Virtual PC is just one more reason for too A) buy a windows license (what M$ will probably bundle them, so you can't save money buy using Linux on your VPC) and B) port software to the mac, since people can just use VPC if they want to run it.
A bored nurse at a hospital is browsing through patient files, sees "John F. Kennedy", and for shits and giggles, opens the record to see if he had a gunshot wound to the head.
I don't think Nurses are supposed to be able read through random people's medical files out of bordom. There are all kinds of crazy regulations required by the HIPA or whatever for handling medical information in the US as it is.
Folks who rent mailing lists add "ringers," which, if they receive a mailing after the term of the rental is up, yield prima facie evidence of violation of the rental contract.
I can't think of a single legitimate reason to 'rent' a mailing list.
Well, then you'll just end up with a record of an 'intrusion' from localhost. if there is something wrong with your software, you should fix it anyway.
Or they were poking around bored.
The whole point is that they shouldn't be poking around. I certanly wouldn't want hospital employees 'poking around' in medical records. If someone is 'poking around' in sensitive data, then they are a hacker. If it's someone from your organization, you should either bitch at 'em or fire 'em, depending on what kind of work you do.
Or you've been hacked in which case you won't have an access record anyway if the hacker did their job right.
Not if you burn logs straight to a multisession CD...
People running freenet nodes do so to promote and protect freedom, not necessarily to pursue evil/unlawful ends (which would make it an actual conspiracy).
Wow! I'm glad you were able to divine the intentions of all freenet users. I'm sure most of the users feel this way, but not all of them. Anyway, the definition I looked up is as follows
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
Subversive means:
Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established government: "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities" (Erica Jong).
If the people running freenet believed the government, corps, or whoever makes up the man were in favor of freedom and privacy, there would be no reason to run freenet. Freenet is subversive to it's core. Freenet is definitely a conspiracy.
And anyway, you're knowingly allowing randomly selected and anonymous individuals to use your equipment, and it would surprise me that much if the courts found that there was some responsibility there.
let's see.... 'stealing' a copy right... you mean someone would have to do something like usurping the purchased right to distribute?
No. When you steal something, the other person doesn't have it. You still have your copyright if I make a copy without being licensed by you. I violate your copyright, but haven't stolen anything from you.
Suppose you rape my girlfriend. You've 'violated' her, but you haven't stolen her. On the other hand, if you seduce her and convince her to break up with me, you've stolen her.
Unlike People who are just going to use their PCs to play pirated audio files anyway, if you're going to actual sell hardware to all those pirates you're probably going to want to actual pay the license fees for the mp3 codec. Free vorbis means cheaper hardware. Maybe not that much cheaper, but every peny counts. And if you have a chip does that OGG and MP3 you might as well use it, since it won't cost anything more and it'll be an extra bullet point on the box.
And if you're going to rip CDs you actualy own, might as well do it in OGG if you have an OGG player, as the quality is a bit better.
"Hardware IP" includes "MultiCore Architecture"; CPU and DSP, Memory card interface, External memory interface, LCD controller, and Key input function. Only external memory and audio D/A converter is needed to build a complete portable player system.
It sounds like it would be super-easy to build a homebrew portable audio player now! I wonder what memory interface the chip uses? Could you simply wire something like a memory stick or MMC, battries, a couple buttons and be good to go?
Sorry, a smartcard 'reader' is nothing more then a standard sereal port with slightly diffrent voltages and a diffrent pin-out pattern. The whole point of a smartcard is that it's a programmable computer. You can build a smart-card reader with just a few resistors.
"distributing" sounds weird because you are only distributing the files some of the time, when you are uploading or downloading them, but you're 'sharing' them constantly.
In fact, its almost impossible to not use the word sharing to describe running a file share. and having files available for distribution. And not only that, but the activity does fit definition 2 given above if you allow for parallel turns.
Just don't tell the Jury that they'll lose these rights. Don't let the defense bring it up. There was a kid convicted of dealing cocaine and giving a 30 year sentence based only on the evidence of snitches who got 'deals' for their own crimes. Someone interviewed a juror who said the kid was 'nice' and expected them to only get a few months in the can. After he was told of the sentence he said "I wish now I didn't know." oops.
it also fits under definition 3 above:
3. To relate (a secret or experience, for example) to another or others.
As far as definition 2 goes, it isn't implied anywhere that the turns need to be taken in series rather then in parallel. And besides, the word 'sharing' has already been used for years to describe, um, sharing of files. I mean how long as the term "network shares" been around to describe, um, network shares on SMB networks? The term is so common now that we don't even have any other terms to describe it.
