Maybe they'd start in neighborhoods where some jackass with a 9mm thought he could try to be some kind of hero.
Nope, they'd start where they met no resistance at all such as your home or your mind. After they've taken over this group of people though either indoctrination or brute force. then they start in on the neighborhoods where there is a _group_ of jackasses all with 9mms.
Some very strong language was said in there but you're right.
too many people think there are grey areas and that law is something to be played with and twisted with language. Law is suppose to be about commonsense. If someone uses twists and turns to interpret the law instead of the black and white meaning then make no mistake. that is an attack on you and things you care about.
Thank god the constitution was such a well written document or lawyers would have ripped it to peices by now. They're still trying but we're lucky to still have judges out there who use common sense in what context the constitution was written in.
What apparently is happening is that lawyers are trying to convince judges that what Jefferson and the Writers of the constitution meant by "militia" was a national guard type of organization. Nothing could be further from the truth. People can try and twist what was in the constitution all they want but even a moron knows the idea behind the gun law was not to protect people from Russia, or to protect people from theft, or to protect people from gang members.. it was to protect us from our own government. And now these laywers are trying to convince us they meant to _only_ give guns to national organizations such as the National Guard? Take a look at what people in this country are trying to do to the law and you can see just how important things like gun rights really are.
As for lil 9mm's being no match for tanks those ppl are right. But where is the logic in saying well 9mm's dont work let them do what they want, might as well give them our guns. Thats a retarded statement I've heard over and over. They dont have a tank for every home. someone has to get out of that tank and knock on my door. Think about how much easier it is for someone to control a society who feels its futile to fight? Thats their goal and people are way too happy to just hand it over.
Had they (terrorists/freedom fighters) succeeded would this article be here complaining about we cant bring on toothpaste, or would we be talking about the 10-20 planes and thousands of people who died today?
Doesn't Ubuntu have its roots in Debian? Why should we ditch Mandrake or Slackware? I happen to like Mandrake a lot.
Yes Ubuntu has roots in debian but so does like 90 other distro's out there. Problem with this crowd is in 3-4 years when ppl are tired of ubuntu they'll switch to the next latest and greatest thing. This community changes too much. I would bet 50k (if i had it) that Ubuntu will be forked into a project that initially has some support then dies taking have of ubunto's users with it who eventually switch to something else instead of going back to the original Ubuntu, This happens over and over and over. This is why Fedora/RedHat will succeed. Their goal is to do everything but in a modular way. (seperate core from extras, from non free) It supports several arch's so no fork there. It has KDE with it so no forks there.. I can go on. The idea is have the whole kitchen sink just make sure all the peices can be removed/added as needed and that not too much is tied into its core.
why support Fedora?
Cause its got more new technology than any other distro, point blank.
what out now has selinux with over 80 daemons protected, exec shield, GFS, xen, gcc 4 with many more security protections, GCJ, nativly compiled eclipse. I could go on but you get the idea. Fedora doesn't just package things, alot of the new things it does are written from scratch by the people working on the project.
Gentoo is the only thing that comes close in terms of new tech but they are very different systems and goals.
Yes having it "their way" is a nice option but who do you think gets more money the Resturant that makes great steaks or Fast food. If Linux wants a larger chunk of the market its going to have to reach more people. And that means simple.. not 47 different choices which none work the same. A standard base isn't even a solution we just flat out need less distro's IMO.
I agree. Mr. Money bags of Ubuntu would have been better off putting money behind Fedora (like helping to fund the fedora legacy project) It would not be a duplicate of work yet the OS have the same goals. Now he's in competition with a company that invests 20 fold what he does, have many of the top developers and most of the mind share. Eventually one man with one bank account wont be able to compete with a billion dollar company that continues to improve with each release.
Why does every country and every idea _need_ to fork a distro? Debian stable, Gentoo, and fedora should be the only free distros (other than nitch players that do specific things of course). Almost everything is covered under these three. Only keeping SuSE and RedHat to compete for the money market (always have atleast two when it comes to money market)
For all these people who think humans are cockroaches and are destroying the enviornment. Where do you think these people live? Most probably want to live in "nature" as it was intended so I go out and cut down 20 trees and build a house for them in the hills overlooking that disgusting city you hate so much, hypocrites.
Fedora is a "GUI distro" why do people think if there is a GUI scripting or CLI commands are not allowed? For every system-config* tool Fedora has there is an ncurses app, or file you can edit with VI that is compatible.
