sprint are bastards. never ever go for sprint. they change the plan under you if the feel youre making too many calls and getting too much free service. they are absolute dicks with roaming charges. they suck balls.
Sprint plans that include data (e.g. "Simply Everything Data"), which is what the original poster was asking about since he said he needed data, have no roaming charges in the US. None. Zero. This may be different from when you had Sprint, Sprint has changed a lot since Dan Hesse took over. That having been said, all carriers suck. Sprint doesn't suck especially bad anymore though, they are more of an average level of carrier evil now.;-)
Sprint is about the same price as Tmobile (and until recently, were cheaper), has better 3g coverage by far than Tmobile, and roams on Verizon's network in case you *are* heading for the boonies. Sprint has a bad reputation they can't seem to get rid of, but have made vast improvements in customer service under their new CEO Hesse. That having been said, all of the carriers suck....
The unlocked European GSM device is 3g, but maybe only in Europe due to Europe having different 3g frequencies; unless it supports also the AT&T and/or Tmobile frequencies, which are both different both from each other and the ones the EU, unlike the US government, forced the cell phone companies to standardize on uniformly to allow people to have phones they can keep from carrier to carrier.:-(
Read the reviews when it is released, to confirm if the AT&T device is 3g on AT&T's network. I assume it will be, if Palm and AT&T don't want to gimp it; but considering what AT&T did with the Centro and Blackberry's Curve, that's not a given.
Woah, that's huge. According to billshrink's comparison there are only 300 apps currently for the Pre.
There are 1,040 apps available now in the App catalog, not including 300 homebrew apps. Still, it is a lot less than Android (14,000 apps), or iPhone (100,000 apps) or even creaky old PalmOS (50,000 apps)
Spring a little extra for the Palm Pre. If you have a bit more, one of the Android handsets like the HTC Hero or Samsung Moment on Sprint are good too if you want apps and a better hardware build than Palm's. The Pixi is a little underpowered for WebOS, it runs much better on the Pre. I have a Pre and am very happy with it. Remember, your main expenditure is that 2 year contract you're getting into, not the initial handset outlay. (Sprint's contract is of course very competitive.)
It really is amazing how many features they keep cramming into these tiny devices. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I am hopeful that in the next couple of years somebody will figure out a way to make reliable phone calls with these things.
The reason why they have so many features is because the smartphone killed the PDA. I can't believe is that it took phones to get non-geeks to carry around a PDA everywhere they went. Now the PDA, an advanced one like a Palm Pilot I mean, not an "organizer", *that* is a convergence device. A smartphone is simply a PDA with just one more function, and a function that doesn't really fit the device except as a way to get the hoi poli to want to have it around all the time.
It surprises me that the article didn't mention the mobile phone killing the handheld PDA, that is clearly the biggest casualty of the smartphone; even Palm Inc. doesn't make PDAs anymore, they became the first popular smartphone company, and that's all they make now. The only new PDAs you can purchase now outside of Japan are a few Windows Mobile devices like the iPaq or whatever that are not worth purchasing.;-)
So, the inferiority of the phone's functions are nearly always MASSIVELY OUTWEIGHED by the fact that you only carry ONE device rather than a whole batman belt worth of them. Size and weight and convenience means that for 99% of users, it's easier and cheaper just to buy a smartphone and use it exclusively for all of the above functions.
It may save you from wearing a batman-belt, but it's not cheaper to get a smartphone. Most require a data plan which over 2 years' contractual time is more expensive than most general purpose laptops, much less than all of those devices put together. Even if you get an unlocked phone, and are in a sane location where the GSM carriers haven't screwed up their 3g networks, it's still more than an mp3 player, point and shoot camera, internet tablet, and watch combined. The only reason why I have one is because I like having "always on" internet and getting the same thing for a computer is nearly as expensive anyway.
