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Ten Things Mobile Phones Will Make Obsolete

An anonymous reader writes "recombu.com has an article examining ten things mobile phones will make obsolete, including phone booths, wristwatches and handheld games consoles. It's interesting to see how many devices have been absorbed into mobile phone technology, and it raises the question: are we better off having everything in one device? The author poignantly concludes that while it's great to have so much power at our fingertips, it does mean that some of us will rely on mobile phones for even basic mental tasks, which is great until the battery runs out." See also Isaac Asimov's The Feeling of Power.

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  1. yep... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...why have a watch on your wrist when you can fish it out of your pocket.

    At least pocket watches kept the time even if you were out of cell service.

    1. Re:yep... by HeavyD14 · · Score: 5, Informative

      My phone keeps the time just fine when out of reception. Likely better than an old pocket watch. What kind of brick-phone do you have?

    2. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's pretty obtuse to think that wristwatches are going to become obsolete. Hate to break it to you, but no. Wristwatches are far more than just a device to tell time. They're a symbol of status and of self-expression. Don't think so? Wristwatch builders keep pushing the envelope of what is possible with micro-mechanics, and that is what makes them attractive, and special to collectors.

      You think your iPhone is going to get you laid... or any serious street cred? It's within reach of even below-average citizens, so it doesn't get you any status points. No, there's just something about a fine Rolex or Omega Speedmaster on your wrist. A feat of mechanical engineering and precision manufacturing that NO iPhone can *EVER* replace.

      Just try pawning an iPhone and see how much you get.

    3. Re:yep... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Watches are jewelry as well. The swiss figured that out a long time ago....

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    4. Re:yep... by radish · · Score: 1

      Agreed, my watch broke a while ago and I decided to try living without it and just using my phone. Drove me up the wall...2 months later gave in and bought a new watch.

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    5. Re:yep... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i cant stand wearing watches, they make my arm feel all weird. (and they interfere with work gloves, but thats another matter) and since i don't cary my phone at work, (crushed 2 phones in my pockets in 2 months, construction industry is not a phone friendly environment) so i've actually become quite adept at telling the time via shadows, sundial style. (accurate within 10-15 minutes, which is close enough for my needs).

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    6. Re:yep... by Swizec · · Score: 1

      Personally I carry both a watch and a cell phone at all times and always end up checking the phone for time instead of the watch. When I'm not on the move I usually just check the computer because it's much closer to hand than either the watch or the phone.

    7. Re:yep... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just can't wait to take my cell phone SCUBA diving, or wake boarding, or sky diving, or...

    8. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've sky dived with my phone. No problem there.

    9. Re:yep... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I've sky dived with my phone. No problem there.

      Did you check the time going down?

    10. Re:yep... by HBoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some modern phones still do not keep the time when out of service. A friend of mine has a cheap Samsung phone which is an example of this. It has always baffled me that a phone with a camera, games and a whole lot of other unnecessary rubbish can't even tell you the time when you go behind a mountain....

    11. Re:yep... by sayfawa · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I fully admit that watches are valuable as a status-symbol. But that's not saying much. People are stupid. They value lumps of metals and rocks, too. Shit whose only useful purpose is to make good conductors and cut stuff.

      And as for "pushing the envelope of what is possible..", the scientific achievements that were required to make even the cheapest digital watch is *far* more of a testament to the ingenuity of the human race than anything that will ever be in a mechanical watch. Either my phone, or my cheap digital watch keep better time than any "fine Rolex or Omega" mechanical watch. And I have little to no respect for anyone who would respect me for having one on my wrist.

      In summary, fancy watches are for stupid yahoos.

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    12. Re:yep... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Why rummage around in my pocket, when I can just glance at my wrist?

      The article isn't entirely wrong - I do know some people who say they no longer bother with a watch now that they have a phone. But I think it's wrong to say it will make watches obsolete.

    13. Re:yep... by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      seriously? you *check the time* while skydiving? do you have some genetic adrenaline deficiency that makes jumping out of an airplane boring enough you feel like checking the time on the way down?

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    14. Re:yep... by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My current wristwatch has been happily chugging away telling time since before any cell phone ever existed and will still be chugging along quite possibly when something else comes along to displace the cell phone.

      The death of quality speciality devices is a bit premature at this point.

      This is also true of good cameras and mp3/media players.

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    15. Re:yep... by lintux · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think this is/was a common thing with CDMA (or whatever the non-GSM protocol is called exactly) telephones. They get the time from the network and don't/didn't bother storing it anywhere locally.

    16. Re:yep... by Compholio · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My phone keeps the time just fine when out of reception. Likely better than an old pocket watch. What kind of brick-phone do you have?

      I know that my phone doesn't keep accurate time even with reception and even though I'm just a few miles away from NIST. At the moment it's only off by 10 seconds, but it's been as bad as 3 minutes. My wristwatch, on the otherhand, is guaranteed to be accurate within a 5 second drift over a full year (and it's not a fancy watch). I wouldn't be surprised if the phone manufacturers know that they can get away with using crappy crystal oscillators and just re-syncing the time regularly.

    17. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why don't they make a wristwatch into a mobile phone?

    18. Re:yep... by magarity · · Score: 1

      the cheapest digital watch is *far* more of a testament to the ingenuity of the human race than anything that will ever be in a mechanical watch
       
      You're quite the modern person in your assessment. The invention of the portable, accurate, timepiece (starting with marine chronometers and proceeding to wristwatches and pocketwatches) in the mid 1700's revolutionized the world like the invention of the telephone or printing press. That cheap electronic watches were then invented as a byproduct technology from the invention of the integrated circuit had practically no impact by themselves. Be impressed with the invention of the IC in general, sure, but the digital watch? Please.
       
      Mechanical watches, clearly, represent a tremendous milestone in the ingenuity of the human race that digital watches never have and never will be able to claim. But it is nice how cheap they are compared to the fancy mechanical ones.

    19. Re:yep... by angus77 · · Score: 1

      Most people don't own Rolexes or Omega Speedmasters. Most people don't wear watches to get laid. I haven't owned a wristwatch since 2004, and I've never missed the fact (No more getting it caught on the furniture or scratching myself or others with it!)

    20. Re:yep... by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're a symbol of status and of self-expression.

      So are phones.

      I was in New York City two weekends ago, and a guy that I was hanging out with was getting ready to go have a big business meeting. He was very concerned about getting a "Droid" in time for the meeting, because that is the phone with all the buzz right now... he could care less about what the phone actually does. We actually suggested that he buy a Rolex instead, and he kind of scoffed at us like we were dinosaurs or something.

      So while I'm sure you are right, and that rich guys will always have wrist watches - don't think that they aren't also concerned about what phone they are carrying. Designers have caught on, too, which is why you can buy abominations like this.

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    21. Re:yep... by jamesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and will still be chugging along quite possibly when something else comes along to displace the cell phone.

      It occurs to me that at some point in time the core function of the cell phone will be replaced by a device small enough to fit around your wrist...

    22. Re:yep... by selven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He said a testament, not an important point. If we all die in World War 3 and some aliens come in a thousand years and find a digital watch, they'll see that we have advanced microelectronics and the advanced chemistry needed to make a battery, and its existence proves that we have other computers that do so much more. A mechanical watch will just prove to them that we can make good gears and fit them together, something which has practically no use outside of timekeeping (ok, and mechanical calculators).

    23. Re:yep... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "It's pretty obtuse to think that wristwatches are going to become obsolete."

      At least somebody sensible. That's true. If you think about it Spock-like, there's nothing in current civilization as obsolet as the human being itself. But we (well, I'm not a robot, so I'm indeed part of "we"), being humans, can't deprive our obsolete selves of some kinds of things we feel comfortable with for very different reasons. We don't quite get free of roman numerals, which were made obsolete by arabic numerals; we don't get free of martial arts, obsoleted by fire weapons; we don't get free of bespoke taylors, obsoleted by pret-a-porter; we don't get free of pocket watches, obsoleted by wristwatches; we don't get free of mechanical wristwatches (I own two: an Omega and a Longines, and I use them daily), obsoleted by quartz watches, and we won't get free of quartz wristwatches because of mobile phones.

      If any, I would consider the last one: quartz wristwatches are just utility objects, so they *might* be obsoleted by a better utility object (but I don't see a mobile phone being a better utility to tell the hour than a wristwatch). It might happen just as almost from night to day people abandoned hats. But even while hats are massively less used now that fifty years ago they are not completly obsoleted (I myself own and wear some Stetsons, Borsalinos and Lock and Co among others), but you can bet there will be a place for an ornamental watch for the next fifty to one hundred years (you can bet I'll wear watches and hats till I die and a lot of people will do too -hell, short-winged trilbys are fashioned again).

    24. Re:yep... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've seen some Blackberries with this problem. It happens when they lose contact with the network, and revert to a local clock. Settings have to be manually changed back to using the network.

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    25. Re:yep... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I fully admit that watches are valuable as a status-symbol. But that's not saying much. People are stupid."

      That's not the point. The point is that it is not expected that people in the future will be any less stupid than they are now.

      "In summary, fancy watches are for stupid yahoos."

      Don't expect stupid yahoos being in extinction danger anytime soon either.

    26. Re:yep... by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The death of quality speciality devices is a bit premature at this point.

      Yeah, my phone makes a terrible watch. It's in my pocket and you need to hit a button or open it to see the time. The battery lasts a few days at best, rather than years. It may be with me all of the time, but I still wear a watch.

      This is also true of good cameras and mp3/media players.

      Again you are right. I just bought a Canon S90, which is not even comparable to the cameras on phones. I can't really speak for MP3 players, but it's hard for me to imagine that a user of a iPod shuffle would be happy using a phone.

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    27. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares about your inferiority complex.

    28. Re:yep... by mdf356 · · Score: 1

      Effing Prada website made my browser window very small. I hated Prada for their shoes before, now I hate them even more.

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    29. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that's my problem... sky diving was kinda boring for me... until I dropped my phone and tried to chase after it, losing my group... then it was actually pretty amazing.

    30. Re:yep... by zullnero · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I absolutely despise having a clunky object strapped to my wrist. Unless I'm using it as some sort of male accessory to impress someone by having a shiny object that I can flash at people while talking to them, I'd rather not have something that catches on my sleeve constantly, pinches my wrist, seems to trap sweat right underneath it, etc. There's a reason why I've lost every watch I've ever owned after having it for only a few months. I leave it somewhere because I take it off all the time.

      Before wrist watches, there were pocket watches. You fished them out of your pockets back then, just like your cell phone. And hey, there are wrist phones out there if you have some sort of wrist accessory fetish. But my phone does a zillion things more than that pocket watch...which would just be wasting space in my pocket unless I was trying to do some sort of 19th century fashion thing.

      As for a phone not being able to tell you what time it was when out of service...do you call your friends to ask them the time?

      And my phone is running a linux kernel. I've never owned a watch that did that. I can literally leave my laptop, even my netbook, at home most of the time because my smartphone does everything I'd probably do with my netbook anyway. And I don't need one of those irritating screen filters that you buy and put on your laptop, because the screen is sized just small enough for me to read it, and too difficult for people to read over my shoulder.

    31. Re:yep... by cheesybagel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While there are wrist watch format cell phones such as the Samsung S9110 and the LG GD910 they usually have battery life issues. Even if they didn't, people who use smart phones require more than just a phone. So while wrist watch format devices may exist, many people need something akin to an organizer, web browser and map. This means you need a larger display screen and a writing/drawing surface similar in form factor to a moleskine notebook. Something that fits into a pocket. This is what a smartphone such as the iPhone, or even a device such as the iPod Touch does.

    32. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree. Watches are about status and fashion and self expression. And even the battery-powered ones take years to run out of juice and die. I have an old brick Palm Treo and good luck trying to check the time on it when the battery is dead. Usually about 5 hrs into the day or an hour into phone conversation.

    33. Re:yep... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I didn't break my wrist once because of my wristwatch. The impact broke the watch glass panel and dented the display. I do not use a watch as a status symbol: it is just that it is a practical way to know time without being so cumbersome that I need to empty my pockets to get it. Try getting a cellphone from your trouser pockets while sitting, or not dropping it from your shirt pocket while bending. That is assuming you have a shirt pocket at all... Besides, I usually keep my cell phone turned off anyway.

