for wasting money, and granted this was waste in the name of violating rights and legislating morality, when you get down to it $2,000,000 is rather cheap for a screw up of this scale.
I actually like and use Google+, but I will admit low levels of participation is sometimes a pain to deal with. At least I see less kitty pictures and stock repeat crap on it.
Instead of threatening to sue everyone into oblivion if they don't calm down they can at least use "prior patent" to deflate everyone else's claims and offer licensing at the mentioned reasonable fee, or even free to Android manufacturers.
That's assuming they find something they can deflate the other claims with.
They're by no means perfect, but when compared to other companies their size Google does proportionately less evil.
I'm hoping their search engine finds the "nuclear" patent holed up somewhere in Motorola's recently acquired portfolio that allows them to put an end to the other companies sue everyone else wars between Apple, Samsung and every other manufacturer out there. The "one patent to trump them all" wielded by Google that could put everyone else in a hurt locker unless they calm down and agree to play nice would be a dream and allow honest development and competition to resume.
I'm dreaming I know. I would like wielding of patents as a weapon to go away, but hopefully a big one in the rights hands could fix some issues.
Still different distribution channels. Usually, even if they tie into the same fiber bundle at some point, telephone data is usually isolated from normal internet traffic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on the commercial voice end telephone still gets it's own fibers and will still have it's own powered huts for tying into old fashioned analog phones, even if the back/switching end it IP.
VIS is the Apollo/early shuttle era system DVIS replaced, and also why the touchscreen devices DVIS uses for terminals are called "keysets" despite the lack of having any keys or buttons of any type. VIS had a pile of push buttons.
No, the system DVIS is being replaced by is called DVICE, it's using copper. It also has touchscreens, only instead of the really old "break the beam" screens it has what I think is a resistive touch screen, but I'm not 100% on the type.
For regular voice it's not really a problem, but for other things it can be, fortunately those are going away also.
The problem is digital voice. IP Voice service almost always has some compression and decompression involved which creates a delay between a word being spoken and being heard. This is why you get an echo instead of feedback when you have your buddy has his speakers up to high on a Skype call. Usually not much of an issue, but I have noticed an increase in trying to talk over the top of one another since voice has gone IP. Used to the near instantaneous transmission the older equipment had let you pick up on ques from the other side that allowed for more politeness.
This doesn't matter much to most people, but it's why NASA went with analog over fiber for the DVIS system (which I have a minor role in supporting at JSC) and why the VIS system we are slowly replacing it with also doesn't use "normal" compressed IP, we're going back to copper on VIS.
It's also going to have an affect on modems. I know most consumers don't use modems anymore and even most business uses have gone away, but there are still some uses here and there, credit card processing, backup connections etc.. The transition to IP for sound can be the work/not work on a less than stellar connection otherwise.
I personally think going to IP is great, but I felt the need to play devils advocate for just a moment.
You obviously don't read Slashdot much, and you pretend Codecs are hardwired, and to top it off you reply with as though specific dates you outlined were required in order for my statement to be relevant in an attempt to confuse the issue.
You're probably right. OS X is just so much more difficult to figure out than Linux, Windows 9x, some NT Variant, or BSD. My God, how do all of these hipsters with their liberals arts degrees ever even get this Über difficult OS to run at all? In the middle of a coffee shop no less!
You mean Ogg/Vorbis? Ogg/Theora? Some sort of CODEC to make a web standard that wasn't proprietary? I wouldn't call making the web useful to everyone was a pet project, yet Apple led the charge on making sure the officially selected default format would not be open.
I stand corrected - mostly. The company needs to drop his vendettas now that he's gone. They can keep a very respectful and profitable company while protecting their IP without the vendettas.
I've had three different iPhones, an original, my 16GB 3G and the 8GB 3G I bought used to replace the 16GB one I broke. I now have an Evo 4G.
They are both great phones for different reasons and other than the fact they both have touch interfaces and cover the same basic functions they're nothing alike. When I first started using Android there was quite a learning curve. I had to get used to the "pull down shutter" interface at the top (which I now love BTW), I had to get used to the applications existing not just on multiple desktops if I so desire but in an actual application "drawer". My Android phone multi-task. The music interface is inferior to the iPhone, but it plays Ogg/Vorbis and I even figured out how to embed album covers in the file and make them display. The lack of being stuck with only Apple approved formats an iTunes was a huge improvement to me.
Maybe the Google guys did run off with a couple of iPhone ideas, but as a consumer who's used both the two platforms are incredibly different and the Google stuff on my old iPhone is a lot of what made my old iPhone usable - it's not like Apple's never taken anyone else's idea.