All this goes to show is that, contrary to the statements of some Slashdotters, Psystar did not re-install OS X as-is. They replaced key segments, including the bootloader and kernel extensions, in order to get it to install on commodity hardware. That makes Psystar the distributors of a derivative work, thereby violating copyright laws. This is not about the EULA:
"Psystar infringed Apple's exclusive right to create derivative works of Mac OS X," the ruling reads. "Specifically, it made three modifications: (1) replacing the Mac OS X bootloader with a different bootloader to enable an unauthorized copy of Mac OS X to run on Psystar's computers; (2) disabling and removing Apple kernel extension files; and (3) adding non-Apple kernel extensions."
I fail to understand how Psystar is even within light years of being right on this issue.
Maybe so, but what does it say about the suitability for copyright law that it is so closely mapped to laws originally meant to protect printed works, that don't really hold true for software? Assuming of course that PsyStar hadn't used master copies and truly pirated copies of those master copies to imprint machines with, but had instead bought every single OS X disk and modified them individually, would Apple have lost any property via copyright infringement? They really should only have the EULA to fall back on then.
Said plug-ins were written for interfacing to Palm Desktop, a PPC program. I suspect that broke in Snow Leopard and rather than fix support for a platform that Palm is in the process of discontinuing. (The Centro, their only remaining PalmOS device is going to be replaced in a matter of months by the EOS WebOS phone) So they've decided to let people use third party solutions, which as many people comment, many people already do because of Palm's own lackluster Mac support.
(They already have to use third party solutions for the Treo Pro, contrary to the/. summery which claims it uses the superior PalmOS:-) because Windows Mobile is not supported at all in OS X; and nobody calls that a conspiracy...)
You hardly ever have time/resources to "do it properly" in a small business, unless what you're "doing right" is a core competency of the business. The trick is to convince the guy who signs the checks that it is business/mission critical (often non-trivial).
Sure you do! It's called OSX.
In case you didn't notice, the person asking the question is in India. Are you aware of how Apple ignores exchange rates so that a Mac is extremely expensive in India, even more so than it is in the US? Apple is really not an option outside the US, especially in countries that have had an even larger change in the exchange rate than the average amount inflicted on the currency market by George W. Bush.
Posted from a Mac mini, I know what OS X is like.:-)
I guess you don't want to have a Palm Pre or use Verizon's network, do you.:)
To pick a nit, Palm Pre is on Sprint, not Verizon, who incidentally refused to take the iPhone because Apple wanted it to be too uncrippled for their network. Also, it has little to do with non-iPhones as some other phones have their own sync applications that interface with iTunes XML files. Not that I condone Apple's blocking of the Palm Pre's phony iPod sync hack, which I thought was a nasty move on their part.
I happen to have both a Mac and a Palm Centro, which syncs with a PocketTunes sync application that's in late beta. (Many many others, such as Nokia, and Android, and Pre, already can sync with the Mac and the iTunes XML library files with some pretty nice software from "DVD Jon". http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt They support the Pre, without hacking it to look like an iPod. Apple probably won't shut this down, because they publish their iTunes XML in an SDK specifically for this purpose.)
Seriously, Obama may be to the left of center, on some issues well to the left, but he's not a Communist. Last time I checked we didn't live in a dictatorship of the Proletarait with the party owning the means of production.
(And by means of production I don't mean General Motors; I mean the whole kit and kaboodle. If you say General Motors means we're in Soviet Russia, Great Britain has owned failed auto companies since the 1960s, is far more "socialist" than Obama, and last time I checked they still had fair elections and freedom of religion, private ownership of most property, and so on.)
I should note that I'm not much of an Obama supporter, mainly because I think that he's doing what George W. Bush did, propping up everything and anything that is "too big to fail" until he sends both government and industry into bankruptcy togeather. I recognize however that Obama is not a Communist, he's doing what he's doing mostly on the behest of Wall Street interests rather than Marx.