    34. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care how well your phone keeps time. I bought a Rolex S.S. Datejust in 1975 and have worn it daily since. Your phone keeps much better time, I'm sure, and I could have bought a much cheaper watch and got the same (in)accuracy. But you see, unlike you Computer People, I'm off the upgrade heroin. I find you to be an unsatisfiable and easily led cohort. Look at the shiny! But please don't take it personally; it's a generalization, but one I find to be pretty consistent.

    35. Re:yep... by MartinSchou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      we can make good gears and fit them together, something which has practically no use outside of timekeeping

      True. No one has ever had a need for good and precise gearing for anything other than time keeping, which is completely useless as it is.

      No one has ever needed gearing in their motors. Or for tuning string instruments.

    36. Re:yep... by dafing · · Score: 1

      Your post made me smile, thank you :)

      I'm a 22 year old New Zealander, and I can tell you that none of my friends thinks a watch is cool, but all would love an iPhone. I remember at high school, it was a long time ago!, having graduation and we were glad to NOT be given watches. Our cheap ass school gave out engraved candle, "oh thanks, a lump of animal fat with my name scratched on the side". Would anyone graduating school choose a watch over an iPhone? Doubt it.

      I love my watch, I got a titanium, solar powered digital Casio. Its almost the watch I dreamed for years, Titanium is my favourite metal, I wanted a solar powered Ti watch. It happens to have all kinds of crap tacked on, like a compass, thermometer, and DEPTH gauge, it tells you how many metres underwater you are....gee, thanks! I'd trade all the extra junk for a slimer casing any day. Thats all thats wrong, the watch is fairly "chunky". Im 1.95 metres tall, but I dont want some big penis extension on my wrist.

      I cant remember the last time I wore the watch. I carry it around in my pocket at work, I put it up on my workbench like a clock. I used to think it was odd when my friends never had watches, Im a very punctual person, they used their cellphones. Now, I never wear my watch, but couldnt live without my iPhone.

      Who wants to wear a watch all the time? What, you needed a place to store an extra few grand worth of diamonds? If you're that obnoxious, you could always "pimp" out your iPhone, it would be far more useful than any Rolex, and being larger, could fit more valuable crap tacked on the outside :)

      Have a great day.

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    37. Re:yep... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      OK. How about check the time while on a motorcycle? Or any other wide open and windy hobby...

    38. Re:yep... by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My phone is CDMA and it only stores the time in memory, so if you reset the phone it forgets the time and tries to get it from the network, but as long as it's on, it'll remember (even if you lose service). It's not a bad deal, since my phone can stay on for several days and I'm usually not out of service that long.

    39. Re:yep... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ..This is also true of good cameras and mp3/media players...

      Indeed, I have a DSLR to take pictures, an iPod to play music, a video camera, a cheap pay-as-you-go TRACPhone, and regular landline phone and a computer to surf the web and e-mail, as well as manage pictures, videos and documents. Oh yes, I still have a wristwatch too and a Swiss Army knife. However, I don't use the Swiss Army knife to slice cheese and I wouldn't use a cell phone to take pictures. There will always be dedicated tools.

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    40. Re:yep... by Grem135 · · Score: 0

      You are putting way to much into the powers of a wristwatch..... I have 2 very nice ones... they sit in the wifes jewelery box because my phone is always on my hip or pocket and works just fine... BTW, its 6 years old and i just might go ahead and get a new one and keep it as a backup

    41. Re:yep... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      But I have the I Am Rich app for my iPhone, and thus people know I'm really wealthy.

      In seriousness, while the notion of status through money may be important for some, for the vast majority of people, status through money is simply not achievable, and actually leads to laughable attempts. I'm reminded of the Onion editorial, "As you can see from my Tommy Hilfiger clothing, I am not poor."

      I don't think wristwatches will become obsolete, but they will certainly be (and in many cases have been) relegated to the role of optional fashion accessory.

      And why would anyone need to pawn their phone or their wristwatch? Are you suggesting that people might spend $500 on a phone or $15000 on a wristwatch that they cannot, actually, afford, and thus will need to sell in a pinch? Egads. Nothing screams "I'm an important and wealthy player!" quite like a pawn-ticket.

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    42. Re:yep... by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      That always gets me, why is JavaScript allowed to resize your browser window?

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    43. Re:yep... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      No one has ever had a need for good and precise gearing for anything other than time keeping

      This should be a good spot for a car analogy, but I can't be bothered. But if you take a look at the workings of a gearbox or differential, you'll realise you're completely wrong. And the sextant was only made possible by the accurate machining of screw threads.

    44. Re:yep... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OTH maybe a device on your wrist is a good place for a bluetooth display device.

    45. Re:yep... by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I hate having a clunky phone in my pocket. At work, the phone stays in my computer bag or gets put on the desk. At home it stays in the computer bag or gets put in place where the kids can't get it. But I'm strange, I hate cell phones.

    46. Re:yep... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Status symbols change over time. Owning velvet pants used to be a status symbol, as was literacy (especially among women.) They aren't anymore.

      And displaying status isn't stupid - it will get you laid, get you out of trouble, attract more interesting people to you, get people to do things for you, etc. You may not like status games, or may not be good at them. But dismissing them as "stupid" reeks of sour grapes.

    47. Re:yep... by magarity · · Score: 1

      the sextant was only made possible by the accurate machining of screw threads
       
      And the sextant only reached its full potential when the marine chronometer was invented.

    48. Re:yep... by magarity · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's some serious grasping at straws to justify calling digital watches a testament to humanity because one might be the only thing found by aliens a thousand years after all humans are killed. Maybe the probes we were able to send to our moon and other local solar system bodies, hmm? But no, nevermind that low tech crap - these extinct creatures here had little electronic timepieces on their appendages! Brilliant!
       
      (Thanks for the laugh!)

    49. Re:yep... by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think there are basicly two types of phones (some are user configurable) Ones that get time from the network only, and ones that keep there own clock.

      The nice thing about the network phones is the time is always accurate to the second and resets based on time zone when you power it up after a flight or when you cross a border. Every phone like this I have owned eventually looses track when out of range.

      The other type seem to have an internal clock and have to be changed after flights and such.

      My Kindle however, seems to use the network when in range but keeps track itself when out of range.

    50. Re:yep... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Alright, well, more than half of the people I spend time with don't wear them.

      Maybe we're not far enough in the yuppie generation to give a crap about gold trinkets on our wrists. Personally, I don't wear a suit to interviews for the primary reason that I don't want to work in place where a suit would influence my boss.

      When I was a manager, a few years ago, and conducted interviews, I found that the guys who wore suits were less qualified than those who didn't. To be honest, I may have had a bias against them for feeling like they had to "dress up" to impress me, when what i wanted was a competent technician, not a suit.

      I now work in a business that is 100% street cred. I own a company and we do really well because we get results. The fact that I am not the sharpest dressed in the room doesn't matter because they're substance there.

      When I see a flashy watch, or a flashy car, I think "overcompensating". I don't think "ooo fancy".

      In fact, much of my younger generation feels that way (I was born in the 80s - so I'm not THAT young). Enjoy it while you can old man. :-)

      The simple fact is that I will be carrying a cell phone anyway. Why have a second device? If I want to flash, why not just wear a big gold bracelet? Why does it need a face with hands on it to be "bling" if that's what you're after?

      Once I have a phone in my pocket, (which I would almost always anyway), why have a redundant device?

      Seems silly and your other reasons seem pompous and poorly aimed.

    51. Re:yep... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I hope chick's aren't one of the things made obsolete...

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    52. Re:yep... by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

      Be honest. You just want an excuse to fish around in your pocket.

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    53. Re:yep... by theJML · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, the problem that I have is not so much when out of service, it's when too close to the wrong tower...

      I was out of town and in another highly populated area (Knoxville I believe) a while back. The city is right near the boarder of the next time zone and what I found that kept happening is that my cell phone would update it's time according to which tower it connected to, often times the one in the wrong timezone. I had to shut off it's auto syncing and let it drift on it's own during that period.

      I've also found that there are certain towers that just don't sync time, or don't do it well. In these times I'm glad I've got a watch on. I'll also have to agree with the grandparent... I can flick my wrist and check the time in under a second. It takes a good 10 seconds to fish my phone out of my pocket and unlock it, esp if I'm in a car and the pocket isn't at a great angle for phone removal.

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    54. Re:yep... by dgbrownnt · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't work in Seattle

    55. Re:yep... by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "When I was a manager, a few years ago, and conducted interviews, I found that the guys who wore suits were less qualified than those who didn't. To be honest, I may have had a bias against them for feeling like they had to "dress up" to impress me, when what i wanted was a competent technician, not a suit."

      Between guys like you and the guys who would never hire someone who didn't show up to an interview in suit, we're screwed. The truth is that both types are acting illogically and we should avoid working for either of you.

    56. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well some of it might be the simple fact that someone who doesn't own a suit is likely to be more agreeable to my personality type. And when hiring staff, this is as important as anything, I guess.

      Wow. Did we get off topic here? My bad. :-)

    57. Re:yep... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      At least pocket watches kept the time even if you were out of cell service.

      In recent years I've had far better luck with phones keeping time than watches. My watches always drift a bit and thanks to the Bush administration daylight savings time has always made my phones a better time piece than watches in terms of accuracy.

      But that's not to say I disagree with your sentiment. If anything, I see watches complimenting phones instead of being replaced by them. They're already starting to trickle out, but I hope one day in an ubiquitous fashion that watches become a display piece for phones. I'd like my watch to talk to my phone, tell me who's calling, battery life, how long I've been on, and use it to hang up and/or silence the phone. Why? I use the headphones that came with my phone and it stays in my pocket. These options on my wrist would be very helpful. A relatively pain-free watch that did this would make me shake loose some change for it. But I am asking an awful lot of a watch-sized battery so I'm not holding my breath.

      Anyway, I agree, phones won't replace watches. But I'll tell you this, my phones have replaced my alarm clock. I haven't had an alarm clock since 2004. My Nokia 3650, Treo, and iPhone have all had decent and reliable alarm support that's easy to input and they all follow rules about what days of the week to go off. They all earned bonus points, too, for allowing me to set an alarm for a particular day in the future. If I know that I have to work on Sunday, for example, I can set my phone's alarm right when I get the news and feel secure that it'll go off. My phones survive power outages and don't even need to be set, even when daylight savings time comes along. (Although my Treo did require a reboot... lame.) My iPhone has taken this a step further. Along with setting an alarm, I can also set a countdown timer. So on weekends I go to bed when I like, but use the timer to say "I want nine hours of sleep", and it works without fail. They also all have decent snooze options and I can put in a message like "You've got a meeting first thing..." so I can start the day a little earlier.
      My iPhone did replace one function normally reserved for my watch, though. I used to use my watch's countdown timer to tell me when the laundry's done. The iPhone's countdown timer has an easier-to-use interface so it won. Everybody has their own way of doing things, but I could honestly see the alarm clock industry taking a major dive in the coming decade. Mobile devices are gaining hold and frankly it's not like alarm clocks are adding much to the mix other than silly interfaces.

      Anyway, I've made my point, but I'll diverge a little bit towards the main spirit of the thread. My phone replacing devices? Actually, yeah, my phone has definitely shoved a couple of devices over a bit. My digital camera, which takes much better photos than any of the phones I have, has gotten much less usage. The fun silly pictures I take are generally good enough, and I can e-mail them or upload them to Facebook straight away. In most cases, those photos would not have existed otherwise. It's not like I'd ever carry a digital camera around all the time, even a small one. I value my pocket space. Sharing the photos on-line with my friends has proven to be more valuable in a lot of cases than the number of megapixels. I still have my camera, it goes with me when I go to Universal Studios or something, but it does not go to a restaurant with me when my nephew's making funny faces.

      My phone also replaced my music player and it's slowly eating away at the Rhapsody service on my computer. I wouldn't normally have expected that, but the button on the headphones to play/pause/advance the music has made it easier to control the music and I'm not chained as severely to my desk. I'm also not using my laptop as much because my email notification's coming through the headphones and causing the phone to vibrate. That's probably

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    58. Re:yep... by snorris01 · · Score: 1
      That is just the ticket.

      I have taken my $35 ironman from being submersed 60' below sea level to 20,000'+ pressure altitude, all within a matter of days. It has traveled from hot deserts to snowy mountains to swamps and survived extended G loading.

      The only 'maintenance' it has needed in the past eight years are three new wristbands and a battery.

      I can't imagine any multi-use device even getting close to that (especially at the low cost). There will always be a benefit and need for device specialization.

