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World's Biggest Hacker Held
Hieronymus Howard writes "The London Evening Standard is reporting that the "worlds biggest computer hacker" has been arrested in London.
Gary McKinnon, 39, was seized by the Met's extradition unit at his Wood Green home.
The unemployed former computer engineer is accused of causing the U.S. government $1 billion of damage by breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and NASA. He is likely to be extradited to America to face eight counts of computer crime in 14 states and could be jailed for 70 years. Apparently he broke into U.S. military computers to hunt for evidence of a UFO cover-up."
"Apparently he broke into US military computers to hunt for evidence of a UFO cover-up."
It sounds like an excuse to me.
So is the guy really nutty or is this just an attempt to justify his illegal activities?
Then again, perhaps he was on to something?
It could be worse, it could be Monday.
$1 billion damages? honestly - how do they come up with these figures?
they'd do better hiring this guy to teach their sysadmins a thing or two.
I don't believe that this guy is the world's biggest hacker. Have you seen Cowboy Neal??? Now that's big!
This guy was looking for UFOs. In Soviet Russia, UFOs look for you!
We all know that if he was an uber-hacker he would have created a Beowulf cluster of all the computers he hacked.
One billion in damages? That number has to be inflated. (Actually the article says 570000 pounds which is only about 1 Million US dollars according to my currency calculator)
Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.
The same response this hacker got while trying to find UFO info...
My guess is that the WBH is about 400+ lbs.
its got men in black and everything!!!
Hey, is this a world's biggest hacker story about the world's biggest hacker? How many times can you say world's biggest hacker in one headline? World's biggest hacker!
If you do $1 Billion worth of damage just to look for UFO conspiracy information, you deserve to be locked up.
Although this could help his insanity plea.
So just big is he? 7 foot? 300 pounds?
The police have apologized to his mother for kicking in her door, but it was the only way they could reach the basement.
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Measured by his waistline or "achievments"? Praise the Lard!
LOL..
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If you're that good you're doomed to either be retarded or wacko.
This obviously proves it
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Did he find any evidence of a UFO cover-up?
There are a lot of chubby mo-fo's sitting in front of computers late at night these days. This guy must be pretty damn big...
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OMG, they finally caught JeffK!?
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Really? Because he broke into a Pentagon network? That just makes him stupid; if he were really a big hacker, he'd be doing blackhat corporate work. UFOs! Yeah...whatever.
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...with rebar reinforced concrete and a titanium foundation. The cell contains the world's largest hamster wheel. The hacking behemoth eats over 5000 calories a day.
Is he really the worlds biggest hacker if he got caught?
Did he find evidence of UFOs? Were they hot babes from space?
Evolution or ID?
1 Beeelllion Dollars?
Where do they get that from? If that's really the case, it would only take about 6,000 people to cause enough damage to double the national debt!
The article doesn't mention anything anywhere about pure damages, for starters. It mentions the costs associated with tracking and capturing the guy, and costs correcting some of the problems - combined. Those costs are listed as 570,000 pounds. At the exchange rate I just looked up (1.83 dollars to a pound), that's still only 1,054,500 dollars, which is more like a meeelllion dollars. Even if they tack on the 950,000 pound in fines, that's still not even three million.
That's a far cry from a billion... and about two million less than the damages Kevin Mitnick was supposed to have caused.
Frankly, they should have just let this guy find some "evidence" of UFOs. Then he might have spent his time trying to convince people of it instead of looking for more!
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UFO Cover-up, eh? So, please do tell what he found! And if you don't know anything, feel free to make something up ;-).
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"World's biggest hacker held By Rob Singh, Evening Standard 8 June 2005 A London man described as the..."
Could it be any more copy and pasted? A little re-write or some formatting wouldn't hurt would it?
He wasn't onto anything. He found nothing. Nothing at all. He did not hack into our databases or steal information. Never happened. Never.
How does they measure the damage done by a single person. 1 billion sounds awful, and if it is this single person that has done so much damage, one must ask how he can do that. I have a feeling it falls back to relaxed security, lazy sysadins and such. And how does they compute how much damage he has done? I guess some corps use the chance to do changes when restoring, so they might in fact get a lot new, which might be incorporated into the costs. Also, destroying a solution that costed $1M to make does not mean it'll cost $1M to reimplement it... So my guess is that those costs is a bit bogus, at best.
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Sooo......
Exactly how large is he?
Man they need to do their fact checking a bit more. That guy looks like he's 160 lbs. tops. I know I've seen some hackers top over 300 lbs. They're a bit wilier though.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
is dat bad wut that guy did ??? i mean seriously omg i dont get it :(
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Surely they mean the world's biggest cracker?
Well, it looks like this guy's dream will come true and he'll get that anal probe he's been searching for. Too bad it'll be by some big, hairy dude instead of a big, hairy alien dude.
when police came to arrest him he swallowed all those pills he was offering for sale, via email THEN he was the biggest.
Apparently he broke into US military computers to hunt for evidence of a UFO cover-up.
Did he find any?
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rediculous.
How big is he? 300 lbs? 400? He must be huge!
The question now is whether the government will attempt a plea deal and put him to work like we've seen in other cases. With jails full, it seems rather silly to put such useful talent behind bars when he really isn't a threat to society. Plus, he could be our secret weapon against those vicious North Koreans. He's got to be worth at least 100 NK's if he's the "biggest in the world, right?"
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"World's biggest hacker"...
He must be what, like 400 pounds?
Now that they have him, they're bringing him back to the states to work for the US government!
breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa.
Their most secure computers should be those that are not connected to any network.
I don't need a signature.
...but discovering an anal probing seems a distinct possibility.
Possibly, or is that "damage" in the sense of "music theft". Used in a sentence here:
He exposed how inadequate our systems are and upgrading them cost $1 billion dollars; therefore he did $1 billion dollars worth of damage.
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Surly not much bigger than 15 stones I would say.
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"World's Biggest Hacker", yes we get the idea. We don't need to read it 4 times before we get to the end of the second sentence.
According to this, he's free on bail:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4071708.stm
If he gets extradited, I'm sure he'll be covered up along with the rest of the evidence of UFOs.
It'll be the next conspiracy...
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Maybe it's just me, but any device connected to any other device is no longer to be considered as secure.
I would have guessed that the gubbermint's "most secure computers" would be airgapped, but apparently that is not the case. Or, perhaps, the author of TFA is being just a bit sensational and overdramatic. ;)
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> "World's biggest hacker held By Rob Singh"
So how much did he weigh?
The Evening Standard releases The Metro and Evening Standard Lite. All are rubbish.
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Here is the photo that Reuters released for this news story. It shows the worlds biggest hacker successfully getting into the Pentagon's secret UFO research labs.
He looks kinda feminine to me...
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"Most of the alleged hacking took place in 2001 and 2002. At one stage the US thought it was the work of the al Qaeda terror network. "
OK, so this must have been some serious stuff going down for them to think that he was al Qaeda. Or was it?
"Friends said that he broke into the networks from his home computer to try to prove his theory that the US was covering up the existence of UFOs. "
Uh oh, we're talking mentally off here.
"He is accused of a series of hacking offences including deleting "critical" files from military computers. The US authorities said the cost of tracking him down and correcting the alleged problems was more than £570,000. The offences could also see him fined up to £950,000 if found guilty on all charges. "
Here it comes, the big bill for this mentally off "al Qaeda" operative. "Lesse, captain, I spent my lunch hour running a scan." "Aha! We'll bill that time as worth £50,000!"
"Prosecutor Paul McNulty alleged that McKinnon, known online as "Solo," had perpetrated "the biggest hack of military computers ever". He was named as the chief suspect after a series of electronic break-ins occurred over 12 months at 92 separate US military and Nasa networks.
Ah, it gets better. This guy must have been hot stuff! They think he's some kind of master criminal or something. Or al Qaeda maybe.
"It is alleged that he used software available on the internet to scan tens of thousands of computers on US military networks from his home PC, looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system.
Many of the computers he broke into were protected by easy-to-guess passwords, investigators said. In some cases, McKinnon allegedly shut down the computer systems he invaded. "
WHAT?! He's just a script kiddie??! All this fuss over some guy port scanning Windows boxes??
"The charge sheet alleges that he hacked into an army computer at Fort Myer, Virginia, where he obtained codes, information and commands before deleting about 1,300 user accounts.
Other systems he hacked into included the Pentagon's network and US army, navy and air force computers. "
So let me get this straight. Some nutcase into UFOs uses script kiddie technology to port scan Windows boxes and somehow manages to get into the Pentagon and the military? Are you kidding me? Either they are running Windows boxes with easy to guess passwords and insecure networks, or else they should have charged him with a lot worse stuff than standard port scanning. Or maybe the reporter has no clue what he did, but this doesn't add up.
The only thing that does make sense is the U.S. military thinking a script kiddie UFO chaser was a master criminal at work...
Theres an error in the summary. No one claimed he was the world's biggest hacker. The quote was in fact "Mr McKinnon is charged with the biggest military computer hack of all time"
-Paul McNulty, US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia
"Its a grey area". "How grey?" "Somewhat of a charcoal shade"
Unless the Pentagon and NASA have VERY VERY silly systems, their *really* important computers are simply *not* accessible to hackers. I really can't believe that truly ensitive systems wouldn't just be air-gapped from the world.