I agreed with most of your message but the idea that the environmentalists are Soviet-controlled sounds rather suspicious, as well as out of date - you should call them terrorists instead.;-) Besides, the Sovs didn't exactly consider pollution a problem, and were quite anti-environmentalist.
You can see this today in Communist China, not exactly a beacon of environmentalism. I know someone from Mainland China who was surprised when she came to America that we didn't need to wipe the windows of our homes to clean off the soot a couple of times a week, to give you some idea of what it's like there. I would think that if anything, the concern on how much cutting back on pollution hurts the employment of the working class (i.e. the proletariat) is classic Marxist dogma, at least that's what Communists actually *say* about the matter.;-)
If your country has socialized medicine; then I'm guessing that people go OUTSIDE the system (or even the country) to get the best care possible.
In case you didn't know, all countries except the US and South Africa classified by the UN as industrialized countries have socialized medicine. For some reason, I don't think that the statistics show (life expectancy, birth survival rates, etc.) that the US is the only industrialized country with decent health care.
Nor do I think that all people who seek better health care, go to the US, or South Africa, in order to get health care that is better because the poor can't afford it. I wonder at the moderator's judgement how you got modded up to "5, insightful". It should be "5, doesn't know the world outside of the US borders".
I make a point of mentioning the "OS X updates" mentioned refer to something (to differentiate it from all the updates mentioned) and then someone goes and complains anyway. Some people are never happy.
Why be happy when you can make someone else's life miserable? (Just kidding.;-) )
Software updates saw Safari 4 launched, OS X updates including threading changes, Exchange support to mail, calendar, and address book, and OpenCL a new open graphics standard.
To be clear, the updates to OS X referred to are features of OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) which will ship in September and cost $29. It is not an update to 10.5 and is not yet available outside of developer previews.
Well, Safari 4 was indeed released. You shouldn't have quoted that.:-)
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Don't be a troll: http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/18/sprint-users-can-get-their-data-served-verizon-style/
sprint are bastards. never ever go for sprint. they change the plan under you if the feel youre making too many calls and getting too much free service. they are absolute dicks with roaming charges. they suck balls.
Sprint plans that include data (e.g. "Simply Everything Data"), which is what the original poster was asking about since he said he needed data, have no roaming charges in the US. None. Zero. This may be different from when you had Sprint, Sprint has changed a lot since Dan Hesse took over. That having been said, all carriers suck. Sprint doesn't suck especially bad anymore though, they are more of an average level of carrier evil now. ;-)
Sprint is about the same price as Tmobile (and until recently, were cheaper), has better 3g coverage by far than Tmobile, and roams on Verizon's network in case you *are* heading for the boonies. Sprint has a bad reputation they can't seem to get rid of, but have made vast improvements in customer service under their new CEO Hesse. That having been said, all of the carriers suck....
Read the reviews when it is released, to confirm if the AT&T device is 3g on AT&T's network. I assume it will be, if Palm and AT&T don't want to gimp it; but considering what AT&T did with the Centro and Blackberry's Curve, that's not a given.
Verizon will soon have the Pre Plus.
Choice is good, but still no GSM.
AT&T will soon have "two webos devices" (Probably Pre and Pixi) and the Palm Pre is already available in unlocked GSM in Europe.
Woah, that's huge. According to billshrink's comparison there are only 300 apps currently for the Pre.
There are 1,040 apps available now in the App catalog, not including 300 homebrew apps. Still, it is a lot less than Android (14,000 apps), or iPhone (100,000 apps) or even creaky old PalmOS (50,000 apps)
It's depressing, I'm 40 since August 2009, which makes me older than time(2).
Spring a little extra for the Palm Pre. If you have a bit more, one of the Android handsets like the HTC Hero or Samsung Moment on Sprint are good too if you want apps and a better hardware build than Palm's. The Pixi is a little underpowered for WebOS, it runs much better on the Pre. I have a Pre and am very happy with it. Remember, your main expenditure is that 2 year contract you're getting into, not the initial handset outlay. (Sprint's contract is of course very competitive.)