When someone says CLI is more powerfull what they are really saying is, my favorite distro doesn't have a GUI for everything yet. Look guys, we all use the same apps, just some of us have the _OPTION_ of using a GUI to configure it. It doesn't make us less intelligent than you.
Because it costs too much money to support two desktops.
Most (smart) distro's try to only officially 'support' one app. only firefox, only xine, only OOffice. If someone thinks K office is better then its still there but most of that development was done by a KDEish distro. and if someone on SUSe thinks gedit is better most of that work comes from RedHat guys. see how it works? we don't have to do aggressive development on every application included in the OS. they do the aggressive development in the direction they want to go, but include the apps other shops are aggressivly developing.
How could you forget this is slashdot? every other comment is fanaticism. I try to only read linux articles but I still can't avoid every thread being made into why the USA is evil.
Only a slashdotter could turn Cuba into beacon of freedom, and the US as the one with "misplaced ideology" But getting a +5 insightful? Now THAT caught me by surprise.
The founding father's of the USA believed that dissent was key to democracy, now you are "unpatriotic" or "with the terrorists" if you sway from the party line
Certainly some people feel that way, but some people are morons who think how marketing tells them to.
Your economy speaks for itself, and if you argue that you clearly don't know anything about economics and I'll just ignore you. I only have modest investments in the US, but even I have lost thousands.
It all depends on what your investements are in, that money you lost?... someone else got it. This is the point I wish I had time to address earlier but I can now. saying our economy sucks and if i disagree i have no crediblity but I think something similar for one who thinks the economy is a static thing. Say we had the best cars 30 years ago or whatever, then Japan took over and we went onto something else. Now Japan hands cars to Korea, and korea handed thier "manufacturing" to China, Just like India gets software, etc. That is the business many people fail to comprehend. You let go of one branch to grab another. The smart people know when to let go and do something else, that is partly why Russia fell. they were not willing to 'share' their technology like the rest of the world does, instead of keeping $100 and giving a smaller country $80 they wanted the $180. Believe it or not America lets that $80 go that is why the world _allows_ us to lead in many things.
Think about this S.Korea spends a year making 1 million cars, we buy from them at cheaper prices we can't compete with right? Thier profit is $100 million Okay now we sell them the rights to show starwars the movie getting a percentage from every ticket sold, and we just made back that 1 million cars worth of profit.
In the future maybe India takes all our IT jobs and we buy 20 billion bucks worth of software from them, but hey, they buy one space shuttle from us and there is our 20 Billion back.. get what i'm trying to say? There is 100 examples like the above two but the end result is always the same.
Right now Europe is trying to build a bull market there like we have here where they feed you alot of confidence things. "were going to have a great future be happy and buy stuff" You're being trained for the arrogance many people so much despise in Americans. Right now many think China is ready to take over. How can they? Nobody will follow someone who has no vision that is why people still listen to Japan, the USA, Europe cause they are the ones with the ideas. China can certainly be strong no doubt about it. But to take over? they've had Armys throughout history that could crush everyone but never did.. why?
Democracy, well where to begin? OK, every US election for the past thirty years was won by the one that spent the most money.
Ross Perot a few elections ago. not that it really matters when you're talking about 250 million each anyway. Its not like bush spent much more. they both broke records in fundrasing/spending so what if Bush had one more commercial at 7 million bucks a pop. The presidency isnt won because one guy could afford another commercial. Bush won because just over half of our country isn't ready to be 'progressive' just yet. after all the talking heads and thinktanks make noise thats what it really comes down to. Europe is there, we are not and may never be.
The biggest problem is that most people, like yourself, seem to take it personally.
Yes, a little. Its hard to not take it personally when everyone is saying your whole country is stupid for voting Bush when his buddy Blair's party just won its 3rd term. You're so busy yelling at us as a reflex you forget to look in the mirror.
We all have to live on this planet together, and we'd all appreciate if you could try and take care of your little part of it.
Agreed thats why countries like Iraq, and N. Korea upset the ballance we've all built. Like mentioned earlier how the economies work,
I'd love to go point by point on your bulletpoints but I have to get to work so I'll address the 'theme' you're making things seem worse than they are but for what reason? Why are you trying to make the US seem like its on its death bed sick and can hardly move? Is this what the BBC is saying these days? our freedom is gone, our democracy, our economy are all dead? I can tell you things are not as bad as you want them to be.
