I have to say I thought this particular review sounded more like publisher hype than the average Slashdot review. Where was the numerical rating, for example, or the Good/Bad weighting at the end?
I can't count the times that I see this "cool script" out there that does this "awesome thing". Then, I take a look at it, the entire thing is a hack job,
Case in point. This cool, much reviewed open source e-commerce app:
Prolly referring to PerlScript, the bastard offspring of the venerable pachyderm which lives inside ASP. Rather than the usual Embrace And Extend this seems more like Billy G's attempt to castrate the Camel.
Some web pages, such as photo albums, actually increase in size when converted to CSS layout. The idea that replacing table tags with equivalent div's and span's somehow reduces code bloat is a misconception.
As for accessibility, would someone please present the case for improving devices which help minorities to access existing content instead of having the majority limit their design options to cater for poorly-featured devices? Isn't this back-to-front thinking?
I couldn't agree more. The time invested in perfecting CSS does NOT repay itself with most sites. CSS takes much longer to get right than table-based design and CSS-P was something of an afterthought, hence the contortions required to do some things in CSS which are trivial with tables, eg. getting the background colour of a column to extend to the largest height of a group of columns.
The sheer weight of hacks required to make CSS work makes me wonder, with Opera 7.5 STILL not getting there, whether the CSS specification was badly conceived in that it appears to be very difficult for browser manufacturers to implement. The latest version of Dreamweaver also has problems rendering floated elements properly so maybe CSS is just too darned complex for efficient rendering? Maybe tables are simpler despite the amount of code they generate?
I dislike Flash as much as the next/.er and never use it but I gotta agree with the parent - for producing cute kids' games and sophisticated animations there ain't anything else.
Let M$ delude themselves into believing this will alter a jot. They're so blinkered that they think this kind of thing will turn government IT depatments away from OSS. Hah! It'll probably convince them to accelerate the transition to OSS once they realise what crap is inside that black box called Office and how, even with the code visisble, their hands are tied.
Every move M$ is making right now (Longhorn, DRM etc.) gets me excited about how many more users they're driving to towards OSS.
I just don't get it. How can a company like Mandrake, which is on its knees financially, turn out a product which boasts the latest this-that-and-the-other without taking a look at whether basic networking is ****ed? I don't care if it's Community. It worked in the previous release so why is it now broken?
The other issue I have with Mandrake is that I still can't get it to do 1152x864 with anything over 75hz vertical sync. This is 2004. It's madness. Fedora has no problem with this. Again, how can a distro claim to be a specialised desktop distro when such basic features are missing?
I used to be a loyal Mandrake fan up to the release of 9.2 but 10 destroyed every gain Mandrake ever made. Ethernet configuration and networking was broken at the most basic level with cards that worked with 9.2. It wasn't fixed and I gave up. Fedora has never given me such problems.
I can only see this as another nail in Longhorn's coffin. Now if they'd only ship their proprietary SQL filesystem that would make my day as I'm convinced that no-one with a clue would think of using it. This will fail as surely as did Intel's Fritz chip.
I got into Linux around the transition between RedHat 7 and 8 but had to run 'doze for webdev apps like Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Now I have a G5, 3 Linux boxes and one XP box which is ONLY used for viewing web pages hosted locally on Apache 1.3.31/PHP4&5/mod_perl/Fedora 2. With SAMBA 3 running on the Linux machines I keep all my files on 100% Linux goodness and backup to the G5 on a second disk. So, XP to me is nothing more than a thin client. Well, there's Kazaa Lite, I suppose but anytime soon I expect there will be something equivalent for Linux.
Dreamweaver I hardly use at all these days since discovering the joy of Perl's Template Toolkit. Emacs with HTML-helper mode has everything I need for hand-coding. Photoshop I can run on the G5. Even my 9-year-old daughter prefers Fedora and my G5 to the XP machine she has to use at her mum's most of the time.
For ***** sake. Can't we just get proper XHTML/CSS support nailed down first before we add to the morass of plugins and their incompatible versions? I also don't want to see the web turned into TV a la Flash. Soon the only people hired to design websites will be animators and Disney will rule the internet.