    59. Re:yep... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      My current wristwatch has been happily chugging away telling time since before any cell phone ever existed and will still be chugging along quite possibly when something else comes along to displace the cell phone.

      The death of quality speciality devices is a bit premature at this point.

      This is also true of good cameras and mp3/media players.

      So would you say that vinyl and casette tapes are dead?

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    60. Re:yep... by skegg · · Score: 1

      SCUBA diving !? Wake boarding !?! Sky diving !?!!
      Let me guess: you're not overweight AND you have a girlfriend.

      Well you can take your precious watch .. but leave your geek card at the door.

      The hide of this guy ...

      (I jest, my friend)

    61. Re:yep... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      thats coz samsung have idiot engineers who dont use their own products because they are too poor to buy them.

      note: I still hate their E250, after the stupid font issues, crappy menu OS, and inability to run java of a mSD card. And why be so anal about running/copying java apps to the phone, sony makes it REALLY easy, why is samsung so frinking anal.

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    62. Re:yep... by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have never heard of a phone losing it's time when going out of reception.

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    63. Re:yep... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There will always be specialist devices, but if the iPhone was as cheap as your TRACPhone, and as functional as your computer and as reliable as your landline and uhm.. had a fold-out knife, then what purpose would each device have separately, other than to take up more space?

      I'm just illustrating the point.

      A DSLR is a specialist device. A typewriter (another example) is a specialist device, that some people still use, but was basically obsoleted by the multi-purpose device called "a computer".

      There will always be a DSLR, but for the average person, it's likely we can continue to improve camera-phone capabilities to eclipse modern point-and-shoot cameras, at which point, who really needs better, other than a specialist ("photographer")? Same goes for watches, alarm clocks, etc.

      I ceased using my hotel room alarm clocks when I got my iphone, because I have my alarms already configured and I'm certain that it will wake me (some hotel alarms don't) and I can turn it on in the dark, without hunting around for my glasses.

      Additionally, isn't the iPhone (aka iPodTouch+) basically regarded as one of the premier music players?

      I think this article is right-on.

    64. Re:yep... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Effing Prada website made my browser window very small. I hated Prada for their shoes before, now I hate them even more.

      They make shoes?

    65. Re:yep... by HJED · · Score: 1

      Either my phone, or my cheap digital watch keep better time than any "fine Rolex or Omega" mechanical watch.

      Saddly most phones I have used seem to be 2-3mins out within one week of me setting them, my watch however keeps very accurate for many months, also I can look at it without being really obvious, and I could if I needed to use it in places like military bases and research labs where allot of modern phones are not allowed

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    66. Re:yep... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Uhm, I used to check the time on my phone often while riding to work. I wore heavy gloves and a jacket, so a wrist watch was totally impractical anyway.....

      Neither, in that situation, was very practical, but at least i didn't have to expose skin to do it. :-)

    67. Re:yep... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      This really calls for a Douglas Adams reference.

    68. Re:yep... by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      I think the biggest issues here are human factors.

      There is no way a device small enough that I will want to wear it out running will be comfortable to use for phone conversations. And no way a device comfortable to use for phone conversations will have a large enough screen to read, browse the web fully, and write code.

      It is at least plausible that cell phones will one day have good enough sound quality and ergonomics that I'll want to replace my land-line. Cameras are another like this -- I have no doubt the best phone-cameras are good enough today that my weak photography skills need nothing better.

      Phones may replace some of these functions for some people, but they won't replace all of them for everyone.

    69. Re:yep... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You missed the third type - the one that has a switch. My old Nokia 6300 is like that. And I think that it will, in fact, fall back to its own internal clock if there's no network, and it's configured to use network time.

    70. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so i've actually become quite adept at telling the time via shadows, sundial style.

      So you know to within a degree which way is true north to within a degree (even with a compass you'd have to adjust for declination), and can figure out the adjustment for time of year and the difference between solar time and your time zone.

      Yes, all that is needed to be accurate to "within 10-15 minutes." And any compass accurate enough to tell time with is, by itself, more of a PITA than a cell phone.

    71. Re:yep... by rdebath · · Score: 1

      There are still practical pocket watches around, like this one

    72. Re:yep... by iamacat · · Score: 1

      So would you say that vinyl and casette tapes are dead?

      Hardly, and they are designed for the same purpose as mp3 players. Each have unique properties that attract enough users to make continued production profitable. Much less weird to replace one home stereo with another than the concept of taking out, turning on and looking at your phone to check time.

    73. Re:yep... by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

      Actually I think mobiles will become obsolete in the future and be replaced by mobile-watches you carry on your arm.... I have one already...

    74. Re:yep... by Urkki · · Score: 1

      I just can't wait to take my cell phone SCUBA diving, or wake boarding, or sky diving, or...

      Me neither! Alas, the technology isn't here yet :-(

      But I bet there are designs and possibly even prototypes in the labs of diving computer makers...

      Not to mention, a phone designed to be robust enough for SCUBA diving would be excellent for BAR diving as well!

    75. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you be checking a watch or a cel phone if you're in the car? There's not a clock on the dash of your car?

    76. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all a matter of taste, and you also get very used to it. I feel naked when I leave the house without my wrist watch because there's something missing on my arm. It's the same when I started wearing a ring. The first 3 days it was nasty and felt weird. Now it feels weird not to wear it out. I find myself playing with the spot on my finger where the ring is supposed to sit.

      I think anyone who has given something a go for more than a few days would feel the same.

    77. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't care how well your phone keeps time. I bought a Rolex S.S. Datejust in 1975 and have worn it daily since. Your phone keeps much better time, I'm sure, and I could have bought a much cheaper watch and got the same (in)accuracy. But you see, unlike you Computer People, I'm off the upgrade heroin. I find you to be an unsatisfiable and easily led cohort. Look at the shiny! But please don't take it personally; it's a generalization, but one I find to be pretty consistent.

      I don't care how well your phone keeps time. I had a Seiko something-or-other in 1980 but the strap broke in 1983 and I just did without one ever since. Actually, I don't often need to know the time but when I do I can tell you within half an hour or so just off the top of my head. Or, can check the phone in my pocket or the clock on the town tower, or at the railway station, or in any bank, or big digital at the shopping centre. Enjoy your wrist pain.

    78. Re:yep... by selven · · Score: 1

      The question was whether digital watches or mechanical watches are a greater sign of humanity's achievements, I don't know why you brought in the subject of space probes.

    79. Re:yep... by Pugwash69 · · Score: 1

      I have a phone watch. Very handy when I'm out and about not carrying a bulky mobile phone in my pocket.

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    80. Re:yep... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I also disagree with most other points.

      Phone boxes. While it is true that I use them quite rarely, it does happen that I forget my cell phone, and then I'm very glad that the traditional phone boxes still exist. What probably will die, however, is the variant using phone cards. I generally have coins with me, but I don't have a phone card. It would probably get invalid before I've used up the money on it.

      Landline home phones. Note however that I consider VoIP over a landline DSL still as landline home phone (it goes over a cable to your home, and you cannot use it elsewhere). I don't think that will go away.

      Netbooks. A cell phone cannot be made as large as a netbook, because then it would be too large to be a cell phone. However, it may be that the netbook market is eaten by more powerful netbook-size, but full-featured notebooks if those get cheaper.

      Paper. The paperless office has been predicted for how long?

      Thinking. While some people indeed rely on electronics to replace their thinking whereever possible (some people aren't even able to do a simple addition without their calculator), there will always be those people who continue to use their brain even in situations where they could have relied on their gadgets.

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    81. Re:yep... by kingturkey · · Score: 1

      There is also the most sensible option: the hybrid of those two. One where it keeps the time stored internally but has an option to change the time with the network's time. The problem is that the network can get it wrong and if you don't have the option to set the correct time then you don't have a useful clock.

    82. Re:yep... by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      I'll also have to agree with the grandparent... I can flick my wrist and check the time in under a second. It takes a good 10 seconds to fish my phone out of my pocket and unlock it, esp if I'm in a car and the pocket isn't at a great angle for phone removal.

      Hence the clock in the dashboard, also looking at the dashboard for the time will not be mistaken for calling on the phone by passing officers.

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    83. Re:yep... by Supurcell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not all of us drive fancy space cars like Flash Rogers over here.

    84. Re:yep... by houghi · · Score: 1

      In my car I have two clocks. One on my radio and one on the display. When at home or at the office, I have a clock on my PC and on the wall. When I am out with friends, I almost never am interested what the time is.

      On a good day I check the time on my phone perhaps 4 or 5 times (High estimate). Takes me about 5 seconds. Just measured it. So that is about 30 seconds Now you could call that wasted time, but most of the time I do that is when I am standing with somebody and am talking. It is not as if I need to stop doing what I am doing to look at my phone for the time.

      In reality the time difference will be about 0. Due to irregular working days I sometimes really do not know what day it is and I have mixed up AM and PM in the past. Never happend with my phone as watch.

      I also have turned of auto-sync just as I had no auto-sync on my watch in the past. So to me a non-issue as well.

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    85. Re:yep... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Don't forget hard disks, CD/DVD/BluRay drives, printers and scanners.
      I'm pretty sure if all precise mechanics would suddenly fail, about 99% of all existing non-embedded computers would stop working.

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    86. Re:yep... by Bake · · Score: 1

      One telltale sign of an ape descendant: He thinks digital watches are a neat idea.

    87. Re:yep... by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      There's no prestige in using a phone instead of a watch. It's merely convinience and elimination of redundancy.

      I find you to be an unsatisfiable and easily led cohort. Look at the shiny!

      To be honest, that sounds a bit rich coming from the guy with a Rolex watch.

    88. Re:yep... by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      What about a micro-mechanical iPhone?

    89. Re:yep... by rizole · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm hoping to live long enough for a small cranial implant or neural interface to take over from my cell phone/watch/mp3/net/etc...

    90. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think your iPhone is going to get you laid

      Mine has. One word: Grindr.

    91. Re:yep... by _merlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must have a pathetically weak wrist. A watch, like a ring, necklace, hat, or any other item of clothing, is very easy to become accustomed to for normal humans.

    92. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same for me, except that I resisted for 2 years.

      Oh, my phone does not synchronize its clock; but my watch does, as long as I'm less than 2000km from the LW transmitter (Frankfurt I believe). It works in southern France, but not in southern Spain. Synchronized once per day, which is more than enough given the precision of the crystal. However my phone is not that bad in terms of absolute timekeeping: less than 1mn/month (1 to 1.5s/day) even if the battery runs out.

    93. Re:yep... by XedLightParticle · · Score: 1

      hmmm... not wearing a watch can be just as much a statement as wearing one.

      But you're right, watches are much longer standing statements of style and status than any mobile phone, which will anyway be changed every 6-12 months.

      I've not been wearing a watch for several years now, I do find it troublesome to pull out my phone for it and it certainly isn't something to attract ladies. However not wearing a watch may signal "I've got time for you", "I can manage my day unassistedly" or "I'm not handcuffed to time", and I always show up on time.
      All I'm saying is that not wearing a watch can be just as strong a signal as wearing a Rolex or whatever, as long as you're not a slack regarding time.

      However you do lose opportunity of looking busy and checking your watch if you're in a situation you'd rather escape from.

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    94. Re:yep... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Another 'me too' post. My watch broke a couple of years ago, and I used my phone instead for a few months. Getting my phone out of my pocket to check the time is incredibly cumbersome compared to rotating my wrist slightly. I eventually got a titanium Skagen watch to replace it. It's beautifully made, only a few mm thick, and so light you can easily forget that you're wearing it. And, unlike something like a Rolex, it wasn't stupidly expensive. It is the physical embodiment of the UNIX philosophy: it does one thing (telling the time) and it does it superbly.

      I don't take my phone when I go out dancing, but I do want to know the time. The clock in the bar which hosts my tango class stopped a few months ago and they haven't bothered getting it fixed, and the place where I dance salsa never had a clock (most drinking establishments don't; people don't want to be constantly reminded of the time while relaxing). I take off my jacket and leave it in a corner while I'm dancing, so I don't really want to have anything valuable in it, and a phone is just one more thing to lose. A watch is small and I can keep it with me all of the time.

      Most of the time I'm out doing sociable things, I consider to be offline time. I don't want to have a device with me that keeps me constantly in touch with the world, I want to concentrate on the people in the same room as me. A watch lets me do that and still be able to tell the time.

