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MIT Media Lab Tightens Its Belt

Forbes Magazine has this story about the MIT Media Laboratory's current "burn rate" problem. It seems that the Media Lab is feeling the same big draft at its posterior that dot-com companies felt last year after years of go-go growth and seemingly unlimited funding. The Media Lab is particularly sensitive to this downturn due to its heavy reliance on corporate sponsorship, as well as its fondness for unconventional, even eccentric, research. Items that will no longer receive funding according to a January 5th internal E-mail from the Lab's Executive Director Walter Bender: cellular telephones, first-class air travel, food at internal Lab meetings, and furniture. Other more serious cutbacks for the Lab include layoffs for 29 staff members and reduced funding for students, including salaries for "Undergraduate Research Opportunities" (UROP) positions. The Media Lab had previously paid such positions $8.75 and up in order to remain competitive with industry offers that even not-yet-graduated students were receiving.

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  1. Must Be A Typo... by tomblackwell · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The Media Lab had previously paid such positions $8.75 and up in order to remain competitive with industry offers that even not-yet-graduated students were receiving."

    $8.75 per? Hour? Day? Year?

    Perhaps this submission should have been polished a bit before being unleashed on the unsuspecting (and fact-hungry) public.

    1. Re:Must Be A Typo... by spatrick_123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree it must be a typo - undergrads can make $8.75/hour making copies in the admissions office. No way is that even clos to competitive with the other offers these guys were getting.

    2. Re:Must Be A Typo... by rde · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's see...
      They paid $8.75. And they paid that much to remain competitive. Damn those slashdot editors for daring to think their readers were smart enough to figure it out for themselves.
      Or maybe, just maybe, the phrase '$8.75 per hour' in the story was supposed to be a clue.

    3. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Steel_viper · · Score: 1

      I'd have to assume $8.75 an hour, as 8.75 per day or year wouldn't even be competitive with Taco Bell (~$7).

      Still, it is possible for those who have not graduated to get contracting work with IT companies for upwards of $40 to $50 an hour, but that depends on skill level and (more importantly) having the right connections.

    4. Re:Must Be A Typo... by spatrick_123 · · Score: 1

      But $8.75/hr isn't competitive even with other easily obtainable undergrad jobs, especially if a student has workstudy. Never mind what they could be making working in industry. It may say it in the article, but it really doesn't make sense.

    5. Re:Must Be A Typo... by edmudama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was at MIT in the 90s the campus minimum wage was about $7.85 or so. This number is dictated by the need that a 15hour/week need-based work study program cover some fixed percentage of tuition, room, and board.

      The AI lab and Media lab were usually paying in the $8.50-9 range, which back in 92 before the boom we thought was a decent salary.

      Then of course we took one look at off-campus jobs, as the boom started, and realized we could consult for $50/hr as freshmen to some mom-and-pop business that wanted to connect to that internet thing.

      eric

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    6. Re:Must Be A Typo... by eples · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that Forbes magazine intentionally misrepresented researchers' compensation in order to draw attention to the fact that their research sucked?

      Cahones.

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    7. Re:Must Be A Typo... by MikeyLikesIt! · · Score: 1
      $8.75 per? Hour? Day? Year?

      RTFA!

      Starting salaries for paid undergraduate researchers will remain the same--generally about $8.75 an hour. But those students can receive raises, and Bender wrote that the top range of the pay scale could decrease 10% to 20%.
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    8. Re:Must Be A Typo... by SkewlD00d · · Score: 1

      I'm making $9/hr in the Network Security lab here at (a UC skewl), I feel way underpaid.

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    9. Re:Must Be A Typo... by plam · · Score: 2, Informative
      $8.75 is the standard pay for a Undergrad Research
      Opportunities Program appointment at MIT. It's always seemed
      rather low to me. If you have a professor paying for your UROP appointment,
      then he can give you more money, and I think a lot of profs will do that.



      Keep in mind that this is undergrad student pay, and can be done during
      the term. Plus you get to work with researchers, etc etc.

    10. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sucks is that you cannot be paid for undergraduate thesis (or so I was told). Therefore, keep it registered as urop as long as possible!

    11. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Kalabajoui · · Score: 1

      Here in NE Ohio $8.75 hourly may be a bit more than Taco Bell pays, but it's right in the ballpark for working as an unskilled laborer in a plastics factory.

    12. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >$8.75 per? Hour? Day? Year?
      RTFA!


      GAFL! It's not that anyone can't work out what it actually meant, but it still makes no sense the way it was written there.

    13. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if I wanted to figure out exactly what it meant, or thought that it was a slightly weird figure as presented, I could certainly have worked out that it was $8.75 per hour. Or guessed it.

      But still, the summary says "$8.75 and up". That sounds like a one-time payout to me. I shouldn't have to do detective work just to translate the articles into something that makes sense.

    14. Re:Must Be A Typo... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      But $8.75/hr isn't competitive even with other easily obtainable undergrad jobs, especially if a student has workstudy.

      I believe that there is also some reduction in fees which is actually far more valuable.

      The main reason the students do UROPs however is that it is a good way to get experience with a research group if you want to do a Masters or Doctorate.

      OK so you might get paid as much sorting mail or the like, but doing a Media Lab UROP looks much better on your CV.

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  2. Wow. by spatrick_123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    First class cross country airfare - $2000.

    Limo to and from the airport - $400.

    Building designed by I.M. Pei - $4,000,000.

    Inventing the "smart" potholder - priceless

    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frank Gehry designed the upcoming Stata Center, not I.M. Pei.

  3. OH NO! by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does that mean no more bathroom server?

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    1. Re:OH NO! by plam · · Score: 1
      Does that mean no more bathroom server?
      Of course not! The bathroom server is run by undergrad students paying $26k tuition per year, plus $3300 in rent for Random House -- but that rent does include the internet connection.
    2. Re:OH NO! by krlynch · · Score: 3, Funny

      No ... but it might mean less clean laundry [mit.edu] (Same dorm.... gosh, living there was fun :-)

    3. Re:OH NO! by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Loop L has been occupied for 34 min Still going at it. What ever "it" is.

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    4. Re:OH NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's a co-ed bathroom, and the previous user was female, leaving the seat in the horizontal position after takeoff.

  4. $8.75 by eples · · Score: 2, Informative


    Assuming that is per hour - it is still a paltry sum.

    I believe even Taco Bell pays it slaves $9/hr.

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    1. Re:$8.75 by eples · · Score: 1

      it is per hour. i went back to actually read the article and it said so :)

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    2. Re:$8.75 by madrouter · · Score: 0

      He should be so lucky,
      I do computer repair and systems administration for Purdue University, and my pay rate is $7.25 an hour.

    3. Re:$8.75 by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work as a cashier at a grocery store. I get paid $9.70/hr with time and a half on Sundays and Holidays. I also get 3 weeks of paid vacation per year and access to one of the best retirement plans available. Keep in mind that I'm 20 and this is part time.

      $8.75/hr is NOT a lot to be making for that kind of work...

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    4. Re:$8.75 by IPFreely · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's not about the amount.
      These are students. Their primary concern is education and graduation. Along with that, they get (often as a part of financial aid) on campus or school related jobs.
      The media lab offers work that is in a related field, the opportunity to see cutting edge research up close, the opportunity to work with the best researchers and learn how it's done. That is what they are mostly getting. that's why it is called Undergraduate Research Opportunities. Oh and by the way, they also get a little cash on the side.

      How many of you have turned down more money to get a job that is more fun, in a more interesting area, or has better environment? I have. If these students want more money, they can quit school and get super wage jobs. That's not why they are there.

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    5. Re:$8.75 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like the students are asking for more money. It's the researchers who want to pay more money in order to encourage students to work with them. It has nothing at all to do with "why students are there" and everything to do with simple supply and demand. But you wouldn't realize that, you malodorous vomitus mass.

    6. Re:$8.75 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd much rather be paid $8.75 for part time student work to work at this lab, not only for the interesting work, but having that on the ol' resume would be like gold when you finally left.

      You get paid $9.70, and have nothing for your resume...except maybe being HEAD cashier. Woo hoo!

    7. Re:$8.75 by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      I know, I know. I'm just trying to put things into perspective here. I'm making more for being a damn CASHIER. There's something wrong with that.

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    8. Re:$8.75 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm, since you work as a cashier I assume you have a Ph.D. rather than an M.D., Dr. Eldarion. :-)

    9. Re:$8.75 by arkanes · · Score: 2

      Depends on where you live. Here in CT, retails stores have to offer 8-10 an hour just to get people in the door. In Northern CA, you have to be a manager to be making more than minumum wage.

    10. Re:$8.75 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but you cannot slack off the whole day reading slashdot.

    11. Re:$8.75 by KupekKupoppo · · Score: 1

      Here at Oregon State, I make the student cap on wages--$8.89. There are a few ways around it, but that's the most you can make.

      Minimum wage is something like $6.50 now.

      $8.89 is great. It's just enough to where I can't get free health care, but just too little to be able to pay for my own.

  5. $8.75? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where do I sign up?

  6. Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Informative

    $8.75 per hour huh? To some of the brightest minds in the world? I say cut the stupid first class travel, cut the nice office equipment, but save that salary. These "kids" are cutting edge innovators.

