sure enough, I got it today in my spam-catching email. linux system, didn't open it. And it's not always from support@yahoo.com as stated in the article. Mine came from University of Delaware, with whom I have no connection. So it seems to be stripping addresses from the pool of other addresses it's sending to.
yep. But meanwhile, as the kernel development teams become aware of what contains SCO code, the kernel will likely have all traces of it removed by the time the suit ends in 2007 or whenever, at which point if SCO wins it'll get appealed till SCO loses or till it goes to the supreme court. I'm confident that it won't get that far.
i realize that, but there is no possible way it'll happen so it's pointless to speculate to that depth. SCO has no way of claiming that legitimately. The only chance in hell they have is to start from a ridiculously presumptuouos platform and go even further with it. There's no way that it'll work in court, especially with IBM's lawyers on it.
where is the fun in simpoly entering a drab, concrete monstrosity if you don't have to spend half an hour wondering where the door is? not very sporting...
yes...but you see, Linus and the other kernel developers are not to my knowledge in a contract with SCO to hand over all derivative work. Therein lies the key...the worst SCO can do is claim ownership over their own code sections, and possibly force older kernels to not be distributed without some such modules removed. I really don't think that any of what SCO claims to be theirs is unrewritable, or that they could possibly have any legitimate claim to anything that was unwittingly added by kernel devs who were not in contract with SCO. At worst, SCO gets money from IBM which gets sued back out of them by the kernel devs whom SCO is violating the rights of by using their GPLed software.
well, Tim has two options. One, we can be really avant garde about it and replace all staircases with ramps and elevators, or two, we can move it to a country that doesn't care. Knowing these design-types, they'll go for the former and build the room in the shape of a giant wheelchair which is only visible from the sky.
I still own a working TrackMan trackball mouse from roughly 1993, and my present most-used mouse is a Logitech MX300. No problems here. I've heard even linux zealots talking about how their "MS Mouse works fine". Nevermind the fact that they're low-resolution, bulky, and prone to having problems with gathering dirt on the pads that actually touch the desk (I'm talking primarily from my experience at my last job, where every mouse was an optical intellimouse explorer except the Logitech I found at the desk of someone who had left the company and put on my own computer). It's a shame they're so common, because they really are poor mice.
I think the biggest problem is that people assume that just because it's optical it must be good.
That's one of the funnier things. The distros that people complain the most about the installs (debian, gentoo) I find age the most gracefully as well. Debian is decidedly easier, but if mom and dad have Gentoo and need to update config files after an update, it's really easy for their technical son to set up an SSH server on their box that the parents can start up with a simple command (which the son can tell them how to start when they ask him over AIM to do it) and then he can do it. The parents just need to reboot after that, or kill the SSH daemon if that's not too hard for them, and that's done too. It's no Windows Update, but would you want it to be?
it's still untrue. The kernel developers have no binding agreement with SCO, and last time I checked, Jim doesn't get Jane's belongings because she rented a house in good faith from Jack, who had such an agreement with Jim.
i guess until they get it through "legitimate" means it doesn't count, then. I seem to recall a contest held involving microsoft and another mass media conglomerate where all the entrant's information was sold to marketing companies to pay for the contest. And of course Microsoft "helpful reminders" must not be spam either, eh?
if you read later in the article, you may notice a problem as I patented a method for stepping onto a motorized vehicle designed for conveying pay-per-customer passengers to pre-designated areas without appointments...so everyone who "got on the bus", please send $1,000,000 to me ASAP or you'll hear from my personnel who can say IAAL (without the N like the rest of us)
actually, FTP is just as P2P as kazaa, as is HTTP. Just because it's coming from beathomey2003 instead of microsoft.com doesn't make it any more anonymous. Run ethereal while you run kazaa and prove to me that it won't reveal your IP and theirs, and that you can't find out who is on the other end. The only difference between Kazaa and FTP is that the FTP server is up more consistently and less likely to kill your download.
Yes...the closest they can hope for is to slap the guy who submitted the code to the kernel, and to have it removed from future kernels. They may even be able to stop the distribution of these older kernels without the modules they claim to be theirs being removed.