Sharing is the most natural word to use for this new activity. The problem with calling it 'stealing' is that it implies a criminal act and that there is no difference between downloading or uploading an mp3 and stealing a CD from a store, when clearly there is.
Sharing usually involves taking something that belongs to you, and depriving yourself of it to allow others to use it as well, thus improving things for everyone.
Usually, maybe, but not always. Certainly everyone using the Linux kernel never deprived Linus, or anyone else who helped copy it of anything. Red Hat software isn't billions of dollars in the whole due to the software that they gave away.
You can't copy a chocolate bar. This entire thread is a complete waste of time. Everyone understands how filesharing works, there's' no reason to use insipid analogies.
Whatever. 10 years ago, if I copied a bunch of songs onto a tape and gave it to someone else, the RIAA would have given me a fricking medal. It's free advertising on non-durable media. They LOVE their shoddy ass media.
Um, no. The RIAA threw the same fit about 'home taping' and tried to get it banned. They even put these stickers on records and stuff that said "home taping is killing the music industry". In the end, a Tax was levied on audio tapes and given straight to the RIAA to do with as it pleased.
Well, the problem is that "intellectual property" is not actual property, it's a colloquialism cooked up by people who wish it was actual property. You can buy and sell copyrights, and you can buy and sell copies. But making a copy of something isn't stealing, because it doesn't affect the copyright.
The only way to 'steal' a copyright would be to do something like hack falsely register someone else's work at the copyright office, or something like that.
Okay, I read the bill. And while it does seem pretty bad, for the internet in general (making it a crime to distribute p2p programs without warning users that it could violate their 'privacy' even if it doesn't, for example) it doesn't seem to say anywhere that it would make it a felony to upload any file to a p2p network, only a file copyrighted to at least 10 other people in 180 days, with a retail value over $2,500 Did I miss anything? I'm not a legal expert
Price normalization between india and China will happen much faster then price normalization between the US and India. Anyway, there are only so many stable nations out there.
Lets suppose you were arrested for something simple, like possession of weed for example. You got thrown in jail for the night. That night, 3 huge dudes held you down and repeatedly raped you in the ass while degrading you with apropriate racial profanities. They also took pictures with one of those disposible cameras.
A couple weeks later, you found out that those pics were being sold on gay-prison-ass-rape.com.
Netscape was a seperate purchase. Nor does it satisfy all of what I was saying. The Newton had all the stuff a Palm Pilot does, yet it barely got it's name in the history books.
I was under the impression that Christianity was feared by the Romans because of 1) it's 'newness' and 2) the ferocity of it's worshipers. Early Christians were about as nuts as Hamas and those types of people today.
And obviously the roman empire eventually 'assimilated' Christianity, obviously.
Everybody does it, too many jobs move overseas.
Nobody at home can afford your prices, because they're unemployed.
Yes, but as 'everyone does it' the demand for jobs overseas increases, and as the supply is not unlimited, the price of overseas labor will also increase. At the same time wages over here decrease, until wages in that particular sector have reached parity. Of course, there may be price differences due to regulation and taxation, but they are probably not that different then the costs of shipping, communication, cultural barriers, corruption, etc.
Nobody at home can afford your prices, because they're unemployed.
Overseas they can't afford your prices, because you never paid them enough.
Ah, but we're talking about services and information not goods. So a company with an expanded market share can sell 50 million licenses at $20 rather then 10 million licenses at $100. And this is ignoring differential pricing for different markets as well.
It constantly amazes me that people calling them 'smart' and 'technically literate' can continue to spout this nonsense that shows nothing other then a complete ignorance of economics. Yeah, it's bad for you in the short term, but better for humanity in general (as long as we have things like minimal working conditions and environmental regulations, etc)
Wrong. The internet couldn't possibly have been popular without lots (i.e. millions) of people turning it into something interesting. The Win3.1, OS/2 (why'd you even mention that? heh), and Mac audience playing around on the net was not enough to do that. Sorry.
just stop feeding this troll, you're embarasing yourselves.
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Virtual PC is just one more reason for too A) buy a windows license (what M$ will probably bundle them, so you can't save money buy using Linux on your VPC) and B) port software to the mac, since people can just use VPC if they want to run it.