    Imagine if something like this had happened to the folks at Bell Labs? Even with all the layoffs Lucent had, business there went on pretty much as usual. Throughout history, the true innovators were rewarded for their knowledge, not penalized for something they didn't really have anything to do with. Poor spending is poor spending, but save the salaries...

    I expect to hear from people on my innovators of history part, but bear in mind I said most....

    thanks

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    1. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by eples · · Score: 2


      I agree entirely. While finishing up my CS degree, my friends and I all had internships with companies for between $15 and $20/hr.

      We didn't even have to go to MIT :)

      Just another case where there are a few people sitting at the top reaping the benefits of hard work done by others whom they care very little about.

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    2. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 1

      I expect to hear from people on my innovators of history part, but bear in mind I said most....

      You didn't say "most".

    3. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

      "You didn't say "most"."

      Actually, I did, but those damned pains I keep getting from touching my mouse caused me to forget to write it down.

      thanks for pointing that out for me though ;-)

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    4. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, but it's short sighted to care what you get paid as an intern. The long term economics of having the phrase "MIT Media Lab" on your C.V. far outweighs the difference between $5.15 and hour and $20 and hour over the course of an internship.

    5. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, there was a time when doing science was a profession, not a commodity. When it was a profession, the "love of the work" was more important to the researchers than the salary, so the administrators accommodated them by giving them relatively low pay. That remedy eventually reached down to the grad student and postdoc levels, and it is what it is today.

    6. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These "kids" are cutting edge innovators.

      No, they're "kids". The cutting edge innovators are the professors and research fellows.

    7. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who says this thing is not happening now @ the Labs? Open your eyes an ask around! It's much, much worse.

    8. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      WTF does CV stand for? That's a New England term for resume, right?

    9. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by inburito · · Score: 2

      Curriculum vitale.. life's curriculum or something.. yeah it's a resume for you north americans..

    10. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by nigelc · · Score: 1

      curriculum vitae is Latin. Means something like "the race of my life" and is used in England where resume is used in the US.

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    11. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by sean23007 · · Score: 1

      Throughout history, the true innovators were rewarded for their knowledge, not penalized for something they didn't really have anything to do with. Poor spending is poor spending, but save the salaries...

      I expect to hear from people on my innovators of history part, but bear in mind I said most....


      Ummm, you didn't say most, you said true.

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    12. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      Actually we use CV in the US too. You just have to be a card carrying member of the wine and cheese crowd to get away with it. Seriously though, anything business related uses resume whereas the scientific community seems to use CV.

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    13. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      I've had New England-based (spec. Boston area) tech recruiters use "CV" when asking for my resume.

    14. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Priam · · Score: 1

      This attitude irks me to no end. I am in college right now; one of my biggest reasons for choosing the one I did was the distinct lack of this damaging attitude. My university has one of the highest percentages of undergrads involved in research. Even freshmen! No one is excluded simply because they are "just a kid". In the (paraphrased) words of one professor here: "This university contains some of the brightest minds in the country! Why in the world wouldn't we want students involved in research?"

    15. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what college might that be?

    16. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by nomadic · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with students being involved in research; indeed they should be, that's one of the reasons they go to college. But the MIT Media Lab attracts some of the best people in their individual fields, and to imply that it's the students who drive the research there detracts from the accomplishments of the professional scientists who work there.

    17. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Priam · · Score: 1

      I'm a junior at Washington University in St. Louis. (No, it's not in any of the places you'd expect a university of that name to exist in...) I tried to look up the exact statistics, but couldn't find them. I do know that they like to tell incoming freshmen what an unusual number of research opportunities there are (although the number may be more 'unusual' within the engineering school than in the school as a whole). If you want to do research, it's as easy as walking up to a professor and asking him/her. You can pretty much always get class credit, and you can usually get paid (although not both... wouldn't that be nice... :) ).

    18. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Priam · · Score: 1

      I fully agree, however: I don't think the original poster meant to imply that the students drive the research more than the professors, only to say that the salaries shouldn't be cut. ($8.75 is not much -- I make more than that as a teaching assistant/grader). Students involved in research are bright and innovative, and to refer to them as "just kids" is what offended me.

    19. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by emmons · · Score: 1

      It's nearly the same story here at the University of Wisconsin. Nearly all of the undergraduate honors programs REQUIRE research, and some of the undergrad majors. It's pretty sweet.

      On a related note: does anybody else go to a university where lab techs who clean glassware and mix chemicals for grad students are paid $8/hr?

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    20. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      these are undergrads you fucking moron! research assistants working for on campus jobs. if you've ever been to a university you would understand this!

    21. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would guess that you have never been to M.I.T.; they have some pretty remarkable undergraduates.
      The delta between the professors and the undergraduates is a lot less than at a lot of places.

    22. Re:Cut everything else back, but save the salaries by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      $8.75 per hour huh? To some of the brightest minds in the world? I say cut the stupid first class travel, cut the nice office equipment, but save that salary. These "kids" are cutting edge innovators.

      The problem is that the university administration charges an utterly ludicrous overhead. The student gets $8.75 an hour, the administration deducts $35 an hour from the grant.

      So even though the Media lab is 'loosing' money, MIT is still raking in cash hand over fist.

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  7. And this is news exactly how? by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 0, Troll

    Wow, a news story about an institute cutting back on things. This is new, exciting news. Yea.

    I just don't see the angle. Is it good just because it's MIT? I'm sorta tired of these "super schools" getting so much attention. If this was DePauw University cutting back, would it get posted on /.?

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    1. Re:And this is news exactly how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And DePauw has done how much cutting-edge research? Or Generally Cool Shit? Hmm ...

    2. Re:And this is news exactly how? by rmgrotkierii · · Score: 0

      MIT is where the FSF, GNU, and RMS are from. So of course it's gonna get press from /.. OTOH if it was another school, it would of been rejected. ;-)

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    3. Re:And this is news exactly how? by ReluctantBadger · · Score: 0

      Hear hear. Just because a bunch of people played with PDPs and they decorate their dome with some ornament every year does not make it news for nerds every time someone takes a dump at MIT.

      Just goes to prove that Slashdot is, and always will be, a student "feel good" notice board, even if they are cutting salaries.

      Ah HAHAHAHAH!!! HAHAHAH!!! I didn't go to uni, and I'm on £68,000 per year + bonus at 22 because I know Exchange 2000 inside out!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    4. Re:And this is news exactly how? by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 1

      Glad to see a fellow who's willing to speak their mind, and not be a karma wh0re ;)

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    5. Re:And this is news exactly how? by ReluctantBadger · · Score: 0

      And you sir, are a scholar and a gentlemen.

      I thank you.

    6. Re:And this is news exactly how? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      because I know Exchange 2000 inside out!!!


      So that would be what, hcxEegna 0200?

    7. Re:And this is news exactly how? by ReluctantBadger · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. In fact, doing just that was one of the key questions in the MCSE. I got the rest of the points by entering my candidate number correctly and hitting enter. But hey, I'm not complaining.

    8. Re:And this is news exactly how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For your sake. I hope you are ready for the Next Big Thing when excahnge isn't it anymore.

    9. Re:And this is news exactly how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%
      I'm currently in college and I don't give a fuck what MIT does.

  8. Such Difficult Cuts by The+Gardener · · Score: 2, Troll

    Its legions of techies have eagerly spent money donated by corporate sponsors since the lab opened its doors in 1985. The money--an annual budget of about $40 million--went not only to sometimes wild ideas like "smart" potholders, dice, chairs and animal building blocks, but also apparently to fund some dot-com-style largesse. . . . won't be paid for out of the laboratory till: cell phones, limos, first-class flights and furniture. (It's not clear whether this applies to new chairs and couches that "think.")

    Oh such brutal cuts. And less than two years after the private sector had to cut such frivolities as . . . everything. I know my company sympathizes with them.

    The Gardener

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    1. Re:Such Difficult Cuts by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Oh such brutal cuts. And less than two years after the private sector had to cut such frivolities as . . . everything. I know my company sympathizes with them.

      You are absolutely correct. No academic I knwo would spend money flying first class out of their research budget (altho' they will happily accept it if a company wants to fly them in as a speaker).

      The Media Lab has coasted on its reputation for a long time, and has produced a lot of column inches in Wired for Negroponte, but let's face it, not much else. Any undergraduate knows the basic law of economics, you can't have your cake and eat it.

  9. Lego chairs... by Chagatai · · Score: 4, Funny
    I like this combination of quotes from the article:

    Among the things Bender says won't be paid for out of the laboratory till: cell phones, limos, first-class flights and furniture.

    and...

    But why is the Lab unhealthy in the first place? Unlike other academic institutions at MIT and elsewhere, the Media Lab gets the bulk of its money from corporate donors. Among them: IBM, Intel, Gillette, ChevronTexaco and LEGO .

    Damn, so now all those MIT researchers will be forced to build their own Lego chairs and tables? Sounds like the kind of perfect ergonomic environment we all need. Don't like the height of the table? Just snap off the legs and away you go.

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    1. Re:Lego chairs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got funding from Lego for developing, among other things, Lego Mindstorms. Lego robots, not furniture.

  10. Reaction from a UROPer by aeames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked at the media lab as a freshman MIT EECS student last spring for $8 an hour. My group was decked out with donated 18.1 inch LCDs, food at meetings and other perks. I can't imagine all the things professors and grad students got to play around with. All good things have to come to an end, the environment there through the dot-com boom was definitely too good to be true.