It really is amazing how many features they keep cramming into these tiny devices. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I am hopeful that in the next couple of years somebody will figure out a way to make reliable phone calls with these things.
The reason why they have so many features is because the smartphone killed the PDA. I can't believe is that it took phones to get non-geeks to carry around a PDA everywhere they went. Now the PDA, an advanced one like a Palm Pilot I mean, not an "organizer", *that* is a convergence device. A smartphone is simply a PDA with just one more function, and a function that doesn't really fit the device except as a way to get the hoi poli to want to have it around all the time.
It surprises me that the article didn't mention the mobile phone killing the handheld PDA, that is clearly the biggest casualty of the smartphone; even Palm Inc. doesn't make PDAs anymore, they became the first popular smartphone company, and that's all they make now. The only new PDAs you can purchase now outside of Japan are a few Windows Mobile devices like the iPaq or whatever that are not worth purchasing. ;-)
So, the inferiority of the phone's functions are nearly always MASSIVELY OUTWEIGHED by the fact that you only carry ONE device rather than a whole batman belt worth of them. Size and weight and convenience means that for 99% of users, it's easier and cheaper just to buy a smartphone and use it exclusively for all of the above functions.
It may save you from wearing a batman-belt, but it's not cheaper to get a smartphone. Most require a data plan which over 2 years' contractual time is more expensive than most general purpose laptops, much less than all of those devices put together. Even if you get an unlocked phone, and are in a sane location where the GSM carriers haven't screwed up their 3g networks, it's still more than an mp3 player, point and shoot camera, internet tablet, and watch combined. The only reason why I have one is because I like having "always on" internet and getting the same thing for a computer is nearly as expensive anyway.
All this goes to show is that, contrary to the statements of some Slashdotters, Psystar did not re-install OS X as-is. They replaced key segments, including the bootloader and kernel extensions, in order to get it to install on commodity hardware. That makes Psystar the distributors of a derivative work, thereby violating copyright laws. This is not about the EULA:
"Psystar infringed Apple's exclusive right to create derivative works of Mac OS X," the ruling reads. "Specifically, it made three modifications: (1) replacing the Mac OS X bootloader with a different bootloader to enable an unauthorized copy of Mac OS X to run on Psystar's computers; (2) disabling and removing Apple kernel extension files; and (3) adding non-Apple kernel extensions."
I fail to understand how Psystar is even within light years of being right on this issue.
Maybe so, but what does it say about the suitability for copyright law that it is so closely mapped to laws originally meant to protect printed works, that don't really hold true for software? Assuming of course that PsyStar hadn't used master copies and truly pirated copies of those master copies to imprint machines with, but had instead bought every single OS X disk and modified them individually, would Apple have lost any property via copyright infringement? They really should only have the EULA to fall back on then.
Said plug-ins were written for interfacing to Palm Desktop, a PPC program. I suspect that broke in Snow Leopard and rather than fix support for a platform that Palm is in the process of discontinuing. (The Centro, their only remaining PalmOS device is going to be replaced in a matter of months by the EOS WebOS phone) So they've decided to let people use third party solutions, which as many people comment, many people already do because of Palm's own lackluster Mac support.
/. summery which claims it uses the superior PalmOS :-) because Windows Mobile is not supported at all in OS X; and nobody calls that a conspiracy...)
(They already have to use third party solutions for the Treo Pro, contrary to the
My apologies for the poor formatting. (Taco, why not make /. a little more user-friendly by getting a little WYSIWYG?)
You hardly ever have time/resources to "do it properly" in a small business, unless what you're "doing right" is a core competency of the business. The trick is to convince the guy who signs the checks that it is business/mission critical (often non-trivial).