Sure, it's possible to hack intelligence agencies but it I'd put money on it failing to get you the really juicy stuff!
"...looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system."
That makes him more of an opportunist than a genius.
World's "biggest" hacker...
When I read the headline I had a vision of a montage of of the "Fat" and "It's all about the Pentiums" videos.
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"A man gets arrested for doing 1 billion dollars of damages to files that aren't supposed to exist because there aren't UFO's.. ? Scully does this make any sense to you? Tell you what, you spend the night in this room cutting up this cadaver and I'll be back in the morning with more wacked ideas of where to go next. I think this Gary fellow may be on to something."
pssssh... they haven't caught me.
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I thought that at 330 pounds, that title was safely held by Kim Schmitz.
He only committed a crime in the UK even though the effects that crime where in the US. There are already enough laws in the UK about breaking into military sensitive computers that can put him in jail for a very long time and there are enough treaties with the US so that breaking into a US military computer in the UK can get you thrown in jail forever.
The judge should rule that he can't be extradited to the US until he has been tried in the UK and then only if the US has charges that don't fit into double jeopardy.
so I guess the evidence of a massive UFO cover-up must be in some even more secure US military computers, the ones he wasn't able to get into..
All he needs to do is start running at the mouth about how he knows who really killed JFK, or where Jimmy Hoffa's body is. Maybe claim that Amelia Earhart was abducted by aliens, that the gov't is controlling people with flu shots, and that Coke and Pepsi are the same thing. If he keeps going, he's bound to be labeled insane. Either that, or eventually guess something correctly.
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How fat is he?
If he was really smart he would have broken into the alien computer system via the link in...ah, forgot I ever said that.
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Lets just assume that he has caused the billion dollar to vanish into nothingness...
Seems impossible to me if he hasn't found any evidence of something UFOrelated then...
How do they get the figure? Is that the cost to cover up all their security issues?
US govrnmnt should appologize for the secrets they held from him. If they would be 'transparant', the hacker wouldn't have hacked, he would have 'searched'...
And you can't really say he is the best hacker (and the geeks here can't say he isn't), you haven't met him, you don't know what he can, and you surely don't know how he got busted...
Methinks he might be on the NSA/FBI payroll within the month - mind you of course he will 'go' to 'prison', it's just that he'll be snuck out the back almost immediately and only return when someone he knows wants to visit.
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Script kiddie UFO chaser Is Al Quaeda master criminal.
Here I thought they caught the source of all the Counter-Strike hacking. Now those are the real hackers they should be targetting.
The unemployed former computer engineer is accused of causing the US government $1billion of damage by breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa.
In unrelated news, the Bush administration has awarded a $1 billion no-bid contract to Halliburton to upgrade security for its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa.
Then again, perhaps he was on to something?
Yeah, and insanity plea. Doen't mean he shouldn't do serious time, just that he should do it where they have nice soft walls, milk and cookies.
Ummmm, the round kind, with little bits of chocolate in them. The other kind are part of the alien plot to enslave us, but don't tell anyone or the MIBs will come for you.
Arrrrrrrrgh!
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Also, I can hear from here the TV journalist saying : "World's most wanted computer terrori... err, hacker, has been arrested today in London. Authorities estimate that his actions costed up to 1 billion dollars to the country. On another topic, Paris Hilton today announced ....". Audience would just remember the following keywords "terrorist ... arrested ... costed 1 billion dollars", and wouldn't mind if the guy was sentenced to death. Who's gonna check the figures, anyway ?
"worlds biggest computer hacker" ?
And did he crack the Gibson ?
Don't think so...
He cant lose...lock me up for 70 years...and I'll post how I did it on slashfot. Either that,or give me a fucking job. And why your at it..fire the sys admin at the pentagon.
WTF! doesn't everyone know by now that hacking is not a crime! Let's stop confusing hackers with technically-able criminals!
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If some moderator sees this, please give the parent a +1 Insightful. It's a very good point - there is no need to extradite someone when what they did is already a crime in your own country, especially not when they're a citizen of said country. There unfortunately seems to be a trend to demand extradition to the USA whenever the USA are affected by the crime committed in any way at all (and it's hard to imagine a computer crime where this is not the case), but doing so would set a dangerous precedent.
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The original articles report that it was only $1Million that was lost. Here is the BBC article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4071708.stm
It always upsets me when the FBI comes up with some krazy number like that. How did he cause 1 billion in damages? Did his poking around the system terrify them so much that they spent $1 billion just to find him? Did the sysadmin wet his pants when he saw that the server was compromised, causing him to get therepy for a total of $1 billion? That must have been some expensive shrink! Or did he just scream "Intruder!" at the top of his lungs, beg his boss to scramble the jets and cause everyone to panic? Or are they ticked off because his activities caused them to miss their soap opera? Or, maybe the panicking sysadmin turned the power off in the entire building to thwart the attack (no power - no network) causing $1 billion in ice cream to go bad. That is so rediculous! If they want to charge him for time that he caused him to wasted, at most, it would be a few million, but one billion!
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Dumb article. They claim "World's biggest hacker", and don't even give his weight.
Here's the causality violation he was looking for.
They must mean his weight...
From TFA:
Friends said that he broke into the networks from his home computer to try to prove his theory that the US was covering up the existence of UFOs.
Any self-respecting hacker knows better than to launch attacks from his home computer. Didn't he know that many broadband DNS names almost lead people to your house?
17NorthElmSt.LV.Nevada.USA.cox.net
Additionally, he had friends?? Doesn't ring true...
This dude must be like really really huge to be the World's Biggest Hacker...
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And how strong is this Mr. Singh?
That's nothing, people do that all the time. There's actually a website you can go to that has an animated schematic of your computer connected to all kinds of different government machines. All you have to do is click on one and then type for a few seconds. If your mission is urgent, you will have to wait for longer, but there's a progress bar so you know when you're getting close. Sometimes you'll get an 'Access Denied' message, which is always red and in very large type. You know you're in when you see either lots of text scrolling by really fast, or another animated schematic representing the government agency's various critical systems. I've never been able to find this website, but I'm sure it exists.
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Don't tell the insurance companies that the damages are preposterous!
The guy is smart enough to cobble together scripts and guess passwords so he can get into computers run by US Military Intelligence ("The World's Biggest Oxymoron", by the way)...
And what does he look for? UFO information! Now he's facing 70 years in prison.
Come on, that must be the equivalent of tipping a Coca-Cola machine onto yourself.
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
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Is this on the cover of the Sun or something? Right next to bat boy... "800lbs hacker hoisted from his parents basement this morning...read more on Page 3".
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Maybe he is a Lone Gunman.
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This guy is a much, much bigger hacker than that guy in England. Criminoly.
I'm not down with computer security or black hat hacking but this article seems to have a set of arbitrary rules to proclaim the worlds biggest hacker. My question is this to the more knowledgeable /.'ers:
What defines a good black hat and how does one 'train' up to be one?
You don't just hack into it... it's not physically connected.
And that's just for marginally clAssified stuff.
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It's a good thing he didn't download Eminem songs as well. Then he would have been in deep shit.
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He stole nothing, he physically broke into nothing, he has seen nothing, he has been caught holding nothing. When crappy everyday news press start labeling everyone a "hacker" I think this world is run by Joseph Goerbles. It takes alot of relative merit to hold a label of any kind. For one, IP addresses belong to the ISP, not the subscriber; the software properly authenticated and was allowed access. I do it all the time at Slashdot: sometimes I auth as Anonymous Coward with the password "frommyparentsbasementIstabtheetaco"; Someone changes it to somthing else everytime it is posted though. Information crimes If it needs to be a secret, don't hold the secrets on a network-accessible computer or you're asking for someone with authentication to publicize the material. When I speak of "proper authentication", I speak on the train of thought that probability can be just as valid as authentication; guess a number and use it. I'm just using plain English, no in-fancy federal-code talk trying to conceal common-sense law in pounds upon pounds of codified indirect procedure used to anyone's bereft. You'ld think people just love eachother for accessing their server, and you're assumed to be not hostile until proven hostile. George Noory's information COASTTOCOASTAM.COM has the same crap, and I don't see anyone making commercial gain other than plastering stupid secret shit on baseball caps and shirts. Oh, that must be sooo detrimental to take secret information and make a fat cult of pudgy geeks that just gossip about trinagles in the sky. I know Slashdot makes many federal-like assumptions to its viewers; thinking we read hardware advertisements and the advertisements within the topic of those advertisements. The day those appointed to serve as "Government" can conceal information is the day the people are ussurped by lies. Look at how many spy and nuclear secret threats were feared by those supposes people appointed as "Government", and its they that have mis-used the technology the most!
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"I broke into US military computers to hunt for evidence of a UFO cover-up and all i got were these lousy handcuffs ...and a sore behind"
Don't be too sad for him, he got his wish. He's about to be far more involved with anal probing.
I think its interesting how computer crimes (even ones that technically do no physical damage, like destroying of files/property, etc) can warrant these huge jail times, yet a confessed convicted rapist, child molester, or other misc. violent criminal can sometimes get as few as 5 years in prison.
What does that tell us? We care more about our files than our children. While I don't think that breaking into a computer system just to prove you can is a smart idea (not saying that was the case in this situation, but rather in general), but I would consider a child molestation as a much more heinous crime, that should always warrant a longer sentence.
