Nevertheless, the main reason it was chosen was because it was really freakin' cheap, not because it had any great technical advantage over Intel.
Yes, you are correct. If what I have read on the topic is correct, the impression I got was that Woz wasn't thinking of this choice in terms of the price of the 6502 vs. the Intel 8086 multiplied by the millions of Apple IIs that eventually would be sold. No, he was thinking about the fact that he personally could not afford the price of the Intel chip to build his prototype computer that he was working on (the Apple I).
However, Woz's recent comments had to do with Apple's "loyalty" to Motorola. In pointing out that they used the 6502, not the moto chip, Apple wasn't being "loyal" to Motorola. In fact, using the 6502 would have been, if anything, a slap in the face to Moto.
People forget that Woz originally chose Motorola over Intel for the first Apple computers because of cost more than any other factor. Motorola had a chip available which was a fraction of the price of most other options at the time.
Maybe people forget it because it isn't true. The Apple I and Apple II that Woz designed used the MOS Technologies 6502 processor, not the more expensive Motorola 6800 or Intel 8086.
No, they found my resume on a job site and called me (I was looking for a job at the time). When they initially called and asked if I was interested, the decision to censor in China had not yet been made. Then, when they called me to setup an interview, it had been made public and I told them no.
So, you are wrong. I did not apply to Google, and they do not call people randomly in the phone book. They do however, call highly qualified people they locate online (Monster, Dice, HotJobs, etc.).
I've been a Mac developer for about 11 years and they were looking for Mac developers for some sort of MacOS X initiative. The recruiter from Google told me that they couldn't hire anyone from Apple, so it was "hard" to find qualified Mac developers. (And it actually is somewhat hard to find really good Mac developers.) I have no idea what the job entailed beyond that it was some kind of Mac development.
I have a Roadmate 700 in my car. I use it all the time. I glance at it to know whether my next turn will be right or left so I know in advance what lane to get into. I know in general the distance to the next turn. When the intersection is tricky, a quick glance can show an overview of the interchange or intersection and which route to take. I know the name of the road to turn onto or the number of the exit. I'm not fumbling around for written directions, etc.
It is no more distracting than looking at the speedometer or gas gauge.
Any new thing comes out and some fool decides the sky is falling.
I didn't read the parent post, but if he said anything bad about Texas he is absolutely factually correct. And yes, you are all rednecks. Every single fucking one of you.
despite the availability of composite and S-Video on the TV they already own.
Lots of TVs don't have composite or S-Video. I have two TVs. One only has coax and the other one only has 2 sets of two little screws labeled "VHF" and "UHF".
Dvorak has a long history of idiotic predictions, especially ones that bash the Mac.
When the Mac first shipped, he predicted that it would fail because "no one knows what a font is" and "no one cares about having different sized type". He went on to say these things were too complicated for the average business user to understand.
Throughout the 90s he pronounced Apple and the Mac to be "dead" many times. Oh, and he thinks the iBook only appeals to gay people.
Apple could include a short list of name brand models on which the OSX demo PROBABLY would run. This coupled with a disclaimer: "Don't call us if you are not running this on a genuine Mac". Owners of a no-name box would be out of luck, as would be the owners of a five year old Dell or other brands.
They could. Howevver, end users will not understand such a nuanced message.
If you work at a software company, I would ask you right now to go find one of your salesman and ask him or her whether it would be a good idea to have a demo of your product that crashes randomly if it has "THIS IS A DEMO" written on it so that people will know that the actual product is very stable.
Again, you have no evidence to back up unsupported assertions. I'm sure if you ask software companies that are members of the BSA on the record, they would say that zero is the amount of piracy they would like to see.
THose people who are driving drunk probably wouldn't have been driving sober, so the important thing is that those drunk drivers are out there on the road and getting positive impressions about the quality of the roads in our country and promoting driving in general.
No, I'm saying that you're exagerating the risk of downloaded software, as boxed software is also vulnerable. Downloaded software is just as safe as the stuff you buy in the store. You're still getting it from a company you don't quite know.
Again, sorry no cigar. The GPP wa refering to downloading *cracked* software from a bittorrent. Not the same thing as downloading a copy of iLife from Apple's website (which you can't do with that particular product, but you get the idea.)
After you factor in the zillion dollars this would cost them to make drivers for this hardware and the zillion dollars it would cost to support such a misguided effort, Apple would be bankrupt.
Ford can't come out with a cheap car with the Mercedes name on it and a mercedes hood ornament. It would violate the law. You can't build a car in your garage and call it a Mercedes and use their trade dress either. Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it right.
I'm sure a crappy Dell system with random crashes because the drivers aren't correct is going to provide the same experience as a real mac. No, it would just piss off potential customers. If you want to try OS X, get a Mac mini.
I find it interesting that everyone who makes software for a living is against piracy, yet folks on slashdot who pirate software say that software piracy is actually good for software companies.
Do you also believe that drunk drivers actually make our roads safer?
You poor naive child. Every few years some large software house gets in trouble because they shipped a product with a bundled in virus.
Your statement doesn't make sense. What you are saying is this: "Because you are taking measures that are only 99.999% effective against a threat, you are stupid for taking these measures because there is still a 0.001% chance that you will encounter the threat anyway."
I suppose it is stupid to keep your money in a bank because every few years a bank fails too.
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Well, video killed the radio star.
Tell it to Howard Stern.
I believe that the things you speak of are part of the VESA standard.
Nevertheless, the main reason it was chosen was because it was really freakin' cheap, not because it had any great technical advantage over Intel.