However (and its a big however), the Linux guys in charge (linus, alan cox, etc.) were unaware of the code's potentially dubious origins and therefore cannot be held accountable for anything but its removal and replacement. IBM's chance of losing in this is slim. Linus's chance of losing the kernel itself is beyond slim. Besides...the genie is out of the bottle. Even if they try to close the source it'll just get forked.
that's untrue. Even if they win, they'll only own SCO-licenese Unixes. Linux and BSD are not under the SCO license, and are not bound by IBM's agreements or anyone else's, for that matter, as far as that IP is concerned. Even if they do own AIX, any AIX code that made it into the GPL'ed Linux will prove to be SCO's, but will of course NOT be a SCO ownership of Linux. Seriously, the only people that can get hit for this are those responsible. Even Linus himself is not responsible for code that wasn't contributed by him as long as he cannot be proven to have known it was stolen from SCO. Let's face up to the facts...Linus is safe, and Linux cannot be appropriated as SCO regardless by this outcome.
To reiterate what has been said before, the worst thing that can happen is that the Linux crew has to rewrite a few hundred lines of code or take out modules for a while that honestly don't affect most of us x86 Linux users until they can be rewritten.
even if that's true, the kernel hackers still released their own code under the GPL. Any usage of the GPL code by Caldera-cum-SCO is a voilation of the terms of it's release, and SCO would be certainly liable.
if they are allowing Caldera linux users to continue as it is, I'm fairly certain that as a GPL'ed product, if SCO determines they are going to release their linux kernel as a proprietary object with or without open source, they're opening themselves up to hundreds of lawsuits from kernel developers who haven't licensed that action.
in Washington, Microsoft rhetoric being spouted by government officials...this is sad.
Commissioner Barnes agreed.
``I think we need to get in the mindset that tolls and user fees are the way of the future,'' Barnes said. ``There's no way we're getting by without everybody statewide helping to pay for it.''
in the same sense, is this counting him as 10 windows users?
Let's not get into this semantics arguement. I think most linux users download one ISO image and install it many times, I've downloaded one distro and installed it on as many as a dozen and a half boxes. I've downloaded a distro and installed it once and deleted it (red flag linux...i don't speak chinese unfortunately). Also, privacy zealots tend to lean towards linux and sure don't do anything if they can help it to be "counted".
So in essence, odds are there are more Linux users out there than there are OSX. We just are impossible to count.
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sure enough, I got it today in my spam-catching email. linux system, didn't open it. And it's not always from support@yahoo.com as stated in the article. Mine came from University of Delaware, with whom I have no connection. So it seems to be stripping addresses from the pool of other addresses it's sending to.
until you connect to my WAP. Then you get to realize the horrors that is a shared 56k modem connection.
yep. But meanwhile, as the kernel development teams become aware of what contains SCO code, the kernel will likely have all traces of it removed by the time the suit ends in 2007 or whenever, at which point if SCO wins it'll get appealed till SCO loses or till it goes to the supreme court. I'm confident that it won't get that far.
i realize that, but there is no possible way it'll happen so it's pointless to speculate to that depth. SCO has no way of claiming that legitimately. The only chance in hell they have is to start from a ridiculously presumptuouos platform and go even further with it. There's no way that it'll work in court, especially with IBM's lawyers on it.
where is the fun in simpoly entering a drab, concrete monstrosity if you don't have to spend half an hour wondering where the door is? not very sporting...
yes...but you see, Linus and the other kernel developers are not to my knowledge in a contract with SCO to hand over all derivative work. Therein lies the key...the worst SCO can do is claim ownership over their own code sections, and possibly force older kernels to not be distributed without some such modules removed. I really don't think that any of what SCO claims to be theirs is unrewritable, or that they could possibly have any legitimate claim to anything that was unwittingly added by kernel devs who were not in contract with SCO. At worst, SCO gets money from IBM which gets sued back out of them by the kernel devs whom SCO is violating the rights of by using their GPLed software.
rm /home/luser005/maildir/* gets rid of the contents, not the directory itself. what kind of admin are you if you don't know that?
crawl back under your bridge, wanker.
well, Tim has two options. One, we can be really avant garde about it and replace all staircases with ramps and elevators, or two, we can move it to a country that doesn't care. Knowing these design-types, they'll go for the former and build the room in the shape of a giant wheelchair which is only visible from the sky.
I still own a working TrackMan trackball mouse from roughly 1993, and my present most-used mouse is a Logitech MX300. No problems here. I've heard even linux zealots talking about how their "MS Mouse works fine". Nevermind the fact that they're low-resolution, bulky, and prone to having problems with gathering dirt on the pads that actually touch the desk (I'm talking primarily from my experience at my last job, where every mouse was an optical intellimouse explorer except the Logitech I found at the desk of someone who had left the company and put on my own computer). It's a shame they're so common, because they really are poor mice.
I think the biggest problem is that people assume that just because it's optical it must be good.