    1. Re:Reaction from a UROPer by nonsense66 · · Score: 1

      Damn, and I was just looking into getting a UROP at the Media Lab. Maybe I better accept the offer to be a TA for 6.186 next January.

  11. Sad and yet not by cadfael · · Score: 2, Informative

    Having used many of the papers and ideas that came out of media lab as jumping off points for my own research, any cut back in their research will impact many others outside their doors. However, the loss of perks is just aligning them with the rest of the world.

    The scariest part is the layoff of the staff. I hope that these weren't specifically research assistants (instead of admin staff). RA's (often unrecognized for their efforts) usually complete the necessary but inglorious tasks that really help get research done.

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  12. This should keep them focused... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sympathetic to edu's that want a free ride for all sorts of worthless research. It's especially bad when they start consorting with companies for all sort of bennies that have nothing to do with *meaningful* research. This not only diverts them from more meaningful activity, but it propagates the sort of economic bloat that gets passed on to consumers and/or taxpayers, directly and indirectly.

    Maybe we'll start seeing some more great things from MIT (and other schools) as the economy forces them to focus on their core goals again.

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    1. Re:This should keep them focused... by spellcheckur · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'm not sympathetic to edu's that want a free ride for all sorts of worthless research.

      It's tragic that a significant portion of the private sector takes this kind of a stance. The Media Lab, in it's day, was a unique place where sometimes extremely disparate companies were able to work together, share ideas, and advance not only their businesses, but technology in a much more significant way than they would have separately.

      What happens when Intel sits down with Lego and some creative, bright students? Lego gets Mindstorms... Intel gets an entirely new product line. This was the place where corporate R&D hit the academic cutting edge. It brought you HDTV, Mindstorms, Electronic Ink (which is turning very quickly into printable transistors). It's working on building automation with cooperation from both appliance companies and building companies. MEMS, Education, Agents, News Delivery... Hell, students there even had a part in remeasuring Mt. Everest. Worthless indeed.

      As for "frivolous perks," the professors at the lab get paid academic salaries. Many of them, who consult with their sponsors as a condition of their sponsorship contracts, travel 150-200k miles /year. Have you tried logging that much travel in coach, without a cell phone?

      Yes, there are significant parts of the Media Lab designed to make it "plush" for both sponsors and researchers, but you don't attract some of the brightest and most creative people on the planet by giving them a cinder block office $5.25 an hour.

    2. Re:This should keep them focused... by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Being a graduate of a public university that, like many, was in a constant state of budget crisis, I'm even less sympathetic.

    3. Re:This should keep them focused... by snarkh · · Score: 1
      But what do you mean by "meaningful" activity? Is it something immediately useful? Is fundamental research "meaningful"? In fact, in my view, the problem is that their research seems superficial.

      I am not all that sympathetic to them either. I have never heard of university professors flying first class. Everyone I know flies economy to conferences, etc. Maybe, some people would fly business class (esp. in professional schools). I don't know anyone in academia who gets cell phones either. Doctors at the hospitals usually get pagers.

    4. Re:This should keep them focused... by Mr.+Frilly · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, the Media Lab was a unique place, but even during my time at MIT (4 years ago already), it was considered an embarrassment by the majority of the MIT community. This is the place that could suck down $40 million a year and have only Lego Mindstorms to show off after a decade of work by the entire laboratory. This is the place that would hire fashion models to wear their wearable computer crap for the dog and pony shows they'd run to try to suck more money out of the industry suits. This is the place that would do non-novel, non-useful research as long as it looked cool and they could show it off to their corporate sponsors.

      The majority of the research that was done at the Media Lab belonged in industry, and was of no academic significance (electronic ink being on of the few counter examples). The only real reason it was tolerated at MIT was 'cause the Media Lab brought in its own money (and a lot of it).

      And no, HDTV was not created by the Media Lab, the EE department (Prof. Lim) worked on that.

    5. Re:This should keep them focused... by steve_l · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I always felt it spent too much of (our, I work for a sponsor) cash on frivolousness, and as someone who works at a corporate R&D lab, beleive me I can recognise a rigged demo when I see one.

      The lego and the learning was the best stuff to make it out there -why did we have to pay for things like that wierd bloke with the webcam on his head, or Negroponte's endless travels to ask us for more money. Given we sponsors travel in coach and use our own cellphones, it is irritating to see the academics frittering away our stuff. That and buying computers from vendors like Dell who dont give them any money on the grounds they are cheaper: of course they are cheaper -they dont waste money on MIT.

      I think this will give the group focus. If it doesnt, they will go the way of Interval Research

      -steve

    6. Re:This should keep them focused... by ty_kramer · · Score: 1

      The professors aren't real bright if they're traveling 150-200k miles per year in coach. At that mileage rate, most frequent flyer programs will upgrade them for free to First Class the majority of the time.

  13. Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The recent layoffs and cutbacks were spurred by the discovery that the Media Lab didn't have $6 or $7 million in the coffers, but were rather that much in the red.

    Let me say that again: instead of a surplus of several million US dollars, they had a similar deficit. I can't fathom how anyone keeping the books -- even the most incompetent of accountants -- could make such a mistake. But it was made, and it's what sparked this whole trimming-of-the-fat. Worst bit is that some regular employees (not grad students, not UROPs) are having their hours cut, while the UROPs -- many of whom do nothing but sit on their asses all day long -- can work full weeks.

    Let's hope some generous sponsor(s) will cough up the cash to get them back on track and not disrupt their research too much.

    1. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by smertens · · Score: 4, Funny

      Arthur Andersen strikes again?

    2. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by govtcheez · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remind you Office Space?

      "Dammit! I always miss some mundane detail!"

    3. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by core10k · · Score: 0

      Probably. Anderson is known as the company killer, and I don't just mean Enron ^.^ I suspect that the real "service" that Arthur Anderson provides is destroying companies - god knows there must be a thousand different ways to profit when you KNOW your company is going to crash and burn.

    4. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Let's hope some generous sponsor(s) will cough up the cash to get them back on track and not disrupt their research too much.
      Why do they deserve it?? They were already given a chance and they FAILED. Any money given to them could be better spent somewhere else. Give the money to an institution that proves its worth instead of supporting this irresponsibly run playground.
    5. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      I have attended recent seminars at MIT sponsored by the Industrial Liaison program, and have found the work Media Lab is doing to be quite good. In fact, I'm disappointed that the 2001 MIT Information Technology Conference was given nary a mention in Slashdot. And especially the Media Lab presentations given there.

      Back to the point, programs like Media Lab's Digital Nations eDevelopment are worth every penny spent. Go read about their research before you spout such drivel.

    6. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm one of the people at the Media Lab that was laid off.
      The above post is right on target- the only reason there are cutbacks, from the UROP pay to the furniture and cellphone freeze, is becuause of a huge accounting mistake. Nothing to do with the economy, nothing to do with sponsors or anything else that the head of the Lab would like you to believe. IT'S ALL DUE TO FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT. That's it. End of story. All this gloating about the Media Lab finally getting to taste the pain and suffering of the rest of the world is totally missing the point.

    7. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately it is the nature of the mob to believe whatever it wants to believe.

    8. Re:Not to mention bad bookkeeping. by Zzz · · Score: 1

      Enron's accountants?

  14. I'm surprised it took this long... by technopinion · · Score: 1

    I mean it's been what, only about 2 years since just about every tech company has had to start cutting back. They should count themselves lucky they still get any corporate sponsorship at all.
    It amazes me that companies cut jobs, but still give huge amounts of money to "media labs" and such, but I'm glad they do (although I wouldn't be glad if I was one of those that had my job cut).
    There has to be some responsibility somewhere for how the money is spent, and if it means the employees/students can't take advantage of it with free meals and first-class flights, so be it.
    $8.75 though, if that's per hour, is a pretty damn low rate for just about any job.

  15. Hubris by kenneth_martens · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    The MIT Media Lab has apparently always aimed a little high--for example, the article states that their building was designed by I.M. Pei. The world's most famous architect? For a Media Lab? It seems they could spend their money more frugally. They may be hurting from the dot-com bust and the economic slowdown, but that's to be expected--everyone is hurting. The MIT Media Lab is hurting more because they've spent money unwisely in the past.

    Of course, I could be completely and utterly wrong.

    1. Re:Hubris by marauder404 · · Score: 1

      I.M. Pei was an MIT grad. You can bet it was done at a *substantial* discount or, better yet, for FREE. That's not the only building he did for MIT, either.

    2. Re:Hubris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he's good, but not exactly the "world's greatest architect".

      -Gabe

    3. Re:Hubris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      the article states that their building was designed by I.M. Pei.

      Ah yes, that building is indeed unique on campus. Some of us like to call it the Pei Toilet.

    4. Re:Hubris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can bet not. If my university called wanting shit for cheap, I'd say "Fuck you...I learned well enough the value of ass raping people."

      $50 a month for the rest of my fucking life in exchange for some diploma is not a decent trade. So no, don't assume that there is some discount.

    5. Re:Hubris by steve_l · · Score: 1

      Stewart Brandt criticises the building a lot in How Buildings Learn, well worth a read, especially given he wrote "the media lab" which went on about how wonderful it was.