The anti-Android vendetta needs to stop.
The Pystar / Mac Clone thing, meh, could go either way, I think they have a debatable case there (yes, they won the debate, I'm talking about my perspective).
Intentionally setting iPhones to brick if you try to break the bootloader is just incredibly prickish and even though I'm not sure if they should be civilly liable for that or not I still think Steve and others on his staff making sure it happened needed to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts for making that happen. Really, once you sell it to someone else it's not yours anymore.
No, you knife someone, you marry a rich guy (I'm leaving out details on that), even after being convicted of felonies and including drug use you use the rich guy to buy the kid the other two have in common from the court system by fighting a seven year court battle against a guy who has security clearances from three different three letter federal agencies.
Nope, you become a good enough sociopath you get your way on everything, especially if you go up against someone who has a moral platform that prevents them from using underhanded tactics.
Personal dealings. I gave up on Apple over it and I have run into other people who've said the same, but it seems to be an issue no one else cares about, or it may have been something to do with trying to use non-Apple approved generic external housings and off the shelf desktop drives. Works great on non-Apple and it may even work fine on Lion or possibly even later patches of Snow Leopard. Apple lost me over it so I don't know anymore.
I've never bashed (modern) Apple products on their hardware design, actual ease of use or elegance. I wan't a Mac Book Pro that isn't a Mac Book Pro so bad it hurts. I had a company issued Mac Book Pro at one point (I had to give back) and I really missed the awesome hardware. Now that Dell offers the XPS Z series and Samsung offers their rather impressive knock-offs I may just have that void fulfilled. BTW, I wouldn't trade my Acer Aspire One for a Mac Book Air, despite the fact I could trade the Air for two of mine.
I am personally a paradox, I love the Apples sleek approach to things, but I like making my own choices also. Fortunately as long as you give me the basic hardware almost all modern notebooks have and let me make some of my own choices in software setup I'm a happy camper. If Steve would have produced the hardware he did, produced the software he did, only take the padlocks off of a few things and let the users make a few extra choices for themselves Apple would in my opinion be the best thing ever.
Instead I'm sticking with PC's, Linux, Android and making my own choices while keeping a really close eye on what's happening over in the ARM world. I want an nVidia Tegra developers board so bad it hurts, it would make such an awesome car stereo with Android or a touch version of KDE on it (with a big button touch music player).
I could put program and data disk into the AcomData Firewire/USB housings and do as I pleased, I could install programs, read normal data and even write blank disk. I have a large DVD and CD collection so I wanted to rip them to my NAS drive. Mac OSX refused to acknowledge audio CD's and DVD movies in my AcomData housings, they gave a drive label but wouldn't even play audio or movies with the native players, much less let me rip anything. I successfully used the same housings with both USB and FireWire on my very slow Toshiba Tecra A5 and later on my own custom built desktop - both running Kubuntu, I may have actually started with straight up Debian on the Toshiba before switching.
Every board I asked for support on got exactly the same "Huh?" response you gave, save one who said that's just the way it is.
I could use the internal drive just fine, but with the size of my collection I really didn't want to wear out the much more expensive internal drive on my Mac Mini. This issue, though not a concern to most people, is one of the biggest reasons I ditched Apple all together. I suspect it might have worked if I had actually bought Apple branded products or "official" third parts stuff from the Apple store instead of my generic PC hardware, but I was a knowledgeable computer user who used to think OS X was incredibly awesome, not a fanboy. The message board where they told me it was on purpose I replied "why did they break the mount command since it works in BSD?" They replied it wasn't broke. (I think I tried it in PSBSD once also, but I haven't dumped a whole lot of time into BSD actual)
I've only had one that went nuclear on me, I've had another go into a self harm spiral, and another that still contacts me trying to get back together despite breaking it off 17 years ago when I was in high-school. The others were parted for various other reasons. Sure I'm the constant, I'm the constant that watches others wig the hell out because they have no control over their emotions.
none of that, I've got a nice set of knife scars to remind me how some people react to not getting their way, or at least having their supply of drug money cut off
Even though Google hasn't been 100% faithful to it's "Do no evil" policy it's done better than most companies.
I hope among Motorola's patents Google finds a patent trump card it can use to point a cannon at every other phone maker out there to strong arm everyone else into dropping all of their own patent suits. "The Nuclear Patent" that way we can get on with actually improving things and getting better phones instead of just tiptoeing around the patent wars.
The man outright stated he was willing to bankrupt the company he was in charge of making a profit for in order to avenge a perceived theft.