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    95. Re:yep... by kramerd · · Score: 1

      Yes actually...

      Its called 'I've got to pull the parachute somewhere between 45 and 55 seconds after I jump out of the plane and due to adrenaline I don't trust my counting skills all that well.'

    96. Re:yep... by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      I didn't get (electrocuted || dragged into machinery || mugged) once because I don't wear a wristwatch. If I'm out and about I usually carry a wallet and a phone. If I'm inside I'm usually in sight of a microwave oven, computer, wall clock etc. I have traveled the world without any form of personal time telling apparatus whatsoever, which included probably 15 flights I had to catch and numerous bus and train journeys. I didn't miss one appointment.

    97. Re:yep... by Nyder · · Score: 1

      ... I can flick my wrist and check the time in under a second. It takes a good 10 seconds to fish my phone out of my pocket and unlock it, esp if I'm in a car and the pocket isn't at a great angle for phone removal.

      guess you need a better phone. i don't have to unlock mine to see what time it is.

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    98. Re:yep... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I use my phone instead of a wristwatch, and I know a small number of other non-slashdotters who do as well. My reason is that I don't like having things on my wrist.

    99. Re:yep... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      I don't know about all the other suckers out there, but I'd pay more for the iPhone. Hey, at least I can use it, and it's fun, and it can't be replaced by something worth $10.

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    100. Re:yep... by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 1

      Ah but if it could project a display on any surface, and you could interact with the device with voice, holographic keyboard or watch trackball... A watch certainly is a little more convenient than a cellphone....

      I haven't owned a watch in years, but when it catches up to my HTC G1, I'd probably switch.

    101. Re:yep... by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      >esp if I'm in a car

      How old is your car? Does it not have a clock?

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    102. Re:yep... by maxume · · Score: 1

      In another 50 years, $15 watches will be virtually indestructible and require no maintenance, at least if Casio has anything to say about it:

      http://www.amazon.com/Casio-G-Shock-Solar-Atomic-GW500AJP-1AV/dp/B000FF5DDY

      (I dislike their styling, but a watch that doesn't need new batteries, is durable and sets itself is available for $80 today)

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    103. Re:yep... by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 1

      I bet your reception is going to be rather lousy when scuba diving.

    104. Re:yep... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      its more along the lines of knowing what time it is (when i'm near a clock) and noting shadows at that time, and then after that everything just clicks.
      and its not like I'm using sundial power to schedule everything, i get time refreshers when i get in my truck and go to the hardware store, or when someone else checks a phone or something and says 'damn, its only 9:15? i thought for sure we'd been working for 4 hours by now'
      so admittedly, its not as neat as you made it out to be, but its better than bald ass guessing.

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    105. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point.

      We have to order top of the line gadgets for the executives where I work.

      Every new iPhone, BlackBerry, etc. We ordered Voodoo laptops at one point.

    106. Re:yep... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It's a preference in Firefox :)

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    107. Re:yep... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Mechanical clocks don't electrocute you. I have never heard of anyone ever being electrocuted from a wristwatch. The power level a regular wristwatch requires is too small. I actually know people who have been dragged into machinery and usually they got their fingers caught in the mechanism. Not their watch. Which they would probably take off to work anyway.

      How many times did you have to ask someone else the time in your trip?

    108. Re:yep... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Just to confirm, my limited edition Omega Speedmaster has never got me laid.

      It does make me happy, but frankly, it's not going to get me laid.

      While I concur it will pawn for rather more than every mobile phone I've owned added together, I would be distressed if I ever needed the money that badly.

    109. Re:yep... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      And why would anyone need to pawn their phone or their wristwatch?

      Indeed. How on earth are all these pawn shops staying open.

      No wonder there is so much advertising on TV at the moment for 'cash for gold' companies. They must be having to advertise heavily just to find anybody willing to sell their gold jewellery at all.

      As for those idiots that bought gold necklaces because they had secure jobs and some disposable income, why, if they'd only saved all that cash for when the economy took a nosedive, they'd be laughing now and wouldn't have to sell a thing.

      Yeah, I think he was suggesting that people would spend $15k on a wrist watch then may subsequently find themselves needing rather more liquid assets. Circumstances change, and initial affordability doesn't necessarily come into it.

    110. Re:yep... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm jealous. You can't do that where I live. It's usually raining..

    111. Re:yep... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm weird, I take my watch off when I sit down. It sits on the desk by the computer, on the arm of the sofa, right now it's on my bedside table. But I pick it up and put it on when I move, unless I'm coming back withing a couple of minutes.

      My phone on the other hand I also put to the side. Except that that it stays there unless I'm significantly changing location. Different building, or extended visit to another room.

      Even at work, my phone sits on my desk for hours while I'm at meetings. My watch goes to meetings with me.

    112. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately this won't work for most Slashdotters as the shadows never change in their mom's basement.

    113. Re:yep... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if the phone manufacturers know that they can get away with using crappy crystal oscillators and just re-syncing the time regularly.

      Well, yes, but they already get a packet from the tower every minute or so, which already has the time in it.

      I suspect most of the inaccuracy in your phone is, in fact, inaccuracy in cell towers.

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    114. Re:yep... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      What cars are you in that they don't have a clock in the dashboard?

      I used to drive an old Ford S-10 that didn't have one, but I went and bought a stick-on one for it.

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    115. Re:yep... by muridae · · Score: 1

      I use my cellphone as a point-and-shoot, but I have a DSLR that takes good pictures. With a DSLR, I am not going to spend $100 on a cheap p&s when there is so much glass available. Other people I know, the non-photographers, keep a small p&s around with their cell phone. Why? 5x optical zoom, 12 megapixels (more than my DSLR *cry*), and something close to 10 mm focal length, as opposed to a cell phone with a 2mm focal length, no zoom, and 2 to 4 MP.

      When cell phones start adding things like collapsible lenses to offer a slightly better focal length, multiple f-stop settings, higher megapixel ratings, and the providers stop gouging their non-savvy customers* to get the pictures off their phones; that is when cell phones will compete with even a simple point-and-shoot. Till then, cellphones are great for snapping quick pictures to send around (owls or cats making strange faces), but for even something like pictures at your kid's sporting event or birthday party, they just wont match a cheap point and shoot camera.

      *: Directed to Verizon.

    116. Re:yep... by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      1. Voice commands will work really poorly in crowded places. I'm trying to picture how I'd use voice commands reliably in Denver airport.

      2. Any sort of holographic projection thing is going to require something to project on. For privacy reasons you'll often want something you can hold up to your face, and there are many surfaces that would be impolite to use for a holographic keyboard. If you have something you're holding up to your face, now you have to hold the watch steady relative to it... you'd be better off with a detachable LCD screen. At which point you might as well put the phone hardware in the LCD screen instead.

      3. Again, ergonomic factors dictate that a watch is not more convenient than a phone for making calls. My watch has one button on the front and four out of the way on the sides. More buttons on the front would make it harder to use (it is typically pressed blind, sometimes while wearing gloves, usually while very tired and out of breath, and for my purposes I need fairly precise timing). A phone needs... a numeric keypad! A device with an effective keypad and be easy to talk into, something good enough that I'd prefer it to my landline, would have to be big. You could have a Bluetooth thing that looks like a phone or a headset or something... but, again, you might as well just make that the phone instead. If you get a call on your watch-phone and don't have a headset with you, what can you do about it? You just get a ring, and maybe you can listen to the message.

    117. Re:yep... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      There will always be dedicated tools.

      ...as long as they are better than the multi-tool.

      As has been pointed out, try finding a dedicated typewriter. Yes, some people still use them, if by 'some people' we mean 0.001% of the population that types things.

      Or try finding a digital voice recorder. You won't find them, as that functionality is build into mp3 players now. Granted, there are some devices that as marketed a recorder that also play mp3s, instead of as an mp3 player that also record voice, but the point is, it's one device.

      People will use standalone digital cameras and video cameras, as long as they want higher quality than their cellphone provides. When their cell phone provides enough quality, they will stop. That's how it works.

      Incidentally, my phone is an iPod. And hell, before I had an iPhone, I used my previous phone for music. And the phone before that, come to think of it.

      Considering that cell phones have wireless stereo headsets support built in, they're actually better mp3 players than most of the mp3 players out there.

      The only reason people are using dedicated music players at this point is that they're not to used to using their cell phone. As cell phone manufacturers have started using 'players multimedia' as a selling point, the changeover is happening pretty rapidly.

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    118. Re:yep... by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Why don't you tell us about how much better gramophones sound too, grandpa?

    119. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in construction over summer, had the same problem with cell phone damage. I thought I was the only one who could tell time (somewhat) accurately via shadows.

    120. Re:yep... by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      And then there are the phones that do both, like my Sony Ericsson w580i, my wife's Nokia ExpressMusic, the Nokia phones we had before that, and my original Panasonic TX220. They have local clocks, so the time stays current when the phone is off, when out of cell service, and when in "airplane mode" where the cell radio is off. They also keep the local clock sync'd to the network clock. And will update the time when you cross timezones (they can all be configured to update the time automatically, or alert you to give you the option of updating or not).

      Granted, these (except the Panasonic, which was TDMA) are all GSM phones on Rogers in Canada. Maybe GSM really is better? Maybe Rogers does have the most reliable network? Maybe we just select better phones?

    121. Re:yep... by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      You want to see something messed up? Go to Ruidoso, NM and watch your phone switch between Central and Mountain time. One hour it would be 4:00PM, the next it would be 4:00PM, the next hour it would be 6:00PM. I never knew which time zone my phone would use the next time I looked at it.

    122. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It already has, as the core function of a cell phone is to make money for 2 separate corporations. See those rubber bracelet things being sold for charity. The manufacturer makes some on the hardware and the bulk of the proceeds go to whatever is stamped on the band for no material outlay on the part of that organization, only the possession of an existing infrastructure(aid stations in breast cancer clinics in war-torn parts of Somalia, or whatever the current trend is).

    123. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I have the same problem when I visited Knoxville. The city is located about 60 miles inside the Eastern Time Zone, but my phone occasionally thinks it is in Central Time Zone. Luckily, my phone has a setting to specify the time zone, so I put it on Eastern Standard and kept the auto-sync.

    124. Re:yep... by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Well obviously you haven't heard of his friend's phone. Incidentally it would be nice if he could tell us which phone it is...

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    125. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. How on earth are all these pawn shops staying open.

      Stolen property. The people pawning items aren't the ones who purchased them.

    126. Re:yep... by Random5 · · Score: 1

      Mine keeps track when out of range fine (well at least I assume so, I'll check it today but would be extremely surprised if it's out at all - I have my phone on aeroplane mode at work so there's 8 hours of it relying on it's own little clock. 2 hours in and it's within 3 seconds of this XP PC's clock so it can't be that bad. At this rate it might go out by 1 minute a day... assuming that 3 seconds is even drift and not just a slight difference. Can't confirm it auto shifts time zones, but I would be very surprised if it didn't (as it's an android phone and very location aware, it gives me weather for whatever suburb i'm in on the home screen!)

    127. Re:yep... by karnal · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you didn't have a Chevy Ranger? ;)

      I have a 78 Mercury Cougar that has one of the mechanical clocks - unfortunately, it's broken so you can't set the time on it. I did the same thing - bought a little clock at Autozone and stuck it to the dash.

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    128. Re:yep... by HBoar · · Score: 1

      Not sure of the exact model, but its a Samsung flip-phone from about a year ago... one of their cheaper ones... not still being sold by the looks of things.

    129. Re:yep... by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      I use my phone instead of a wristwatch because, many years ago, I realised that a watch was fueling my latent obsessive-compulsive tendencies. I was constantly checking the time when I wasn't actively engaged in another task. I gave it up cold turkey and became much calmer once I knew the time as "I need to be somewhere in about half an hour". The modern world is full of ways to find out the time except for places like casinos which deliberately want you to lose track of the time. Plenty of opportunities to keep synchronised to the nearest half hour, and if you don't have an appointment wouldn't it be better for your blood pressure to lose track of the time when you're engaged in something?

      Fishing my cell phone out of my pocket is just inconvenient enough that I haven't got hooked on knowing the time again.

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    130. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just imply that your WRISTWATCH can get you laid?
      WOW!

      I've known people who got a good $700 from their iPhone.

      TFA didn't say at all that watches will be GONE just that they'll be obsolete and they are. It never said that people who wear watches to get laid will stop wearing them, but the average person you meet will not be wearing one.

