According to what I've read and seen on TV, the core of the Earth will solidify at some point before the Sun turns to a Red Giant. Once that happens, Earth will look roughly like what Mars looks like. Don't bother trying to move the planet, it won't help.
Methane isn't exclusive to life. It CAN be a byproduct, but as with planets (and moons) in our own solar system, methane isn't exactly a rare substance.
I was wondering what it would cost to build a ship to Uranus and transport a "really big" amount of Methane back here for use as fuel would cost...if it would be profitable given today's technology...
I just don't want to hear "Sir, she's gone from suck to blow" if/when we do it - lol...
I'll take on EVERYONE until someone shoots me with a spitwad and rolls 6, and another 6, and another 6, and another 6...crazy game was like bowling - where a small pistol could take out a troll, but a RPG couldn't...
Add to that, the reason for the change is something that happens naturally (global warming and cooling) - nature takes care of itself in spite of what we do. To think that we (a handful of industrialized nations) can have such an impact as to cause the "out of control" issue that the media portrays, we'd been extinct at the turn of the century - and I'm not talking about the one that happened a few years ago...
If we would just spent half the money researching this kind of junk in planting trees, we'd be better off - 1) Obvious CO2 reference 2) Shade, and 3) Cheaper wood to harvest.
Is CO2 the problem - no, water vapor is the problem. What do catalytic converters do to cars? convert the gases to water vapor. What are we pushing for? Hydrogen fueled cars - what will that produce as a by-product? Water vapor...
What does my user ID have to do with any of this?
My counterpoints:
1) Funny, it seems that there was a lot of waves being made then about it. If I recall what I've read, there even was some political platforms drawn up. Al Gore just has been successful with it, and has managed to get a lot of people to do the same. During the 60's and 70's, the last thing people wanted to hear about was how the Earth was in danger from some hippies. 30 years later, most of the hippies have grown up and are in a position where they have the means ($) to follow along. It's old hat...
2) 2005 was the hottest record? I would like to see the data on that - the hottest years on record were actually during the early 1900's, around the depression era...
3) Yeah, and there used to be a land bridge that early man crossed (and had crossed for many thousands of years). How could that happen, unless he oceans weren't as deep - meaning they were locked up in an ice-cap...but where...because the land bridge couldn't exist. Maybe it was all snowed over, but you'd have to think how early man would have gotten food on a snow-desert...speaking of which, you said 20% - if that's the case, then why aren't seawater levels higher? I'd expect a 20% decrease in ice caps to raise the depths of the oceans by at least 1 meter, yet nothing is mentioned about that.
In another post, you said that it's well documented that CO2 levels and global warming have a link - the effect cannot be the cause - global warming (and cooling) has shown that CO2 levels FOLLOW warming/cooling cycles - this *is* well documented. Someone made a mistake (or made a political platform) on flipping the data.
From my perspective, we've had a greater impact on global warming - not from CO2 or particulate matter (particulates cause rain, which does what? cools!) - but from running air conditioners and cars - in otherwords, it's trivial.
Are we that egotistical that we can think that we could have that much of an effect? We push nature, nature pushes (gently) back - we heat up the earth, more melting, more freshwater to evaporate to make clouds, rain attaches to particulates and falls to the earth, or stays in the atmosphere and blocks out the sun, again, causing cooling.
If anything, we'll cause an ice age, before we cause Earth to be the next Venus (which is the only conclusion I can think of where people can say - yeah, CO2 causes warming - just look at Venus! 800F Surface temps - who would have thought...what's that, no the orbit being closer to the sun doesn't have anything to do with it..."
Heck, Earth has a non-circular orbit - I don't know if it's eliptical or off-center eliptical, but it's not round - and we just discovered that within the past 50 years.
I think we're really just a bunch of chickens running around with our heads cut off...
Funny, I didn't say anything about oil. Perhaps you have an agenda you'd like to share?
The topic here is Global Warming and man's contribution. 30-50 years ago (a timespan, not an estimate), people were thinking that we had an impending ice age, and something had to be done about it.
In the 80's and 90's, it was about the Ozone Hole. Turns out, it grows and shrinks on it's own.
Are those the same thousands of climatologists that were proping up the Ozone Hole issue?
Give a lab enough money to find the results you want, and they'll find a way to get them.
The whole global warming issue is cyclic. It even follows the pattern of the sun. His data is flawed, his platform is based on media frenzy and hype.
I can't believe they'd give someone that high of an award based on lies.
And, no, this isn't political - this is a matter of truth vs propoganda. In 10-50 years, when the media is crying about the coming ice age, maybe then...nah - they'll "forget"...
