alive and acting. Although they are both getting pretty damn old, it would be weird to see a 'father and son' team who look about the same age.
And will they still be fighting the Nazi's? Maybe they could be up against Mao's China or something for some Ancient Zhou era artifacts or something. That would be cool. Weird though, but cool.