I know its "in" to hate the USA (certainly on this site) but this story shows the desperation of people to show how the "USA is losing it" and this is the best they can come up with? That is testement to just how darned strong the USA still is.
While the rest of the world is trying so hard to show up the americans, the US is busy working on the next technology that will leave half of the world in the dust. Cars were suppose to be the end of the US, but little did they know about this TCP/computers thingy being worked on. Now the rest of the world fights over broadband while we're up on mars studying the water we just found. Think about it.
Normally this isn't worth mentioning but this is a geek site where people need to know facts. Churchill didnt even say that on the radio in 1940 ( a week after the loss at dunkirk). Infact it was an actor named Normal Shelly filling in for the prime minister cause he was "too busy".
The speech credited by many historians as a turning point in the war and it was said by an actor.. blah.
for a site that lives and dies by "competition is great" you'd think two voices would be welcomed in politics. I watch Fox and BBC, both are full of crap but I'm not so far gone I think Bush is a Nazi, or A Hero. The truth is in the middle somewhere and if you only listen to one side of the argument.. ah hell with it, i bet most of you are the guy that laughs at commercials and repeats things said in advertisements.
But fedora does have a net install, over NFS, FTP, HTTP, etc. get the boot.iso ftp://fedora.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/test/3.91/i386/os/images/boot.iso
In this thread I've heard Fluxbox, openbox, icewm, etc While the obvious answer to me seems to be XFCE4. Isn't this the most significant lightweight wm since the days of blackbox ruling the mountain?
You've obviously never taken the RHCE It is not easy and certainly not MCSE. LPI failure rate is 54% and RHCE failure rate is 57% This can easly be someone not getting a slackware/debian/mandrake/suse question right. The RHCE is vender neutral cert with the exception of a few one or two Kickstart and Anaconda questions. For instance when you go in to the test room you are pointed to a box that wont turn on, its your job to make it run hands on within a few hours. How you can say you can pass it without ever touching linux is incorrect to say the least.
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Maybe they'd start in neighborhoods where some jackass with a 9mm thought he could try to be some kind of hero.
Nope, they'd start where they met no resistance at all such as your home or your mind. After they've taken over this group of people though either indoctrination or brute force. then they start in on the neighborhoods where there is a _group_ of jackasses all with 9mms.
Excellent work, excellent.
Some very strong language was said in there but you're right.
too many people think there are grey areas and that law is something to be played with and twisted with language. Law is suppose to be about commonsense. If someone uses twists and turns to interpret the law instead of the black and white meaning then make no mistake. that is an attack on you and things you care about.
Thank god the constitution was such a well written document or lawyers would have ripped it to peices by now. They're still trying but we're lucky to still have judges out there who use common sense in what context the constitution was written in.
What apparently is happening is that lawyers are trying to convince judges that what Jefferson and the Writers of the constitution meant by "militia" was a national guard type of organization. Nothing could be further from the truth. People can try and twist what was in the constitution all they want but even a moron knows the idea behind the gun law was not to protect people from Russia, or to protect people from theft, or to protect people from gang members.. it was to protect us from our own government. And now these laywers are trying to convince us they meant to _only_ give guns to national organizations such as the National Guard? Take a look at what people in this country are trying to do to the law and you can see just how important things like gun rights really are. As for lil 9mm's being no match for tanks those ppl are right. But where is the logic in saying well 9mm's dont work let them do what they want, might as well give them our guns. Thats a retarded statement I've heard over and over. They dont have a tank for every home. someone has to get out of that tank and knock on my door. Think about how much easier it is for someone to control a society who feels its futile to fight? Thats their goal and people are way too happy to just hand it over.
Had they (terrorists/freedom fighters) succeeded would this article be here complaining about we cant bring on toothpaste, or would we be talking about the 10-20 planes and thousands of people who died today?
Doesn't Ubuntu have its roots in Debian? Why should we ditch Mandrake or Slackware? I happen to like Mandrake a lot.