And they said zombies weren't real!
If you do $1 Billion worth of damage just to look for UFO conspiracy information, you deserve to be locked up.
By writing this comment, I estimate that you have caused me $170 000 worth of dammage.
Also, judging on the speed of your burner, I estimate that you have 114 CD burners, clearly, you're a menace.
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Does anyone know what UFO 'incident' he was looking for? Unless it was recent, I wouldn't think that there would be digital records. All the documentaries I've seen for alleged UFO cover ups show paper records. I would think that anything from 1990 back would exist solely on paper.
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He broke into state property, so fuck him.
Some say that any excuse will serve a tyrant. But I say that a claim of being smart, nutty and eccentric is not a permit to break into private or state property. Your rights as an individual ends when the rights of others and your social and legal obligations begin.
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Nobody is considering the necessary step and the costs associated to relocating several very large UFOs, a few little-mouthed-big-eyed alien corpses, and one giant crystal after their exact location was discovered by this evil hacker. I'm sure that the whole project cost the US government well over a billion dollars.
or alien technology?
70 years to Bush, not him.
1. Get paranoid about UFOs
2. Hack into the US government
3. Get caught
4. Spend the rest of your life in jail
5. Profit!
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(Not all of these are necessarily a bad thing - most business' idea of IT security is to not spill too much coffee on the keyboard.)
Hunting for evidence of UFOs is a waste of time. We all know the real reason George Bush wants NASA to get to Mars is so he can go home for a visit.
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From TFA:
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The unemployed former computer engineer is accused of causing the US government $1billion of damage by breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa.
Many of the computers he broke into were protected by easy-to-guess passwords, investigators said.
Just... damn.
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Estimated cost to US taxpayers, $1 billion
I'm having trouble visualizing what the worlds biggest hacker would look like. I mean, what is the criteria? Does he have to be at least Seven Feet Tall and weigh Four Hundred Pounds to even be considered a candidate? The claim simply is not credible without at least a few more details.
Not to be confused with a security analyst working for UK-based Matta Security, Chris McNab, who uses the online handle "so1o",
from the article: "The unemployed former computer engineer is accused of causing the US government $1billion of damage by breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa. He is likely to be extradited to America to face eight counts of computer crime in 14 states and could be jailed for 70 years." and HE WAS GRANTED BAIL . Must be very dangerous. from the article: "Most of the alleged hacking took place in 2001 and 2002. At one stage the US thought it was the work of the al Qaeda terror network." they have some serious fucked up security/admins personnel there. "It is alleged that he used software available on the internet to scan tens of thousands of computers on US military networks from his home PC, looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system." OK Now I know the military are using windows. Let me fire up my port scanner and I will be famous. "The charge sheet alleges that he hacked into an army computer at Fort Myer, Virginia, where he obtained codes, information and commands before deleting about 1,300 user accounts." Are you sure the sys admin did not fuck up here. "Other systems he hacked into included the Pentagon's network and US army, navy and air force computers." Jesus Christ ... he could have brought the mighty US down.
they are going to try to make an example of him to cover their fukced up security as it happened on previous occasions.
What a load of BULL...
Here is a link to a photo of the "biggest" hacker.
Sometimes I wish computers were less friendly.
http://www.iwasabducted.com/ and thought this guy was a long lost cousin? http://www.iwasabducted.com/aliengallery/custody.h tm
The best hackers are never ever caught or even known about. Take expliots, they dont suddenly appear overnight, alot these holes are there from day one. Just become mainstream public when open expliot written. Fair few known about by very select few (who discover them) and those are the true hackers.
An old school hacker would of at the very least beiged the next doors phone line and by laughing his ass of now quietly to his/herself, at the very least.
I've also read much more rampant cases than this one, must be mear inflationary/chaos blow out that is making it seem the biggest. Hell even a street urchin stealing a few hundred quid (in ye olde days) factoring in inflation would have stolen more than any bank robbery, but hey. Let the press have there day's.
for the real stuff it is not just air-gapped it is wall/door/guard gapped. for the good stuff that must be accessable there are dedicated links to windowsless rooms guarded by people with guns. These are connected to other windowless rooms with more guards. And they dont really just allow anyone to go into the room either. anything even remotely electronic is not allowed into/outof the room. (though there is a pile of parts in the corner, where spares comes in, but never come out. ever). For the really really sensitive stuff the computers are not even allowed to be networked.
This guy had access to the mess hall menu and the px shopping list.
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Does that mean he weighed 500 lbs. and had tree trunks for legs?
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
I wouldn't go so far as the call the brother the worlds biggest computer hacker. He's got a weight problem. What the nigger gonna do? He's Samoan.
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As for him being "world's biggest computer hacker" that title belongs to Richard Stallman and/or Linus Torvalds. Their hacks are causing hundreds of billions of dollars of lost revenue to commercial software companies.
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Geeze the guy looks just like carrottop. Maybe it's his new bit getting exposure! Everyone knows he's sooo passe'
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Sorry. But snooping around a house, checking the door, finding it unlocked and entering without homeowner permission is still illegal.
--Kevin
For all the script kiddies and newbies who are dissin' him left and right. I know him and kept in touch with him from back in the day...early 1990's and he's a very skilled individual. I don't doubt his skills one bit and there's always more to the story than what's said and some of the bigger things he's accomplished always goes unsaid and in this case is better off unsaid. Don't shoot down what you don't know.
70 Years BBC News reports that it is 7 Years.???
"If he is extradited and found guilty, Mr McKinnon faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a £157,000 fine"
Any the "$1billion of damage" is for tracking + fixing the security bugs/hole that shound no of been there at all......"The US estimates the costs of tracking and correcting the problems he allegedly caused were around $1m (£570,000)."
What next MicroCrap sueing me because WinBlowz blue screens....And making me pay the money it cost to find & fix the problem...?!!?!?!?!?
3.9 Million Citigroup Customers' Data Lost
the corporate mentality never ceases to disillusion me--where's the class action lawsuit?
But the menus were top secret!
You would think someone smart enough to do that wowuld have better uses for his talent.
I have made this mistake before while working as a journalist on radio. People nearly heard that the recent Bloody Sunday Inquiry cost a huge Ster £16, instead of £16 million. Chief sub wasn't too happy about that one.
don't you think that such UFO files would be hidden on a network far below from earth's surface and even farther from the internet?
i'm even starting to think that there was -no- hacking and that they're covering up some hard drive failure or lame virus they didn't fix right
kill anybody. He might get 20 years for that.
----- If communism is a system where the government owns business, what do you call a system where business owns govern
Don't forget the loads of tin foil.....Can't let them control his mind after all.
B.
This is a sig. This is only a sig. Had this been an actual sig you would have been informed where to tune for more sigs.
It is alleged that he used software available on the internet to scan tens of thousands of computers on US military networks from his home PC, looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system.
So he could get 70 years for being a big scary hacker, but MS gets precisely dick for product liability. Where's Ralph Nader when you need him?
And here I am expecting to find an article about Andre the Giant's evil twin hax0r...
Insert witty comment *here*. I'm fresh out of wit...
A piece of styro-foam with an exato knife.
By any chance, was his alias "kingpin"? Now THAT would be BIG. :)
Posted AC purely because this is off-topic.
Are we talking 300 or 400 pounds? The article did not say.
Ducks...
Seriously, I have worked with some really large hackers. Greasy food and all of that desk time can really put the pounds on.
If he had been wearing his tinfoil hat, they wouldn't have found him...idiot.
Look, we know what you're trying to do. You're trying to erase our memory using one of those neura*FLASH*
Huh?
...the password was "gaben".
In Akeley Mn
or here in Del Norte Cty, CA.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Well how big is he? Over 7 feet tall and 400 lbs? Don't leave us in suspense.
He's a fucking idiot...let's stop puffing up this ilk of human with the "hacker" badge of honor.
Get a fucking job, loser.
And completely incorrect. IAAL.
someone around the size of Shaq. I love headlines like this and keep a small collection of them
"If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
Hmmm... All those doughnuts, M&Ms, oversweetened coffee, potato chips, and cokes he ate while hacking have really taken their toll... There's a lesson in there for you folks: Go outside once in a while and take a walk, or go for a jog, or to the beach, or go hiking, or bike riding... exercise, exercise, exercise. Or else you'll end up like this guy. World's biggest hacker... I hope he checks his cholesterol.
Now, if his handle had been "Luke", he could have just waved his hand and said "this is not the hacker you're looking for".
Ob. 1 Star Wars reference
How could he "hack" if he is 950 thousand pounds, anyway? Sounds like this should be in the Weekly World News.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
Apparently he was over 12ft tall, weighing over 500lbs.
The charges can be found at: news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/cyberlaw/usmck1102vain d.
The organisations he broke into are listed and they are all described as "computers were used in interstate and foreign commerce and communication. "
It also states that he installed RemotelyAnywhere, and "copied files containing unclassified information to his own computer. "
The document was the first hit that I got from google, maybe the media writers must be so overworked that they are not able to do any research !!!!!
is accused of causing the US government $1billion of damage ...while looking for UFO evidence? Actually, the $1billion worth of damage is because while he was there he downloaded one MP3 through government computers, and the RIAA are pressing the gov't to collect...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
"Highgate Wood comprehensive-pupil"?