Sure you do! It's called OSX. In case you didn't notice, the person asking the question is in India. Are you aware of how Apple ignores exchange rates so that a Mac is extremely expensive in India, even more so than it is in the US? Apple is really not an option outside the US, especially in countries that have had an even larger change in the exchange rate than the average amount inflicted on the currency market by George W. Bush.
Posted from a Mac mini, I know what OS X is like. :-)
I guess you don't want to have a Palm Pre or use Verizon's network, do you. :)
To pick a nit, Palm Pre is on Sprint, not Verizon, who incidentally refused to take the iPhone because Apple wanted it to be too uncrippled for their network. Also, it has little to do with non-iPhones as some other phones have their own sync applications that interface with iTunes XML files. Not that I condone Apple's blocking of the Palm Pre's phony iPod sync hack, which I thought was a nasty move on their part.
I happen to have both a Mac and a Palm Centro, which syncs with a PocketTunes sync application that's in late beta. (Many many others, such as Nokia, and Android, and Pre, already can sync with the Mac and the iTunes XML library files with some pretty nice software from "DVD Jon". http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt They support the Pre, without hacking it to look like an iPod. Apple probably won't shut this down, because they publish their iTunes XML in an SDK specifically for this purpose.)
(And by means of production I don't mean General Motors; I mean the whole kit and kaboodle. If you say General Motors means we're in Soviet Russia, Great Britain has owned failed auto companies since the 1960s, is far more "socialist" than Obama, and last time I checked they still had fair elections and freedom of religion, private ownership of most property, and so on.)
I should note that I'm not much of an Obama supporter, mainly because I think that he's doing what George W. Bush did, propping up everything and anything that is "too big to fail" until he sends both government and industry into bankruptcy togeather. I recognize however that Obama is not a Communist, he's doing what he's doing mostly on the behest of Wall Street interests rather than Marx.
You can see this today in Communist China, not exactly a beacon of environmentalism. I know someone from Mainland China who was surprised when she came to America that we didn't need to wipe the windows of our homes to clean off the soot a couple of times a week, to give you some idea of what it's like there. I would think that if anything, the concern on how much cutting back on pollution hurts the employment of the working class (i.e. the proletariat) is classic Marxist dogma, at least that's what Communists actually *say* about the matter. ;-)
But the iPhone added MMS! And can record movies! and do voice recognition! What other phone can do that? ;-)
If your country has socialized medicine; then I'm guessing that people go OUTSIDE the system (or even the country) to get the best care possible.
In case you didn't know, all countries except the US and South Africa classified by the UN as industrialized countries have socialized medicine. For some reason, I don't think that the statistics show (life expectancy, birth survival rates, etc.) that the US is the only industrialized country with decent health care.
Nor do I think that all people who seek better health care, go to the US, or South Africa, in order to get health care that is better because the poor can't afford it. I wonder at the moderator's judgement how you got modded up to "5, insightful". It should be "5, doesn't know the world outside of the US borders".
I make a point of mentioning the "OS X updates" mentioned refer to something (to differentiate it from all the updates mentioned) and then someone goes and complains anyway. Some people are never happy.
Why be happy when you can make someone else's life miserable? (Just kidding. ;-) )
The $99 phone is the big news the rest of it is just nice. Because saving a hundred bucks off the ~$1700 total is such a bargain?
Yeah, and a Palm Pre on Sprint is $480 cheaper over 2 years. But people will see "$99" and think "I'm saving half the money!"
Software updates saw Safari 4 launched, OS X updates including threading changes, Exchange support to mail, calendar, and address book, and OpenCL a new open graphics standard.
To be clear, the updates to OS X referred to are features of OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) which will ship in September and cost $29. It is not an update to 10.5 and is not yet available outside of developer previews.
Well, Safari 4 was indeed released. You shouldn't have quoted that. :-)
Finally someone understood my message!
I was talking about the price of an airplane (20 times) and the price of a missile (close to the same). Sigh.
I was refering to planes, and then to the missles under them, my message was written very unclearly.