      BTW, I thought the article was wrong: the top floors of the big empty space in the middle were filled in, though they didnt mention the worst lifts you could possibly put in a building, which didnt make you want to go up there.

  16. Students working for free? by JoshMKiV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand they had to offer the $$$ to keep people from going elsewhere. But I remember when students used to do this for free, and loved it. This is probably the most fun you will ever have, and you will look back on those years fondly. I'd love to go back and play with the toys we had in robot and VR lab.

    Memories of early Nintendo Powerglove hacking... Mmmmm.

    1. Re:Students working for free? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure of the situation in the U.S. but in Canada the tuition rates are very high. They are in essence working for "free" as the $8.75/hr is probably just around the amount needed to get them through the semester, it would be pointless to work for too low a wage, even if you are learning, that wouldn't allow you to continue school.

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    2. Re:Students working for free? by MadAhab · · Score: 1

      Tuition rates are sky-high in the US. However, schools like Harvard and MIT have enough cash that financial aid is available if you get in. No one will drop out of school on account of lowering these wages. Students from less well-off families will, however, eat in the dining hall more, drink even cheaper beer, and pirate more software than previously. (kidding on that last one, honest)

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  17. The problem with the media lab by nesneros · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In every talk I've attended given by Media Lab personnel, I've been given a very distinct impression that its home to a large number of extremely intelligent people who like to sit around a think a lot, and aren't particularly motivated to doing much actual hands-on research. This is both a good and bad thing on the whole, but when times get tight, the doers are more likely to survive than the thinkers.

    On another note, does anyone think they'll need to tighten their lego budget?

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    1. Re:The problem with the media lab by Dlark · · Score: 1

      Hullo! I (dated impression) was thinking that the one person who needed to go was the odd lady... she was a kind of Theological/Psychological quack...who focused herself on the "expression" eyes thingie?! That robot?! Seemed to me (At her talk!) that she was skumming on top of the research, cuddling up to soft unsciences. Really, I hope she wasn't on MIT's payroll in the first place. This post needs research! (I'm lazy!)

    2. Re:The problem with the media lab by Themis · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, and how many of those talks were given by grad students? In my experience, most (definitely not all) of the grad students are the hard workers who do your actual hands-on research.

      Furthermore, while it may be true that the Media Lab is more frivolous than, say, LCS, it still outputs some truly great things - such as, as others have pointed out, LEGO Mindstorms. For more, check out their patents list.

      Of course, there are the ideas that are... well, harebrained. The "smart" oven mitt, for example, that tells you if an object you touch is hot. Let me see, I'll go put on my oven mitt to take something out of a heated oven... well goddamn, it's hot. Better not touch it.

      Maybe some ideas are better left as ideas. :)

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      -Themis
  18. Literacy on /. by maggard · · Score: 1
    Nine comments posted and five are about the $8.75 and if it is hourly. If these same folks had read the article (which does explain this) instead of posting about their confusion we'd have all been spared their village idiocy.

    Mod this however you want; I'm tired of the post-from-the-hip / can't-be-bothered-to-read-the-links / explain-to-me-the-nouns / can't-use-a-search-engine droolers.

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    1. Re:Literacy on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, the summary said "paid $8.75". Once. Not hourly.

      Do you really think these people were actually stupid enough not to be able to work out what it meant? Some of them were making a joke that $9 for unlimited research is ridiculous, others were complaining about summaries that don't make good English sense. Few of them were doing it with the expectation that it would spoonfeed them the answer to their crippling massive confusion over the meaning.

      Now, back to the far less amusing arguments about financial mismanagement...

  19. Reality by john82 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Its great that MIT is a bastion of engineering and research. Its also apparent that, like many other schools of this ilk, they neglect reality.

    There is a budget. And its not infinite. A lesson that someone should have explained before we launched into the dot-com idiocy in the first place. I view the situation at the Media Lab as another opportunity to learn.

    1. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, it's not the engineers who are in charge of keeping the books. Perhaps next you will complain about the way the custodial staff chooses to apply physical principles in their cleaning work.

  20. competitive? by Giant+Killer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Media Lab had previously paid such positions $8.75 and up in order to remain competitive with industry offers that even not-yet-graduated students were receiving.


    give me a break. these students who work at the media lab could make quite a bit more than $8.75 an hour in pretty much any field in existance. MIT pays a minimum wage on campus of $8 for undergrads. i suspect that this is the 'industry' that they are trying to remain competitive with.

    but, then again, there is little chance that these students are there to cash in on the huge salary. i am currently an undergraduate assistant for a january class at mit (2.670) where students make a working stirling engine, and learn enough solidworks to make a working assembly of the engine. i could easily spend this time during january and work a real job solid modelling and make at least 5 times the amount.

    but i like teaching. its not about the money.
    1. Re:competitive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > these students who work at the media lab could
      > make quite a bit more than $8.75 an hour in
      > pretty much any field in existance

      Yes, they could be ski instructors in Colorado and make that much...but they would have their names on papers with Minsky and the other illuminati, digerati and literati at MIT.

  21. MIT researchers experimenting with drugs! by eples · · Score: 5, Funny


    The Media Lab still has a place, but it may, during the economic downturn, see itself overshadowed by more concrete research--by tangible products like drugs.

    Pass the bowl, I need to do some "tangible research"...

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    I'm a 2000 man.
    1. Re:MIT researchers experimenting with drugs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. Pass to the RIGHT, Minami-san. You're not in Japan any more.

  22. Hey big spender! by babbage · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Media Lab had previously paid such positions $8.75 and up in order to remain competitive with industry offers that even not-yet-graduated students were receiving.

    It's probably a typo (on Slashdot? Nooo....), but $8.75 an hour is pretty close to the minimum wage here in Massachusetts. Is that actually what was meant here? If so, no wonder they were having staff problems :)

    1. Re:Hey big spender! by Corgha · · Score: 2

      Well, the Forbes article says $8.75 an hour.

      Maybe the Harvard students in the Living Wage campaign ought to march down the street and stage a sit-in at the MIT Media Lab. :)

    2. Re:Hey big spender! by Bullschmidt · · Score: 2

      $8.75 is completely accurate. Pretty sad wage if you ask me. People work at the media lab because it tends to have a more flexible schedule, and provides opportunities for masters work later.

      --
      "Of all days, the day on which one has not laughed is the most surely the one wasted." -Sebastian Roch Nicol
    3. Re:Hey big spender! by deanj · · Score: 2

      So, if you could pick only one, which would you pick? $8.75 as a MIT Media Lab student (pretty damn good for the old resume when you graduate), or $15 as a grocery store bagger (and nothing for the resume when you graduate)?

    4. Re:Hey big spender! by babbage · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Oh Media Lab, no question, but it's not always an easy choice. Cambridge is a pretty expensive city to live in, and choosing to take a low paying job can be an indulgence that not everyone can afford.

      I mean, I myself am right now trying very hard to get a job at another Boston area university, and while I'm really looking forward to it, it's going to be a pretty significant paycut from the job I got laid off from last fall. I'm choosing to go for it because my fiance also works, and between us we think we'll be able to cover the bills & mortgage, put a little aside, and not have to tighten our belts that badly.

      But not everyone can do that. Sometimes it can come to a choice between an intellectually stimulating but low paying job, or a more monotonous one that will be able to pay the bills, and you can't have a say in the matter. (For an example, take a look at the protests over Harvard employees wanting to get a better "living wage" over the past few months.) It's unfortunate that the Media Lab effectively imposes this decision on their employees, and I wouldn't be surprised if their attrition rate is pretty high as a result of it.

    5. Re:Hey big spender! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Slashdotters are starting to show the insular world they live in.

      1. While the minimum wage in Massachusetts is higher than the national average, it is not anywhere near $8.75/hour. If you search the Commenwealth's web site, you will find it is $6.75/hour.

      2. Baggers at grocery stores make nowhere near $15/hour! Do the math; that is $31,200/year. In the real world, you don't get paid that much for a job that can be done by teenagers after school.

      UROPs are part-time jobs that allow students to get research experience and some pocket money. They aren't supposed to be something you are going to live off of.

    6. Re:Hey big spender! by vrichard · · Score: 1

      While I agree that Cambridge is an expensive place to live and you sometimes need to take a less interesting job in order to make ends meet, this is not the case here. The $8.75/hour quoted in the article is for UROP positions. UROP stands for Undergraduate Research OPportunity. You must be an enrolled, undergrad at MIT to qualify for the position. While I was there, you could not work more than 20 hours/week at a UROP. Therefore, it is highly unlikely you are using this as a job to pay the rent.

      "Staff" positions (post-docs, researchers, professors, etc.) get paid more than this. Granted, the wage is below the industry average, but it is a lot more than $8.75/hour.

    7. Re:Hey big spender! by Silver222 · · Score: 1
      Do the math; that is $31,200/year. In the real world, you don't get paid that much for a job that can be done by teenagers after school.

      Oh really? Explain to me why I've seen W2 forms from a mail carrier that say "51,083" on them. You can make a ton of money by doing something a monkey could do.

      I'm not sure what the grocery store baggers make. They do get those snappy uniforms though...

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      "It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times." Bill Hicks
    8. Re:Hey big spender! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to argue about how difficult it is/is not to be a mail carrier. However, it is actually pretty difficult to become one. There are a series of tests you must pass. You also must get a certain number of "points" for being a Veteran of the US Armed Forces, etc.