That's one of the funnier things. The distros that people complain the most about the installs (debian, gentoo) I find age the most gracefully as well. Debian is decidedly easier, but if mom and dad have Gentoo and need to update config files after an update, it's really easy for their technical son to set up an SSH server on their box that the parents can start up with a simple command (which the son can tell them how to start when they ask him over AIM to do it) and then he can do it. The parents just need to reboot after that, or kill the SSH daemon if that's not too hard for them, and that's done too. It's no Windows Update, but would you want it to be?
it's still untrue. The kernel developers have no binding agreement with SCO, and last time I checked, Jim doesn't get Jane's belongings because she rented a house in good faith from Jack, who had such an agreement with Jim.
i guess until they get it through "legitimate" means it doesn't count, then. I seem to recall a contest held involving microsoft and another mass media conglomerate where all the entrant's information was sold to marketing companies to pay for the contest. And of course Microsoft "helpful reminders" must not be spam either, eh?
if you read later in the article, you may notice a problem as I patented a method for stepping onto a motorized vehicle designed for conveying pay-per-customer passengers to pre-designated areas without appointments...so everyone who "got on the bus", please send $1,000,000 to me ASAP or you'll hear from my personnel who can say IAAL (without the N like the rest of us)
And no, most people haven't heard of Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys or Ani Difranco.
yes they have. and funny, everyone still seems to consider them underground and unknown.
actually, FTP is just as P2P as kazaa, as is HTTP. Just because it's coming from beathomey2003 instead of microsoft.com doesn't make it any more anonymous. Run ethereal while you run kazaa and prove to me that it won't reveal your IP and theirs, and that you can't find out who is on the other end. The only difference between Kazaa and FTP is that the FTP server is up more consistently and less likely to kill your download.
Yes...the closest they can hope for is to slap the guy who submitted the code to the kernel, and to have it removed from future kernels. They may even be able to stop the distribution of these older kernels without the modules they claim to be theirs being removed.
However (and its a big however), the Linux guys in charge (linus, alan cox, etc.) were unaware of the code's potentially dubious origins and therefore cannot be held accountable for anything but its removal and replacement. IBM's chance of losing in this is slim. Linus's chance of losing the kernel itself is beyond slim. Besides...the genie is out of the bottle. Even if they try to close the source it'll just get forked.
that's untrue. Even if they win, they'll only own SCO-licenese Unixes. Linux and BSD are not under the SCO license, and are not bound by IBM's agreements or anyone else's, for that matter, as far as that IP is concerned. Even if they do own AIX, any AIX code that made it into the GPL'ed Linux will prove to be SCO's, but will of course NOT be a SCO ownership of Linux. Seriously, the only people that can get hit for this are those responsible. Even Linus himself is not responsible for code that wasn't contributed by him as long as he cannot be proven to have known it was stolen from SCO. Let's face up to the facts...Linus is safe, and Linux cannot be appropriated as SCO regardless by this outcome.
To reiterate what has been said before, the worst thing that can happen is that the Linux crew has to rewrite a few hundred lines of code or take out modules for a while that honestly don't affect most of us x86 Linux users until they can be rewritten.
even if that's true, the kernel hackers still released their own code under the GPL. Any usage of the GPL code by Caldera-cum-SCO is a voilation of the terms of it's release, and SCO would be certainly liable.
however, someone's sure to be a dumbass and turn it into a class-action, which is never worth it
if they are allowing Caldera linux users to continue as it is, I'm fairly certain that as a GPL'ed product, if SCO determines they are going to release their linux kernel as a proprietary object with or without open source, they're opening themselves up to hundreds of lawsuits from kernel developers who haven't licensed that action.
in Washington, Microsoft rhetoric being spouted by government officials...this is sad.
Commissioner Barnes agreed.
``I think we need to get in the mindset that tolls and user fees are the way of the future,'' Barnes said. ``There's no way we're getting by without everybody statewide helping to pay for it.''
in the same sense, is this counting him as 10 windows users?
Let's not get into this semantics arguement. I think most linux users download one ISO image and install it many times, I've downloaded one distro and installed it on as many as a dozen and a half boxes. I've downloaded a distro and installed it once and deleted it (red flag linux...i don't speak chinese unfortunately). Also, privacy zealots tend to lean towards linux and sure don't do anything if they can help it to be "counted".
So in essence, odds are there are more Linux users out there than there are OSX. We just are impossible to count.
yeah..my wife was disappointed her Athlon 1800+ XP didn't make it, even though I'd told her it was pretty fast when I built it for her.
damn it! I hate when the American Automobile Association starts violating my first amendment rights.