I would say the guy has reality, vengeance, and anger issues that rivals that of women I've let into my life.
Seriously, the guy had a very elegant approach to things, that's why Apple is very popular among those who don't mind having choices made for them, because despite the premium they're good solid choices as long as you don't have anything outside the box to accomplish. There's no doubt in my mind the guy had control issues, the fit he threw when the iPhone boot-loader was cracked, the fact he won't let you deal with multi-media data on external USB/FireWire drives on Mac OS X, the FUD he had the company spread about OGG/Vorbis, and the face Apple officially doesn't even acknowledge Linux exist even though it counts MS/Windows as a bonus feature combined with temper and obsessiveness stories that leaked about his first term as CEO tells me Jobs was likely a sociopath.
Almost everything is Intel, even the AC97 audio which Linux should handle just fine. I can understand a TI FireWire controller being buggy.
Just for fun lsusb:
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. BCM2046B1 USB 2.0 Hub (part of BCM2046 Bluetooth) Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0a5c:4502 Broadcom Corp. Keyboard (Boot Interface Subclass) Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp. Mouse (Boot Interface Subclass) Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0a5c:2148 Broadcom Corp. Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0930:0508 Toshiba Corp. Integrated Bluetooth HCI
Oddly enough that last line - ID 0930:0508 Toshiba Corp. Integrated Bluetooth HCI - I spent all day trying to find an onboard bluetooth controller for that system and I couldn't even find proof the thing existed even though it said it does on the case, that's why you see the Broadcom one in there. Now I'm curious to see if I can get the built in one working, seriously, last time I looked it didn't even show up on an lsusb.
This is a requirement. I make sure that crap is disabled and nothing calls that or the rest of Akonadi to start. The insistence by the developers of trying to force that crap on people mystifies me when the rest of it works so well without it.
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for wasting money, and granted this was waste in the name of violating rights and legislating morality, when you get down to it $2,000,000 is rather cheap for a screw up of this scale.
I actually like and use Google+, but I will admit low levels of participation is sometimes a pain to deal with. At least I see less kitty pictures and stock repeat crap on it.
Well, there's another approach.
Instead of threatening to sue everyone into oblivion if they don't calm down they can at least use "prior patent" to deflate everyone else's claims and offer licensing at the mentioned reasonable fee, or even free to Android manufacturers.
That's assuming they find something they can deflate the other claims with.
They're by no means perfect, but when compared to other companies their size Google does proportionately less evil.
I'm hoping their search engine finds the "nuclear" patent holed up somewhere in Motorola's recently acquired portfolio that allows them to put an end to the other companies sue everyone else wars between Apple, Samsung and every other manufacturer out there. The "one patent to trump them all" wielded by Google that could put everyone else in a hurt locker unless they calm down and agree to play nice would be a dream and allow honest development and competition to resume.
I'm dreaming I know. I would like wielding of patents as a weapon to go away, but hopefully a big one in the rights hands could fix some issues.
Still different distribution channels. Usually, even if they tie into the same fiber bundle at some point, telephone data is usually isolated from normal internet traffic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on the commercial voice end telephone still gets it's own fibers and will still have it's own powered huts for tying into old fashioned analog phones, even if the back/switching end it IP.
NEED MORE COFFEE
VIS is the Apollo/early shuttle era system DVIS replaced, and also why the touchscreen devices DVIS uses for terminals are called "keysets" despite the lack of having any keys or buttons of any type. VIS had a pile of push buttons.
No, the system DVIS is being replaced by is called DVICE, it's using copper. It also has touchscreens, only instead of the really old "break the beam" screens it has what I think is a resistive touch screen, but I'm not 100% on the type.
For regular voice it's not really a problem, but for other things it can be, fortunately those are going away also.
The problem is digital voice. IP Voice service almost always has some compression and decompression involved which creates a delay between a word being spoken and being heard. This is why you get an echo instead of feedback when you have your buddy has his speakers up to high on a Skype call. Usually not much of an issue, but I have noticed an increase in trying to talk over the top of one another since voice has gone IP. Used to the near instantaneous transmission the older equipment had let you pick up on ques from the other side that allowed for more politeness.
This doesn't matter much to most people, but it's why NASA went with analog over fiber for the DVIS system (which I have a minor role in supporting at JSC) and why the VIS system we are slowly replacing it with also doesn't use "normal" compressed IP, we're going back to copper on VIS.
It's also going to have an affect on modems. I know most consumers don't use modems anymore and even most business uses have gone away, but there are still some uses here and there, credit card processing, backup connections etc.. The transition to IP for sound can be the work/not work on a less than stellar connection otherwise.