      Just because horse carriages have become obsolete doesn't mean that people have completely stopped using horse carriages (maybe the horses help them get laid too?).

      Of all the people I know (even people who wear watches), when you ask them what time it is, they check their phone first.

    131. Re:yep... by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "I don't think wristwatches will become obsolete, but they will certainly be (and in many cases have been) relegated to the role of optional fashion accessory."

      The article is correct. Watch sales are down worldwide by 30-40%.

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    132. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be surprised if the phone manufacturers know that they can get away with using crappy crystal oscillators and just re-syncing the time regularly.

      Uh...I would. They don't have a separate oscillator to keep the time, dude. What frequency does the arm processor run under? The software keeps time based on cpu cycles, and the resolution should be plenty good enough to keep extremely good time in between tower re-syncs (even if you're away from service for days, it shouldn't drift that badly).

      As somebody else mentioned, the towers are probably sending your phone inaccurate time.

    133. Re:yep... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      There are 1000 reasons why a cell phone has to track the time when it is disconnected. Processor relies on a clock, as does the camera, and the cellular protocols, etc. It knows the time, it just isn't display it or something dumb like that.

    134. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever. You can pry my Ebel off my cold, dead wrist.

    135. Re:yep... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      You know that can set time, just as with any other watch, when you restore power, do you? ^^

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    136. Re:yep... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Uuum, what made you think there is an either-or?

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    137. Re:yep... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Uuum, even some of the first of all mobile phones could show time when in standby mode. And unless you got thight tube pants: What takes you so long??

      3 seconds, I say. Which works for me for me.

      But about your weird experiences: Oh boy am I happy that all Nokias I ever had did properly keep time and had their own clock, even when without a net. :) What did you buy again? I need to avoid that company...

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    138. Re:yep... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...some of us have been daydreaming about devices like that since the 70s.

      Hopefully the solution won't require 3rd level meditation.

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    139. Re:yep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always rely on my wristwatch to get me laid....

    140. Re:yep... by bobzaguy · · Score: 0

      "It's within reach of even below-average citizens, so it doesn't get you any status points." Walmart Shoppers!

    141. Re:yep... by Z1NG · · Score: 1

      Personally I carry both a watch and a cell phone at all times and always end up checking the phone for time instead of the watch. When I'm not on the move I usually just check the computer because it's much closer to hand than either the watch or the phone.

      So...why the watch?

    142. Re:yep... by Swizec · · Score: 1

      Because I like mechanical things and am utterly fascinated by proper clockwork. None of that quartz shit.

    143. Re:yep... by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Processor relies on a clock, as does the camera, and the cellular protocols, etc.

      Yes, but all of these just rely on A clock, not the time where you are currently located. In fact, I don't think any of these would actually care how long a "second" is, as they just use a number of "ticks" of a clock, and slowing that down a bit most likely will have no effect on their operation. And if you're out of service range, cellular protocols are unnecessary anyway.

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    144. Re:yep... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you have the clock, and you have been in service range at some point, and haven't turned the phone off, and you haven't moved into a different time zone, then you know the time where you are currently located.

    145. Re:yep... by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand my point. They rely on some kind of clock (a hardware clock that toggles back and forth between 0 and 1), but not necessarily on what most people consider to be a clock (one that tracks hours/minutes/seconds).

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    146. Re:yep... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I see what you mean, you are talking about just a plain old CPU clock. But I doubt that is all they have. They would need an actual counter in order to implement the various wireless protocols. Plus they probably have multiple watchdog timers and things for polling the battery, cell towers, etc.

      Plus, even if that is all they had, you could still count wall clock time based on knowing the frequency of the CPU clock.

    147. Re:yep... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Status symbols change over time."

      Yes, but they do quite slowly and more slowly as they come more expensive.

      "And displaying status isn't stupid"

      I didn't mean that: I was simply perusing the parent's words under its own acceptions. If you want the bad feelings out of it just rewrite it as "the kind of people that value owning expensive and exclusive things are not going to disappear anytime soon".

  2. Rediscovering obsolescence by frisket · · Score: 1

    Who was it wrote that SF short about the civilisation that suddenly thought of putting humans into their spaceships, they were so much more flexible than computers...

    1. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Asimov - "The Feeling Of Power"

      Can be read here: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html

    2. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

      That's a great story.

      Thanks!

    3. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by jd · · Score: 1

      Talking of sci-fi, phone booths can't become obsolete! They're needed for "The Duelling Machine" and also for The Doctor's TARDIS! I'm pretty sure they'll be needed when the Triffids attack, too, and they could be handy when "A for Andromeda" happens.

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    4. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by timothy · · Score: 1

      Ha! I swear I didn't bump into your comment until just now -- updated the story w/ independent recollection, with (praise be to Google) a link to the very same online collection ;)

      Yes, a great story -- I'll have to read some of the other stuff at that site as well.

      timothy

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    5. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story, bro

    6. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Sorry for being a pedant, but the TARDIS resembles a police call box - not a phone booth - and they've already been made obsolete by smart radio systems like TETRA.

    7. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Talking of sci-fi, phone booths can't become obsolete!

      Don't forget Superman! Where would he get changed?

      I can see the value of a phone booth as being a quiet place to make a phone call, even if it's on your mobile phone. They'd still smell of urine though...

    8. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, since we're on the topic of old SF, I'm trying to track down two old stories.

      1) A spy crash lands on a planetoid maybe a few kilometres round, all the while being pursued by a warship in what passes for orbit. Thanks to lengthy strides in the low gravity, and tracking their radio emissions, he is always one step ahead or behind them.

      2) A generation ship with a bussard engine misses its target (long story) and ends up accelerating and accelerating, leaving the galaxy. Finally they end up at the big crunch (outdated physics).

      Do either of these stories ring any bells?

    9. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by nko321 · · Score: 1

      Asimov, The Feeling of Power!

    10. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking of sci-fi, phone booths can't become obsolete!

      wtf is a phone booth?

    11. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...They're needed for..
      You forgot Superman/Clark Kent.

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    12. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by jd · · Score: 1

      According to Susan Foreman, it's also been an Iconic column and a Sedan chair. In one Peter Davison story, it became a grand piano. So there. Nyah.

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    13. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by _merlin · · Score: 1

      That would have been another TARDIS - the Doctor's TARDIS had a broken chameleon circuit, so it was stuck looking like a police box.

    14. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Also, how would you leave the Matrix without public phones?

      Ah, now I understand why they want to get rid of them!

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    15. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They may be obsolete, but there are still a few around. And, yes, as The Doctor said, humans do just walk straight past them without knowing what they are and without being at all curious...

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    16. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      Your second story sounds like Tau Zero, by (I think) James White. Read it once, a *long* time ago.

    17. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      Actually, since we're on the topic of old SF, I'm trying to track down two old stories.

      1) A spy crash lands on a planetoid maybe a few kilometres round, all the while being pursued by a warship in what passes for orbit. Thanks to lengthy strides in the low gravity, and tracking their radio emissions, he is always one step ahead or behind them.

      Does it involve an alien in a perfectly isolating suit, on a frosty planet?

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    18. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I find it rather hilarious on Smallville that there are working phone booths.

      I'm willing to buy working 'phone booths' in the lobby of the Daily Planet, which are really just enclosed pay phone you can sit down to use, but there's one or two glass-enclosed booths outside, too. And they not only work, they can receive incoming calls.

      In some very strange technological anachronism, they're calls from disposable cell phones! Phone booths, especially ones that could receiving incoming calls, stopped existing almost a decade before disposable cell phones, so it break suspension of disbelief even if we pretend the stories aren't really in 'modern day'.

      Of course, in the other direction of implausibility, Clark's cell phone apparently continues to work as he superspeeds and near-instantly switches between a good dozen cell towers. No, I don't think so. Towers can only hand calls over to the nearby tower, not one halfway across the state. That call would get dropped as the towers freaked out, or at the least take four or five seconds to renegotiate.

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    19. Re:Rediscovering obsolescence by jd · · Score: 1

      Out-nerded you, then. It was temporarily repaired in Logopolis, although the TARDIS only actually changed shape in one story quite a bit later than that and never changed again.

      Come to think of it, it was invisible in The Invasion and therefore might have been any shape at all prior to rematerializing as a police box at the very end.

      The Sensorites were able to remove the locking mechanism, resulting in a change to the outward appearance. Thus, even then, the chameleon circuit wasn't so stuck that it couldn't adjust the shape accordingly.

      For that matter, although The Doctor has claimed the TARDIS can't change shape, it has not retained the same police box exterior, showing that some chameleon capability exists.

      My personal suspicion is that the First Doctor forgot how to change the shape and that later Doctors kept the basic design as a cross between a trademark and a banner.

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  3. PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by JDeane · · Score: 1

    This reminds me exactly of the stories about consoles killing off PC gaming.

    I doubt cell phones will kill many of those things off.

    I agree with land line phones in the home, unless some one needs to fax something but I suspect those online fax services will get more popular to pick up the slack.

    The rest of the stuff would have already happened if it was going too (with the exception of gaming)

    1. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      for part of my company we scan and email documents for sending. The fax is there, but over 3/4 of the fax numbers for the company actually convert the document to PDF's and then hit the mail server. which sends them out to every one who might need a copy.

      another 10-15 years and those that can't do it digitally will finally retire. between email, an easy to use scanner, and decent file management I only save a handful of hard copies. Of course I have to trust that my IT dept does decent backups of the network drives.

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    2. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you used a phone booth or a pay phone?

      Last time for me was when I LOST MY CEL PHONE.

      More seriously though, I really don't think portable gaming is going away because of cell phones. Diminished, sure, that market segment that Nintendo caught with the DS that really likes casual games and sudoku might go away, but there's no way in hell I'm playing metroid on a cel phone.

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    3. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by Tellarin · · Score: 1

      I also think that TFA is exaggerated and that most devices will still exist.

      But, specifically about pay phones, many poorer countries have stands where you can rent a cell phone to make a call and then pay for the minute. So the phone booth will just change its form.

      And regarding games, in my opinion people will not play on their phones. But their DSs and PSPs will make phone calls. With bluetooth headsets, VOIP, and everything becoming a IP network, it's already here.

    4. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When was the last time you used a phone booth or a pay phone?

      Last month in the O'Hare airport terminal in Chicago. I don't own a cell phone. Don't want one.

      I'll get a cell phone when they provide *complete*, legally mandated nationwide five-nines uptime like the POTS and give flat unlimited service for $45/month. Oh, yeah, and when they continue working when the electricity goes out. What happened in NYC around 10AM on 9/13/01? Cell towers started failing because their generators ran out of gas.

    5. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>This reminds me exactly of the stories about consoles killing off PC gaming.

      Yes. And? PC gaming is not completely dead, but it's nothing like it used to be. You used to be able to walk into any gaming store and find wall-after-wall of computer games. Not today.

      And consoles used to be a generation (4-5 years) behind computers, but not anymore. Consoles are just as powerful as PCs in terms of sound and graphics, and a heck of a lot easier to use (no need to frak-around with settings or upgrading video cards).

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    6. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      no doubt a reasonable reason not to own a cel phone, but how many people are holding out the way you are?

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    7. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Yes. And? PC gaming is not completely dead, but it's nothing like it used to be.

      Unfortunately, it's true. And companies like Activion aren't helping, producing crappy console ports.

      Consoles are just as powerful as PCs in terms of sound and graphics

      No, actually they're not. Here's an example: http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/original/2009/11/mw2_vergleich_1.jpg

      Notice the visible pixelization in PS3 and Xbox360 versions compared to the PC. In the consoles you can't even read the top lettering in the posters. And unlike consoles, PC graphics get better every month, while new versions of both PS and Xbox are not expected in the close future.
      Note: this is not a "PC ARE BETAR THAN CONZOLES !1!1!" post. Consoles have advantages over PC, and vice versa. Simply top graphic capabilities isn't one of them.

    8. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      If you say so. I only see the differences if I get within an inch of my screen. Otherwise I'd never see anything different.

      Now compare these two photos, one from a 1985 console, and the other from a 1985 computer. See? The difference used to be huge:
      console - http://ryangenno.tripod.com/images/R-TypeSMS-ick.gif
      computer - http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/screenshots/full/r-type_03.png

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    9. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
    10. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      The theory that consoles would kill off PC gaming is exactly backwards what's happening with cell phones.

      Cell phones are subsuming other, standalone devices. The equivalent theory would be that PCs will eventually kills off consoles.