      The fact is that most Slashdotters would be turned down if they applied to be a mail carrier.

    9. Re:Hey big spender! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Explain to me why I've seen W2 forms from a mail carrier that say "51,083" on them.

      Can you say "Union"?

    10. Re:Hey big spender! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez, I didn't realise that postal workers had to be military-trained.

      It probably explains those coded messages mine keeps leaving though...

  23. Media Blab by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First Class tix, cell phones...all justifiable because so much irreplaceable work has come out of the Media Lab. Hold on, let me think of some...uhhhh...ummmmm...I know, lots of articles about themselves in Wired!

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    1. Re:Media Blab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well 1st class might be slightly useful if you have to relax before giving a conference talk or want to read some papers.

  24. A Symbol of Elegance and Waste by WindowsTwinkee · · Score: 3, Funny


    From the beginning, the Media Lab was a monument to technical optimism--or maybe hubris. Its very building, designed by MIT alum and world-famous architect I.M. Pei, was a symbol of elegance and waste. On the outside, its tiled surface resembles nothing so much as a bathroom.

    But inside, it is almost entirely empty, with a giant courtyard stretching up through its center--just because it looked cool. Maybe if that space had been filled with offices, the Lab wouldn't be spending money constructing a new building next door. And perhaps without the expense of the new building, the Lab wouldn't need to lay off staff now. At one point, Bender says he actually suggested filling some of the atrium -- which is four stories high -- with office space instead of moving staff out of the building. MIT nixed the idea.

    (quoted directly from the article)

    Just like the Internet bubble - spiffy on the outside, empty and nearly useless within.

    1. Re:A Symbol of Elegance and Waste by spellcheckur · · Score: 1
      On the outside, its tiled surface resembles nothing so much as a bathroom.

      Lovingly referred to as the "Pei Toilet."

    2. Re:A Symbol of Elegance and Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the author says re: new construction costs is bullshit. Money for new construction comes from alumni donations and is totally disconnected from grants from government or corporations (which fund equipment and wages).

      The Media Lab never spent beyond its means -- its funding source was large corporations, which made many mutually beneficial partnerships with the Media Lab through the last decade.

      However, all businesses are cutting costs due to the recession. Thus they give less money to the Media Lab, and the Media Lab has less money to spend.

      Other research departments do not have to cut back as much because their principal source of funding is government grants. Also most lab groups are smaller (a dozen grad students, postdocs, plus a few professors or so) and so if a group gets less money, it's not considered newsworthy.

  25. When I was your age... by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Items that will no longer receive funding ...: furniture

    "Son, when I was your age, I had to walk 8 miles to school... in the snow... with no shoes... uphill... in both directions. We didn't even have classroom chairs in those days!"

  26. what about the new european media lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.medialabeurope.org

    anyone know? --

    1. Re:what about the new european media lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, a quick glance at their page led to the conclusion that it's "part of the Guinness Brewery". looks like they're into fluid research *g*

  27. Oh NO! by AltGrendel · · Score: 1

    Where will we get all our new toys from?

    --
    The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination

    - Douglas Adams

  28. Even though money is gone by sinserve · · Score: 1

    The talent is still there, So, keep expecting
    great "hacks" from them, albeit affordable ones
    -- no more dough to lift a cop car.
    Expect something like .. a coin trick.

  29. IHey, Why not apply to.... by GdoL · · Score: 1

    They should get a grant to study this serious
    problem and maybe get a solution for that. Surely it would get them a lot of funds if they get them a solution.

    Seriously:

    The Media Lab should probably change their focus for more "grant awarded" concerns. They had gone with the hip and money of dotcoms and know should refocus.

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    ------I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either.------
  30. Communication by maggard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The MIT Media Lab has apparently always aimed a little high--for example, the article states that their building was designed by I.M. Pei. The world's most famous architect? For a Media Lab?

    1. Aim high and fly, aim low and crawl.
    2. I.M. Pei is probably not the "world's most famous architect" - that would likely be Leonardo DaVinci. Even for current ones I expect Frank Gehry might more rightly hold that crown.
    3. Yes, a quality building to emphasize the arrival of the new lab. On a campus with many mediocre buildings and a few great ones it was felt appropriate to include something more then average. That it was also dramatic & different met with the image Negroponte wants to project. Or should all buildings be cheap boxes from a catalog?

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    1. Re:Communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I.M. Pei is probably not the "world's most famous architect" - that would likely be Leonardo DaVinci. Even for current ones I expect Frank Gehry might more rightly hold that crown.

      Hmmm..., you're probably right on that one. Perhaps I should have said "among the world's most famous modern/contemporary architects."
    2. Re:Communication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Gehry's new building on the MIT campus is across the street and back a bit :)

  31. Too much funding. by Restil · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Even if you have practically endless funding, I can see better uses of that funding then paying for first class airline tickets and limo service. These ARE students we're talking about, right? They certainly don't fit into the "starving college student" role very well.

    Not that the rest of the dot-com wave didn't suffer from the same problems. And yes, when any college student who once turned on a computer could land a lucrative job in this industry, with all the lavish perks that go with it, I can see where MIT might have to compete on those grounds to attract that same talented individuals. But there would always be others. There would always be people to whom the research was more important then the perks. Yeah, you'd have to search a little harder, but I'm sure there were a few real starving college students at MIT that would have been happy for a $9 an hour starting salary job.
    And when the wave collapsed, MIT labs wouldn't be struggling, and wouldn't HAVE to cut back or cut jobs, and the people in those jobs would be VERY happy.

    But hey. What can ya do?

    -Restil

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    1. Re:Too much funding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience with the media lab has been that they spend money on corporate bigwigs who will probably be donating money. I don't know any UROPs who were given the red-carpet treatment.

  32. so they foolishly followed dotcom trends then? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sorry but paying cellphone time for anyone is pretty stupid unless they are the on-call administrator. same goes for first class travel or the catered meetings. (bring a coke and a twinkie if you're hungry, the rest of us have to buy our own lunch!)

    The problems I saw was excessive spending for un-important things thus taking funds away from many important projects.... gluttony at it's finest.

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    1. Re:so they foolishly followed dotcom trends then? by $lashdot · · Score: 1

      I don't know if they were foolish. A few years ago, everyone was all talk about all the perks you could get working in the dotcom field. There were many stories about college drop-outs going into the dotcom field and doing better than their parents financially (at least on paper), in addition to the "fun" work environments.

      I would imagine that MIT wanted to prevent a talent exodus or, indeed, plain-old non-enrolment, by offering as much "fun" and "excess" as they could. Colleges get a good deal of their money from donations from their successful graduates and the companies of their graduates.

      If MIT thought that it might risk such a loss of future funds if bright minds were going directly into industry, it seems a reasonable thing to do what they can to remain attractive. Now that dotcomming isn't so attractive itself anymore, it again makes sense that MIT would cut back.

    2. Re:so they foolishly followed dotcom trends then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, buit you let those prima-donnas go. They were worthless to begin with, and they are now begging for a dollar on the street now.

      It's called being smart, and 95% of these "techies" were dumbasses and deserve their hard times now.

  33. lessee by sinserve · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    * beer for homiez ... $30
    * fake police car ... $275
    * knowing that will be your last penny ... priceless

  34. Questionable value of research by TDoris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It finally all makes sense. Media Lab set up a "European Branch" in Dublin about a year ago, for which they got about 50 million IRP (approx) $60 million, which was allocated from the indigenous research funds supposedly reserved for research activities in Irish Universities (not the most affluent at the best of times, but still producing solid results). The initial payment was not exclusively for the Dublin site, rather a large chunk was redirected back to Media Lab in Mass., supposedly it represented a "payment" from the Irish people so that Irish students we could have the privelege of access to Media Lab's IP. To the best of my knowledge, the number of students in the Dublin institution, a year after its establishment, can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Oh yeah, I almost forgot that they managed to get a clause agreed on that a significant percentage of all funds donated to "Media Lab Europe", i.e. the Dublin based institution, would be redirected back to Media Lab in Mass. We're suckers.
    Meejalab

    1. Re:Questionable value of research by hughk · · Score: 2
      Knowing IRL, at least 50% was probably EU money.

      I don't know who did their contracts, but if there was misrepresentation about the use of the money, this should be recoverable.

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  35. I'm calling from a bar... on a portable phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's not a pay phone! It's a portable phone!

  36. Value of Research by f00zbll · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This goes back to the age old question of "what is the value of research?" Having been told by a few academic people who do research, it's not about being useful. It's about exploration. From an engineers perspective (smart potholders) some of the research topics sounds absolutely ludicrous, but you never know if that stupid idea inspired a good idea. Researchers like to think big and dream, but I still don't know that warrants funding assinine research. MIT has been around a long time and I've met some graduates. Every university has the same problems with funding (though some to a lesser degree). Is MIT really all that different? It's not like MIT is the only place that is doing wild cutting edge research.

    MIT is more well known because of a few famous people who taught, graduate or worked there. People shouldn't put too much stock in prestiege. All degrees are only as valuable as the effort you put into it. Likewise, an university is only as good as it's students' ability to be resourceful. I don't know that having the world at your finger tips with first class flights really fosters a scrap dog mentality. If necessity is the mother of invention, having everything at your fingers tips (as MIT is accustomed to) might inhibit creative thinking.

