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Woz On Apple's Success
Frankenbuffer writes "The Globe and Mail today has a short interview with Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple. Steve muses on spinning off iPod as a separate division. He also questions the move to Intel." From the article: "Microsoft wants to get out of the whole image of the big, black Darth Vader evil guy ... Innovation is probably going on within the company, because any time you put smart engineers in places eventually they wind up talking and innovating no matter how much you try to hold them back. I hope Microsoft improves and becomes more like Apple."
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If there is one thing I've learned as an engineer, it's that no matter how innovative your engineers, if your management is nothing but bottom-line looking buzzword spewers, you are going to be twisting in the wind.
I swear, the next time a manager tells me that I need to leverage my win-win situation to think outside the box synergisticly, I'm going to mail the CEO the christmas party pictures I took...it graphically proves that our admin used to be a gymnast...
Boldly going where I surely don't belong...
From the article:
"Still, the switch to Intel is a necessary one from an engineering standpoint, he said, because Apple needed a way to improve performance per watt. Mr. Wozniak would have liked Apple to continue using Motorola processors, but "Intel just did a very good logic design.""
Sounds like sound logic to me. No questioning there at all.
Ever since I read Linzmayer's Apple Confidential , I've felt a little sorry for Steve Wozniak. Here's a man who was used by Steve Jobs to launch a brand and didn't even get justly compensated, and then he essentially gets forced out of his own company in a way much worse than Jobs' infamous departure.
But then I realized that, in spite of his lesser success and his challenges, Woz is probably a much happier man. Anyone who gives as much as he does to charity and cares as much about having disadvantaged kids must have a lot of inner peace.
I don't really understand what Woz means by saying that her hopes intel becomes more like Apple. Would we really just want 1 kind of machine? Does he want Microsoft to only licence their software to hardware vendors that only make PC's that are white boxes? Does he want Microsoft to take out support for obsolete hardware everytime they upgrade their operating system? I mean innovation is one thing. But Microsoft already has shown that people don't really need pretty bozes; they want something that will mostly work with all their software and hardware that they have sitting around.
I'd be interested in seeing what direction he'd take the iPod in if he had the chance. Judging by his involvement in the Danger Inc Hiptop, he's big into small internet communication devices and who wouldn't like a WiFi iPod with a web browser? That screen is becoming bigger all the time.
Right now people seem to be straining to turn the iPod into an Input device, or at least to give it that capability. I'd be very interested to see what the Woz could do with it.
You know, I prefer Apple to Microsoft, but here in Ole Europe I haven't met anyone that uses Apple. Apple doesn't have a market penetration on Europe... But "hip" european teenage girls are affected by the trendyness of the IPod, so, Apple still makes some money here in Europe, but not thanks to their main product, the Macintosh computers...
I don't use Linux because Microsoft sucks, I use Linux because Linux rocks!
I can see this happening as a result of the Apple-v-Apple court case next month. That way Apple can get out of the Music business leave it all to the iDivision.
Apple's innovation would seem more related to its marketing than its engineering.
As with all companies there is a magic ratio between the engineers who make the money and the buisness types who end up stifiling the engineers with extra paperwork, goals, and all the other crap they were tought in school. Microsoft execs finaly realize that the only way to keep their dominance in the market is to be an innovator instead of just copying others ideas.
Knowledge = Power
P= W/t
t=Money
Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
He was co-founder of apple and creator of the original Apple personal computers. Reasonable to presume he has a few insights worth listening to.
You should add that he singlehandedly designed and made what is arguably the first mass-produced, consumer-friendly personal computer.
Why do people care about what this guy says?
Probably because he's acheived more than most people ever will.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
moron
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Even if you remove the iPod from the picture, the Macintosh business is growing by double-digits, year over year. With the iPod, Apple's a sixty billion dollar company. Without it, they would probably be a thirty billion dollar company, which is still Freaking Huge.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
"...but here in Ole Europe..."
Is that Spain or something?
I mean, how many millions does one need to retire? He'll never want for food or shelter. He spends his days teaching children, tinkering on personal projects, and being a daddy. As you pointed out, who is happier: Jobs or Wozniak? I bet Wozniak.