A bored nurse at a hospital is browsing through patient files, sees "John F. Kennedy", and for shits and giggles, opens the record to see if he had a gunshot wound to the head.
I don't think Nurses are supposed to be able read through random people's medical files out of bordom. There are all kinds of crazy regulations required by the HIPA or whatever for handling medical information in the US as it is.
Folks who rent mailing lists add "ringers," which, if they receive a mailing after the term of the rental is up, yield prima facie evidence of violation of the rental contract.
I can't think of a single legitimate reason to 'rent' a mailing list.
Or they were poking around bored.
Or there's a flaw in your software.
Well, then you'll just end up with a record of an 'intrusion' from localhost. if there is something wrong with your software, you should fix it anyway.
Or they were poking around bored.
The whole point is that they shouldn't be poking around. I certanly wouldn't want hospital employees 'poking around' in medical records. If someone is 'poking around' in sensitive data, then they are a hacker. If it's someone from your organization, you should either bitch at 'em or fire 'em, depending on what kind of work you do.
Or you've been hacked in which case you won't have an access record anyway if the hacker did their job right.
Not if you burn logs straight to a multisession CD...
People running freenet nodes do so to promote and protect freedom, not necessarily to pursue evil/unlawful ends (which would make it an actual conspiracy).
Wow! I'm glad you were able to divine the intentions of all freenet users. I'm sure most of the users feel this way, but not all of them. Anyway, the definition I looked up is as follows
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
Subversive means: Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established government: "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities" (Erica Jong).
If the people running freenet believed the government, corps, or whoever makes up the man were in favor of freedom and privacy, there would be no reason to run freenet. Freenet is subversive to it's core. Freenet is definitely a conspiracy.
And anyway, you're knowingly allowing randomly selected and anonymous individuals to use your equipment, and it would surprise me that much if the courts found that there was some responsibility there.
let's see.... 'stealing' a copy right... you mean someone would have to do something like usurping the purchased right to distribute?
No. When you steal something, the other person doesn't have it. You still have your copyright if I make a copy without being licensed by you. I violate your copyright, but haven't stolen anything from you.
Suppose you rape my girlfriend. You've 'violated' her, but you haven't stolen her. On the other hand, if you seduce her and convince her to break up with me, you've stolen her.
Unlike People who are just going to use their PCs to play pirated audio files anyway, if you're going to actual sell hardware to all those pirates you're probably going to want to actual pay the license fees for the mp3 codec. Free vorbis means cheaper hardware. Maybe not that much cheaper, but every peny counts. And if you have a chip does that OGG and MP3 you might as well use it, since it won't cost anything more and it'll be an extra bullet point on the box.
And if you're going to rip CDs you actualy own, might as well do it in OGG if you have an OGG player, as the quality is a bit better.
"Hardware IP" includes "MultiCore Architecture"; CPU and DSP, Memory card interface, External memory interface, LCD controller, and Key input function. Only external memory and audio D/A converter is needed to build a complete portable player system.
It sounds like it would be super-easy to build a homebrew portable audio player now! I wonder what memory interface the chip uses? Could you simply wire something like a memory stick or MMC, battries, a couple buttons and be good to go?
I find that extreemly cool.
Sorry, a smartcard 'reader' is nothing more then a standard sereal port with slightly diffrent voltages and a diffrent pin-out pattern. The whole point of a smartcard is that it's a programmable computer. You can build a smart-card reader with just a few resistors.
Sorry, being part of a conspiracy does not sheild you from liability even if you don't know what the other parts of the conspiracy are doing.
"distributing" sounds weird because you are only distributing the files some of the time, when you are uploading or downloading them, but you're 'sharing' them constantly.
In fact, its almost impossible to not use the word sharing to describe running a file share. and having files available for distribution. And not only that, but the activity does fit definition 2 given above if you allow for parallel turns.
It's called freenet.
Just don't tell the Jury that they'll lose these rights. Don't let the defense bring it up. There was a kid convicted of dealing cocaine and giving a 30 year sentence based only on the evidence of snitches who got 'deals' for their own crimes. Someone interviewed a juror who said the kid was 'nice' and expected them to only get a few months in the can. After he was told of the sentence he said "I wish now I didn't know." oops.
it also fits under definition 3 above:
3. To relate (a secret or experience, for example) to another or others.
As far as definition 2 goes, it isn't implied anywhere that the turns need to be taken in series rather then in parallel. And besides, the word 'sharing' has already been used for years to describe, um, sharing of files. I mean how long as the term "network shares" been around to describe, um, network shares on SMB networks? The term is so common now that we don't even have any other terms to describe it.