The reason they're going after him so hard is because he found out where they're hiding the aliens. The truth is out there!
I think its interesting how computer crimes (even ones that technically do no physical damage, like destroying of files/property, etc) can warrant these huge jail times, yet a confessed convicted rapist, child molester, or other misc. violent criminal can sometimes get as few as 5 years in prison.
What does that tell us? We care more about our files than our children. While I don't think that breaking into a computer system just to prove you can is a smart idea (not saying that was the case in this situation, but rather in general), but I would consider a child molestation as a much more heinous crime, that should always warrant a longer sentence.
Laws aren't there to protect you, they are there to protect the rich.
Some poor looser raping other poor looser's kids is bad for their work productivity, so it is illegal, but acts that could cause the rich to loose riches are much more illegal, because these things really matter to those who make the laws.
You can't take the sky from me...
Yes it is. But I wonder how much of the $1 billion they spent after his hacking was to pay for security measures that should have been taken prior to his attack.
/. admins for using some curly lettering for the confirmation image, I couldn't read it after 3 tries. Redid the post and got a legible font. Next time try it before you use it!
On another note, thanks to
So you saying it's not illegal until your told to leave? So if you find someones front door unlocked and they are on vacation you can stay their until they get back?
How about posted as AC becuase you are completely wrong.
500 dollar reward for tip(s) leading to the arrest of the person(s) who stole my sig.
He, being "the worlds biggest hacker", didn't get caught. I believe this is referred to as "Social Engineering"; He let himself get caught. Any real hacker knows that the US Government doesn't keep UFO evidence on a computer network, therefor the only true way to find evidence is to "get caught" looking for it and, when the UFO's come to break you out, Poof! evidence. The man truely is the worlds biggest...something
No, he got caught because he didn't have his tinfoil hat properly secured, so the CIA was able to track him with black helicopters in silent mode using NASA supercomputers developed to change weather patterns.
Entering private property when you should have good reason to believe you are not supposed to be there (not sure exactly how the law words this) is trespass, whether you broke in or not. This could be applied to computer systems as well as physical property.
now every other hacker in the world moves up one notch.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Some guy who has not been caught yet...I
If this guy is such a great "hacker" why is he now in custody? Maybe he is not as great as he is made out to be..
I have a fever baby and the only cure is more cowbell!
At one stage the US thought it was the work of the al Qaeda terror network. NEWS JUST IN: President Bush has now been able to reveal the true reasons that he went to war. It was due to misinformation regarding a hack attempt by Al-Qaeda. This turned out to be a bloke in London... We all knew it was dodgy reasoning...
If Carling made signatures they would be the best signatures in the world...
It really makes me fucking sick that we have this extradition treaty with America, I bet we wouldn't get the same in return. This guy apparently did $1m worth of 'damage' and is basically more of an embarrassment to the US governments security reputation than anything else. I doubt these 'critical' files or damages will be every fully quantified in court. Its a bit like whistling nuclear codes into a phone - "hes an evil witch/hacker and a menace to the world and must be locked up". now his life is over, totally fucking over. I would certainly top my self if i was in his shows. Mission accomplished guys London feels that extra bit safer today.
I guess at least its a deterrent.
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I don't think it's nutty. I'd have to say he has a pretty good excuse. Now if he were claiming to find proof of Area 51 or something, then he'd be a nut...
Wow! real smart... from his London apartemnt. America truely is the laziest country in the world. You don't put "critical files" on a network that connects to the rest of the world... that's plain stupid. Get your ass up, go to work and log in to your *closed* network and get the file there. It's the only way to make sure.
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
1) The UFO information is not obtainable through the internet. Neither is the JFK thing, or the fake moon landing information. The Roswell thing was like what, in the 1950's? The info would not likely have been put in a computer then, and certainly would never be made reachable by a network. 2) Deleting files on a gov't computer is like beating a wasp nest with a stick. Just don't do it, if you walk softly they may not even notice you. 3) There are lots of places to jack in from, don't be lazy and do it from your home. 4) "computers(yawn)" !?!? And for all you doubters out there, just remember that it is human nature to abuse power, and secrets are easier to keep than they make you think. Remember, the media is the only source of info, even a first hand account of an event will be lost within 6 degrees of seperation without media attention. Think about it, every news event you know of was either directly read by you, or told to you by a friend who read it, or maybe a friend of a friend, but it never goes much further than that. Oh yes, there do be some dark secrets, I think.
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Sure, that's true! Last year I was standing next to a house, smoking some weed, when I lost my balance, tripped, and fell through a window! I thought I might as well crash there, so I took a nap in the owner's bed.
See ComputerWeekly for an article with a nice timeline and more specifics on where he attacked. Note that he's considered an "average hacker" in this article, which to my reading of the facts seems fair.
This all happened back in 2001/2002 but he fought extradition to the US until this past week apparently.
This military publication states that he didn't get to any classified info.
Wired covers a bit more on how he got caught. They tracked down his copy of RemotelyAnywhere.
Hm, am I the only one who thinks it's really hard for a big geek to break into a computer as secure as those in Mission Impossible?
The sad thing that I see all the time is the easier it is to break the security system the harser the penalty.
This guy broke the military network for three days. Shouldn't it have been more secure.
I'm not saying what he did was right. What I'm asking is how much was spent on security before he took his tour. Shouldn't the people (companies whatever) that where responcible for security have some culpability?
JACEM
DOC Disinformation Obfuscation and Confusion
The carrot to FUD's stick
. . . Halliburton has won a no-bid contract from the Bush administration to fix the "$1 billion" of damages.
$100,000 to patch stuff that NMAP shows?!
;)
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Man, I'm in the wrong line of work. Where can I sign up?
Last time I went near a school's IT stuff, it was a bunch of Windows 95 boxes sitting on a token ring network. I ran away screaming. But for $100,000, I'd fix it.
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
If they locked him up in a foil-lined room, he wouldn't be insane anymore, now would he? Come on people, think these things through!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Hopefully they'll let him plea bargain to something under 10 years in jail + probation.
Now, if he was intending to cause serious damage or intending to steal a million dollars worth of computing resources, or was using the computers as part of another serious crime a la blowing up airplanes, then yeah, 70 years is about right. It's the difference between murder and manslaughter - both wind up with a dead victim, but the former says you are a "very bad person" the latter doesn't.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
I would still consider the "bigest military hack of all time" to be the cuckoos egg incident - as much as for Clifford's Stolls investigation as for the actual atttacks. The cuckoo's egg incident involved more people - one of whom died mysteriously in a fire (some claim the FBI killed him ... even though he was in Germany).
I think the world's biggest hacker is Linus Torvalds.
This guy is just a lowlife system cracker. They aren't the same thing.
Hacker: loves to write code, does so prolifically, and is often very good at solving complex problems, the solutions to which often aren't in any book. Can also often do electronics work. Not a criminal.
Cracker: breaks into systems using known exploits. Talented ones invent their own exploits. Is a criminal.
Don't confuse the two. Being a real hacker requires a lot more knowledge and intelligence.
It's a lot like saying a guy that figures out how to use fertilizer to make a car bomb and blow up a building is an architect.
It's a lot harder to build things than it is to break them. In every case this is true.
l8,
AC
Probably was... why else do it & take SUCH a risk??
Guys like him REALLY probably tick off the "TRUE SCRIPT KIDDIES" - network engineers/administrators. After all, like I always say "They're JUST users with a better password" & without programmers creating what they USE? They're USELESS!
(99% of them - some actually do both ends of the field & those I can respect!)
By way of comparison? They're like ants attacking a mastodon in terms of knowledge here vs. someone of that ilk & background.
Still, back on topic - think about it: Why else take such a risk, unless you KNEW something was wrong or being covered up??
I don't know about the #3 but #4 might be 'unloading an old warehouse of worthless surplus mylar weather baloons on ebay'
I have a bit of insight here. I worked, formerly, at a Dept. of Energy National Lab. We've all read about how Los Alamos lost some computer disks (later claiming that they never really existed). However, I happen to know that the security within the DOE system is HIGHLY vulnerable. Here's a link to the Inspector General (oversight committee) site for the Dept. of Energy:
http://www.ig.doe.gov/igreports.htm#cal2005
I didn't look, but I'd bet they exist for each of the departments within the Federal government (DOD, NASA, etc.) I read the IT security report for 2004... to say that things are improving is really scary... because they SUCKED in 2004.
The simple fact of it is that the gov. can't afford to send its people to training to actually learn how to secure their networks. [stark generalization follows] They have an older workforce that could care less about learning about these things with their spare time. Training is the only answer.
Then, they can't afford to pay enough to keep security-qualified people, either. With a rare exception, these security experts are too expensive for the cost-conservative corporations to justify when they are being paid to keep costs down and perform projects based on annual funding.
Finally, with their current 'sub-contractor' based mode of operation, they [the feds] can't really enforce a lot of standards as they would like. These sub-contractors don't care about the data. Their contracts are tied to performance based bonuses, which they earn by succeeding in some measurable project (not IT).
In short, the system is severely broken.
I'm not real familiar with what this guy was doing, but it seems to me that he thought it was a game. They're gonna smack him around so that the rest of the script kiddies out there get the idea that it's NOT a game *much like the RIAA, et al.* did with Peer to Peer networks.