Because he helped start the personal computer revolution that enabled you to be typing on your computer in your home or office to write that comment. And he brings technical authority, since the Apple II computer was the last personal computer to be designed entirely by a single human being. Whether you use Windows or Linux, it all traces back to Apple.
"Sufferin' succotash."
He hopes his "long-time nemesis" improves and becomes more like Apple? Why?
Does he realize that if Microsoft improves their image and becomes more like Apple it is only going to hurt Apple?
Guess someone has some MS stock that he wants to see go up.
Well, here in Ole Silicon Valley where I take the train every day to work (no, unfortunately not at Apple) they seem to have a lot of penetration. There are three laptops that I see on the train, PowerBooks, ThinkPads, and Dell whatevers. I'd say I see each in about equal numbers. Given that I have a bais to notice PowerBooks ('cause they're dead sexy!) maybe PB's account for more like 20%. Still, pretty good numbers in the Valley where I'd say a lot of the tech trend setters are.
Can I have yours? I'm just positive you get the chicks all day long...
"Sufferin' succotash."
sweet. thanks for answering my question. woz hasn't done anything interesting since he made that computer. why should i care about his opinion when he simply happened to get lucky by knowing steve?!
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
His design ideas in the Apple ][ were revolutionary, so he as geek cred because of his clever engineering skills.
Plus, he's kind of a hippy who marginalized himself at Apple and eventually quit because it stopped being fun, so he also has anti-establishment cred.
He's also very good at talking about technology, and a fairly likable person, so the press loves the guy.
Finally, Steve Jobs haters love to hail him as the "real" genius behind anything good that Apple has ever done, in spite of the fact that he was never really part of the Macintosh team and hasn't been involved in any company of note for a couple of decades now.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Would have been a great way to test new collision-advoidance systems.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Industry Comparison: Apple doing better than Dell in terms of operating margin. MS still better 40+%
ROE very nice!
I mention this because a couple of years ago I was once with a bunch of mgt types and they were saying that Apple should get out of the PC business because they were an industry laggard. It looks like things have changed.
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"It's like consorting with the enemy. We've had this long history of saying the enemy is the big black-hatted guys, and they kind of represent evil. We are different, and by being different we're better," he says. "All of a sudden we're the same in this hardware regard, so it's a little hard to swallow your words from the past."
fair enough. thanks for actually answering me too.
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
They shouldn't.
Let's face it - Steve hasn't done anything serious since being at Apple - what over 20 years ago? A lot has changed since a lone hacker writing a few lines of 6502 assembler and hooking up discrete ttl chips makes a breakthrough product.
Have you heard about the CORE (controller of remote electronics), or Worlds Of Zeus (WOZ)? Those are just two of his post-Apple failures. If anything, his career as a serial startup-flop is longer and more sustained then his time at Apple.
Does anyone remember CORE sort of invented self-learning universal remotes? So how come he isn't making millions (or billions) off it?
A little thing called business acumen and marketing.
Funny, there is this OTHER steve (Steve Jobs) who has quite a bit of that. Now, guess who returned to Apple after being forced to leave, saved the company financially and with innovative product strategies, and is in the process of selling his other company (Pixar) to Disney for billions of dollars.
It is Steve Jobs that has done all that.
The success of Apple in it's current generation (iPod, iMacs, switch to Intel) is all directly Steve Jobs and has nothing to do with the other Steve.
Maybe that's why he runs around giving interviews about the "way it was" back in the '70s and '80s - there's nothing about today's technology or accomplishments for him to talk about.
.. you don't know shit about it.
Companies spin-off their larger profit makers all the time. It is called 'unlocking value'. Basically if one division of a company is vastly outpserforming the others, then it makes good financial sense to spin it off, so that the shares of both seperate companies more accuratly reflect their marketplace, instead of one division pullling another one down.
Look at Viacom spinning off CBS for example, or Wendy's spinning off it's cash-cow Tim hortons subsidiary.
It would not be unreasonable to suggest Apple spin off it's iTunes music store, since it fits right into this category.
But iPods are also distracting Apple from its focus on computing, he said, and the company might be better served by spinning off the business.
Given the huge success of the iPod, perhaps a better strategy would be to spin off the computing business.
