So what's new. Dreamweaver runs dog-slow on every OS I've used it with. Once I learned Perl Template Toolkit I no longer had any reason to stick with it.
Unless a piece of spyware can change permission to run as root it ain't gonna have much chance of running. If SELinux is added to the mix then I don't see spyware running on Linux. It's not simply a matter of adapting the same programming to run on a different OS. Linux and Windows security are worlds apart.
What is it with Slashdot? You point out some blatantly misleading marketing hype and because it concerns a *nix derivative it's suddenly heresy. I'm a Mac user myself fer krissakes.
Looking at the long list of hardware issues outlined here and others noted on Mac forums the bullshit about how Macs "just work" is looking more and more dated. I use a dual 2Ghz G5 and a 1.5Ghz PowerBook but my zeal has been blunted lately the more I hear of major hardware ****-ups such as the ones fixed in this update. A mate of mine had to send 2 new G5s back to Apple before receiving a 3rd machine which eventually "just worked". Apple should stop marketing their products via hardware compatibility bullshit when there are so many graphics driver issues, FireWire problems and overheating processors.
Sorry, Linux/OS X is a religious matter
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As these 2 publications indicate:
OS X Bible (beware Slashdot's spaces added to URL) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/076 4543997/qid=1102440464/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/202-626 1063-0197431
Red Hat Linux Bible (beware Slashdot's spaces added to URL) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/076 4543334/qid=1102440509/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_11_3/202-62 61063-0197431
.... Linux/OS X is a religious matter. Windoze is, after all, the mark of the Beast so anyone who does business with Billy has some explaining to do on the Day of Reckoning.
I can't believe it. Netscape struggled against M$ for years and lost then did the right thing giving birth to the Mozilla foundation, or at least nurturing it. Mozilla foundation produces the first high quality, standards-compliant competitors to M$ and what do Netscape do? Hack it so that it behaves more like IE.
This is MADNESS. Then again, who gives a toss about Netscape anyway?
Well, I've yet to have any problems with IE mispositioning things... I guess we code differently;)
How can you say you've never come across positioning problems, then, if you aren't testing anything personally? IE5 width hacks and 3px float problems are 2 common IE ****-ups. IE's lack of standards support is common knowledge. Why are you disputing it?
I don't know what you "code" but it appears you don't test the websites your produce. Some would call that amateurish. Anyone who has worked with CSS and web standards would be weary of the amount of effort they have had to waste working around IE's lack of CSS/standards support. If you haven't come across these bugs, as you sugget, then you must be working inside some IE-only goldfish bowl.
I can't, for the life of me, understand why Firefox doesn't have a Quick Launch option on Windows as does Mozilla. Mozilla boots just as quickly as IE6 on my XP box with Quick Launch enabled.
The point is not how much market share Firefox or Mozilla have by themselves. The point is that 11% of users are not using IE so that must surely make the owners of IE-only ecommerce sites think again.
There are so many web standards zealots proselytising the advantage of CSS positioning over layout tables but I contend that the reason standards adoption has been so slow is that CSS can be used to create very complicated combinations of inheritance, floating and sizing which make nested tables look like child's play. Consequently, I think browser manufacturers have found the CSS spec very difficult to implement properly. Rendering a nested table or two was never half so difficult as rendering a complex CSS layout.
This is a secondary aspect of web browser usage. The deciding factor for the long-term success of any browser is how well it renders web pages and, ultimately, how it supports web standards.
With IE market share around 90% we are entering a long-awaited period of relief from total M$ market domination. 10% non-IE is enough for web developers to be able to remind PHBs that their shiny IE-only ecommerce site is now losing them 10% of potential customers. Web developers are now in a position to generate a great deal of business by contacting the owners of such sites and recommending an "upgrade"
So far the money/fun/job security/supply of work have all been better for the small tiny jobs.
So, what did you use? Perl/PHP with MySQL? I'm curious. I work only with small companies and the work is more enjoyable than I imagine it would be within a large-scale project. Perl and MySQL seem to fit my clients' needs, though PHP has become an unavoidable add-on recently:-(
A single application should crash, or run slowly but it should never crash the entire operating system or use up all the operating system's resources.
'Seen Mozilla use 99.9% CPU on OS X many times with script-heavy web pages. While it didn't crash the OS it made it virtually unusable, other than for issuing 'kill -9' from the Terminal.
However kewel and ubiquitous the practice may be it is grammatical nonesense to make an assertion and attempt to negate it by tagging "NOT" onto the end. It makes me wince every time I witness the English language being butchered thus.
Ths installation is the fastest and simplest of any unix....
Depends what you're smoking. Are you telling me that manaul partitioning with OpenBSD's hellish tools is anything like RedHat/Mandrake's polished graphical config? Sorry, but there's no comparison. If you thought Debian's installer was bad, OpenBSD's curses-based nightmare is strictly for masochists.
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So what's new. Dreamweaver runs dog-slow on every OS I've used it with. Once I learned Perl Template Toolkit I no longer had any reason to stick with it.
Unless a piece of spyware can change permission to run as root it ain't gonna have much chance of running. If SELinux is added to the mix then I don't see spyware running on Linux. It's not simply a matter of adapting the same programming to run on a different OS. Linux and Windows security are worlds apart.