I'm no security expert (heard of port-scanning, but I have better things to do with my time), but
I KNOW that there are vulnerabilities in the DOE system. I was asked to quit because I kept bringing them up. How's that for a supportive work environment?!
[rant]
Let me ask this question... is knocking on a door a crime? What if it's unlocked? What if it swings open? What if you peek in? If no one asks you to stop, (or there are no signs, etc.) is it illegal to walk in? It IS illegal to impersonate an authority figure (cops, etc)... So, I would assume that a SysAdmin is an authority figure? Maybe that's the only law that they should change. But, are you an authority figure, if you have a password? How do we define juridiction? Maybe the other laws (cyber security) were just a knee-jerk reaction to something that they didn't bother to research and understand. One last thing, is it illegal for everyone to go to the bank and ask for their money? Is it illegal for everyone to go to the library? DOS attacks are protests, they should be protected under the 'freedom to assemble.'
And, yes, I am an anonymous coward. I hope this makes things a bit more interesting.
In England you can claim Squatters Rights if a house is emtpy and you enter it, if however, you break in and then sleep, it is Tresspass.
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Hold on a sec.
He was'nt busted in Pentagon, but they got him in UFO DB?
Just WHAT is in that database if it's got better security than pentagon?
Merciful $DEITY. How much of a crackpot can one person be?
If anyone ever deserved to go to prison for felony st00pid, this guy does (assuming, of course, that he's actually guilty).
Disinfect the GNU General Public Virus!
The world's biggest hacker will be the one that brings the entire internet to its knees in a couple of hours, the entire internet will be dead. That will be the world's biggest hacker.
Of course the internet will start to come back online after everyone is done patching and reinstalling.
If what you are reading sounds funny, or sarcastic, lame, or stupid
it is because it is supposed to be. just laugh
I remember having some tangential contact with the guy. One of those stranger out-of-the-blue "I'd really like to help out with your (perfectly legal, coding) project, but you should know that I'm in a little bit of trouble" sorts of thing.
Thankfully, our forums crashed since then, so I can't even remember clearly what he said; but it was along the lines of it being overblown, and as any look into what he actually did shows, this guy is not the hacking mastermind you're looking for.
Yep. It's still illegal. But while it's illegal for a burglar to enter your unlocked house, you're no less of an idiot for leaving it unlocked. And exaggerating the scope of the break-in ("he diabolically circumvented the integrity of the house by adjusting the rotational position of the entry affordance!") has as more to do with CYA (in the case of the homeowner, perhaps to collect insurance) than it has to do with the guilt of the burglar.
weighs in at an amazing 4000 lbs.
The suspect was found with an incriminating box of Jr Mints and a case of mountain dew.
I RTFA, and it seems to me that this guy is getting the blame for more than what he has done.
It is unusual for my government to make themselves look this stupid, though they do it everyday. I think they are trying to pin more on this guy. I could be wrong, I don't know all the details. The article did keep mentioning that he did all this from his home computer. Wow, if he scanned tens of thousands of US Military computers from his home network seems to me , he would have been found much sooner than it took them. Of course, he could have bounced, or spoofed but still I thought the US government had tighter security than this. Whether or not he is guitly should not be an issue here. If he was able to do all he has done, for as long as he has done it, I say give him a job securing those networks, seems like they need it.
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
One sometimes wonder at the level of intelligence in the intelligence community. See here where they have blacked out sensitive information by the time honoured method of setting the foreground and background to black. Not realising that the data is *still* embedded in the document. The only people who should be jailed here are the idiot systems operators who allowed it to happened in the first place.
As for the alleged hack it was done by something called RemotelyAnywhere. So much for the biggest military hacker of all time.
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here.
US citizens be cautioned: the use of copy and paste to 'read between the lines' in this document could get you in Cuba (or some other place).
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IIRC, the code of Hammarubi included something about using the burgler's body to patch the hole that he used to get into your mud-daub house...
:-)
you could try using that as a legal precident...
Yep, no physical damage is the problem; so many defaced websites can be restored by so-many documents about fluffy bunnies. If you intend intellectual property law to be applicable in citing for remedy, then freedom is lost. I suggest burning your webpage on a CDROM or protected by a hardware read-only mechanism. As this post's subject begins, can a switch (1 or 0) be broken? I'ld be entertained to see people suing eachother for causing bad-sectors on their block devices.
Affirmativ captain; you removed the ships sale, closed the LARBOARD (port of entry), silenced and battoned the STARBOARD (doused the lights on display), you set a flag for C-L-O-S-D and flew the YANKEE (dragging anchor), and you are confused what to do when a tresspasser walks in the front door? Captain, I want not mutiny to enter your cabin; dispense some godly canons already; be it canonical law, or a firearm; remedy the situation, man! Admiralty law is just as applicable on soil as it is on sea. How do you suppose that imposter "United States", a Title 28 Section 3002 15b "federal corporation" from the District of Columbia, uses salvage rights to steal your private property or dictate limited use and conditions to your property?
Is your car private property or has it been deeded for commercial use by hired hands? When someone steels my car, I send them a Bill demanding silver for compensation because as I say to the DMV I also say to police and related tresspassers that it is NOT-FOR-SALE or to be used commercially. Just to build some scope in your imagination of my character, I have no keylocks or ignition key on my car; it's just as old world common sense, you just press a button and the engine turns. The same can be intended of a bicycle, a moped, etc. If someone takes your server, send them a bill. If they don't pay, send a court order for compensation. These days, someone is always assuming your property is for sale; just play along, give them a bill; squeeze some lawful money out of their presumption that you have a business license and have dedicated that property in dispute for retail.
There are no victims in commerce, only debtors.
without prejudice
He was after Colin Powells sidekick...
Language evolves. Many words now mean something different from their original intents.
And on a related note, what accounts for the $1billion damages? I'd wager a large part of that is plugging security holes that should not have been there in the first place. Although it's stated in the article that fixing the problem and tracking him down cost £570,000 pounds.
In fact, reading the article, I can find no reference to $1 billion. It's estimated that he may be fined £900,000 (that figure makes so much sense), but if that equates to $1 billion at the current exchange rate then I think I better get over there and buy a town. Editors not reading the story?
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
you mean him?
A smarter person would gather information by physically breaking into government sites rather than using the internet. If you're caught trespassing in the pentagon you're going to jail, but you won't get seventy years. With the way the government inflates the punishment for computer related offenses, they make the physical crime more attractive than the virtual.
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. -Oscar Wilde
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
> But the default is that you're not.
OOh, ooh, I know! You're Canadian! I've heard it's legal in Canada, but the U.S. is another story altogether.
There was no evidence of a ship but there was evidence of an alien
In addition to being very smart, he is also very stupid. ;-)
It is alleged that he used software available on the internet to scan tens of thousands of computers on US military networks from his home PC, looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system. May be the blame should be on Microsoft for providing such an insecure software! Oh well..
I was just looking at his picture, an I'm *way* fatter than he is.
What? Oh. Nevermind.
I really don't want to know why you had that photo so readily available.
Share and Enjoy!
The headline "world's biggest hacker held" is too positively connoted. It makes me think that some fat smart guy is getting some lovin'.
Unfortunately, members of the group are under 12 years old and living in Russia, so cannot be prosecuted, per se.
What's Sealand's extradition policy?
Share and Enjoy!
And on a related note, what accounts for the $1billion damages?
I've just read Bruce Sterling's "Hacker Crackdown", in which there is a similar claim by a large corporation (AT&T) of a document being worth almost $80k, while a very similar document was sold for 13 bucks by the same company to anyone who asked for it.
The interesting part was how they arrived to the 80k figure for a 12 page doc. In it they computed, among other things, two weeks of a typist and an observer...
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
That "Federal code" you are quoting is describing the behaviour of an operating system. For all your wants and needs, quote somthing that dictates the behavior of software as much as you want. You have yet to discern the intent of my post; hackers or whatever you want to call them, they ARE authenticating! Just the conclusion of that previous sentence unremarkably sets your post to silense. Who can you believe to give true testimony on who authenticated correctly with a server, some half-baked "Adminstrator" or a server log? The code you cite is an unjustified paradigm shift. Let's talk about software affirming honest and truthful authorization, people notwithstanding unless they break into a room and physically Hack-hack-hack the computer to peices like a Hun or Goth or ...or...a troll.
without prejudice
The little bastard deserves everything he gets. No defense coming from me here.
It's bastards like this that screw things up for grey-hats everywhere. Ok, you were curious, you wanted information, and the information wanted to be free... good enough. But you don't go deleting files and user accounts! How fraggin dumb can you be? "Hmm, I just hacked NASA and no-one knows.... I think I'll fuck things up!".
If he'd just gone looking for the information and gotten busted, I would have had sympathy for him. But he just went to wreck shit up. "Looking for UFOs" is just AOL-Speak for "Shit, I got caught being a dick and I need an excuse, quick!"
If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
Finally!
Since the only hacker god has been captured, I can remove the tinfoil around my computer. I can now live free!!!
By chance there is only 1 hacker in the Internet!.... Right?
I wouldn't mind you in my head, if you weren't so clearly mad -Lews Therin Telamon
I urge anyone that considers this hacker a conspiracy nut to Google for "MK Ultra" and then tell me whether government conspiracies are for loonies.