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Somehow Steve Jobs never seems to have that problem.
No one ever wants to hold him to account for past pronouncements.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
He just got a few seconds of your life, isn't that the point of a troll?
And now I've lost a few of mine. Never mind, I would have just wasted them anyway.
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It's more like Steve Jobs "happened to get lucky" by knowing Woz. Jobs was (and is) a salesman, not an engineer. Without Woz, Jobs wouldn't have had an Apple II to sell and make a fortune off of.
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I call Bullshit!
Apple may have needed to improve performance, but not necessarily performance per watt.
And if performance was their sole concern -- not even considering price -- then there was AMD.
Woz, sorry, but you spouting Intel slogans to justify this decision sounds like spin to me.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Yes i agree, Steve jobs was lucky for knowing Woz.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Well, to be fair, Woz probably wouldn't be famous without Steve. And, as you said, the opposite is true. Lucky guys!
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
The thing is... things haven't changed. Apple is a high profile today. Apple was a high profile player before.
The only thing that is changing is public perception.
Who cares what some burnout TTL jockey lazy rich-bitch, who hasn't done anything new since the late 70's thinks?!!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
I hope Microsoft becomes more like Apple too... and build a decent OS on a solid Unix core.
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I commute in to London every day and work in the City. My experience is similar to yours - only those three brands tend to make an appearence, though I'll allow the odd HP and Sony a guest mention. However the Dell/Thinkpad numbers dwarf the rest - whilst my Powerbook isn't quite a unique sight, it's not an especially common one either.
Having said that, if you dump the commute and just look at laptops in the various coffee bars etc. within the City itself, then the Apple quotient jumps up again. And it's still the same brands that make the bulk of the appearance.
Cheers,
Ian
Apple has always been a "consumer" company, not a business player. When I see graphs of computer sales it makes me laugh, as Apple's market is almost purely non-business and "% of computer sales" means nothing to them. Look at the "% of computer sales to home users" and you will see that Apple is making vast in-roads in its target audience.
Microsoft, Dell, HP and the rest target anyone with a pulse, which in my mind makes it less attractive. Apple's best move was the IPod because it not only makes wads of money, but increases the consumer's awareness of the whole Apple brand as a consumer company, and so the consumers are more likely to buy an Apple Mac if their IPod works well for them, then a Windows based computer which is made by HP, runs Microsoft, and runs Napster which getting support for is a nightmare (no, it's a hardware problem, no it's Windows at fault, etc...). My 2 cents...
"Microsoft wants to get out of the whole image of the big, black Darth Vader evil guy," he said.
Yay! I know someone The Woz knows!
You aren't to critical mass yet:
In my work group, we spend staff meetings keeping track of the jargon used by management. It's interesting to track over time.
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once the fire is going the tinder doesn't need the spark anymore.
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A person like Woz thrives in the lower tech frontier environment of 1975-1982. It's long gone. The garage startups turned into giant corporations, but Woz seems to be a garage hacker kind of guy.
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"If they do it, they better do it excellent, excellent, excellent because the iPod sure is. Doing something weaker and somehow trying to use your size and market power . . . that's just not good [enough] if you don't turn out something superior." Don't you remember that quote from Pirates of Silicon Valley? The one where Bill Gates finally confronts Steve Jobs about Windows and when Steve yells "Our stuff is better!" Bill Gates replies "That doesn't matter!"? It doesn't matter. Sure it's good to have a better unit, but a better unit != a more succesful unit. Microsoft will come out with a decent player, but leverage its Windows userbase and connectivity with MSN and Windows Media Player to get regular Joe Users to buy the unit. A marketing and media frenzy will ensue and suddenly everyone will be buying their players. It doesn't matter if it's crappier!
He's the talented engineer that singlehandledly designed and built the Apple I as well as a great deal of Apple's later technology.
He built neat stuff because he loved doing it, not because he wanted to become really wealthy or something else. He is a good example of the archetypal hacker.
He loves high-tech practical jokes.
He's credited with pushing hard for two major aspects of computers where his impact had a lasting effect on the industry -- gaming capabilities and openness. He liked playing video games, and wanted them to be affordable and available to all kinds of people. He also wanted them to be expandable and something that people could reconfigure and build new systems out of.