What is it with Slashdot? You point out some blatantly misleading marketing hype and because it concerns a *nix derivative it's suddenly heresy. I'm a Mac user myself fer krissakes.
Looking at the long list of hardware issues outlined here and others noted on Mac forums the bullshit about how Macs "just work" is looking more and more dated. I use a dual 2Ghz G5 and a 1.5Ghz PowerBook but my zeal has been blunted lately the more I hear of major hardware ****-ups such as the ones fixed in this update. A mate of mine had to send 2 new G5s back to Apple before receiving a 3rd machine which eventually "just worked". Apple should stop marketing their products via hardware compatibility bullshit when there are so many graphics driver issues, FireWire problems and overheating processors.
As these 2 publications indicate:
OS X Bible (beware Slashdot's spaces added to URL)6 4543997/qid=1102440464/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/202-626 1063-0197431
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/07
Red Hat Linux Bible (beware Slashdot's spaces added to URL)6 4543334/qid=1102440509/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_11_3/202-62 61063-0197431
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/07
.... Linux/OS X is a religious matter. Windoze is, after all, the mark of the Beast so anyone who does business with Billy has some explaining to do on the Day of Reckoning.
So Slashdot is a now marketing trends website? Give me a break.
I can't believe it. Netscape struggled against M$ for years and lost then did the right thing giving birth to the Mozilla foundation, or at least nurturing it. Mozilla foundation produces the first high quality, standards-compliant competitors to M$ and what do Netscape do? Hack it so that it behaves more like IE.
This is MADNESS. Then again, who gives a toss about Netscape anyway?
Well, I've yet to have any problems with IE mispositioning things... I guess we code differently ;)
How can you say you've never come across positioning problems, then, if you aren't testing anything personally? IE5 width hacks and 3px float problems are 2 common IE ****-ups. IE's lack of standards support is common knowledge. Why are you disputing it?
I don't know what you "code" but it appears you don't test the websites your produce. Some would call that amateurish. Anyone who has worked with CSS and web standards would be weary of the amount of effort they have had to waste working around IE's lack of CSS/standards support. If you haven't come across these bugs, as you sugget, then you must be working inside some IE-only goldfish bowl.
I can't, for the life of me, understand why Firefox doesn't have a Quick Launch option on Windows as does Mozilla. Mozilla boots just as quickly as IE6 on my XP box with Quick Launch enabled.
The point is not how much market share Firefox or Mozilla have by themselves. The point is that 11% of users are not using IE so that must surely make the owners of IE-only ecommerce sites think again.
There are so many web standards zealots proselytising the advantage of CSS positioning over layout tables but I contend that the reason standards adoption has been so slow is that CSS can be used to create very complicated combinations of inheritance, floating and sizing which make nested tables look like child's play. Consequently, I think browser manufacturers have found the CSS spec very difficult to implement properly. Rendering a nested table or two was never half so difficult as rendering a complex CSS layout.
This is a secondary aspect of web browser usage. The deciding factor for the long-term success of any browser is how well it renders web pages and, ultimately, how it supports web standards.
With IE market share around 90% we are entering a long-awaited period of relief from total M$ market domination. 10% non-IE is enough for web developers to be able to remind PHBs that their shiny IE-only ecommerce site is now losing them 10% of potential customers. Web developers are now in a position to generate a great deal of business by contacting the owners of such sites and recommending an "upgrade"
The Counter says IE has 91% market share:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/November/br owser.php
So far the money/fun/job security/supply of work have all been better for the small tiny jobs.
So, what did you use? Perl/PHP with MySQL? I'm curious. I work only with small companies and the work is more enjoyable than I imagine it would be within a large-scale project. Perl and MySQL seem to fit my clients' needs, though PHP has become an unavoidable add-on recently :-(
A single application should crash, or run slowly but it should never crash the entire operating system or use up all the operating system's resources.
'Seen Mozilla use 99.9% CPU on OS X many times with script-heavy web pages. While it didn't crash the OS it made it virtually unusable, other than for issuing 'kill -9' from the Terminal.
Good old Debian, hey? :-)
Philip Crow wrote a very original piece on how to avoid OOP and still use patterns with Perl's special built-in features
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/08/15/design3.htm l
(cough) you're forgetting something:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemac s.html
For how long have we been told IT staff are being made redundant? Now, all of a sudden, we're in shorts supply.
However kewel and ubiquitous the practice may be it is grammatical nonesense to make an assertion and attempt to negate it by tagging "NOT" onto the end. It makes me wince every time I witness the English language being butchered thus.
Such a cost saving!? Did anyone factor-in the cost of being hit by the next NetSky/SoBig/.... ? Thought not.
Ths installation is the fastest and simplest of any unix ....
Depends what you're smoking. Are you telling me that manaul partitioning with OpenBSD's hellish tools is anything like RedHat/Mandrake's polished graphical config? Sorry, but there's no comparison. If you thought Debian's installer was bad, OpenBSD's curses-based nightmare is strictly for masochists.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upgradephp5/index.h tml