If this guy is the worlds biggest hacker, then the solution is easy:
Just put him on a diet
-- SIG along with me. "Nothing to see here..."
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
He is a rather good-looking fellow too. Too bad a bit nuts... UFO is never my cup of cake.
Now, if the homeowner tells you to leave, you may be guilty of trespass. But the default is that you're not.
My state has a "Make my day" law where you probably would not be prosecuted executing a trespasser if there is any fear of bodilty harm. It was successfully used when one neighbor tried to forceably enter the home of another over a dog dispute.
If he's the world's biggest hacker, how come he isn't famous...oh. OH. OK, nevermind.
you have to be kidding me...apparently this guy is port scanning the government from his HOUSE. My little sister wouldnt even do that.
. . . and flush his copy of Neuromancer down the john.
roflmao
Yanks say they are six inches, so the Brits up them one more, but forget about the conversion factor.
Dear Person,
As it turns out, that is not correct. According to the Merriam-Webster Unabridged Dictionary, the American Heritage Dictionary, and the Oxford English Dictionary the word hacker has two meaning in relating to computers. One of them is a person who is an expert with computer and/or someone who peruses computer knowledge for its own sake, the other is a person who uses their skill with computers to gain unauthorized access to systems.
This is not an uncommon situation in English, for a word to have two related connotations, one positive and one negative: For example the word exploit. When used as a verb it can be used to mean a full positive use of something, such as to exploit one's talents means to make full use of your talents in a good way to achieve a goal. It can also be used in a negative way, such as to exploit illegal immigrant financial gain means to take unfair advantage of someone's position to your own selfish benefit. Both uses are not only accepted, but common. It is the context that dictates the meaning of the word.
The same is true with the word hacker. Your special interest sites like Slashdot do not set the stage for the English language, nor are they the authority on its correct usage. Thus in our article using hacker to describe someone who uses computer skill to gain illegal entry to systems is in every way as correct and accurate and a skilled programmer calling themselves a hacker. Thus we will not be issuing a correction, as there is nothing to correct.
In the future if you believe a word is being used incorrectly, I suggest you make a quick check with a dictionary to ensure that you are not confused. There are several online websites including www.dictionary.com, www.oed.com, and www.webster.com that will allow you to look up the definitions of words with ease.
Sincerely,
Editor-in-Chief person.
The extradition agreement signed between the US's Ashcroft and the UK's Blunkett over terror is seriously flawed; it doesn't require the the Americans to provide *any* evidence, but demands so from the Brits, and American authorities have proved too willing to misuse it, far beyond "terror". Furthermore, the treaty removes key protections, and the UK parliament was *not* consulted at all http://tinyurl.com/4yph4. For all I've seen, it's all been one-sided so far, with Brits extradited for various reasons, even to a Brit CEO demanded by the Americans for "price-fixing"(!!) http://tinyurl.com/7tdkv. The UK should *not* extradite any Brits to the US, at all!!! This American Gitmo administration is not fit for any role of justice!
I am perpetually amazed at how closed minded the folks who post here are. Seems to have something to do with a "not invented here" mindset. Not until *we* invent something does it become believable to these folks. And this extends into the dimension of time as well. The very idea that someone on Earth could have invented something that we have just discovered thousands of years ago is in some ways even less acceptable to them than its invention on another planet.
Having said that, I am also continually amazed that anyone would think that the US military would have the answer to something this complex and unusual when these same geniuses managed to allow the Pakistani government to snooker them out of O. bin Laden.
"Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
Exactly. If some nutter from Wood Green(What is it with Wood Green... Its just up the road from where I live... the terrorist guys who were making ricin there) can bring down the US miltary computer network for a period of *days* then somethign is wrong.
There should be an extra score so that REALLY funny stuff can be modded up one extra...
Not a volume that goes to eleven type situation though...
"looking for machines that might be exposed due to flaws in the Windows operating system"
How's this for TCO:
"causing the US government $1billion of damage"
It is so pathetic that the military runs this crap software. Although I doubt America's "most secure computers" are running windows!
ps - I am not a farking script!!!!!!!!!
Well, word goes the problem wasn't that he downloaded them. Problem is he *uploaded* some of them.
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Only someone clueless would break into Fort Myer.
unless you're Skully or Mulder.
... meanwhile our borders are at 1/3 manpower ...
Whatever
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> Why else take such a risk, unless you KNEW something was wrong or being covered up??
You're a fucking nutjob; that's 'why else.' I guess that could fall under "knew," as in "I just know the aliens REALLY are building landing strips for gay martians..."
I love being limited to posting one comment per hour... What happened to testing something before releasing it? Blame Microsoft!
Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
It's been 59 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment
Yes, it's an odd case, but why does the guy have to be "mentally off" just because he supsects that the government is covering up UFO evidence? He may be "mentally off" for thinking that he wouldn't get caught, but belief in UFOs hardly qualifies as a mental disease. How many regular viewers did the X-Files have? And they certainly weren't watching because of the stellar acting. Yeah, I know it's just a silly, fictional TV series, but I'm just pointing out that lots of people at least entertain the idea that UFOs exist.
You can extradite him to the People's Republic of Texas, where they have a rich history of creative and fun punishments such as Stumping.
That's where they cut down a tree, soak the stump in gasoline, affix a certain irreplaceable part of you to the stump, then light a match and hand you a knife. It's usually reserved for men who can't seem to take No for an answer when it comes to women, but that's kinda like hacking, right?
The next time your IT department asks how to save money, suggest that the government was saving billions by not securing their networks, and now consider it a loss of money when prosecuting a hacker.
the US government says it was $900,000 dollars in damage.
http://www.cybercrime.gov/mckinnonIndict.htm
This guy must be HUGE to be bigger then Kimble, hell, Kimble's easily around the 300LB mark.
I was thinking the story would be about FBI agents removing a wall and using a crane to lift a 700lb (317.5kg) hacker from a room he hadn't left in 5 years.
You seem to have missed that I consider it obvious that the universe is teeming with life, some of which is no doubt intelligent; and that I am the founder of the "They Weren't Idiots" school of paleoanthropology.
My comments were directed strictly at the idea of a government coverup of interplanetary beings visiting us.
These people can't keep their own weenies covered up, little alone little green men and the idea that there are other intelligent beings in the universe is an entirely seperate one from whether they're flying around New Hampshire.
KFG
Not true. He found out about the secret weapons and unpublished funds we give Israel. Shame the goyim !
Just wondering.
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
Professor Hathaway: I want to see more of you around the lab.
Chris: Fine. I'll gain weight.
I bet if they hired an outside firm to track this guy, the "cost" of finding him would have been much much lower. Government spending is usually profligate and never frugal, and it's this hacker who's going to have to pay the consequences of this inflated figure.
Technically not true. In most places the SIPRNET runs over the same infrastructure (wires, switches, etc) that the unclassified traffic runs over. The SIPRNET traffic is just encrypted using TACLANEs, so it is essentially a classified VPN as opposed to a physically separate network. It would be theoretically possible to hack into the SIPRNET from the Internet by compromising a TACLANE.
We need a more accurate measure than $s and £s: Libraries of congress per average decay time of a proton in vacuum.
I see no mention in the article of his weight.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/nsn/nsn-050411.h tm
Search the site for 'ricin', it's interesting.....
Strange, the usually well informed German IT news site www.heise.de has very different numbers.
They talk about 5 years in jail and a 250.000$ fine.
Sounds more reasonable (but too little for the Biggest Hacker, eh?)
Really?
;-)
So, either he hacked the world's biggest computer or
he weighs 900 pounds.
Which is it?
Personally I am hoping the its the latter one...it would be pretty funny to see him mashing the keyboard with his hand because his fingers are too fat for the keys. Of course he could order a "dialing stick" (ala Simpsons) to type with.
Amen to that... One of the things that has always bothered me about the UFO nuts is that assuming an alien race exists with the technology to cross untold light years to get here... the question becomes, why the hell would they come here? We'd be nothing more than slightly advanced apes in comparison... hardly worth the trip. Oh, and you've really gotta love the crop circle nuts. Alien race can travel faster than light but uses fields of wheat to communicate with us... Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Heh... sorry about the rant there.
I also love your They Weren't Idiots idea... always irks me when someone says the pyramids were built by ETs. Though I do tend to believe the evidence that the Sphynx may very well be older than the pyramids, I don't buy into the "If we can't do it in 2005AD, it had to be done by ET" bullshit.
It was recently reported that Mark Hacking, who shot his wife in the head while she slept and dumped her body into a garbage bin, will receive 6 years for his crime.
McKinnon, on the other hand, who committed a nonviolent crime, could be jailed for 70 years. That's more than 10 times a murderer's sentence.
Apparently it's not such a big deal if you kill one of the common peasants, but they'll come down on you like a ton of bricks if you vandalize something belonging to the most high and holy government.
Not that this guy doesn't deserve to be punished, but shouldn't we be looking into ways to harness his knowledge and make those systems he hacked more secure. Just doesn't make alot of sense to put a computer hacker in jail for 70 years and waste all that good(or bad) talent. I'm sure there are Government agencies that could benefit from his Consulting Services. He can make "Restitution" by advising those who were hacked ...