If someone spends 10 minutes researching the issue, instead of eating the cornbread and drinking the kool-aid, we'd have a lot of people asking questions that need to be asked.
but how is it when things are bought and sold by an individual it is [sometimes] taxable - for instance, a car or a house, but in other instances it is not - like buying a guitar from someone.
I'm currently selling a lot of my musical equipment. Should I have a LOT more than what I have, at what point is it considered income? I mean, I bought it with my income, paid tax on it at that point, and then I go to sell it later.
While I think taxes are a joke (we pay way more in than what we get in return as a society), I do what I'm supposed to do. Just I don't understand the double-taxing of certain goods, and/or why the feds can get involved when a person sells to another.
If it's a storefront, even then, the inter-state e-commerce sales tax doesn't exist. If I go to Texas (I live in Oklahoma) and buy something, I'm expected to pay the tax on it. At the same point, if I buy it online, and have it shipped from Texas, I don't. Anyhow...taxes are confusing - and I think they intend it that way.
Still comes from records - 16bit/44.1K isn't as accurate as a record - much like a digital camera isn't as good as a film camera.
That said, with 24bit/192K we're certainly getting pretty close. (same with the uber-pixel cameras)
Slow drivers don't cause accidents - idiots who aren't aware of their surroundings and/or are agressive with their driving do.
When did it become OK to drive like your a member of NASCAR on public streets?
It's real fun when you're on a motorcycle going 65MPH, and there's some jackhead close enough behind you in a SUV and you can hear that he has a lifter ticking in his engine...
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It would be easiest to apply the "patch" to a woman's ovaries.
According to what I've read and seen on TV, the core of the Earth will solidify at some point before the Sun turns to a Red Giant. Once that happens, Earth will look roughly like what Mars looks like. Don't bother trying to move the planet, it won't help.
I was thinking the same thing.
Methane isn't exclusive to life. It CAN be a byproduct, but as with planets (and moons) in our own solar system, methane isn't exactly a rare substance.
I was wondering what it would cost to build a ship to Uranus and transport a "really big" amount of Methane back here for use as fuel would cost...if it would be profitable given today's technology...
I just don't want to hear "Sir, she's gone from suck to blow" if/when we do it - lol...
and build Spaceball 1?
Funny, I thought those stickers (thanks Tipper Gore - lol) were already addressing that.
Gotta love how our government (doesn't) works
Maybe that's just what they want us to think...
Stimpatches here I come!
Someone gimmie 20 of them!
I'll take on EVERYONE until someone shoots me with a spitwad and rolls 6, and another 6, and another 6, and another 6...crazy game was like bowling - where a small pistol could take out a troll, but a RPG couldn't...
Don't tase me bro!
What do they really think they'll get out of this, other than lining the pockets of a few lawyers?
That'll screw up his whole anti-gun agenda....
Hmm, maybe not - there's lead in them that bullets....
I see even higher airline fares.
Add to that, the reason for the change is something that happens naturally (global warming and cooling) - nature takes care of itself in spite of what we do. To think that we (a handful of industrialized nations) can have such an impact as to cause the "out of control" issue that the media portrays, we'd been extinct at the turn of the century - and I'm not talking about the one that happened a few years ago...
If we would just spent half the money researching this kind of junk in planting trees, we'd be better off - 1) Obvious CO2 reference 2) Shade, and 3) Cheaper wood to harvest.
Is CO2 the problem - no, water vapor is the problem. What do catalytic converters do to cars? convert the gases to water vapor. What are we pushing for? Hydrogen fueled cars - what will that produce as a by-product? Water vapor...
References:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1110_051110_warming.html
There are others, but I'm not going to bother, since I bet this will fall mostly on deaf ears...