It's 7 months since I had the thing but I had it set to its default - must be 1920 as you suggest. Anyway, compared with what I have on it now - a 19" Formac at 1280x1024 the 23" Apple display was crap. The res was simply too high for anything one normally does as a web developer. I don't agree that more space is always a win if you have to sacrifice legibility. No, resetting the font-size doesn't change res within apps.
I bought an Apple 23" Cinema display to go with my new G5 last November. I took one look at it set to its default resolution (1600x1200) and sent it back to Apple. For anything other than video editing these displays are absolutely useless. LCDs lose clarity at anything other than their default resolution and even with 23" 1600x1200 is far too high for work with text and static images.
Apple should include a warning with these products to the effect that they are only useful for video editing. You can fiddle with your desktop text settings 'til the cows come home but load a web page in Dreamweaver or a logo in Photoshop and you'll see how the Cinema display compounds the problem of working with Apple's native 72dpi.
It won't be long before Javascript is considered a complete security risk and it's the web developers who are going to suffer. Despite the rantings of sysadmins who don't touch web development it is actually a very useful language to supplement HTML.
Javascript menus and first pass form validation, anyone?
Unfortunately the Perl community has a marketing problem. Stas Beckman in "Practical mod_perl" specifically advises against using mod_perl in a shared hosting environment so that means Perl with decent performance is only available in the more expensive hosting deals. Hence PHP is what newbie web developers learn simply because it's available.
Just installed XP SP1. Next, go to Windows Update. Download critical updates. Install updates. Wait... and wait.... and wait.... and wait.... and wait... (disk getting one helluva workout, whirring away... freeze. No updates installed. Is this what the party is all about?
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I have to say I thought this particular review sounded more like publisher hype than the average Slashdot review. Where was the numerical rating, for example, or the Good/Bad weighting at the end?
I can't count the times that I see this "cool script" out there that does this "awesome thing". Then, I take a look at it, the entire thing is a hack job,
Case in point. This cool, much reviewed open source e-commerce app:
http://www.oscommerce.com/
Prolly referring to PerlScript, the bastard offspring of the venerable pachyderm which lives inside ASP. Rather than the usual Embrace And Extend this seems more like Billy G's attempt to castrate the Camel.
... on The Register .... yesterday ..... or was it the day before?
Let's try again :-) I think that should be:
.photo_gallery img {
I think that should be: .phot_gallery img {
border:blah;
display:blah;
} .img would imply
Damn, my CRT's nearly 4 years old. Couldn't work out why I was looking paler in recent years.
Some web pages, such as photo albums, actually increase in size when converted to CSS layout. The idea that replacing table tags with equivalent div's and span's somehow reduces code bloat is a misconception.
As for accessibility, would someone please present the case for improving devices which help minorities to access existing content instead of having the majority limit their design options to cater for poorly-featured devices? Isn't this back-to-front thinking?
I couldn't agree more. The time invested in perfecting CSS does NOT repay itself with most sites. CSS takes much longer to get right than table-based design and CSS-P was something of an afterthought, hence the contortions required to do some things in CSS which are trivial with tables, eg. getting the background colour of a column to extend to the largest height of a group of columns.
The sheer weight of hacks required to make CSS work makes me wonder, with Opera 7.5 STILL not getting there, whether the CSS specification was badly conceived in that it appears to be very difficult for browser manufacturers to implement. The latest version of Dreamweaver also has problems rendering floated elements properly so maybe CSS is just too darned complex for efficient rendering? Maybe tables are simpler despite the amount of code they generate?
I dislike Flash as much as the next /.er and never use it but I gotta agree with the parent - for producing cute kids' games and sophisticated animations there ain't anything else.
Let M$ delude themselves into believing this will alter a jot. They're so blinkered that they think this kind of thing will turn government IT depatments away from OSS. Hah! It'll probably convince them to accelerate the transition to OSS once they realise what crap is inside that black box called Office and how, even with the code visisble, their hands are tied.