Just my 2 cents
Just to clarify, is this the Major League Baseball team, or the Metropolitan Museum of Art that is now apparently involved in helping police the world?
Wouldn't it be better if they just wiped everything and started from scratch?
I don't know what he learned about aliens on those networks, but he'll certainly get an education on probing in prison.
> if he were claiming to find proof of Area 51 or something, then he'd be a nut...
;)
Yeah, very nutty. Especially since we already know it's there! If he found proof of aliens at Area 51, that would be an altogether different story.
And the military will pay him millions, then ignore his advice.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Agreed whole heartedly... the US gov't is nothing compaired to the evil he could face from the RIAA
Costs for remediation of compromised systems usually comprise the overall "this hacker caused this much damage" number. Given that the systems he was breaking into were those of organizations who purchase $500.00 toilet seats, i'm not at all surprised by the $1B number. These numbers are almost always used to increase the charges against the accused.
-- http://www.criticalassets.com
They did more than that - they counted the entire cost of the Wang word processor used to produce the document!
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
I just heard an NPR radio report on this hacker. The US Gov't claims he's responsible for deleting a huge number of files. That doesn't really sound like a hacker to me. If you had access into Army, Navy, Airforce and a bunch of other US Gov't agency computers, why would you draw attention to yourself by deleting files? On the other hand I guess the Gov't can now claim all files related to the Kennedy Assasination are missing.
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"They said it was a weather Balloon" -Soul Coughing
THis statement "..breaking into its most secure computers at the Pentagon and Nasa. .." shows complete ignorance by the writter. I know absolutly that "most secure computers" are simply not connectd either directly or indirectly to the Internet. Heck they don't even connect the A/C power grounds directly to the building ground system least RFI leak out via some cold water pipe. If the machine is connected in any way to the Internet it holds at worst "sensitive" information not "clasiffied" information
Seriously, the guy is all over the news here in the UK. And he actually looks quite skinny.
" Except that if it ISN'T a crime where I did the action is it still a crime?
...your country and its citizens get to pretty much unilaterally accept the laws of your fellow member nations when it comes to this type of "crime" (quotes NOT because i doubt its a crime, but because its not really clear "where" and EXACTLY "what" the PRECISE criminal elements of this activity are atomically composed of)
YES, it is still a crime -- IF your country is a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), International Criminal Court (ICC), General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the World Court, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHERS, including the European Currency Agreement (EURO) and the proposed European Constitution and a member state of the United Nations....
The legal institutions (civil, criminal, enforcement and academic) of ALL the various G8 nations have barely caught up with the 100+ year old industrial revolution and the telecommunications revolution of the 1960's and 1970's.
These legal institutions are WAAAY behind in the "cyber" realm and the PC Revolution, let alone the newly emerging areas of 21st century intellectual property.
So, the guiding laws and legal practices are those designed to protect and prosecute 18th and 19th crimes. Therefore, you may not be breaking into a computer or system covered by the laws of your national entity, but if they are signatory to the above AND if the target national entity wants to pursue prosecution....
BINGO! you have just won a complete abdication of the laws of your nation, and "Welcome to XXXXX Correctional Facility! Where you will be opened to BIG NEW fascinating experiments and experiences in hair braiding, toilet cleaning and, AHEM, the broadening of your sexual experiences and horizons! Think of Club Med and just add the horrors of personal degredation and hair-trigger lethal violence."
Global 2000/National 500 Corporations, G8 bureaucrats and others with either large money AND/OR large clout have been loading up every international agreement of the last twenty years (to be charitable) with the export of laws and statutes favorable to their own secular partisan interests.
So, you can be sure that developing nations will be seeing a HUGE LOAD of things like the DMCA, EU Green Laws, et al stuffed down their throats (cause we all really care how many Kazaa DLs of Eminem there are in Upper Volta?).
I'm only being SLIGHTLY facetious in saying that if you were to read ALL these global agreements since the Bretton Woods Agreement (1944) you'd get the feeling that the principle purpose of international treaties was to guarantee that Mickey Mouse, French wine, British beef and German cars be protected from any international competition.
OH, it gets worse before it gets better. Atlanta Arcology anyone?
Peace, Out
Ten quid, she's so easy to blind. And not a word is spoken...
In Texas the moment you set foot on someone elses property without permission you are trespassing. However, most people around here are nice enough to let you walk across their front lawn without shooting.
Is it just me or did anyone else picture a very fat hacker getting arrested?
The USSC ruled that the press couldn't be held responsible for printing the government's secure documents after the government leaked it. The government put massive ammounts of classified data onto a computer and plugged it into the net, and wants to convict this guy for looking at the information?
And don't get me started on the idea of wtf the government is doing holding information from us that WE PAY FOR. God forbid the people should be trusted with their own information and safety.
The monetary damages were listed in pounds, and at the moment one US Dollar is worth slightly more than half a British Pound ($1 = £0.51 rounded).
Though perhaps other than looking for UFOs he could have dug out some more hard evidence about prisoner abuse at Camp X-Ray, some more documents regarding how Bush lied about Iraq, or other politically sensitive or damaging things. Perhaps the reason he didn't get any really juicy intelligence was because the US don't actually have any :o
Really the guy is a hero, not least for making a complete monkey out of US 'secure' computers. haha
>standalone security, not network security, and Windows is only C-class even then
The scale that has C and B on it is at right angles to how well the system protects data.
Under the Common Criteria, the amount of protection your data gets is specified in a "Protection Profile". Windows was evaluated for compliance with the Controlled Access Protection Profile, which boils down to "keeps honest people out of each other's files".
The B's and C's are the Evaluation Assurance Level, which supposedly measures how carefully the system's been checked for spec compliance. So you could write a Protection Profile which specifies that all data classified Top Secret or above will be emailed to al-Qaeda, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on proofs of correctness and audits, and get an A1 rating. Or you could write the world's first perfectly secure OS and have the lowest possible rating because you didn't turn in any paperwork.
>Perhaps, instead of wasting time chasing UFO spotters, they should be putting more time and effort into getting their own house in order.
Amen. Tangentially, I question his story. Why would someone hunting for a UFO coverup delete files and accounts?
GET LINUX...
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be fucked up. - Comedian Mitch Hedberg R.I.P. 03/30/68-2/24/05
>I really can't believe that truly ensitive systems wouldn't just be air-gapped from the world.
/ 2000/10/irp-001012-deutsch.htm
Which will work fine until the CIA director takes a laptop full of classified information home and logs in to AOL. http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news
Yes, the phrasing in the story is nonsensical.
"I just know the aliens REALLY are building landing strips for gay martians..."
The Dead Milkmen!!! Something I thought I'd never see. It's been a while, but I beleive the song is "Stewart" from Bealzebubba.
"This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence" - Vyvyan "The Young Ones"
These aren't the Space Aliens you're looking for. You can move along.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
At 425 pounds, I am the BIGGEST hacker in the world!
The article on CNN seems to contradict this. It says:
'The indictment said he hacked into an Army computer at Fort Myer, Virginia, obtained administrator privileges and transmitted codes, information and commands before deleting about 1,300 user accounts.
It alleged he also "deleted critical system files" on the computer, copied a file containing usernames and encrypted passwords for the computer and installed tools to gain unauthorized access to other machines.
Further allegations include that he modified Navy and Air Force computers and copied other files.
He was accused of hacking into a network of 300 computers at the Earle Naval Weapons Station in Colts Neck, New Jersey, and stealing 950 passwords.
Because of the alleged break-in, which occurred immediately after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the whole system was effectively shut down for a week, officials said at the time.'
That certainly doesnt sound like someone looking for UFOs to me. The interesting question is, why is it that the maximum sentence this guy can recieve is 5 years of prison and a $250,000 fine???
I seriously doubt this. I've worked on and designed highly-classified military systems. The military is ultra paranoid that its really sensitive systems are never connected to the outside world. You have to be physically in a shielded room to get access. If he was able to get into a system, it didn't have stuff the military thought was worth much. Either that or some idiot really screwed the pooch in setting up a system. Admittedly always a possiblity, but not likely to have happened in large numbers.
He wouldn't find anything searching for UFO, that was a media term to confuse the issue. Supposedly, internal top secret government documents use the term "ETV" for Extra Terrestrial Vehicle. They coined UFO so they could say technically accurate things while side-stepping the whole extra-terrestrial issue.
:-D (yes I know I'm "anonymous" right now)
If you think this is all too insane. IMO there will be an official "first contact" type of disclosure soon. And by soon, I mean probably in the next 5-10 years soon. Supposedly, after the "Oh no the terrorists are gonna get you!" excuse runs its course, they'll switch to "Oh no the hostile extraterrestrials are gonna get you! [and so we need trillions of dollars for space based weapons.]"
Watch and see. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat
Obvioussssly thisss human wasss too sssstupid to know we'd never give ourssselvessss away like that...
*listens to boss*
Ah, whoopsss...ah...I'm not an alien, sssee?
*whisper* I think they bought it, bossssss *whisper*
would somebody please create a Highgate Wood wikipaedia entry?
Someone's got it in their sig, I've seen it quite a few times. But yeah, I think it is stewart.
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Perhaps the government should be paying him for showing where these holes were.