Yes Ubuntu has roots in debian but so does like 90 other distro's out there. Problem with this crowd is in 3-4 years when ppl are tired of ubuntu they'll switch to the next latest and greatest thing. This community changes too much. I would bet 50k (if i had it) that Ubuntu will be forked into a project that initially has some support then dies taking have of ubunto's users with it who eventually switch to something else instead of going back to the original Ubuntu, This happens over and over and over. This is why Fedora/RedHat will succeed. Their goal is to do everything but in a modular way. (seperate core from extras, from non free) It supports several arch's so no fork there. It has KDE with it so no forks there.. I can go on. The idea is have the whole kitchen sink just make sure all the peices can be removed/added as needed and that not too much is tied into its core.
why support Fedora? Cause its got more new technology than any other distro, point blank. what out now has selinux with over 80 daemons protected, exec shield, GFS, xen, gcc 4 with many more security protections, GCJ, nativly compiled eclipse. I could go on but you get the idea. Fedora doesn't just package things, alot of the new things it does are written from scratch by the people working on the project. Gentoo is the only thing that comes close in terms of new tech but they are very different systems and goals.
Yes having it "their way" is a nice option but who do you think gets more money the Resturant that makes great steaks or Fast food. If Linux wants a larger chunk of the market its going to have to reach more people. And that means simple.. not 47 different choices which none work the same. A standard base isn't even a solution we just flat out need less distro's IMO.
I agree. Mr. Money bags of Ubuntu would have been better off putting money behind Fedora (like helping to fund the fedora legacy project) It would not be a duplicate of work yet the OS have the same goals. Now he's in competition with a company that invests 20 fold what he does, have many of the top developers and most of the mind share. Eventually one man with one bank account wont be able to compete with a billion dollar company that continues to improve with each release.
Why does every country and every idea _need_ to fork a distro? Debian stable, Gentoo, and fedora should be the only free distros (other than nitch players that do specific things of course). Almost everything is covered under these three. Only keeping SuSE and RedHat to compete for the money market (always have atleast two when it comes to money market)
For all these people who think humans are cockroaches and are destroying the enviornment. Where do you think these people live? Most probably want to live in "nature" as it was intended so I go out and cut down 20 trees and build a house for them in the hills overlooking that disgusting city you hate so much, hypocrites.
Fedora is a "GUI distro" why do people think if there is a GUI scripting or CLI commands are not allowed? For every system-config* tool Fedora has there is an ncurses app, or file you can edit with VI that is compatible.
When someone says CLI is more powerfull what they are really saying is, my favorite distro doesn't have a GUI for everything yet. Look guys, we all use the same apps, just some of us have the _OPTION_ of using a GUI to configure it. It doesn't make us less intelligent than you.
Learn to do things without pretty GUIs . That's the best way to learn
I'm still learning when using a GUI, I'm just learning how to do a task without reading a manpage.
Surely they mean the world's biggest cracker?
Now if only we can somehow capture the worlds biggest bowl of soup!
Because it costs too much money to support two desktops.
Most (smart) distro's try to only officially 'support' one app. only firefox, only xine, only OOffice. If someone thinks K office is better then its still there but most of that development was done by a KDEish distro. and if someone on SUSe thinks gedit is better most of that work comes from RedHat guys. see how it works? we don't have to do aggressive development on every application included in the OS. they do the aggressive development in the direction they want to go, but include the apps other shops are aggressivly developing.
How could you forget this is slashdot? every other comment is fanaticism.
I try to only read linux articles but I still can't avoid every thread being made into why the USA is evil.
Only a slashdotter could turn Cuba into beacon of freedom, and the US as the one with "misplaced ideology" But getting a +5 insightful? Now THAT caught me by surprise.
The founding father's of the USA believed that dissent was key to democracy, now you are "unpatriotic" or "with the terrorists" if you sway from the party line
Certainly some people feel that way, but some people are morons who think how marketing tells them to.
Your economy speaks for itself, and if you argue that you clearly don't know anything about economics and I'll just ignore you. I only have modest investments in the US, but even I have lost thousands.
It all depends on what your investements are in, that money you lost?... someone else got it. This is the point I wish I had time to address earlier but I can now. saying our economy sucks and if i disagree i have no crediblity but I think something similar for one who thinks the economy is a static thing.
Say we had the best cars 30 years ago or whatever, then Japan took over and we went onto something else. Now Japan hands cars to Korea, and korea handed thier "manufacturing" to China, Just like India gets software, etc. That is the business many people fail to comprehend. You let go of one branch to grab another. The smart people know when to let go and do something else, that is partly why Russia fell. they were not willing to 'share' their technology like the rest of the world does, instead of keeping $100 and giving a smaller country $80 they wanted the $180. Believe it or not America lets that $80 go that is why the world _allows_ us to lead in many things.
