Listen AC asshole. Why don't you look at his profile or the link to his website? His site says he is from McAllen, Texas. Last I checked, English is the first langauge of most legal Texans. I looked at his profile before I commented, did you?
I also was not commenting on his english but on his formatting and his presentation.
If you decide to reply, please make sure it isn't anonymously so I can at least put you on my foes list.
they dont have a God giving gift to make a profit.
I assume you mean a God-given gift. What does God have to do with any of this anyway? They are a for-profit organization so maybe God didn't give them the right to make a profit but US (and French in the case of Vivendi) Law surely does. Actually, they have an obligation to their shareholders to do what they feel is best for the company and that includes making a profit and protecting their IP.
im not sure why they even brought out the argument that bnetd is pirating software.
They never said that Bnetd is pirating. They said that "Servers that emulate Battle.net facilitate [emphasis added] software piracy of Blizzard products by circumventing Blizzard's authentication code."
On a side note - you're 23 (according to your info page) and it is about time you learned how to write your posts in a somewhat intelligible manner.
Today must be pick on Skapare day. Considering there are at least 4-5 million auctions going on at any give time your "No paypal" search is around 1% of the total. No really statistically significant. What is even worse is that I did a search on "paypal only" and got 97,428 hits.
You should work for the press because you are great at misrepresenting facts.
Maybe he doesn't have his head in his ass and went to any of the hundreds of sites dedicated to it, downloaded the SDK from Microsoft, purchased VS.Net, or (shock - horror) actually read the information on the Mono website.
Well repeaters and signal boosters are all perfectly legal.
Never said it wasn't. Would make it pretty difficult on apartment buildings if it was.
If I let my friend borrow my tape, and he made a himself a copy and returned it that would be ok then?
Video tapes are kinda fuzzy all around. Just like music tapes there isn't as big of a concern about copying. If you had a digital copy of the show and your friend copied it then you may have a problem.
So the issue, as you see it, isn't the action but the number of people?
First, how I see it is not at issue here. I personally think the whole thing is ridiculous. I am explaining to you the way the industry, and probably the courts, would see it. Please don't believe that any of this is my opinion. Second, of course number makes a difference. Fair use doesn't allow for you sharing with large amounts of people. What is large is up to interpretation.
So I guess the next thing we'll have to do is put a counter on everything in the library. Loaning out that video tape to 100 patrons is ok, but once we hit some magical number (100,000, 1,000,000) it becomes a crime?
Again we are talking about loaning versus copying. The library is not making a copy for you so they are not doing anything "wrong." If I remember correctly it says somewhere on the agreement you fill out to get your library card that you won't make copies.
How is that any different than if 10 people record that episode and "share" it with 1,499,990 "friends" over the internet.
Well this is the fuzzy area when it comes to broadcast TV. If you include the original commercials with the distribution then you probably should be able to squeak by. When it comes to pay channels though you are up a creak without a paddle. Unless you can somehow prove that the only people downloading your file are subscribers to that pay channel you would have a hard time.
Now if you want my opinion on all of this. I think that anything that is broadcast for free should be free to rebroadcast as long as you include the original commercials. Anything that is PayTV should be off limits.
Very true. If they can't subscribe then they aren't taking the money out of their pocket directly from subscriptions. Of course, HBO does issue the full season on DVD two years after airing so those people should go out and by the DVD's when they are available to them to make up for getting it for free.
How nice it is to take stuff out of context. If you read on you would see that 2000 locations held Sopranos episdoes. Sopranos is on HBO which is a subscription based paytv service. Every person who chooses to watch Sopranos by downloading instead of subscribing to the services is taking money out of the pocket of HBO.
The difference is that you would be fine letting people borrow your tape of a show but if you gave everybody a copy of the show to keep then you would be getting in trouble. When you make a show available online you are allowing millions (not just the hundreds you are talking about) of people to download and keep a copy of the show.
I would also note that if you tried to split your cable signal to 100 TVs you would probably notice some serious degradation unless you use a repeater.
Please reread the thread. But in case you are too lazy:
First of all, I never said that it was the majority of the pirating. The thread was discussing the student at a university who pirated Sex and the City.
Second, as so many people have pointed out besides me, they do have cable television but it is controlled by the University. You can't add pay channels like HBO and you can't get outside cable service or satellite.
Now that is an intelligent response. So if I somebody is looking at schools they should look at their cable service offerings? I'm sorry Mom and Dad but I can't go to Harvard because they don't have HBO.
I also pointed out that as far as I know this applies to many colleges and universities. Since I went to a SUNY (State University of New York) school I can also assume that all of the other SUNY schools have the same policies. Many people, including myself at the time, couldn't afford to go to anything but a State school.
You missed entirely the people like the girl used as the example in the article. People who download a show from a pay channel, like HBO, that they don't otherwise pay for.
You are confusing Basic Cable with Premium Channels. With basic cable you are partly paying for the physical service of cable and partly paying for the licensing of all of those basic channels. A channel like the History Channel only gets a small part of what you pay each month.