He's a nice, funny guy, which contrasts with Jobs:
He [Jobs] was given the task of creating a circuit board for the Atari game Breakout. According to Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 to each chip that was reduced in the machine. Unfortunately (and admittedly), Steve [Jobs] had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design. He made a deal with Stephen Wozniak: the bonus would be split evenly between them, if Woz could create a circuit board with a minimal number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50. Unfortunately he had made the design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $500 (rather than $5000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $250.
Today, Jobs is a power broker and the Woz teaches computer science to kids and encourages people to be hackers and engineers. The Woz is a geek and Jobs is a marketer -- and we all want a friendly hero to love.
He and Jobs started Apple partly with money made from selling blue boxes (devices that let people get free calls at the time) so he has a bit of appeal to the pirate folks out there as well.
Basically, The Woz is the kind of guy that we all wish we had a lot more of in society, and wish that more people would emulate. That's why people like to hang on his every word. I attended a talk he gave once, and while I didn't walk away with my life changed, you get the feeling that this is a guy who really has figured out life and how to enjoy doing what he loves.
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
Given the huge success of the iPod, perhaps a better strategy would be to spin off the computing business.
It is surprising how Woz misunderstands the success of the iPod so deeply. He seems to think of it as a Palm Pilot. A standalone gadget. Jobs obviously takes a different view. He sees a vertically integrated entertainment industry from content production to device presentation. The iPod gets its cache by being associated with other enlightened Apple solutions. Spin it off and the magic is gone, just like IBM Thinkpads and Lenovo. I am not saying the prospect of proprietary integrated technology solutions excites me, but that it where Apple is headed. Expect to see Jobs as next Disney CEO.
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You made an assertion.
Now prove it.
I make a counter assertion; detailed in some of my responses later in this thread. What's your proof?
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It's not for teenage girls who want a "cute" computer (although that was my little sis's reason for going Apple). Here in the computer science department at Berkeley (and in other scientific disciplines) I would say about half the students have switched to Macs (largely in the last year or two). At the coffee shop down the street from the CS building, I see more P/iBooks than all other laptops combined. I figured there must be a reason, so I myself switched a few weeks ago (after a lifetime of professing my hatred for Macs) ... the Unix-based OS X, I think, is one of the main selling points.
Actually, they were loooking at those same ratios that I posted back then and they were showing Apple to be less profitable than Dell and everyone else. IIRC, Apple's return on equity was in the low single digits back then.
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Apple innovates on technology gaps filling the need for 1st generation solutions to problems defined as weak bridges to the consumer.
Please explain something they have done that fits this criteria to back up your claim.
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From the article:
Mr. Jobs returned to the company as chief executive officer in 1997 and has since led the company to new heights, but Mr. Wozniak has stayed away. His dealings with Apple are minor, he said, although he's still on the payroll "just out of loyalty."
That's awesome. I'm going to go tell my boss right now that I'm leaving, but I wish to remain on the payroll "just out of loyalty"!
As much as I love the concept of inovation selling itself, the world simply does not work like that. In running a buisness, I have found that there is a reason why good sales people make a fortune. Add strategic vision and you get to become on of the very few people who can build companies.
Steve and Woz were both necessary for Apple to become a success, and I would highly doubt that Steve would argue with this. It's like saying the Beatles would still be the Beatles without John...
I remember a video on NPR about NeXt, where the strategy meetings were taped. Steve gets technology and its application. Woz gets elegant engineering, and has a great understanding of possibilities. The overlap is in the view of technology to do something, but they each understand the result differently.
Whether Woz feels abused, none of us can say...
FWIW, I use Win and Linux at work in a social worker environment, an old StinkPad Win98 at home. Not an evangelist at all.
You need get a pal and play buzzword bingo at your next meeting. Each of you makes a same size grid on a piece of paper, and fill it in randomly with your least favorite buzzwords (synergy, proactive, etc., the sibling posts here contain a bunch of examples.).
Each time the manager/meeting leader (er, I guess I should say 'facilitator' in this context) says a word on your card, cross it off. When you get a bingo, signal by coughing.