    1. Re:Value of Research by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      I don't know that having the world at your finger tips with first class flights really fosters a scrap dog mentality. If necessity is the mother of invention, having everything at your fingers tips (as MIT is accustomed to) might inhibit creative thinking.

      This is so true. I worked for a startup in the mid-nineties which was initially very underfunded (my first month there we didn't know if we could make payroll!).

      The cool part? Because we had no money for the fastest machines and modems, we built our protocol to work well on the equipment we had. Once we released it to the world, it flew. I would bet that if we had had more money, and bought the fastest equipment, we wouldn't have been motivated to do as good a job -- simply because we wouldn't have seen the bottlenecks.

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  37. Um. Right. Yeah. by The+Great+Wakka · · Score: 2

    cellular telephones, first-class air travel, food at internal Lab meetings, and furniture

    They're going to cut back on FOOD and FURNITURE? Yes, of course, makes sense, have everyone sit on the floor and eat lint. Saves on cleaning costs too.

    But they got free first class airfares and cell phones? Wish I coulda been there.
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    1. Re:Um. Right. Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read it, it says "food at internal Lab meetings", ie, they had their meetings catered.

      And I would suspect that the furniture thing means they have to put up with standard "industrial" normal furniture and not anything custom or fancy.

      Glenn

    2. Re:Um. Right. Yeah. by GLX · · Score: 1

      More like no more catered lunches consisting of gourmet food (go to the deli and get yourself a sandwich)., and no more $800 Aeron chairs. Nothing too outrageous if you ask me......

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  38. So they get more creative... by MantridDronemaker · · Score: 1

    I think MIT won't have to worry too much - they have enough brains and creativity overthere that they could probably do cool stuff with $100 per year.

    :)

  39. This article came as a surprise... by CmdrSanity · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...considering the fact that the Media lab is currently (and noisily) constructing an enormous expansion wing right outside my window.

    $5M in sponsorship for the "smart potholder"? Screw that. Throw some funding at the the "silent jackhammer."

  40. Why should I care? by bliss · · Score: 1

    pardon me but I have had a hard day.

    I have heard of these projects before and I really don't see how they help me in the least in any way. *I* don't go to MIT and I really don't think I should want to (I like to get a balanced education and not just all technical). What about AI and all that being promised to do all manner of things. I havn't really even seen a decent say simple chat bot that even used a simplistic neural network.

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  41. troll? by autopr0n · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How the is this a troll?

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  42. correction by bliss · · Score: 1

    "$8.75 per? Hour? Day? Year? "

    that would obviously be hour

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  43. The 8.75 is not a typo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many people think that it's a typo...it's not. The MIT Minimum Wage is basically ~$8/hr...Meida Lab UROPs got paid a little more base starting salary. Hardly the small fortune the article makes it out to be, considering how much most could've gotten paid locally at some dotcom (esp., during the height of the boom).

    Also, as a former Media Lab UROP, I can strongly state that the UROPs in the Media Lab were the BACKBONE of work in the Media Lab. Another misconception from the article is that they UROPs had "projects" that they circulate looking for funding that the Media Lab would fund. Couldn't be more wrong. The UROPs are/were more like contract programming labor hired to support/flesh out the theories of the grad. students/professors. Cutting such is going to be the hardest cut to make...

  44. To quote an AI Lab posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    This came over one of the AI Lab mailing lists shortly after the Media Lab annuncement (GSB is a social event that happens every Friday). Formatting modified from the original ASCII because slashdot code is incompetently written and didn't deal:

    Recently, it has come to our attention that certain financial difficulties have befallen our bretheren at the Media Lab. Our diligent den-mothers intelligence sources have intercepted the list of cost cutting measures which have been instituted down the street:

    1. Please use only one or two squares of toilet paper at a time. In extreme cases, use only as many additional squares as are necessary.
    2. There will no longer be free food at Media Lab seminars. Instead, seminars will be scheduled to start 15 minutes after AI Lab seminars. An advance team will be dispatched to go down the street, sneak as much food out of NE43 as they can carry, and bring it back to the Media Lab.
    3. Central heating will be shut off between the hours of 6 pm and 8 am. For those working late, a makeshift fireplace will be set up in the Cube, along with the remaining 152,400 unsold copies of ``Being Digital.''
    4. Student workstations will now be coin-operated. To use your workstation for thirty minutes, insert a quarter into the slot and turn the knob all the way to the right. Change machines will be installed in the lobby to facilitate this procedure.
    5. New students will not be given offices, but will construct free-standing ``pods'' out of corrugated cardboard. We hear this has been tried with great success in the AI Lab.

      The lesson for us all is to be very, very nice to our sponsors, or suffer a similar fate. Come discuss the fiscal realities of cutting edge AI at this week's

      girl scout benefit

    1. Re:To quote an AI Lab posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re 1: how about the rumor that you are supposed to not flush the toilet after...?

    2. Re:To quote an AI Lab posting by Rocky · · Score: 1

      ...Stallman's been there?

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    3. Re:To quote an AI Lab posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * Central heating will be shut off between the hours of 6 pm and 8 am.

      They did this in building 26 during a few weeks in November (when it was actually cold). It sucked.

  45. UROP Payments by Romanpoet · · Score: 1

    I don't attend to MIT, but I'm fairly familiar with the campus/situations there. To my understanding, they are REQUIRED to pay at least $8.50 an hour for any students in UROP.

    I'm not exactly certain whether it's 8.50 or 7.50 (but I'm about 80% sure it's $8.50 per hour.) But, I do know that they cannot pay students any less than that baseline.

    1. Re:UROP Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of paying them, the other option for
      undergrads at MIT is doing a UROP for credit. The type of credit offered though isn't all that useful.

      $8.75/hr? When I was a UROP at the MIT Media Lab 6 years ago, I made $7.50/hr.

    2. Re:UROP Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the other option for undergrads at MIT is doing a UROP for credit. The type of credit offered though isn't all that useful.

      Also, if you do UROP for credit in the summer, IIRC you have to pay a minimum of $1000 tuition. No joke.

      Money is definitely the way to go.

  46. Limos and First Class Flights by west · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While limos, first class flights, and a new nicely designed building might seem outrageous, one should keep in mind that sites that look pedestrian and work on basic research rarely get corporate funding.

    Every company wants to donate money to a "successful" department and, like it or not, a lot of people controlling the money determine success by the outward signs. Likewise, good research that doesn't have some flash/publicity potential isn't worth a whole lot when it comes to getting donations. It's why some of the wierder projects are very important from a fund-raising point of view. They get you noticed.

    Of course, you can go too far, start looking ostentatious and have your projects look like time wasters. It's a careful balance and not an obvious one at that.

  47. Re:And this is a troll exactly how? by amarodeeps · · Score: 1

    I mean, it's at least a decent point, and deserves more than a 0 score and troll marking. Geez.

  48. Endowment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    MIT's endowment compared to that of other research universities is about the same as John Holmes Vs Kermit the frog.

    MIT has the cash if they want to keep the funding around , but apparently they have better places to spend their money. What papers have came out of the Media lab? I haven't noticed any particualy good ones. Not quite my field of expertise, but compared to other areas of research I would venture to say the department is lacking in the results it produces.

    1. Re:Endowment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with that. I've been reading some of the media lab publications, and although they produce some "cool" hacks, that's it, they are just cool and with no practical purposes, but I guess that is the point of doing research...or is it?

    2. Re:Endowment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One example:

      Nature, vol 415, issue 6858, page 152-155.

  49. Re:lessee: Not offtopic by swimmar132 · · Score: 1

    Parent post is referring to an incident where MIT students made a fake police car (but real looking, lights and all) and placed it on top of an administration building at MIT on April Fools day.

    Apparently, those "hacks" are, or used to be, commonplace at MIT.

  50. undergraduate pay is prevailing minimum wage by peter303 · · Score: 2

    First, MIT sets the general wage guidelines for undergraduate work-study. Its not all that much higher than prevailing minimum wage of the area, which used to have a tight labor market until the tech crash. Harvard insituted a "living wage" after years of protest for its immigrant janitors of $10.50 an hour.

    Since student's families are paying around $35K a year to go to MIT, hey are paying about $20 / hour (based on MITs own calculation of a 45-hour study week) for the privilege of going to MIT. To get some back, is another privelege.

  51. Overpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The Media Lab had previously paid such
    > positions $8.75 and up

    Damn...and to think I used to make $6.50/hr when an undergrad slave...paid for beer, though, and I got to play on SGI machines.

  52. Re:$8.75 - Depends on where you are... by fallen1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Errr, I think you need to come to grips with reality and realize that the majority (even the folks in IT) don't all live in major metropolitan areas so payrates are not going to be the same. What a sysadmin in Atlanta makes on average is not going to be what he would make in the small town of say Sparks, GA (yes, it is real, look it up :-p).

    In other words, $8.75 per hour is probably right in line with the region around MIT where recruiters were trying to pull people into... starting pay that is. Let's not forget all the other benefits like 401K, good dental, vision, and health insurance, etc. A lot more than just an hourly/weekly wage goes into a job package - even in these economic times.