I personally think going to IP is great, but I felt the need to play devils advocate for just a moment.
Are you a professional apologist or just a fan boy?
You obviously don't read Slashdot much, and you pretend Codecs are hardwired, and to top it off you reply with as though specific dates you outlined were required in order for my statement to be relevant in an attempt to confuse the issue.
and Nokia
APPLE FUD keeps it proprietary
AGAINST APPLES PROTEST Nokia is the bigger part of this one
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/09/23/2128254/the-looming-video-codec-fight
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/1344256/apples-html5-and-standards-gallery-not-standard
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/07/13/1430232/w3c-chastises-apple-on-html5-patenting
Citation enough for you?
You're probably right. OS X is just so much more difficult to figure out than Linux, Windows 9x, some NT Variant, or BSD. My God, how do all of these hipsters with their liberals arts degrees ever even get this Über difficult OS to run at all? In the middle of a coffee shop no less!
My pet projects?
You mean Ogg/Vorbis? Ogg/Theora? Some sort of CODEC to make a web standard that wasn't proprietary? I wouldn't call making the web useful to everyone was a pet project, yet Apple led the charge on making sure the officially selected default format would not be open.
I stand corrected - mostly. The company needs to drop his vendettas now that he's gone. They can keep a very respectful and profitable company while protecting their IP without the vendettas.
I've had three different iPhones, an original, my 16GB 3G and the 8GB 3G I bought used to replace the 16GB one I broke. I now have an Evo 4G.
They are both great phones for different reasons and other than the fact they both have touch interfaces and cover the same basic functions they're nothing alike. When I first started using Android there was quite a learning curve. I had to get used to the "pull down shutter" interface at the top (which I now love BTW), I had to get used to the applications existing not just on multiple desktops if I so desire but in an actual application "drawer". My Android phone multi-task. The music interface is inferior to the iPhone, but it plays Ogg/Vorbis and I even figured out how to embed album covers in the file and make them display. The lack of being stuck with only Apple approved formats an iTunes was a huge improvement to me.
Maybe the Google guys did run off with a couple of iPhone ideas, but as a consumer who's used both the two platforms are incredibly different and the Google stuff on my old iPhone is a lot of what made my old iPhone usable - it's not like Apple's never taken anyone else's idea.
The anti-Android vendetta needs to stop.
The Pystar / Mac Clone thing, meh, could go either way, I think they have a debatable case there (yes, they won the debate, I'm talking about my perspective).
Intentionally setting iPhones to brick if you try to break the bootloader is just incredibly prickish and even though I'm not sure if they should be civilly liable for that or not I still think Steve and others on his staff making sure it happened needed to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts for making that happen. Really, once you sell it to someone else it's not yours anymore.
No, you knife someone, you marry a rich guy (I'm leaving out details on that), even after being convicted of felonies and including drug use you use the rich guy to buy the kid the other two have in common from the court system by fighting a seven year court battle against a guy who has security clearances from three different three letter federal agencies.
Nope, you become a good enough sociopath you get your way on everything, especially if you go up against someone who has a moral platform that prevents them from using underhanded tactics.
Personal dealings. I gave up on Apple over it and I have run into other people who've said the same, but it seems to be an issue no one else cares about, or it may have been something to do with trying to use non-Apple approved generic external housings and off the shelf desktop drives. Works great on non-Apple and it may even work fine on Lion or possibly even later patches of Snow Leopard. Apple lost me over it so I don't know anymore.
I second your comment.
No doubt.
I've never bashed (modern) Apple products on their hardware design, actual ease of use or elegance. I wan't a Mac Book Pro that isn't a Mac Book Pro so bad it hurts. I had a company issued Mac Book Pro at one point (I had to give back) and I really missed the awesome hardware. Now that Dell offers the XPS Z series and Samsung offers their rather impressive knock-offs I may just have that void fulfilled. BTW, I wouldn't trade my Acer Aspire One for a Mac Book Air, despite the fact I could trade the Air for two of mine.
I am personally a paradox, I love the Apples sleek approach to things, but I like making my own choices also. Fortunately as long as you give me the basic hardware almost all modern notebooks have and let me make some of my own choices in software setup I'm a happy camper. If Steve would have produced the hardware he did, produced the software he did, only take the padlocks off of a few things and let the users make a few extra choices for themselves Apple would in my opinion be the best thing ever.