With a Premium Channel like HBO you are paying a specific subscription for that service. Most of that subscription goes directly to HBO. That is why HBO doesn't have commercials.
You're correct that you don't have the right to Television content but also at hand here is censorship by the school. I know that most universities require non-commuting Freshman to live on campus (at least back in my day they did). They also only allow you to use their cable service. Considering that these students are now adults shouldn't they at least have the freedom to choose what they watch? Now this doesn't justify stealing but it does explain why it happens.
The History Channel, Discovery and The Learning Channel are pretty much where my viewing habits reside. Not only are their shows better but they also repeat them often throughout the week so I don't have to be tied to the TV at a particular time. As somebody noted above, this is one of the biggest advantages of downloading shows. If you miss an episode of the Simpsons and you forgot to tape it then you have to play the re-run roulette. This is not a big deal for Simpsons but for a show like 24 it is awful.
Many colleges (including my alma-mater from what why sister told me) offer only certain channels and HBO is not one of them. There is no phone call to make. I also don't think they allow satellite dishes in the dorms.
I think that those same people like the functionality of CDDB and aren't too concerned about Microsoft selling their music preferences. It's not like the record store they bought the cd from couldn't do the same (unless they paid cash).
I also am not sure about the statistic of people not creating their own user for themselves. Most families I know with computers have separate log-ins for each of the kids to avoid conflicts.
I know it is a silly question, but did you read the article? This information is stored when you use CDDB and whatever equivalent they have for DVD's. If you are watching a warez movie in.mpg then it wouldn't even bother looking up the info. A ripped/burned DVD might try the lookup but it wouldn't find anything. To the system it would look the same as a DVD of home movies you made.
You actually watch porno DVD's on your computer? I always wondered why anybody would rent or buy a porno dvd. Do you pause on the money shot or something?
enlisted the media support? Do you realize that most mainstream media is already owned by the same companies that are members of the RIAA and/or MPAA? CNN, arguably the most popular news provider, is owned by AOLTW. ABC is owned by Disney. Fox TV is owned obviously by the same company as 20th Century Fox (Newscorp).
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Listen AC asshole. Why don't you look at his profile or the link to his website? His site says he is from McAllen, Texas. Last I checked, English is the first langauge of most legal Texans. I looked at his profile before I commented, did you?
I also was not commenting on his english but on his formatting and his presentation.
If you decide to reply, please make sure it isn't anonymously so I can at least put you on my foes list.
they dont have a God giving gift to make a profit.
I assume you mean a God-given gift. What does God have to do with any of this anyway? They are a for-profit organization so maybe God didn't give them the right to make a profit but US (and French in the case of Vivendi) Law surely does. Actually, they have an obligation to their shareholders to do what they feel is best for the company and that includes making a profit and protecting their IP.
im not sure why they even brought out the argument that bnetd is pirating software.
They never said that Bnetd is pirating. They said that "Servers that emulate Battle.net facilitate [emphasis added] software piracy of Blizzard products by circumventing Blizzard's authentication code."
On a side note - you're 23 (according to your info page) and it is about time you learned how to write your posts in a somewhat intelligible manner.
Today must be pick on Skapare day. Considering there are at least 4-5 million auctions going on at any give time your "No paypal" search is around 1% of the total. No really statistically significant. What is even worse is that I did a search on "paypal only" and got 97,428 hits.
You should work for the press because you are great at misrepresenting facts.
What do you mean by looked bad? We know they have been losing money hand over fist. Or did you mean fraudulent?
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Right on their Contact Us Page. Guess you didn't look hard enough. You have to be logged in though.
Maybe he doesn't have his head in his ass and went to any of the hundreds of sites dedicated to it, downloaded the SDK from Microsoft, purchased VS.Net, or (shock - horror) actually read the information on the Mono website.
Well repeaters and signal boosters are all perfectly legal.
Never said it wasn't. Would make it pretty difficult on apartment buildings if it was.
If I let my friend borrow my tape, and he made a himself a copy and returned it that would be ok then?
Video tapes are kinda fuzzy all around. Just like music tapes there isn't as big of a concern about copying. If you had a digital copy of the show and your friend copied it then you may have a problem.
So the issue, as you see it, isn't the action but the number of people?
First, how I see it is not at issue here. I personally think the whole thing is ridiculous. I am explaining to you the way the industry, and probably the courts, would see it. Please don't believe that any of this is my opinion. Second, of course number makes a difference. Fair use doesn't allow for you sharing with large amounts of people. What is large is up to interpretation.
So I guess the next thing we'll have to do is put a counter on everything in the library. Loaning out that video tape to 100 patrons is ok, but once we hit some magical number (100,000, 1,000,000) it becomes a crime?
Again we are talking about loaning versus copying. The library is not making a copy for you so they are not doing anything "wrong." If I remember correctly it says somewhere on the agreement you fill out to get your library card that you won't make copies.