Every move M$ is making right now (Longhorn, DRM etc.) gets me excited about how many more users they're driving to towards OSS.
I just don't get it. How can a company like Mandrake, which is on its knees financially, turn out a product which boasts the latest this-that-and-the-other without taking a look at whether basic networking is ****ed? I don't care if it's Community. It worked in the previous release so why is it now broken?
The other issue I have with Mandrake is that I still can't get it to do 1152x864 with anything over 75hz vertical sync. This is 2004. It's madness. Fedora has no problem with this. Again, how can a distro claim to be a specialised desktop distro when such basic features are missing?
I used to be a loyal Mandrake fan up to the release of 9.2 but 10 destroyed every gain Mandrake ever made. Ethernet configuration and networking was broken at the most basic level with cards that worked with 9.2. It wasn't fixed and I gave up. Fedora has never given me such problems.
I can only see this as another nail in Longhorn's coffin. Now if they'd only ship their proprietary SQL filesystem that would make my day as I'm convinced that no-one with a clue would think of using it. This will fail as surely as did Intel's Fritz chip.
I got into Linux around the transition between RedHat 7 and 8 but had to run 'doze for webdev apps like Dreamweaver and Photoshop. Now I have a G5, 3 Linux boxes and one XP box which is ONLY used for viewing web pages hosted locally on Apache 1.3.31/PHP4&5/mod_perl/Fedora 2. With SAMBA 3 running on the Linux machines I keep all my files on 100% Linux goodness and backup to the G5 on a second disk. So, XP to me is nothing more than a thin client. Well, there's Kazaa Lite, I suppose but anytime soon I expect there will be something equivalent for Linux.
Dreamweaver I hardly use at all these days since discovering the joy of Perl's Template Toolkit. Emacs with HTML-helper mode has everything I need for hand-coding. Photoshop I can run on the G5. Even my 9-year-old daughter prefers Fedora and my G5 to the XP machine she has to use at her mum's most of the time.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics
Whilst I support the Linux cause Eric Raymond espouses, 3% of shipped PCs is hardly cause for celebration.
Or this: White Box Linux
For ***** sake. Can't we just get proper XHTML/CSS support nailed down first before we add to the morass of plugins and their incompatible versions? I also don't want to see the web turned into TV a la Flash. Soon the only people hired to design websites will be animators and Disney will rule the internet.
It's 7 months since I had the thing but I had it set to its default - must be 1920 as you suggest. Anyway, compared with what I have on it now - a 19" Formac at 1280x1024 the 23" Apple display was crap. The res was simply too high for anything one normally does as a web developer. I don't agree that more space is always a win if you have to sacrifice legibility. No, resetting the font-size doesn't change res within apps.
I bought an Apple 23" Cinema display to go with my new G5 last November. I took one look at it set to its default resolution (1600x1200) and sent it back to Apple. For anything other than video editing these displays are absolutely useless. LCDs lose clarity at anything other than their default resolution and even with 23" 1600x1200 is far too high for work with text and static images.
Apple should include a warning with these products to the effect that they are only useful for video editing. You can fiddle with your desktop text settings 'til the cows come home but load a web page in Dreamweaver or a logo in Photoshop and you'll see how the Cinema display compounds the problem of working with Apple's native 72dpi.
It won't be long before Javascript is considered a complete security risk and it's the web developers who are going to suffer. Despite the rantings of sysadmins who don't touch web development it is actually a very useful language to supplement HTML.
Javascript menus and first pass form validation, anyone?
Care to post the URL? Even better would be the BEFORE and AFTER pages, ie. PR version and CSS version.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/
Unfortunately the Perl community has a marketing problem. Stas Beckman in "Practical mod_perl" specifically advises against using mod_perl in a shared hosting environment so that means Perl with decent performance is only available in the more expensive hosting deals. Hence PHP is what newbie web developers learn simply because it's available.
Just installed XP SP1. Next, go to Windows Update. Download critical updates. Install updates. Wait ... and wait .... and wait .... and wait .... and wait ... (disk getting one helluva workout, whirring away ... freeze. No updates installed. Is this what the party is all about?