Think about this S.Korea spends a year making 1 million cars, we buy from them at cheaper prices we can't compete with right? Thier profit is $100 million Okay now we sell them the rights to show starwars the movie getting a percentage from every ticket sold, and we just made back that 1 million cars worth of profit.
In the future maybe India takes all our IT jobs and we buy 20 billion bucks worth of software from them, but hey, they buy one space shuttle from us and there is our 20 Billion back.. get what i'm trying to say? There is 100 examples like the above two but the end result is always the same.
Right now Europe is trying to build a bull market there like we have here where they feed you alot of confidence things. "were going to have a great future be happy and buy stuff" You're being trained for the arrogance many people so much despise in Americans. Right now many think China is ready to take over. How can they? Nobody will follow someone who has no vision that is why people still listen to Japan, the USA, Europe cause they are the ones with the ideas. China can certainly be strong no doubt about it. But to take over? they've had Armys throughout history that could crush everyone but never did.. why?
Democracy, well where to begin? OK, every US election for the past thirty years was won by the one that spent the most money.
Ross Perot a few elections ago. not that it really matters when you're talking about 250 million each anyway. Its not like bush spent much more. they both broke records in fundrasing/spending so what if Bush had one more commercial at 7 million bucks a pop. The presidency isnt won because one guy could afford another commercial. Bush won because just over half of our country isn't ready to be 'progressive' just yet. after all the talking heads and thinktanks make noise thats what it really comes down to. Europe is there, we are not and may never be.
The biggest problem is that most people, like yourself, seem to take it personally.
Yes, a little. Its hard to not take it personally when everyone is saying your whole country is stupid for voting Bush when his buddy Blair's party just won its 3rd term. You're so busy yelling at us as a reflex you forget to look in the mirror.
We all have to live on this planet together, and we'd all appreciate if you could try and take care of your little part of it.
Agreed thats why countries like Iraq, and N. Korea upset the ballance we've all built. Like mentioned earlier how the economies work,
I'd love to go point by point on your bulletpoints but I have to get to work so I'll address the 'theme' you're making things seem worse than they are but for what reason? Why are you trying to make the US seem like its on its death bed sick and can hardly move? Is this what the BBC is saying these days? our freedom is gone, our democracy, our economy are all dead? I can tell you things are not as bad as you want them to be.
I know its "in" to hate the USA (certainly on this site) but this story shows the desperation of people to show how the "USA is losing it" and this is the best they can come up with? That is testement to just how darned strong the USA still is. While the rest of the world is trying so hard to show up the americans, the US is busy working on the next technology that will leave half of the world in the dust. Cars were suppose to be the end of the US, but little did they know about this TCP/computers thingy being worked on. Now the rest of the world fights over broadband while we're up on mars studying the water we just found. Think about it.
Normally this isn't worth mentioning but this is a geek site where people need to know facts. Churchill didnt even say that on the radio in 1940 ( a week after the loss at dunkirk). Infact it was an actor named Normal Shelly filling in for the prime minister cause he was "too busy". The speech credited by many historians as a turning point in the war and it was said by an actor.. blah.
for a site that lives and dies by "competition is great" you'd think two voices would be welcomed in politics. I watch Fox and BBC, both are full of crap but I'm not so far gone I think Bush is a Nazi, or A Hero. The truth is in the middle somewhere and if you only listen to one side of the argument.. ah hell with it, i bet most of you are the guy that laughs at commercials and repeats things said in advertisements.
But fedora does have a net install, over NFS, FTP, HTTP, etc. get the boot.iso ftp://fedora.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/co re/test/3.91/i386/os/images/boot.iso
In this thread I've heard Fluxbox, openbox, icewm, etc While the obvious answer to me seems to be XFCE4. Isn't this the most significant lightweight wm since the days of blackbox ruling the mountain?
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Not sure if this is funny, but that was its intention.
You've obviously never taken the RHCE It is not easy and certainly not MCSE. LPI failure rate is 54% and RHCE failure rate is 57% This can easly be someone not getting a slackware/debian/mandrake/suse question right. The RHCE is vender neutral cert with the exception of a few one or two Kickstart and Anaconda questions. For instance when you go in to the test room you are pointed to a box that wont turn on, its your job to make it run hands on within a few hours. How you can say you can pass it without ever touching linux is incorrect to say the least.