      But PCs are not as good a gaming platform as consoles in a lot of ways. Despite what people think, they've got as much CPU, on average. (Consoles beat them when the console first comes out, but two years later, the newest PC will win while the console is still the same.)

      But they don't play as well on the big screen, or with multiplayer, and people don't have them in their living room.

      Note all those are changing with HTPCs, and it's entirely possible as more and more people have HTPCs, consoles will vanish. Or, in fact, consoles will turn into HTPCs, which is the same thing...dedicated computers hooked to TVs for just playing games will stop existing, and now people will have computers designed to be hooked to TVs but able to do anything.

      Whether that device will be running something by Microsoft or by a console maker is unknown. (And rather blurry in the case of Xbox.) I'm hoping the platform won't be locked down like consoles are, so I hope that the console makers 'lose', or at least their paradigm of control loses, and these devices are more like general purpose computers. But, either way, it's the same thing.

      Which will also subsume DVRs and DVD players. (Consoles already are doing that to DVD players.)

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    11. Re:PC gaming is dead err I mean portable... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Consoles tend to beat PCs at the moment they come out. Everyone's all 'Oh, look at the amazing graphics!' and whatnot.

      But then...consoles don't change. For years. The PS3 just hit two. The XBox 360 is three and a half. (The Wii, of course, isn't trying to compete on graphics, but instead kicking everyone's ass by simply being more fun.)

      In an industry where new CPUs and graphics cards show up every few months, this means, on average, console and PC purchased for the cost of the console are about the same.

      The entire line of video cards I have, nVidia 9 series, is newer than a PS3. My entire gaming computer is faster, CPU(1) and GPU, than a PS3. And cheaper. Same amount of video memory, four times as much system memory.

      Go back in time to the launch of a PS3, a PS3 was the cheapest you could get that much graphical processing power. It really wasn't a year later. (And part of that cheapness is the fact that console makers cheat and eat some of the cost of the console.)

      1) Well, trying to objectively compare CPUs to the PS3's cell CPU is hard, but whatever. Mine is a triple core 2.1Ghz AMD, vs. the PS3 single core 3.2Ghz and seven async cell processors. My computer is, at least, not much slower.

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  4. Watches by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    Wristwatches seem to be making a comeback in a big way. Watch any TV show and keep an eye out for flashy watches. As a bit of a collector, I'm kind of annoyed that they seem to becoming trendy. On the bright side, the selection of cool watches is definitely improving.

    1. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have to disagree, almost no one I know wears a watch daily.

    2. Re:Watches by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      I've got an expensive one I wear for Dates and formal occasions.

      It doesn't fit into my normal outfits as far as "trendy" is concerned though.

    3. Re:Watches by longhairedgnome · · Score: 0

      Yeah the GP is a total lameo. Go ahead buddy, go ahead and tell everyone that you liked watches before they became popular.

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    4. Re:Watches by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      I have a co-worker who always asks me why I wear a (analog) watch. I respond that I can tell the time in a matter of seconds vs. looking for my blackbery and that my bb is often charging, while my watch just keeps on ticking.

      Even my two boys (9 and 7 years old) wear watches.

    5. Re:Watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      >>Yup just replaced my Seiko Helmet which my cat broke the crystal on when it pushed it of my bathroom sink with a nice Bulova Marine Star.

      Subject, verb, object parse error.

    6. Re:Watches by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      And everyone I know wears a watch daily. I guess we must know different people.

    7. Re:Watches by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      GPs been wearing watches since the protestant reformation... wristwatches were heresy back then, definitely not popular.

        joking aside, the great Wikipedia tells us that the first wristwatch went on sale in 1911 and was made by Cartier. and they were popular only till shortly after WW I when they fell out of fashion and by 1930 the ratio of Pocket watches to the wrist variety was 50:1. from then on the pocket watch declined in popularity, only enjoying a weak resurgence in the 1970s and 1980s with the popularity of the 3 piece suit.

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    8. Re:Watches by bmo · · Score: 2

      Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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    9. Re:Watches by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      "I have a co-worker who always asks me why I wear a (analog) watch. I respond that I can tell the time in a matter of seconds vs. looking for my blackbery and that my bb is often charging, while my watch just keeps on ticking."

      That doesn't answer the analog point at all... watch sure.

    10. Re:Watches by longhairedgnome · · Score: 0

      Interesting.

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    11. Re:Watches by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      How did your bathroom sink have a Bulova Marine Star?

      Or did you mean your cat used a Bulova Marine Star to push the crystal off the bathroom sink?

      And how was the crystal on your bathroom sink and the Seiko Helmet at the same time?

      Is your bathroom sink a watch, or does it have a watch?)

      I'm so confused.

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    12. Re:Watches by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      Oh, sorry. Should have explained the analog part.

      I can actually tell time faster with an analog dial than a digital watch. Sure, I had the Timex LCD when i was in 4th grade, followed by the data watches, teh calculator watches and the ones with 24 time zones.

      I finally decided it was quicker and easier to use a watch with an analog face.

      The only "digital" thing about is that mine has a night light. (Timex indiglo)

  5. Not wristwatches by chebucto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a flip phone that displays the time in large, bold numbers on the outside of the phone and even syncs time automatically. But I still use my wristwatch whenver I'm wearing it, because a) I don't have to fish it out of my pocket, b) it's always right there, unlike my phone which more often than not is out of arm's reach. Not to mention the fact that a watch battery lasts years, unlike the 1 week max the phone battery lasts.

    More generally, I thought the lesson the original iPod taught us was that specialized devices tend to do a much better job than multi-function devices because they allow the UI and features to be specialized for a specific task. Phone cameras, clocks, and other doo-dads are great, but work best as stand-ins for the real thing. They are what you use when you don't have anything better at hand.

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    1. Re:Not wristwatches by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that a watch battery lasts years, unlike the 1 week max the phone battery lasts.

      A lot of people have made this point. All I want to know is, why do you have a cell phone if its battery only lasts a week. Sure, in a survival situation having the wristwatch allows you to tell time for a longer period of time but then again, do you really need to tell time in a survival situation. If you have the phone you have the phone, doesn't matter what the charging time is (unless you find yourself with a dead cell phone very often, then you should work on your planning).

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    2. Re:Not wristwatches by drsquare · · Score: 1

      More generally, I thought the lesson the original iPod taught us was that specialized devices tend to do a much better job than multi-function devices

      Yet Apple released the iphone, because they realised that people weren't going to carry around an ipod and a phone.

      A phone battery might last a week, but I'm never away from a clock or an energy source for a week at a time. Watches are just jewellery nowadays.

    3. Re:Not wristwatches by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Yet Apple released the iphone, because they realised that people weren't going to carry around an ipod and a phone.

      Yet I still carry around an iPod and a phone. Granted, it's not an iPhone, but it plays MP3s, and has a SD card slot, so there's nothing stopping me from using just my phone. One could argue that it's because I prefer the iPod's media interface, but even if I had an iPhone, I'd STILL carry both, because the iPod has twice as much storage space as the iPhone. And that's only if I limit myself to the iPod Touch. If I were carrying a normal iPod, the iPhone can't even begin to compete with it in terms of storage space.

      Watches are just jewellery nowadays.

      No. People wear, and use, watches all the time. Just because you don't use a thing doesn't make it obsolete for most of the world.

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    4. Re:Not wristwatches by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Funny, I have just been noticing how long it's been since I've used either of my iPods or my other mp3 players. I just play music and podcasts with my Android phone. I have to agree with the article - the dedicated mp3 player's days are numbered.

      It's interesting that it isn't a question of the technology - my last 4 phones were all *capable* of playing mp3s, but it was just too much of a hassle. The interfaces were very, very clunky, getting music into them was a hassle, and the iPod was slimmer, easier, and more convenient. Now, however, the phone wins: the music interface is good enough, and it supports Pandora, last.fm, imeem, etc - imeem lets me store my collection online, so we're talking about access to my entire mp3 collection anywhere. (I actually prefer Lala, but they haven't got their Android or iPhone apps up yet...)

      The hold-out on the list for me at this point is the camera. Even low-end digital cameras are much more useful than cameras in phones to me.

    5. Re:Not wristwatches by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      a watch battery lasts years, unlike the 1 week max the phone battery lasts

      Luckily, phones often come with some way to recharge them.

    6. Re:Not wristwatches by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      The only thing that proves is that Apple made a dumb decision not putting more storage in the iPhone. There's no technical reason not to do so, after all.

      The necessity to carry around more than one device in this day and age annoys me no end. For me it's the camera that's the problem - there's no reason not to build a decent one into smart phones, but companies so rarely do.

    7. Re:Not wristwatches by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      I think you're making the same mistake a lot of other people in this thread are. It's not about you, personally. It quite possibly might not even apply to your entire generation. You need a watch, and that's fine. But the vast majority of late teen early twenty people have decided they don't.

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    8. Re:Not wristwatches by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Sure, in a survival situation having the wristwatch allows you to tell time for a longer period of time but then again, do you really need to tell time in a survival situation.

      In a survival situation, an analogue wristwatch can be used in conjunction with the sun as an emergency compass:
      http://lifehacker.com/289805/use-your-wristwatch-as-a-compass

    9. Re:Not wristwatches by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      More generally, I thought the lesson the original iPod taught us was that specialized devices tend to do a much better job than multi-function devices

      Posted from your SlashTop, I imagine?

    10. Re:Not wristwatches by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, mostly.

      I used to wear a watch all the time, to the point where I felt naked if I wasn't wearing it. Then I started to have RSI issues with my wrists. I'd take the watch off when I was at my desk. Then the watchband broke. I bought a new one (& that took too long) and it broke.

      So I tried just using my phone (which I carry everwhere with me for work anyways). And I got used to it.
      There's usually a clock around me I can use and when there isn't, I can use the phone. I'm not missing the watch enough in *my* life that I want it back. I suspect more & more of the population will feel the same way and watches will become less ubiquitous on people's wrists.

      Of course the clock has gone from being a special item to being put into everything. The VCR, the coffee maker, the radio, car, tv set top box, thermometer, microwave, iPod, cameras, etc all have clocks.

      On a similar note, I used to use my Palm PDA, but not I use my Blackberry for everything it used to do.

    11. Re:Not wristwatches by winwar · · Score: 1

      Or you could actually have a compass in an emergency kit. You know, the emergency kit that you should have in every vehicle you own, where you live, work, etc. I mean, you have already done that right?

      Oh, right, sorry, you were just trying to rationalize why everyone should wear a cheap digital watch for no apparent reason. Other than to make you feel better.

    12. Re:Not wristwatches by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Oh, right, sorry, you were just trying to rationalize why everyone should wear a cheap digital watch for no apparent reason. Other than to make you feel better.

      I said nothing of the sort. I just thought this was a mildly informative aside which might be of interest to /.ers, who often like to collect such odd bits of generally useless info. I'm totally indifferent as to whether other people wear a wristwatch or not. Maybe you got me confused with one of the other posters?
       

  6. No P&S camera by Gruff1002 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have yet to see a phone that can take anywhere near as good a picture as some of the most basic point and shoot cameras.

    1. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats because phones while having great resolution all have rubbish lenses.
      You simply cant fit a good camera lens into something 10-20mm thick.
      Even those lenses are a sales gimmick.

    2. Re:No P&S camera by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 0

      My 20mm thick Canon Elph would disagree with you....

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    3. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      you've never been to Japan...

    4. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's next to impossible. Phones need to be very small, lightweight and damage-resistant, the electronics need to be exceedingly low-power and the electronics for the camera and the electronics for the radio transceiver can't conflict.

      That last requirement means is you use digital devices that produce analogue signals, the resolution on the ADC has to be so crappy that the RFI from the radio doesn't screw up the picture AND the voltage changes when a call is picked up or an alarm goes off or what have you can't throw the ADC.

      The low-power means no fancy, power-hungry logic, the software zoom and other floating-point logic won't be terribly high precision, and the image compression algorithm will need to be light on the quality.

      The size and damage-resistance impacts what sort of lens you can use, how rigid the structure has to be, how much the user can just seriously screw up the device before the image quality drops. Even for a disposable standalone camera, it's practical to put in some quite acceptable optics.

      Even when such devices are of a size comparable to that OF the phone, you've got to remember that the camera is sans radio (or radios, for phones that have bluetooth and/or wifi and/or AM/FM tuners as well as the standard phone radio), sans keyboard, sans quite a bit of space-hungry stuff that phones either need or have as "features".