Sorry, spelling error - Hasselhoff
I mean, think of the possiblities for a joke here... David Hasslehofe anyone? Sounds like a Conan O'Brian skit waiting to happen... lol
What does my user ID have to do with any of this? My counterpoints: 1) Funny, it seems that there was a lot of waves being made then about it. If I recall what I've read, there even was some political platforms drawn up. Al Gore just has been successful with it, and has managed to get a lot of people to do the same. During the 60's and 70's, the last thing people wanted to hear about was how the Earth was in danger from some hippies. 30 years later, most of the hippies have grown up and are in a position where they have the means ($) to follow along. It's old hat... 2) 2005 was the hottest record? I would like to see the data on that - the hottest years on record were actually during the early 1900's, around the depression era... 3) Yeah, and there used to be a land bridge that early man crossed (and had crossed for many thousands of years). How could that happen, unless he oceans weren't as deep - meaning they were locked up in an ice-cap...but where...because the land bridge couldn't exist. Maybe it was all snowed over, but you'd have to think how early man would have gotten food on a snow-desert...speaking of which, you said 20% - if that's the case, then why aren't seawater levels higher? I'd expect a 20% decrease in ice caps to raise the depths of the oceans by at least 1 meter, yet nothing is mentioned about that. In another post, you said that it's well documented that CO2 levels and global warming have a link - the effect cannot be the cause - global warming (and cooling) has shown that CO2 levels FOLLOW warming/cooling cycles - this *is* well documented. Someone made a mistake (or made a political platform) on flipping the data. From my perspective, we've had a greater impact on global warming - not from CO2 or particulate matter (particulates cause rain, which does what? cools!) - but from running air conditioners and cars - in otherwords, it's trivial. Are we that egotistical that we can think that we could have that much of an effect? We push nature, nature pushes (gently) back - we heat up the earth, more melting, more freshwater to evaporate to make clouds, rain attaches to particulates and falls to the earth, or stays in the atmosphere and blocks out the sun, again, causing cooling. If anything, we'll cause an ice age, before we cause Earth to be the next Venus (which is the only conclusion I can think of where people can say - yeah, CO2 causes warming - just look at Venus! 800F Surface temps - who would have thought...what's that, no the orbit being closer to the sun doesn't have anything to do with it..." Heck, Earth has a non-circular orbit - I don't know if it's eliptical or off-center eliptical, but it's not round - and we just discovered that within the past 50 years. I think we're really just a bunch of chickens running around with our heads cut off...
Amazing - it happens to correspond with the temperature "fears" relating to Global Warming and Cooling.
During the 60's and 70's, there was talk of a near-future Ice Age. During the 90's and today, there is talk of the ice caps melting and so on.
Here is a link to an interesting article - but it seems some tree-hugger sheeple won't believe it. http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html
Funny, I didn't say anything about oil. Perhaps you have an agenda you'd like to share? The topic here is Global Warming and man's contribution. 30-50 years ago (a timespan, not an estimate), people were thinking that we had an impending ice age, and something had to be done about it. In the 80's and 90's, it was about the Ozone Hole. Turns out, it grows and shrinks on it's own.
Are those the same thousands of climatologists that were proping up the Ozone Hole issue? Give a lab enough money to find the results you want, and they'll find a way to get them.
The whole global warming issue is cyclic. It even follows the pattern of the sun. His data is flawed, his platform is based on media frenzy and hype.
I can't believe they'd give someone that high of an award based on lies.
And, no, this isn't political - this is a matter of truth vs propoganda. In 10-50 years, when the media is crying about the coming ice age, maybe then...nah - they'll "forget"...
If someone spends 10 minutes researching the issue, instead of eating the cornbread and drinking the kool-aid, we'd have a lot of people asking questions that need to be asked.
but how is it when things are bought and sold by an individual it is [sometimes] taxable - for instance, a car or a house, but in other instances it is not - like buying a guitar from someone.
I'm currently selling a lot of my musical equipment. Should I have a LOT more than what I have, at what point is it considered income? I mean, I bought it with my income, paid tax on it at that point, and then I go to sell it later.
While I think taxes are a joke (we pay way more in than what we get in return as a society), I do what I'm supposed to do. Just I don't understand the double-taxing of certain goods, and/or why the feds can get involved when a person sells to another.
If it's a storefront, even then, the inter-state e-commerce sales tax doesn't exist. If I go to Texas (I live in Oklahoma) and buy something, I'm expected to pay the tax on it. At the same point, if I buy it online, and have it shipped from Texas, I don't. Anyhow...taxes are confusing - and I think they intend it that way.
Sounds like fun - where do I sign up?
:)
I'll finally be able to tell everyone exactly how long someone can live in space without a suit, what the weather is like and so on.
Fibre, Fiber - in the poo-pipe, we have both kinds!
Still comes from records - 16bit/44.1K isn't as accurate as a record - much like a digital camera isn't as good as a film camera. That said, with 24bit/192K we're certainly getting pretty close. (same with the uber-pixel cameras)
We shall call this new Technology:
Way to go Anywhere Really Phast
Or WARP
Slow drivers don't cause accidents - idiots who aren't aware of their surroundings and/or are agressive with their driving do. When did it become OK to drive like your a member of NASCAR on public streets? It's real fun when you're on a motorcycle going 65MPH, and there's some jackhead close enough behind you in a SUV and you can hear that he has a lifter ticking in his engine...