Use smaller grids for short meetings, larger for long meetings. Use different sets of words and you can play blackout during those all morning marathons we all love.
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Having actually met (and chatted with) Woz a few months back, just after the Intel transition was announced, I got the impression that he was cautiously optimistic. He understood the problems with the G4 and the G5, but he was concerned about Macs becoming too "PC-like" - what differentiates Macs from PCs now? He also knew about the fact that hackers had gotten OS X (the development release at the time) to run on common PCs, but he didn't seem to be nearly as concerned about it as Apple seems to be now (not surprising considering his legacy).
Interestingly, Woz denied having anything to do with ADB (although he is frequently cited as the inventor), he carries a RAZR (despite his association with Danger, the company that produces the Sidekick) and a Bluetooth headset.
I happened to have a Sony MagicLink with me, and Woz indicated that he hadn't seen someone actually using one in years.
Spindler is the person to blame for the Performa boondoggle.
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Woz: "We're a computer company, and we really think computers. Spinning off a separate division makes a whole lot of sense."
Not anymore they're not. Now they're some combination of a media company, industrial design company, and computer company, to varying degrees. The other other Steve gets that...
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Whether you use Windows or Linux, it all traces back to Apple. Not realy, UNIX came into being in 1969. That was long before the first Apple. It Apple and "Woz" never existed there'd still be the unix-like OSes The "BSD" line of UNIXes started in 1978 and about 20 years later became the core of Mac OSX. UNIX clearly predates DOS and Windows, DOS's command.com was pretty much a vastly striped down version of a UNIX command shell.
MOTOROLA?!
OS X is certainly the biggest selling point nowadays, since the hardware is no longer distinctive. Woz once said regarding OS X that Apple is really more of a software company than a hardware company, and that it's the operating system that truly distinguishes the machine.
I'm one of those wackos who wishes it were sold for generic PCs.
The revolution started by Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs was not the operating system, but the idea of the Personal Computer, the computer, that sits on your desk and you are in control of it, upgrading it (yes... the standardized expansion port was one of the great design ideas of the Apple ][) and deciding which software is running there.
From the Apple ][ and the C= PET the line goes to the IBM PC and Phoenix/Compaq, which took the idea a step further: The "Standard PC" as a design, not a product, where hundreds of "compatible" products can exist, whose parts are (nearly) completely interchangeable and can assembled to whatever YOU, the final user needs.
In other news, Mr. Wozniak declined a match in Adelaide, Australia, saying "I can't. My iPod doesn't have those timezones. It wouldn't remind me, and I'd probably miss the match." Like most brilliant engineers, Wozniak often loses track of time.
this is.
Why should Motorola have worried about Apple after Apple cancelled the open mac platform Motorola lost millions invested in an 'open mac platform'?
Apple sowed the seeds of IBM and Motorola's not caring about the G series of processors. Blaming IBM or Motorola for the 'failings' of the various G processors willfully ignore Apple's behavior.
But, what else can be expected of Apple fangirls.
Sure Woz has been an actor on Apple first success, sure the Apple II is "his" baby, sure it was a cool little computer but I think he're missing a component to be top player. Look at apple history. Apple re-birth is not the iPod but it starts with iMac and that makes a huge difference. ... Steve jobs is the guy of all those ideas and that make a world of difference, he's not lucky ... he's just brilliant.
/. is maybe not the best place to say all these, but hey everone got his place: be the enginer that will build a top computer or be the one that will sell it to the world.
Why ? Because if it was: a success for Steve Jobs than nothing than the iPod it could some kind of luck. But it's not: it's the early Apple success, it's Next, it's the iMac, Mac OS X, the iPod, the ITMS
Of course there are not all "his" ideas, there are hundreds of guys around him having the ideas, but he's selecting the ones he likes and he's good at it. And that is what make some guys a top manager and a world class busines man. As it has been said upper,
One will be in the shadow and the other not, but can you blame the guy in the spotlights ?
You shouldn't, and we don't care that you don't. You obviously don't understand the essential contribution he made to that very thing you typed your post with, you know, "that computer."
Neither Edison nor Einstien have done anything interesting in a long time, but I would still be very interested to hear their opinions on a lot of things.
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They're dead, you dolt.