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  53. most sought-after work site on campus by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Many MIT students would PAY to work in the media lab. Their families are already paying $35K to attend MIT. Computer science is the most popular MIT major, choosen by 40% of the unergrads. Computer science labs are the most sought after positions for pleasure or student-aid jobs. And the playful media lab is the most popular of the computer labs.

    1. Re:most sought-after work site on campus by jyoull · · Score: 1

      Actually, no... recruiting MIT undergrads for anything is pretty difficult, and they have many interesting opportunities to choose from, when they're not putting in massive hours on problem sets and classwork...

  54. satellite media labs in UK, India, Japan by peter303 · · Score: 2

    The Media Lab was in a mega-expansion mode. First it is building a second building on the MIT campus. Second it is planning up to three branches abroad. These branches are quasi-independent of MIT. They are more like dot.com incubators. They get their funding entirely from industry and foreign governments. They do not have professor slots or degree granting rights. However, MIT profs and tudents may spend some time in the branches.

  55. Your perspective is limited, and so is mine... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like nomadic, who replied above, I also suffered through a public university. In my case, the computer science program was barely able to afford the basics. This is in Minnesota, USA which is one of the most highly taxed regions of the country and yet, we could barely afford the basics. I paid my own tuition, I paid for my own meals, I paid my own room and board, and I worked the $4.25/hour jobs to do it. I emerged from school with much less debt than my coastal peers and, for the most part, with much more willingness to bust my ass to succeed.

    To me, that is valuable. Having a role in remeasuring Mt. Everst, Legos products, and other commercial innovations is interesting to be sure. However, if we don't afford our students a bit of hardship, then how are they to have enough character to make real contributions to the world and not just invent the next profit margin gimmick? MIT may have done some important things in the past (and are probably doing so right now in some ways), but it didn't do those because they had every convenience and plush toy available to them. Why should that be the case now? If I provide all those extras, who am I going to attract? Will I attract those with an interest in being among the elite? Or will I attract those with an interest in being merely comfortable? If I simply provide an education with a reputation for producing lean and mean technologists, who will I attract? I will attract those who are motivated to become better.

    As for professors, I do not begrudge any professor their salary. They put up with way too much for the likes of me to badmouth them. But there's a limit there too.

    Excessive comfort does not promote real innovation.

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    1. Re:Your perspective is limited, and so is mine... by Eccles · · Score: 1

      I emerged from school with much less debt than my coastal peers and, for the most part, with much more willingness to bust my ass to succeed.

      And yet here you are, during U.S. working hours, reading and posting to Slashdot... :-)

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    2. Re:Your perspective is limited, and so is mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "To me, that is valuable. Having a role in remeasuring Mt. Everst, Legos products, and other commercial innovations is interesting to be sure. However, if we don't afford our students a bit of hardship...

      This is precisely the attitude that is killing innovation in young minds stone-dead. I appreciate the hardship you had to go through, but I prefer to focus young minds on education, not becoming wage-slaves to transnational companies intent on keeping their power.

      "then how are they to have enough character to make real contributions to the world and not just invent the next profit margin gimmick?"

      Ah. I suppose coding X Window or building an artifical organism is a profit margin gimmick. I am sorry, but find all this a bit sad.

      "but it didn't do those because they had every convenience and plush toy available to them. Why should that be the case now?"

      Because students should not be treated as if their minds were just adjuncts to an able body chopping burger meat or standing at a production line as I had to do.

      "Will I attract those with an interest in being among the elite? Or will I attract those with an interest in being merely comfortable?"

      I am not sure whether having good tools or $ 8.75 an hour has anything to do with being comfortable.

      "If I simply provide an education with a reputation for producing lean and mean technologists, who will I attract?"

      I don't want lean and mean technologists. I want educated minds. They will survive and contribute to a better world. I am not sure whether offering limo rides to students is going to make it worse. Anyway, the articles said nothing about STUDENTS getting limo rides etc.

      "I will attract those who are motivated to become better. "

      No, you will attract those who are willing to suffer through a bad time to get a degree, but an education, my friend, that will be a casualty of the rat race starting at College.

  56. Yep, this is exactly what I heard by srichman · · Score: 4, Informative

    A few weeks ago a friend of mine in the Media Lab mentioned to me that the shit was really hitting the proverbial fan because of the missing millions, and that layoffs and cutbacks were a result of this. So, as I understood it, the belt tightening was a direct result of this serious accounting mistake (oops) and not some nebulous result of the dot com slowdown.

  57. Cry me a river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Limousines, first-class travel, catered lunches?
    Expensive brand-new building designed by moderately well-known architect, complete wih built in a space crisis?

    I'm sorry, but I say TOUGH SHITE MIT!
    Talk about wastefulness - I though it was bad when I heard about our Uni purchasing 2 plasma screen tvs to display current events in our Library, but this tops all the academic waste I've ever heard about(and believe me it's my # 1 pet peeve, so I've heard it all).

    Hope you enjoyed your expensive 4ss articles in Wired(such a good magazine too... ;) ) 'cause that's about all that ever came out of that pile of waste!

    What I can't believe is that they are just NOW cutting back - I mean what where they thinking would happen when just about every corporate backer went belly up, or cut their funding?

    Money still grows on trees in Cambridge right?

  58. Well, I was considering MIT for college... by sean23007 · · Score: 1

    but now that UROPs won't get paid, what's the point?

    Oh yeah, the excellent school/ excellent atmosphere bit. Right.

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  59. They never did pay for furniture by iabervon · · Score: 2

    When I worked there back in the late 90s, my group's furniture was old and needed replacing: the lounge's chairs were kind of ratty, the keyboard trays kept falling off of the desks, and there weren't enough desk chairs for the number of desks.

    We never did get any new furniture. If we'd wanted high-end workstations to sit on, we could have had those, but furniture was just impossible.

    Probably now groups will take up a collection and buy themselves new furniture, since the lab isn't going to say they'dd buy it but not actually do so.

  60. Bad Research = No Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never seen a good piece of research come from the media lab. Silly talking parrots, wearable computers... Tell me where the value is.

    I personally think tax dollars (and sponsorship dollars) should be spent on more important things like fighting HIV or solving the unemployment problem in the USA, or hell, why not pay for good computer science research.

  61. So how can they afford _another_ building? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're so poor, how do they have enough money to build this extension.
    Not only are they paying undergraduates less money to work there, they're also depriving them of sleep with constant construction right across the street from a dorm.

  62. fuck you you filthy shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I.M. Pei designed the Media Lab building... who gives a fuck about the Stata Center in this article? NO ONE

    p.s. hi Sean!

    1. Re:fuck you you filthy shit by marktwain · · Score: 1

      2 of those quad letter words in one sentence, mon? heh. you read keats by any chance? personally i think the good olde boys should be only flying first class. just limit them to one trip per decade.

  63. Hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an MIT student, that's all I can say. Yeah. You got shmucked by the Media Lab. Happens every day. The Media Lab as an embarrasment to everyone else on campus. But they sure may good con artist. Thanks for the extra cash. I'm sure Mr. Bender or Mr. Negroponte will get a nice salary bonus from it. Most undergrads working there eventually get conned too. A couple of the smaller sponsers did as well (but they do kiss the asses of the major sponsors).

  64. Quantum Computing Only bright spot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Thank God the Media Lab is changing its ways. As mentioned in the article,
    its quantum computing research is very promising.



    http://www.ar-tiste.com/qcomp_onion/
    jan2002/IBMBuildsSpecial.htm

  65. Re:$8.75 - Depends on where you are... by jbaratz · · Score: 1
    Umm, $8.75 is nowhere near competitive with what local companies pay - the cost of living in and around Boston is very high. What the media lab offer(ed||s) students is:

    • A chance to do actual research. Even if a student starts off as a code monkey, they will often use it as a springboard toward a thesis.
    • Flexibility. Working part time at the local convenience store won't let you set your own hours
    • A dot com environment with an academic pace. Sure, there are some late nights, but there's less danger of having a bad quarter and losing funding for your project.

  66. Matthew Herper (the author) isn't a researcher by exa · · Score: 1

    It is written by an unfortunate person with an
    intellectual level so inferior to researchers
    at the MIT lab, that he would like to state that
    "Media Lab's heyday may be over".

    He also makes the claim that the lab may "see
    itself overshadowed by more concrete research
    --by tangible products like drugs." What the hell
    is Media Lab's relation to drug research? How
    does this imbecile think that he may compare
    things like AI, VR or robotics research to medicine?

    And why does he think that a lab at the university
    should aim tangible products at all? Who are you
    to decide what is "concrete" and what is not "concrete"
    research.

    I don't value the subjective content of that
    article at all. To me, he is just a "financial"
    moron who would be better off dumped into a
    nuclear wasteyard.

    On the other hand, I think when the resources
    are scarce a research lab should try to focus
    the money on research rather than other activities.

    Thanks,

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    1. Re:Matthew Herper (the author) isn't a researcher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  67. Meaningful equals, well, meaningful... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2

    I guess the "meaningful" bit is a bit hard to define and it's probably too subjective to be measurable. However, I can think of some ways that research can be NOT meaningful:

    -Research which is sponsered by a 3rd party which is conducted largely for the purpose of enriching that 3rd party.

    -Research for which the results do not contribute into lasting knowledge bases (e.g. assisting with measuring the height of Mt. Everest).