"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me." --Ayn Rand
I'd say the hacker mentioned in Clifford Stoll's book "The Cuckoo's Egg" would be a much better candidate for world's biggest military hacker.
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Well I say well done to the lad. The first thing I thought when I heard about the UFO angle was it sounded like some quick thinking when he was asked why he was doing it and anything sounded better than "because I can!" Surely the point the American authorities are missing here is that he was able to do this at all. How many more massive flaws in Windows are going to allow this kind of thing to happen? As far as I can see it serves the people who are suppose to know about these sort of things right for being dumb enough to entrust the security of NASA to Microsoft.
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I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. At the very least you are being unclear - you provide a long list of international organisations, and say that if a nation is a member of them all (you said "and" not "or") then "your country and its citizens get to pretty much unilaterally accept the laws of your fellow member nations when it comes to this type of "crime".
Not true. In fact, a long way from true. There is not a single country that is a member of all those organisations. For a start, NAFTA and the EC are mutually exclusive. The US has trouble recognising the validity and authority of the ICC, and has stated that in certain circumstances any foreign nation wanting an extradition can go whistle. China is a member of the IMF but to get an extradition order for copyright violation agreed by them? You have to be kidding. The truth is muddied when viewed across national borders.
Did he break the law? Wrong question, as there is no "the law" when you think globally. Ask a better question.
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
Yeah, I knew it was a DM song, but the sig is what I remember it from.
I'm almost certain the really secure networks can neither confirm nor deny their own presence.
I'm sorry, but I'll have to wipe your memory now.
Hey I checked out some of the music linked in your sig, I was wondering what you are using to make your tunes? I've been looking to get into some computer-driven music creation but I don't know a good place to start.
Oh by the way, I think you should add a little effect to the vocals on that trip to the jungle song...just a little distortion or something.
But overall, I have enjoyed what I have heard,
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First the linguistic point ..."you provide a long list of international organisations, and say that if a nation is a member of them all (you said "and" not "or")......
/.'s would be aware that the scope and sway of NAFTA is different from the scope and sway as the proposed European Constitution....NAFTA is (i also thought rather obviously) a rather traditional "trade and tariffs" agreement, of a type that has been in use for all of recorded history. I thought that anyone who couldn't sort out NAFTA from the EU wasn't going to get much out of my comment (or probably care to).
since we've taken a grammatical turn here, NO i certainly didn't "say" that...
I MIGHT have ERRONEOUSLY "implied" that by my use of the phrase -- "...and DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHERS.." HOWEVER, that phrase was intended to modify the LIST of international treaties, conventions, accords and other agreements, it wasn't meant to modify or QUALIFY the scope of the subject.
It seemed clear to me (guess i was wrong), that most reasonably well-informed
OTOH, The proposed (and probably now moribund) European Constitution is/was intended as a social contract between independent nations.
SO rather transparently, i thought, "apples and oranges" as to the TYPE or CATEGORY of the individual entity, and focused on the parent's question of the use and application of legal structures across national identities.
From that perspective, what do NAFTA and the others have in common?
If you've read them all (i have), you will find that EVERY one of the previously mentioned entities deal with the application of either general or specific legal structures across national boundaries and in specific instances.
Some provide specific reconciliation and grievance mechanisms, some "agree to disagree" (for just one example, Bretton Woods is a model of "unspoken agreements" -- those rascally Central Bankers)
Since the Rooseveltian agreements created after WWII, birthing the foundational international orgs such as the World Bank, IMF and United Nations (and its incredibly profligate list of sub-orgs), the quantity and quality of international accords (for good or ill) has been skyrocketing and is continuing to do so.
For the example the parent focused on, the DMCA is definitely and/or potentially transportable via a number of these agreements, so in the case of North America, the DMCA can be transported via the NAFTA agreement.
Internationally (other than NA), the DMCA can be transported via; WTO, GATT, numerous individual bilateral or multilateral copyright protection agreements and protocols and the World Court.
So is there "International Law"?, of course not. It seems to me that only a child or naif would think so.
I don't think that I or the parent stated or implied that, if i did i apologize.
However, is there a means for extra-national enforcement, ON A CASE-BY-CASE basis, of a given law such as the DMCA?
Read those agreements and you find lots and lots of ways to try it.
EXTRA CREDIT: Want to see some real "interesting" agreements on international law enforcement, that directly undercut the laws and civil rights of many signatory nations?
Read the various UN Maritime Agreements and if those don't freak you out, then proceed to the UN Anti-Money Laundering Agreements and Protocols.
Ten quid, she's so easy to blind. And not a word is spoken...
Of couse carrying cheetos and being good looking is considered solicitation in my neighborhood
B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
It is prejudicial to just decide knowing nothing that this man is anything but onto something that may or may not be true. I myself have seen lights in the sky.. very very high, in triplicate actually, dancing in strange ways. I've also seen things with my eyes waking and sleeping and at states somewhere in between that make me very certain of one thing: We can not be certain of where we are. A strange phenomenon happens to us. Those of us who use computers all day. We go away to a different place in our mind. I feel it is extremely important that NONE OF US *KNOW* whether what he was looking for was found, was to be found or anything. However, my intuition tells me that a dude who took this long to be caught, was not breaking in "deleting 1300 user accounts" and shutting down the sytems he got into, like the journalists say. My spidey (s/spidey/bullshit) sense tingles when reading those words. Let's try to keep an open mind. DMT: alien abduction. But if it is in the brain naturally.. then what's the difference between using seratonin for learning and DMT for alien experience. All different code sections use different functions and our brain functions on electro-chemical code. We are in this. We do not understand. So.. until we do, let's not close our minds to someone else. There is no decisive proof for or against. .. but for myself.. I seriously question where I am a lot of the time.
I suggest we all do that however makes sense for us with sincerity and introspective honesty.
There is more out there than we know.
There is just as much out there as there is in here.
love to you all,
-[psyphiber]-
If you convert the indictment (PDF) to HTML, you can read all the blacked-out IP addresses.
Sheesh.
Awesome, thanks. I'm glad to know someone has heard my music besides my friends.
:)
:)
Re: Trip to the Jungle; not a bad idea, I have to rerecord the vocals anyway. They currently sound a little too separate from the song for my tastes, and an effect might smooth it out a bit. It was the second rap I ever wrote (the first being Nook's Rap), so it wasn't my best performance.
I use Sony's ACID Pro 5, which is a looper (maybe it's called a tracker, I forget which is which). I used it to make all the songs there, and once you get used to it, you can make simple stuff real fast. If you heard ABNS, that took me about 5 minutes to make the music... obviously, the lyrics didn't take much longer either
A problem, however, is that you need to find some loops, which can get annoying, especially if you want some instruments, like a sax or trumpet or something. Luckily, ACID has its own MIDI tracker with included instruments, so you can make tunes with that. I'm just not very proficient with MIDI, so I only use a very little bit. Most of the WAVs you can find are whacked-out techno drum loops. If you are willing to throw down a few dollars, there are quite a few loop collections, such as Fruity Loops. If yer a pirate (Arrr), you can find some on P2P. I've heard LimeWire has some of the FruityLoops collections on it. I tried KaZaA with minimal success, so I just bought a couple CDs (they're pretty cheap, less than $10 each and they have a lot of files).
If you want to sound like Atari Teenage Riot, it's the perfect program: just lay some random tracks and set it to 200 beats per minute. It'll be indistinguishable from the real thing.
For effects and editing, I use Cool Edit Pro 4, which is pretty nice sound editor. There's probably something better, but CEP is way more than enough for my needs (except I could do with more FX filters), and the interface is good.
My only big suggestion is that if you plan on singing/whatever, that you get yourself a decent ($25-40 maybe) microphone. I had on-motherboard sound when I first started, and I thought that was why my recordings were crap. I bought an Audigy ZX 2 and it was still crap: I found out that my microphone (which looked like a professional one) was junk. Getting a Shure PG58 instantly made all the vocals sound 100x better. Heck, besides the computer and a crappy little equalizer, that's the only sound equipment I have.
Hey, thanks for the informative reply...more than what I expect of the average /.er, heh.
I have fooled around with ACID a very little bit through a freind of mine (mainly just merging guitar tracks together.) I have also heard from many people that a good mic makes all the difference in the world.
I could be called one of those infamous internet pirates....mainly because I really don't have the funds to dish out for software that I'm not sure that I'm going to get a lot of use out of. If I needed a certain peice of software's functionality on a daily basis, or for my job I would pay for it, but I don't.
Who doesn't want to sound like Atarii Teenage Riot?
But anyhow, at the moment I am running Linux, and haven't bothered to put a windows install on my drive as well, and I haven't found much decent looping or sampling programs for *nix, although I'm sure they exist (I haven't looked very hard.)
Most of the music I make anymore is mainly guitar, maybe some lyrics - I seem to have an inability to find anyone who plays drums and also has a drumset...
Anyhow, if I make anything and upload it online anywhere, I'll be sure to let you know so you can check it out (and your freinds and so on).
The creation of music is a beautiful thing, keep it up my freind.
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Cool, If you do find something for Linux, let me know too. I like linux, but have to keep windows for basically just music.
I am currently designing my friend's site, which will eventually be Rhymezilla.com, and my music will end up being hosted there instead of (in addition to?) soundclick. Might be a few months tho... RZ is the one who showed me how to use ACID to begin with.