Yes, you are correct. If what I have read on the topic is correct, the impression I got was that Woz wasn't thinking of this choice in terms of the price of the 6502 vs. the Intel 8086 multiplied by the millions of Apple IIs that eventually would be sold. No, he was thinking about the fact that he personally could not afford the price of the Intel chip to build his prototype computer that he was working on (the Apple I).
However, Woz's recent comments had to do with Apple's "loyalty" to Motorola. In pointing out that they used the 6502, not the moto chip, Apple wasn't being "loyal" to Motorola. In fact, using the 6502 would have been, if anything, a slap in the face to Moto.
Steve Jobs is evil.
Aww.... What did he do, steal your girlfriend?
Yes, he did. Also, my name is Bob Dylan.
People forget that Woz originally chose Motorola over Intel for the first Apple computers because of cost more than any other factor. Motorola had a chip available which was a fraction of the price of most other options at the time.
Maybe people forget it because it isn't true. The Apple I and Apple II that Woz designed used the MOS Technologies 6502 processor, not the more expensive Motorola 6800 or Intel 8086.
No, they found my resume on a job site and called me (I was looking for a job at the time). When they initially called and asked if I was interested, the decision to censor in China had not yet been made. Then, when they called me to setup an interview, it had been made public and I told them no.
So, you are wrong. I did not apply to Google, and they do not call people randomly in the phone book. They do however, call highly qualified people they locate online (Monster, Dice, HotJobs, etc.).
I've been a Mac developer for about 11 years and they were looking for Mac developers for some sort of MacOS X initiative. The recruiter from Google told me that they couldn't hire anyone from Apple, so it was "hard" to find qualified Mac developers. (And it actually is somewhat hard to find really good Mac developers.) I have no idea what the job entailed beyond that it was some kind of Mac development.
These sound like ideas from a well fed american.
They called me for an interview recently and I told them no because of their China policy.
I have a Roadmate 700 in my car. I use it all the time. I glance at it to know whether my next turn will be right or left so I know in advance what lane to get into. I know in general the distance to the next turn. When the intersection is tricky, a quick glance can show an overview of the interchange or intersection and which route to take. I know the name of the road to turn onto or the number of the exit. I'm not fumbling around for written directions, etc.
It is no more distracting than looking at the speedometer or gas gauge.
Any new thing comes out and some fool decides the sky is falling.
No we're not.
Yes, you are.
This is Houston we are talking about. Everyone in Houston is an idiot.
I didn't read the parent post, but if he said anything bad about Texas he is absolutely factually correct. And yes, you are all rednecks. Every single fucking one of you.
despite the availability of composite and S-Video on the TV they already own.
Lots of TVs don't have composite or S-Video. I have two TVs. One only has coax and the other one only has 2 sets of two little screws labeled "VHF" and "UHF".
Dvorak has a long history of idiotic predictions, especially ones that bash the Mac.
When the Mac first shipped, he predicted that it would fail because "no one knows what a font is" and "no one cares about having different sized type". He went on to say these things were too complicated for the average business user to understand.
Throughout the 90s he pronounced Apple and the Mac to be "dead" many times. Oh, and he thinks the iBook only appeals to gay people.
Dvorak is a big fat idiot.
Apple could include a short list of name brand models on which the OSX demo PROBABLY would run. This coupled with a disclaimer: "Don't call us if you are not running this on a genuine Mac". Owners of a no-name box would be out of luck, as would be the owners of a five year old Dell or other brands.
They could. Howevver, end users will not understand such a nuanced message.
If you work at a software company, I would ask you right now to go find one of your salesman and ask him or her whether it would be a good idea to have a demo of your product that crashes randomly if it has "THIS IS A DEMO" written on it so that people will know that the actual product is very stable.
Again, you have no evidence to back up unsupported assertions. I'm sure if you ask software companies that are members of the BSA on the record, they would say that zero is the amount of piracy they would like to see.
THose people who are driving drunk probably wouldn't have been driving sober, so the important thing is that those drunk drivers are out there on the road and getting positive impressions about the quality of the roads in our country and promoting driving in general.
No, I'm saying that you're exagerating the risk of downloaded software, as boxed software is also vulnerable. Downloaded software is just as safe as the stuff you buy in the store. You're still getting it from a company you don't quite know.
Again, sorry no cigar. The GPP wa refering to downloading *cracked* software from a bittorrent. Not the same thing as downloading a copy of iLife from Apple's website (which you can't do with that particular product, but you get the idea.)
After you factor in the zillion dollars this would cost them to make drivers for this hardware and the zillion dollars it would cost to support such a misguided effort, Apple would be bankrupt.
However, poor reporting in the media that makes people believe you can easily crack OS X could lead to drops in Mac sales, a lower stock price, etc.
Ford can't come out with a cheap car with the Mercedes name on it and a mercedes hood ornament. It would violate the law. You can't build a car in your garage and call it a Mercedes and use their trade dress either. Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it right.
I'm sure a crappy Dell system with random crashes because the drivers aren't correct is going to provide the same experience as a real mac. No, it would just piss off potential customers. If you want to try OS X, get a Mac mini.
I find it interesting that everyone who makes software for a living is against piracy, yet folks on slashdot who pirate software say that software piracy is actually good for software companies.
Do you also believe that drunk drivers actually make our roads safer?
You poor naive child. Every few years some large software house gets in trouble because they shipped a product with a bundled in virus.
Your statement doesn't make sense. What you are saying is this: "Because you are taking measures that are only 99.999% effective against a threat, you are stupid for taking these measures because there is still a 0.001% chance that you will encounter the threat anyway."
I suppose it is stupid to keep your money in a bank because every few years a bank fails too.
I think what he means is that Apple uses the same electronics components as other computer manufacturers - same RAM, same connectors, etc.
I find it to be a very spurious argument.