    -Research which will not advance the state of the art, but will instead, merely produce a new invention that takes advantage of well known principles.

    Perhaps the question for any project shouldn't be "is it meaningful?", the question should maybe be "has it not been proven to be not meaningful?"

    IMO - Universities ought to be concerned with the more theoretical matters and companies ought to be more concerned with the practical applications of those results. One will always feed the other, but they must each remain separate in order for both of them to accomplish their relevant organizational goals.

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    1. Re:Meaningful equals, well, meaningful... by snarkh · · Score: 1



      I generally agree with you.


      The universities should concern themselves with more fundamental research and not to try to profit too much from it.


      On the other hand it is often very hard to judge just how meaningful a particular project or an area of research is. A lot of research, for example, is extremely esoteric and is completely inaccessible to people outside of the field. (I am a mathematician, I ought to know :)


      I think the problem with the MediaLab is that they tend to create a public circus around their projects rather than to try to get insight into the problems. Just because you can put a computer
      into a coffe machine (or a couch or whatever they have there) and get a million dollar grant to do so, does not make it a scientific research project or even a good idea.


      But then again that is exactly the type of stuff the industry would go - they can understand it after all. (Not to say there is no good research in the industry, take the Bell labs, for example).

  68. Setting the record straight - by a recent graduate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    M. Herper, the Forbes author, neglects to mention that he is, himself an MIT graduate (2 years ago) and apparently somewhat jaded. The article was full of inappropriately perjorative commentary. I graduated from the Media Lab within the past year. The Media Lab isn't perfect, but some corrections to Herper's hatchet job are in order:

    Students have never flown first or business class as standard policy for trips. That mention referred to faculty. It is an MIT-wide policy that faculty taking flights longer than some limit (like 8 hours) may fly in first or business class, I forget which. I believe the lab's new policy is more conservative than MIT's, and previously was simply in line with the Institute-wide policy. They do travel a lot, and flying internationally in any class generally sucks. I can't begrudge them a little comfort. They aren't getting rich on their salaries.

    The "top of the pay scale" that is mentioned with regard to UROPs tracks the MIT pay scale for UROPS - institute-wide. As far as I know the Lab paid no more than any other labs at MIT could pay their undergrads. And in Boston/Cambridge, $8.75/hr ain't much money no matter how you look at it. My undergrads were great, a bargain at most any price... you can't do complicated projects without a team.

    Historically, Media Lab students have excellent track records of publication acceptance by journals and conferences. If you can't go to the conference to present a paper, then you can't submit the paper in the first place. It is very bad form not to attend. Students at other institutions, who don't get assistance and don't have personal wealth, don't go to conferences. And graduate students in many other programs outside MIT don't even deal with this problem because they never publish anything - at those programs, "publishing" is a privilege reserved for the faculty and senior Ph.D. students. I believe the lab's policy of helping people get to conferences was/is perfectly responsible. The faculty's emphasis on writing and publishing, even for new graduate students, is commendable. It's too bad that many students go through graduate programs without writing even one conference- or even workshop-quality paper. I hope that Media Lab students will be able to continue to submit papers and participate in the greater academic communities brought together at conferences. This is perhaps an area where analysis and planning could cut expenses, without harming academics. A personal track record of publications matters. Any organization that can help its researchers publish more, creates an advantage both for itself and for its people. Better questions to ask of all academic communities in general are "why are conferences so expensive for everyone?" and "are conferences the best venue for academic sharing?" (Answer: I'm told the ACM forbids its conferences from happening in any but the most expensive hotels - Hiltons and Marriotts)

    "Limo" is a very loaded word. Generally if students travel by other than taxi or subway (sometimes hauling several road cases of gear plus clothes and laptop(s))... they don't take stretch Lincolns with televisions and bars, though that would be hilarious. This is talking about a car service with a driver... a high-end private taxi. This is not something that people used often. I did it a couple of times, both paid for separately by sponsors who asked me to come see them. It's actually cheaper and faster than a taxi if you do it right,. Personally, I usually took the subway to the airport ($0.85 and now $1.00) if I had time and wasn't hauling too much stuff. But if you're hauling gear, the three changes (red line, green line, blue line) and then the bus to the terminal are really too much to deal with. If the Lab's had a problem with travel, it's due to a failure to optimize and preplan, not largesse, at least as far as student travel is (generally) concerned. I can't address specific cases or faculty/research staff. I just know that I didn't see people going on junkets.

    Food: I used to own companies. One thing I learned was that I could get people to work right through lunch AND dinner if necessary, if I fed them. The guy I worked for before that took care of my lunch from time to time, and I worked right through. From that perspective, I find it hard to argue that the lunches were a bad deal. When I last had a staff (pre-Lab), it was common for a half-hour or hour-long lunch to consume 50% more than the "official" time, given the pre-planning time ("where should we eat?") and the post-lunch restart delay of people washing up, and getting into gear to work again. All I'm suggesting is that if the funds are available, feeding your staff may actually be more economical than not feeding them. I'd argue the same for any dot-com that fed its people or paid for sodas during rush times, and all times are rush times at the lab. I was buying free soda for my staff back in 1991... it was much cheaper than selling it to them, and it made them happy. The cost was next to nothing - cans of soda in quantity are dirt cheap.

    It's easy to pounce and have a strong reaction, but in the end what I saw at the lab was a lot of really smart people working very hard. Don't believe everything you read in Forbes, and don't believe everything published about the lab. The projects that are highlighted and played up by the press are sometimes the ones that make the prettiest pictures. Serious research, hard math, physics, thinking, sociological studies, all the serious and fun bits of science, technology and humanity don't necessarily photograph well, so you don't hear as much about them, even though the place is full of people doing great things.

    Oh, and not every project is great. Some of them suck. Some of mine really sucked. But the good ones... are so damned good. The place was built for people to take chances, not to play it safe and hit one guaranteed home run after another... so a little slack there wouldn't hurt.

    cheers

    -"John Smith"

  69. academics != gravy train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the academics/research faculty is soooo interested in knowledge, then why do they easily feed at the luxury expense trough.

    Could it be 'academics are greedy as evil big corporation leaders?'

  70. Forget $8.75/hour what about $40M/year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what has $40 million/year for a decade brought into the world besides "Being Digital"? Anyone have a clue? Please don't tell me quantum computing, that's been around for about 10 years and is up to 4 bits.

  71. 8.75 is plenty of money by drhazmat · · Score: 0

    8.75 is plenty of money (per hour)!
    I'm currently a UROP at another MIT Lab, and I think the main thing to rememeber is that a lot of people would be willing to do cutting edge research and work with the latest equipment for almost nothing. The only reason these jobs aren't filled up immediately is that most students are too busy with their classes!

  72. The Three Laws of Business Flight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Law
    Any organisation containing a group of people that thinks it is "worth" Business Class where another group is only "worth" Economy Class, because they are lower status, had better justify it with hard numbers - and not be permitted to collect Air Miles.

    Second Law
    Any organisation not observing the First Law, but containing a group of people that thinks they are personally worth the extra expense of Business Class vs Economy class had better justify it with hard numbers - and not be permitted to collect Air Miles.

    Third Law
    Any person who used to be in an organisation where the first two laws were not applied and from which they resigned on principle will post the above to Slashdot but will still feel very bitter about it.

  73. Wisdom from the Lab's founder by Everyman · · Score: 1

    "If your refrigerator notices that you are out of milk, it can 'ask' your car to remind you to pick some up on your way home. Appliances today have all too little computing. A toaster should not be able to burn toast. It should be able to talk to other appliances. It would really be quite simple to brand your toast in the morning with the closing price of your favorite stock. But first, the toaster needs to be connected to the news."
    ...
    "The notion of an instruction manual is obsolete. The fact that computer hardware and software manufacturers ship them with product is nothing short of perverse."

    The above are from Nicholas Negroponte in his book, "Being Digital" (New York: Vintage Books, 1996), pp. 213, 215.

    My two cents:

    Apparently no one at the Media Lab has ever been forced to use Windows. The Media Lab has been operating in the stratosphere for nearly 17 years now, completely oblivious to the socio-economic-political infrastructure, and to the everyday lives of billions of people. They should just sell all their assets and donate them to the poor.

    1. Re:Wisdom from the Lab's founder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They should just sell all their assets and donate them to the poor.

      You are not informed. See "Design that matters" ('housed' at ThinkCycle.com)

  74. The UROP is the Heart of the Media Lab by sig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Different labs at MIT find their inspiration from different sources. I should know, I've worked for 3 different research groups at MIT, one of which was the intelligent graphics group at the Media Lab. Places like the AI lab are mostly driven by the professors who have built their careers there. But the Media Lab is of a different sort. It is totally driven by the students. With few exceptions (Neil Gershenfeld's Physics and Media group being one) most research groups in the Media Lab are propelled by students. Undergrads cook up all the crasy projects, they hack together all the pieces, they write all the code. The reason is that most of the staffers who work there are not engineers, they are artist types who like to reflect on the social ramifications of how great their projects are, but never really get much done. They hire genius undergrad engineers to come and bulid everything, and produce much of the fantastic gadgets that the Media Lab is famous for.

  75. Bell Labs.. by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2

    And in the case of Bell Labs, my theory would state that research would have been more appropriately conducted at a university.

    But, we can thank our lucky stars that wasn't what happened. :+)

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