Instead I'm sticking with PC's, Linux, Android and making my own choices while keeping a really close eye on what's happening over in the ARM world. I want an nVidia Tegra developers board so bad it hurts, it would make such an awesome car stereo with Android or a touch version of KDE on it (with a big button touch music player).
I wish I could mod you up in a thread I participated in.
Last Mac I ran, OS-X Tiger through Snow Leopard.
I could put program and data disk into the AcomData Firewire/USB housings and do as I pleased, I could install programs, read normal data and even write blank disk. I have a large DVD and CD collection so I wanted to rip them to my NAS drive. Mac OSX refused to acknowledge audio CD's and DVD movies in my AcomData housings, they gave a drive label but wouldn't even play audio or movies with the native players, much less let me rip anything. I successfully used the same housings with both USB and FireWire on my very slow Toshiba Tecra A5 and later on my own custom built desktop - both running Kubuntu, I may have actually started with straight up Debian on the Toshiba before switching.
Every board I asked for support on got exactly the same "Huh?" response you gave, save one who said that's just the way it is.
I could use the internal drive just fine, but with the size of my collection I really didn't want to wear out the much more expensive internal drive on my Mac Mini. This issue, though not a concern to most people, is one of the biggest reasons I ditched Apple all together. I suspect it might have worked if I had actually bought Apple branded products or "official" third parts stuff from the Apple store instead of my generic PC hardware, but I was a knowledgeable computer user who used to think OS X was incredibly awesome, not a fanboy. The message board where they told me it was on purpose I replied "why did they break the mount command since it works in BSD?" They replied it wasn't broke. (I think I tried it in PSBSD once also, but I haven't dumped a whole lot of time into BSD actual)
I've only had one that went nuclear on me, I've had another go into a self harm spiral, and another that still contacts me trying to get back together despite breaking it off 17 years ago when I was in high-school. The others were parted for various other reasons. Sure I'm the constant, I'm the constant that watches others wig the hell out because they have no control over their emotions.
none of that, I've got a nice set of knife scars to remind me how some people react to not getting their way, or at least having their supply of drug money cut off
Even though Google hasn't been 100% faithful to it's "Do no evil" policy it's done better than most companies.
I hope among Motorola's patents Google finds a patent trump card it can use to point a cannon at every other phone maker out there to strong arm everyone else into dropping all of their own patent suits. "The Nuclear Patent" that way we can get on with actually improving things and getting better phones instead of just tiptoeing around the patent wars.
to achieve his goals.
The man outright stated he was willing to bankrupt the company he was in charge of making a profit for in order to avenge a perceived theft.
I would say the guy has reality, vengeance, and anger issues that rivals that of women I've let into my life.
Seriously, the guy had a very elegant approach to things, that's why Apple is very popular among those who don't mind having choices made for them, because despite the premium they're good solid choices as long as you don't have anything outside the box to accomplish. There's no doubt in my mind the guy had control issues, the fit he threw when the iPhone boot-loader was cracked, the fact he won't let you deal with multi-media data on external USB/FireWire drives on Mac OS X, the FUD he had the company spread about OGG/Vorbis, and the face Apple officially doesn't even acknowledge Linux exist even though it counts MS/Windows as a bonus feature combined with temper and obsessiveness stories that leaked about his first term as CEO tells me Jobs was likely a sociopath.
So - Sega could have made the 32X successful if they had just put it in the cartridges?
---hey, who threw that knife at me?
My LSPCI on the elderly notebook in question:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d3)
00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.3 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce Go 6200] (rev a1)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8036 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
06:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
06:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
06:04.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
06:04.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
06:04.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller
Almost everything is Intel, even the AC97 audio which Linux should handle just fine. I can understand a TI FireWire controller being buggy.
Just for fun lsusb:
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. BCM2046B1 USB 2.0 Hub (part of BCM2046 Bluetooth)
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0a5c:4502 Broadcom Corp. Keyboard (Boot Interface Subclass)
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp. Mouse (Boot Interface Subclass)
Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0a5c:2148 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0930:0508 Toshiba Corp. Integrated Bluetooth HCI
Oddly enough that last line - ID 0930:0508 Toshiba Corp. Integrated Bluetooth HCI - I spent all day trying to find an onboard bluetooth controller for that system and I couldn't even find proof the thing existed even though it said it does on the case, that's why you see the Broadcom one in there. Now I'm curious to see if I can get the built in one working, seriously, last time I looked it didn't even show up on an lsusb.
This is a requirement. I make sure that crap is disabled and nothing calls that or the rest of Akonadi to start. The insistence by the developers of trying to force that crap on people mystifies me when the rest of it works so well without it.