Sharing is the most natural word to use for this new activity. The problem with calling it 'stealing' is that it implies a criminal act and that there is no difference between downloading or uploading an mp3 and stealing a CD from a store, when clearly there is.
Sharing usually involves taking something that belongs to you, and depriving yourself of it to allow others to use it as well, thus improving things for everyone.
Usually, maybe, but not always. Certainly everyone using the Linux kernel never deprived Linus, or anyone else who helped copy it of anything. Red Hat software isn't billions of dollars in the whole due to the software that they gave away.
You can't copy a chocolate bar. This entire thread is a complete waste of time. Everyone understands how filesharing works, there's' no reason to use insipid analogies.
Whatever. 10 years ago, if I copied a bunch of songs onto a tape and gave it to someone else, the RIAA would have given me a fricking medal. It's free advertising on non-durable media. They LOVE their shoddy ass media.
Um, no. The RIAA threw the same fit about 'home taping' and tried to get it banned. They even put these stickers on records and stuff that said "home taping is killing the music industry". In the end, a Tax was levied on audio tapes and given straight to the RIAA to do with as it pleased.
Well, the problem is that "intellectual property" is not actual property, it's a colloquialism cooked up by people who wish it was actual property. You can buy and sell copyrights, and you can buy and sell copies. But making a copy of something isn't stealing, because it doesn't affect the copyright.
The only way to 'steal' a copyright would be to do something like hack falsely register someone else's work at the copyright office, or something like that.
Okay, I read the bill. And while it does seem pretty bad, for the internet in general (making it a crime to distribute p2p programs without warning users that it could violate their 'privacy' even if it doesn't, for example) it doesn't seem to say anywhere that it would make it a felony to upload any file to a p2p network, only a file copyrighted to at least 10 other people in 180 days, with a retail value over $2,500 Did I miss anything? I'm not a legal expert
Price normalization between india and China will happen much faster then price normalization between the US and India. Anyway, there are only so many stable nations out there.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Lets suppose you were arrested for something simple, like possession of weed for example. You got thrown in jail for the night. That night, 3 huge dudes held you down and repeatedly raped you in the ass while degrading you with apropriate racial profanities. They also took pictures with one of those disposible cameras.
A couple weeks later, you found out that those pics were being sold on gay-prison-ass-rape.com.
You would be OK with that?
Netscape was a seperate purchase. Nor does it satisfy all of what I was saying. The Newton had all the stuff a Palm Pilot does, yet it barely got it's name in the history books.
Yup, troll troll troll...
I was under the impression that Christianity was feared by the Romans because of 1) it's 'newness' and 2) the ferocity of it's worshipers. Early Christians were about as nuts as Hamas and those types of people today.
And obviously the roman empire eventually 'assimilated' Christianity, obviously.
Everybody does it, too many jobs move overseas. Nobody at home can afford your prices, because they're unemployed.
Yes, but as 'everyone does it' the demand for jobs overseas increases, and as the supply is not unlimited, the price of overseas labor will also increase. At the same time wages over here decrease, until wages in that particular sector have reached parity. Of course, there may be price differences due to regulation and taxation, but they are probably not that different then the costs of shipping, communication, cultural barriers, corruption, etc.
Nobody at home can afford your prices, because they're unemployed.
Overseas they can't afford your prices, because you never paid them enough.
Ah, but we're talking about services and information not goods. So a company with an expanded market share can sell 50 million licenses at $20 rather then 10 million licenses at $100. And this is ignoring differential pricing for different markets as well.
It constantly amazes me that people calling them 'smart' and 'technically literate' can continue to spout this nonsense that shows nothing other then a complete ignorance of economics. Yeah, it's bad for you in the short term, but better for humanity in general (as long as we have things like minimal working conditions and environmental regulations, etc)
Wrong. The internet couldn't possibly have been popular without lots (i.e. millions) of people turning it into something interesting. The Win3.1, OS/2 (why'd you even mention that? heh), and Mac audience playing around on the net was not enough to do that. Sorry.
just stop feeding this troll, you're embarasing yourselves.