How is that any different than if 10 people record that episode and "share" it with 1,499,990 "friends" over the internet.
Well this is the fuzzy area when it comes to broadcast TV. If you include the original commercials with the distribution then you probably should be able to squeak by. When it comes to pay channels though you are up a creak without a paddle. Unless you can somehow prove that the only people downloading your file are subscribers to that pay channel you would have a hard time.
Now if you want my opinion on all of this. I think that anything that is broadcast for free should be free to rebroadcast as long as you include the original commercials. Anything that is PayTV should be off limits.
No because at any given time you both only have one copy of the DVD. If you proceded to make a copy of the DVD then you would be cheating HBO.
I did say that it doesn't justify stealing it. I was only explaining why it happens. At no point did I say that they should be doing it.
Very true. If they can't subscribe then they aren't taking the money out of their pocket directly from subscriptions. Of course, HBO does issue the full season on DVD two years after airing so those people should go out and by the DVD's when they are available to them to make up for getting it for free.
How nice it is to take stuff out of context. If you read on you would see that 2000 locations held Sopranos episdoes. Sopranos is on HBO which is a subscription based paytv service. Every person who chooses to watch Sopranos by downloading instead of subscribing to the services is taking money out of the pocket of HBO.
The difference is that you would be fine letting people borrow your tape of a show but if you gave everybody a copy of the show to keep then you would be getting in trouble. When you make a show available online you are allowing millions (not just the hundreds you are talking about) of people to download and keep a copy of the show.
I would also note that if you tried to split your cable signal to 100 TVs you would probably notice some serious degradation unless you use a repeater.
Except of course the very first one - Sex and the City. They also mentioned Sopranos.
Please reread the thread. But in case you are too lazy:
First of all, I never said that it was the majority of the pirating. The thread was discussing the student at a university who pirated Sex and the City.
Second, as so many people have pointed out besides me, they do have cable television but it is controlled by the University. You can't add pay channels like HBO and you can't get outside cable service or satellite.
Now that is an intelligent response. So if I somebody is looking at schools they should look at their cable service offerings? I'm sorry Mom and Dad but I can't go to Harvard because they don't have HBO.
I also pointed out that as far as I know this applies to many colleges and universities. Since I went to a SUNY (State University of New York) school I can also assume that all of the other SUNY schools have the same policies. Many people, including myself at the time, couldn't afford to go to anything but a State school.
Sorta like HBO On Demand?
You missed entirely the people like the girl used as the example in the article. People who download a show from a pay channel, like HBO, that they don't otherwise pay for.
You are confusing Basic Cable with Premium Channels. With basic cable you are partly paying for the physical service of cable and partly paying for the licensing of all of those basic channels. A channel like the History Channel only gets a small part of what you pay each month.
With a Premium Channel like HBO you are paying a specific subscription for that service. Most of that subscription goes directly to HBO. That is why HBO doesn't have commercials.
You're correct that you don't have the right to Television content but also at hand here is censorship by the school. I know that most universities require non-commuting Freshman to live on campus (at least back in my day they did). They also only allow you to use their cable service. Considering that these students are now adults shouldn't they at least have the freedom to choose what they watch? Now this doesn't justify stealing but it does explain why it happens.
The History Channel, Discovery and The Learning Channel are pretty much where my viewing habits reside. Not only are their shows better but they also repeat them often throughout the week so I don't have to be tied to the TV at a particular time. As somebody noted above, this is one of the biggest advantages of downloading shows. If you miss an episode of the Simpsons and you forgot to tape it then you have to play the re-run roulette. This is not a big deal for Simpsons but for a show like 24 it is awful.
Many colleges (including my alma-mater from what why sister told me) offer only certain channels and HBO is not one of them. There is no phone call to make. I also don't think they allow satellite dishes in the dorms.
Now that doesn't condone downloading the shows.
I think that those same people like the functionality of CDDB and aren't too concerned about Microsoft selling their music preferences. It's not like the record store they bought the cd from couldn't do the same (unless they paid cash).
I also am not sure about the statistic of people not creating their own user for themselves. Most families I know with computers have separate log-ins for each of the kids to avoid conflicts.
I know it is a silly question, but did you read the article? This information is stored when you use CDDB and whatever equivalent they have for DVD's. If you are watching a warez movie in .mpg then it wouldn't even bother looking up the info. A ripped/burned DVD might try the lookup but it wouldn't find anything. To the system it would look the same as a DVD of home movies you made.
You actually watch porno DVD's on your computer? I always wondered why anybody would rent or buy a porno dvd. Do you pause on the money shot or something?
enlisted the media support? Do you realize that most mainstream media is already owned by the same companies that are members of the RIAA and/or MPAA? CNN, arguably the most popular news provider, is owned by AOLTW. ABC is owned by Disney. Fox TV is owned obviously by the same company as 20th Century Fox (Newscorp).