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
"it probably would have just bankrupted IBM"
Nope.
This was during a time when IBM was still rolling in the money from mainframe and midrange sales, the PC was a small part of their business.
Yes, because the only reason all of us are here reading slashdot is because money is the most important to us, and do everything in the interest of success.
You sir, are an idiot.
Jobs sucks a better male chicken.
if I claimed I was emperor just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
Congratulations, you _completely_ missed the point.
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Most college bookstores have Apple computers on display and you can order through the education site at the Apple Store. The student discount is usually $100 off and sometimes there are great rebates on software packages. I been seeing a lot more Apple laptops with the younger crowds at the local coffee houses.
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there was no point.
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
Ha. I bet that the majority of Apple users have never heard of Unix.
You wouldn't be using UNIX on your personal computer if not for Apple. They're the reason you can go to a store and buy a desktop computer for your home.
"Sufferin' succotash."
OS X on generic PC is perfectly doable. Maxxuss is your friend.
But I disagree about the hardware being undistinguishable: the design aesthetic (smooth seductive materials and shapes), practical functionality (wake from sleep in 2 secs and on the network), the little why-didn't-anyone-do-this-before features (eg, MagSafe on their recent laptop) make them the undisputed leaders of the domestic computer industry, design wise if not marketshare wise.
After all, there's got to be some reason why scores of new owners put up proud web pages filled with photos of them opening the damn box!
When he bought it from Lucasfilm it was essentially a rendering software development house that had made a few demo reels. Now it's the most successful producer of animated movies in the world.
John Lasseter has a lot more to do with that on a creative level, but on a business level it really is Jobs' baby.
to be honest this is gonna make apple the next apple II. macs just got relly easy to dev on every programer knoes the x86 platform. stuff like cedega will be on osx now sence macs are x86 now. with that in mind my next pc just might be a apple. its been a good 20 years sence i have been able to say that. macs in the past have been knothing more then good gfx machines and lacking everything else then osx came along and made macs more open to everyone and many usefull apps where relesed. now that there x86 alot of doors have opned for a mac. i think there gona be just as good as running linux on a normel pc with withhen the last few years has become pretty dammed good. this makes me wana buy apple again and i probly will when it comes time to replace my pc.
So, he reckons that Microsoft can improve their image by becoming "more like Apple".
Oh yeah, that'll really help.
Fairly likeable? I'm not rotten.com fanboy, but they got it right here: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/hackers/steve-wo zniak/
After all, I am strangely colored.
...and have a much, much smaller share of the market than they do now.
"It's like consorting with the enemy.""
Intel? The enemy? Wait... weren't PowerPC's made by IBM? For those who seen Pirates of the Silicon Valley, didn't the two Steves consider IBM as their enemy? You know, the stuck-up guys in black suits who did their stuff the same way they did in the 1950's, wasn't it IBM their enemy?
I thought that Steve Jobs would gladly go away from IBM, I recall that Apple has switched from Motorola CPU's to IBM while he was gone, and now he's changing to Intel, seems to make sence to me, since he hates IBM.
But Steve Wozniak's reaction, I really don't understand it, if anyone can explain me.
You just got troll'd!
If anything, his career as a serial startup-flop is longer and more sustained then his time at Apple.
Just about every multimillionaire will have a pile of serious flops under his belt. These people are risk takers. It's how they become rich. How about the Apple Newton? The Lisa? Failures from Apple under Steve Jobs' guidance.
The Newton didn't have anything to do with Jobs. It was started while he was at NeXT, and one of the first things he did upon returning to Apple was to kill the project.
Well, I've never owned a Portable computer, but the apple newton was the only one I've considered buying ever. It was waaaay ahead of it's time.
Truth be told, I haven't seen a good portable computer since then in terms of being ahead of it's time.
Also note that I've never owned an apple or a mac...
get out of the house once in a while, its Windoze users that are clueless about *nix
Sure - and many of them have multiple successes. But when the only thing you do is lend your name and a brief light bulb idea to the venture and then really don't do much day-to-day it's not rocket science why the new companies never get anyway.
there is no substitute for hard work - doesn't matter what your past achievements are - each new venture starts over and you can't have adult ADDS and get bored with it right after your start.