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    5. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, there's that, but also bear in mind that cameras can afford to put a bit more power into the electronics, so that JPEG compression can be of higher quality.

      Doubling the number of pixels on the CCD but more than halving the amount of retrievable data stored will give you a net loss of quality. High-res CCDs are relatively cheap and since the phones don't advertise the resolution of the image as stored, it's a great marketing ploy.

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    6. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Nokia N95 with a 5mp camera and Zeiss optics. It take pretty nice pics, especially since the phone is a few years old.

    7. Re:No P&S camera by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      Camera phones won't be as good as point and shoot phones until they start implementing multi stage lenses like every other camera does. But doing that increases complexity, increases failure points from dropping and hurts battery life.

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    8. Re:No P&S camera by Kumiorava · · Score: 1

      While that is true, most of people start to be satisfied with the quality mobile phones are offering. Few years back regular point and shoot digital cameras didn't have that great picture quality but convenience of "unlimited" film and instant ability to view the result were enough to get people switch from film cameras. I could argue that current level of image quality combined with the fact that the camera is always with me is enough for me to not carry regular point and shoot camera at all.

      I do have a DSLR with proper lenses that I keep up to date and take pictures with regularly, but for normal situation photos mobile phone is enough. Of course I would like my mobile phone to take same quality of images as my DSLR but I don't see that happening ever. Bottom line is that mobile phone camera has made point and shoot camera obsolete for my purposes and I believe I'm not in minority on this.

    9. Re:No P&S camera by citizenr · · Score: 2, Informative

      SE K800i 3Mpix, SE K850i 5Mpix, Sony sensor. Better than N95. Better than most old 2-3Mpix cameras.

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    10. Re:No P&S camera by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "I have yet to see a phone that can take anywhere near as good a picture as some of the most basic point and shoot cameras."

      Sure, today. You could have said the same of digital cameras 15 yrs ago, yet today kodak has discontinued production of their once popular kodachrome film "because of declining customer demand in an increasingly digital age."

      Digital cameras are becoming slimmer and smaller, it's only a matter of time before the same camera you buy today will fit entirely into the cellphone you buy 5 years from now. Just look how far cellphones have come in just ten years, from being bulky with b&w screens and a 1 day battery life to giant 4" LCDs and far thinner than a deck of cards.

      I do think they missed a few things in the article.

      For one, mp3 players won't be replaced. The ability to carry a small, cheap mp3 player with a 20+ battery life around is like the argument of the wrist watch being replaced, it's nice to have a practically disposable music player with a long battery life.

      Netbooks also aren't going anywhere. The ability to run the same software on your (almost) pocketable netbook as you do on your desktop is an infinitely useful ability. So far no smartphone as even come close, even the amazing iPhone doesn't have Firefox, IE, Chrome or Opera browsers. Only way the Netbook would vanish is if you could emulate Windows XP on your smartphone.

      However I'm surprised they didn't mention video cameras. The new nano takes fantastic video and it's only a $150 device, I'm sure the new iPhone will follow suit. Can you imagine the video capabilities in phones 5-10 yrs from now? While I'm sure there will still be camcorders for sale I doubt many people will continue to spend hundreds on a separate camcorder when the cellphone does 99% of what's needed and the price is subsidized by the carriers. Of course there will always be professional videographers who will be needed for weddings, but the average family vacation will be filmed on your 2020 smartphone.

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    11. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you haven't bought a new phone in a long time, even my oldest nokia takes great photos, my current blackberry takes excellent photos, let me guess if it doesn't have eleventy billion megapixels you don't consider it a good picture, get a life.

    12. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I'm not logged in so I posted AC but...

      "That last requirement means is you use digital devices that produce analogue signals, the resolution on the ADC has to be so crappy that the RFI from the radio doesn't screw up the picture AND the voltage changes when a call is picked up or an alarm goes off or what have you can't throw the ADC."

      Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? You lost me at "digital devices that produce analog signals".

    13. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 1

      Even DACs are digital devices that produce analog signals, but ANY device based on the photoelectronic effect at a fixed frequency is a digital device (it's either on or off). The analog signal generated is dependent on how many photons are collected in a given interval of time.

      God, has Slashdot descended to such depths in only a few decades that people haven't looked up the alternatives to CCDs?

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    14. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my 5MP cam on my phone is plenty of res for me at least for general use, and the convenience of being able to upload/email/save to my computer all in one step is fantastic.

      for anything where i'd need higher res, i'd get an SLR, not a point and shoot.

    15. Re:No P&S camera by KibibyteBrain · · Score: 1

      Even compact point and shoot cameras haven't made their big brothers obsolete. Try one of the most expensive smaller point and shoots in the store and then compare it to a full size one at a midrange pricepoint, and see the difference. Photography is quite physically limited. It's all a game of capturing just the right amount of light in a short amount of time without distorting the light in the process. A large chunk of high quality glass is the easiest way to do this. Most people do not want a large chunk of high quality glass on their cellular phone, and even if they were cool with it I doubt it would stay high quality for long being handled that much.

    16. Re:No P&S camera by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      I knew there was a reason why I didn't work as hard as I was supposed to in my Electromagnetics class - somehow I knew that fixed frequencies are strictly digital so no analog effects will interfere with them.

    17. Re:No P&S camera by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Given how sucky cellphone cameras are, why do manufacturers continue to bother putting them in? Who is driving this? Are the manufacturers doing this for their benefit? At the behest of the carriers? Because consumers actually (gasp) WANT a crappy camera in their cellphone and dont care that its crap?

    18. Re:No P&S camera by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see a phone that can take anywhere near as good a picture as some of the most basic point and shoot cameras.

      A noisy 640 x 480 picture is worth a lot more than a picture that never existed because somebody didn't have their P&S camera with them.

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    19. Re:No P&S camera by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The laws of physics as applied to light and optics mean that no matter what you do, you wont get quality as good as even the entry level P&S camera (with a proper lens) from a cellphone.

    20. Re:No P&S camera by skjolber · · Score: 1

      Wait for it? =)

    21. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as if flashes on phones are even adequate.

      75% of the time I wanted to use a camera phone for a pic, its in a bar or at least at night in a darker place.

      They will never find the bodies anyway.

       

    22. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 1

      Now THAT is a valid argument. If the phone camera does everything you want and need for your general use, then it doesn't matter if a PAS camera is better in any technical sense. I'm still not convinced you really get 5MP, even if the box says you do, but if it gives the results you want then who really cares?

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    23. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 1

      If all you measure is the impact of a photon of a very specific energy, the event happens or it doesn't. There's not a whole lot of alternative states.

      And, no, there aren't going to be a whole lot of analog effects that interfere with the light-sensitive component. You can't have half an electron jump (it's quantized) and you can't have a fraction of a count (it increments by one or it doesn't). Photon counters are remarkably reliable and very accurate. They're also horribly slow (you accumulate state over a long time) which makes them brilliant for astronomy but useless for even still pictures if the scene has any moving component.

      Analog effects WILL affect the analog component, but as I clearly differentiate, you're being an idiot if you confuse the two.

      Hard radiation can always mangle solid-state circuits, sure, but I wasn't really considering those to be a typical scenario.

      Thermal problems really won't affect a photon counter, as that just alters the movement of atoms. If the camera is exposed to enough heat that the electrons migrate, and it's a point-and-shoot (which basically means plastic lens and cardboard or plastic case), the camera is going to have more problems than a spurious value.

      (Remember, we are talking point-and-shoot vs camera phone here, not the Hubble Telescope.)

      Reference voltages won't affect the count, because you don't use any. Reference voltages will affect the analog circuits, though, but again those are considered separately.

      Quantum effects shouldn't be a problem, since you are not measuring anything (you are only counting) and a pixel isn't on the same order of magnitude as the wavelength.

      Remind me, is there anything I'm missing on the list?

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    24. Re:No P&S camera by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

      I thought the reason phone-cameras were so poor was because of the minuscule aperture and lens they generally use which severely restricts the amount of light they can capture, leading to lots of noise, and fuzziness from long exposure requirements.

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    25. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 1

      Heh. First, I'm increasingly skeptical of New Scientist. It went downhill after scrapping the Arianne column. Second, computers can't generate accurate information that isn't there, although they CAN synthesize data values that would be valid based on known information.

      Using sound as an example, since you know the general shape of a sine wave, it is perfectly valid to non-linearly interpolate a digital recording to produce an analog waveform that would have produced an identical digital recording. What you cannot do is know if this was the actual original waveform.

      If you're really clever, you may even be able to spot relationships between different components of the digital recording. For example, you know that any waveform can be split into simpler waveforms (fourier analysis) and you know that some component waves should relate to specific other component waves (many natural sounds will have harmonics, there may be echoes, and so on). This might allow you to identify some reconstructions as more probable than others. There may be other characteristics and meta-information you can use to refine the process further.

      Now, I'll grant the possibility of some very, very good reconstructions from a good image. I'll even grant that a sophisticated enough camera may be able to capture meta-data that could be used to produce a brilliant reconstruction.

      What I can't possibly accept, though, is a good reconstruction from a lossy capture at low dynamic range and low resolution and an even lossier image compression into JPEG or other lossy image format. Passable, perhaps, but not good.

      Now, if someone could build a camera for a phone that could store images in OpenEXR, -and- have the sensor good enough that using an HDR format made sense, -and- have enough memory on the phone that you could store an image of a few megapixels res, THEN I could accept just about any reconstruction claim the inventor cared to make for the images. Mind you, why would you need to reconstruct anything if the camera is doing all that already?!

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    26. Re:No P&S camera by wisty · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I usually set my camera to about 3 MP. Any less, and it craps itself in low light conditions.

      Unless you want to print out high-quality photos, current camera (and phone) resolutions are like using the CERN LHC to microwave an egg.

      Quality (of the lenses, the accuracy of the pixel cells, low light / high speed behavior, and so on) is still crap on regular cameras. It's worthless on phones.

      And when we finally have high-quality cameras that can be shrunk onto phones, everyone will want video, and phones will still be crap.

      There's still a long way for cameras to develop.

    27. Re:No P&S camera by houghi · · Score: 1

      Give me the most expensive camera and give Annie Leibovitz a phone with a camera and lets see who comes back with the best pictures.

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    28. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I don't believe your arguments hold water.

      For a start, phones don't need to be "very small, lightweight and damage-resistant". Some people might demand this from their phones, but it's not a given. Smart phones these days are getting pretty large - look at the iPhone, or more recent devices like the HTC Touch HD2. These devices need to be big, to fit a screen large enough for web browsing. A big glass screen also guarantees that your phone can't be particularly damage resistant, so you just have to take a bit more care of it.

      The electronics don't need to be any more low-power than those in compact cameras, where batteries last tolerably well. Smart phones have 1GHz processors in them these days, so there's no lack of processing power available for image processing.

      I'll admit that the RFI problem might be a genuine issue, although I've never heard of any problem caused by cards like the Eye-Fi. If this is a problem, however, it's not rocket science to turn off the radio circuitry while a picture is taken and reactivate it afterwards. Heck, many phones even include exactly this ability as an "airplane mode"

      What's more, the camera and the cell phone are a perfect fit. Both have a large LCD screen, a battery, a processor and a storage device. Putting the two devices together is cutting out a whole load of redundancy, both in terms of weight and cost. The resulting device might not be quite as sleek as current smart phones, due to the extra width necessary to fit a decent lens assembly, and admittedly this is a shame. But no doubt manufacturers would produce different models, some sleek ones with crappy cameras (or no camera at all) for people with your needs, and some slightly bulkier but with decent cameras for people like me.

      Obviously a cell phone camera will never replace a good SLR, for those who need to take "proper" photographs. But there's no reason that it can't take good pictures, and thereby completely obviate the need for a separate compact camera. I only hope manufacturers hurry up and implement decent cameras in cell phones, because it's long overdue.

    29. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      MP3 players may be small and cheap, but you can't get much better than zero size (because it's built into your phone) and almost zero cost (because it uses the electronics that are already in your phone). As for the battery life, it's only a matter of time before this is improved, just as it is with camera quality.

      As for netbooks, in a very short time, our cell phones will be capable of running exactly the same software as our desktops. They're already shipping with 1GHz processors, and with Android the software side of things is nearly there.

      As for video, I doubt it will be 2020 before the average family vacation is filmed on a cell phone. Heck, some people already take video clips on their phone despite the quality issues, just because of the convenience. The latest breed of smart phones can already take HD video, and although the quality isn't up to camcorder standard, it's getting there. I'd be surprised (and quite annoyed!) if smart phones weren't up to low-end camcorder quality in a year or two.

    30. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Some of us actually want a camera in our cell phone. Good ones aren't as sucky as you think, and even the lower end ones are better than nothing when your phone is the only camera you have with you.

      The camera and the cell phone are a perfect fit. Both have a large LCD screen, a battery, a processor and a storage device. Putting the two devices together is cutting out a whole load of redundancy, both in terms of weight and cost. I hope manufacturers hurry up and improve cell phone camera quality, because I feel a bit of a fool carrying around two devices that are almost identical.

    31. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      One million points of light/One billion dollar vision thing

      A billion dollars for a one megapixel sensor? That sounds a touch overpriced to me.

    32. Re:No P&S camera by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That last requirement means is you use digital devices that produce analogue signals, the resolution on the ADC has to be so crappy that the RFI from the radio doesn't screw up the picture AND the voltage changes when a call is picked up or an alarm goes off or what have you can't throw the ADC.

      They've gotten extremely good at "shut-off" circuits lately, which is why both the latest Core i7s, AMD 5xxx series and so on draw much, much less power. There's no reason why this can't be applied to phones, if the camera is off it's near dead plastic. And it's on, you don't let the alarm ring in the exact same moment via software.

      The low-power means no fancy, power-hungry logic, the software zoom and other floating-point logic won't be terribly high precision, and the image compression algorithm will need to be light on the quality.

      It's fixed function and fixed function is really cheap compared to say running cell phone games, which people do lots of on iPhones and whatever.

      The size and damage-resistance impacts what sort of lens you can use, how rigid the structure has to be, how much the user can just seriously screw up the device before the image quality drops. Even for a disposable standalone camera, it's practical to put in some quite acceptable optics.

      Yes, which is why modern camera phones protect the lens when it's not in use etc. The whole statement, except the optics, is like the naysayers of 10-20 years ago saying we can't turn the bricks into 100g cell phones. Yes, we can.

      Even when such devices are of a size comparable to that OF the phone, you've got to remember that the camera is sans radio (or radios, for phones that have bluetooth and/or wifi and/or AM/FM tuners as well as the standard phone radio), sans keyboard, sans quite a bit of space-hungry stuff that phones either need or have as "features".

      Yes, but they have a processor, storage, lcd screen.. lots of things that are shared as well.

      Of course if you're always comparing the latest P&S to the latest camera phones, the P&S will always win. But I have some early digicams lying around, I dare you to compare them to the latest camera phones because they'll lose by far. And those cameras were also usable and popular. So the question is if you really want to see grandaunt Selma's nose hair, or if you'd just like to take a decent picture to remind everyone of a family gathering. I'd say camera phones are just fine P&S for the reasons people carry P&S cameras in the first place and not huge DSLRs. And that they are still getting better and better.

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    33. Re:No P&S camera by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, there are situations where you don't really care of the quality of the picture. Think for example of a car accident, where you might want to make a photo of the situation. You don't care much about the quality; you only care that the important details are there. In such a situation, it's quite likely you don't have a separate camera with you; however there's a good chance you've got your phone with you.

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    34. Re:No P&S camera by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      While that's true, the vast majority of people simply don't care..
      They will take their large but very grainy picture and upload it to places like facebook, which will shrink it down so much the original quality doesn't really matter anymore.

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    35. Re:No P&S camera by jimicus · · Score: 1

      High-res CCDs are relatively cheap and since the phones don't advertise the resolution of the image as stored, it's a great marketing ploy.

      High res CCDs are cheap but the image quality you get out of a camera is strongly influenced by the physical size of the CCD versus its resolution. Put simply, a 5MP CCD that's 10mm on the diagonal will show less noise than an 8MP CCD of the same size. The difference is even more pronounced when you're looking at the miniscule CCDs that go into mobile phones.

    36. Re:No P&S camera by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I can agree that a cellphone camera can be usefull in the rare cases where you want to take a photo and dont have a regular camera. But even the best cellphone cameras (and I have seen/used some of the top quality ones myself) cant match my entry-level-ish Canon P&S with optical zoom (if you increase the number of pixels on the sensor without making the sensor or lens bigger, you end up with less photons hitting each pixel which reduces the image quality)

    37. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Yup, I'm well aware of that. My point is that there's no technical reason for cell phone cameras to be so bad - especially in modern smart phones which are pretty big anyway, and thus have plenty of room for a decent lens.

      If I want quality, I'll use my SLR. If I want convenience, I expect my cell phone camera to be up to the job. I certainly don't want to carry around two separate bundles of electronics that do exactly the same job.

    38. Re:No P&S camera by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Canon (and others) do an amazing job, but all of those ultra compacts are still awful in low-light. You have to forever use the flash.

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    39. Re:No P&S camera by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "MP3 players may be small and cheap, but you can't get much better than zero size (because it's built into your phone) and almost zero cost (because it uses the electronics that are already in your phone). As for the battery life, it's only a matter of time before this is improved, just as it is with camera quality."

      maybe the mp3 player you put in your car or listen to during your subway commute, that mp3 player was replaced the day the iPhone came out, but the mp3 player you use at the gym and sweat all over will not be replaced, unless they figure out a way to put a 4"+ LCD on a iPod Nano.

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    40. Re:No P&S camera by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see a phone that can take anywhere near as good a picture as some of the most basic point and shoot cameras.

      I have yet to see a P&S phone or DSLR that you left at home take as good a picture as the phone you have with you.

      I always have my phone with me so I always have a camera with me. If I want to take a serious photo, I'll bring the SLR. Or a party I'll bring the P&S. When I forget, at least I have the phone camera.

    41. Re:No P&S camera by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      Nokia N82. 5 megapixel camera with Xenon flash, which means it takes excellent pictures in low light conditions.In addition to that, autofocus, lightmeter, white balance, ISO settings..all can be customized. (Sadly, it's the first and last Nokia to feature a Xenon flash, even the upcoming uber-device N900 only has dual LED flash). It also has geotagging via GPS.
      Here's an example photo, and a few more.

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    42. Re:No P&S camera by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The last. For many people, the convenience of an adequate quality camera always available is extremely valuable.

      People have limited carrying capacity. They realise that they can get mobile telephony, a personal organiser, access to their music collection and the ability to capture photographs in a single device, and are happy to compromise on one or more of those capabilities if it avoids them having to carry a second device.

      Many people are happy with the quality of their phone camera. Many more are unhappy with it, but not unhappy enough to carry a second device around to take photographs.

      The poor quality photo taken with your phone is immeasurably superior to the photo you didn't take because your camera was at home.

    43. Re:No P&S camera by muridae · · Score: 1

      Think of what the point-and-shoot cameras will be doing in 15 years!

      It is the same as film cameras. The cell phone is the disposable camera of the day. Low quality plastic lenses and, worse than with film, a horrible focal length. Point and shoot cameras are the same as before, some middle quality glass in a small, lightweight form. Some even have rather nice glass in them, good optical zoom, high pixel count. Then the DSLRs, bigger sensors and a larger focal length for a normal lens. For every person out there using a disposable film camera, there was a person who didn't quite like that quality and wanted something better. For their kid's soccer game, or birthday party, or just snapping pictures of their pets, didn't matter. Still won't. The cell phone might make a dent in that market, but until they add some features it won't make them obsolete.

      MP3 players, well I am not far away from a computer during the work day, so 20 hours of battery life is over kill. Just enough battery time to get to my desk, and away from my desk is fine, so my phone works for me. Netbooks, I agree with you about, are a completely different market than cellphones. To some people, a netbook is just enough to check their email and favorite website, which a cellphone can do just fine. But to others they are much more powerful systems in a small package. Having seen Max/MSP on a netbook, I can understand the use for them. I would not want to write and test C or Haskell on a smartphone, but a netbook would be fine.

      If this article had just said "Things that cellphones could replace for some people" or "Markets that cellphones will take a chunk out of" it would be completely different. But none of these are going away just because of cellphones.

    44. Re:No P&S camera by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Good point - since I rarely move from my basement where I sit munching on Cheetos and smearing grease over the screen of my smart phone, I hadn't considered that particular use for an MP3 player.

    45. Re:No P&S camera by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you're presenting conflict between the radio receiver and camera as insurmountable.

      Most people would notice if their radio reception went to crap for the fraction of a second it takes to record the light. Most people aren't actually talking on the phone when taking a picture. (In fact, many phones can't even do that.)

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    46. Re:No P&S camera by badzilla · · Score: 1

      The 5 megapixel camera in my Nokia takes great photos. It's always right there in my pocket so I never miss a shot - what were they thinking when they forgot to implement that feature on my SLR!

      Compared to an SLR or even compact camera the technical quality of the image isn't all that but they still look fine on Facebook - and I'm guessing that's what counts most for Joe Snapper these days.

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    47. Re:No P&S camera by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for good pictures, either you need a cell phone thicker than people want, or you need some sort mechanically moving lens that flips in places or extrudes from the camera and thus can break. (OTOH, they have those flip keyboard phones, and they seem to work.)

      They're trying to solve the problem in software right now, but there's only so much software correction you can do to an image.

      I keep waiting for them to line the camera up endwise on the phone.

      Also, good cameras need a flash. Poor cameras really need a flash. Flashes suck batteries.

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    48. Re:No P&S camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...it has already been done: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_sch_w880_amoled_12m-review-398.php
      Sounds like a decent or average point and shoot, with quite a capable phone.

    49. Re:No P&S camera by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      For many of us, its a choice between a crappy camera and none. If I were PLANNING to take pictures, I'd want a real camera. But, more likely, I'll happen to see something I want to shoot, and I don't routinely carry a camera around. I do routinely carry a phone with something resembling a camera.

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    50. Re:No P&S camera by jd · · Score: 1

      Pinhole cameras work great. Admittedly, they don't use cheap plastic lenses in those, but since I dissed the cheap plastic lenses elsewhere, I've got that covered.

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  7. !begsthequestion by Itninja · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maybe it's the Aspergers that makes me obsess about things being technically correct, but begging a question if very different from raising a question. Just saying.

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    1. Re:!begsthequestion by syntap · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That is one of my biggest peeves as well. I cringe when I read or hear it.

    2. Re:!begsthequestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is a losing battle; get over it already.

    3. Re:!begsthequestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > begging a question if very different from raising a question

      We all have our little pet peeves. For instance, it is clearly lunacy to talk about "meteoric rise", since meteors do not rise, they fall dammit! Or "quantum leap", which is truly an advance of microscopic proportions! Or "two times more" (= 3x) used when "two times as much" (= 2x) is meant! But gots to move with the times, buddy. Gots to move with the times.

    4. Re:!begsthequestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not Aspergers, that's just pedantry.

    5. Re:!begsthequestion by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      if i may indulge myself in a rare moment of pedantry myself, you are right in that, its not Aspergers, however to be more precise his aggravation comes from adherence to linguistic prescription.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescriptivism

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    6. Re:!begsthequestion by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      "That's what she said." But I still beg.

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    7. Re:!begsthequestion by Hatta · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with prescriptive linguistics when it comes to technical terms. Or are you going to argue that because you understand what is meant when someone refers to their computer as their hard drive, or their monitor as their computer that they used the terms correctly?

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    8. Re:!begsthequestion by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Someone here on Slashdot recently offered a resolution to this issue: begging the question (intransitive) refers to a claimed proof which assumes that which it is proving, while begging the question of ... (transitive) refers to something which prompts a question. I must obsess as well since this resolution puts me somewhat at ease, keeping the meanints distinct and clear from context based on grammatical use.

    9. Re:!begsthequestion by bperkins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The meaning of the phrase has changed.

      The phrase used to refer to "a logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise."[1]

      Now it means, "I'm trying to sound like I'm well educated, but I'm not."

      [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

    10. Re:!begsthequestion by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, its the Asberger's. Since we're on peeves Asberger's is possessive and gets an apostrophe.

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    11. Re:!begsthequestion by jd · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's the Asperger's in me, but after getting years of verbal grief for being different, I have no problem with neurotypicals begging. Actually, I don't think that is the Asperger's. I think I might just have become more cynical and more anti-social in my old age. (And gerroff the lawn!)

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    12. Re:!begsthequestion by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Maybe it's the Aspergers that makes me obsess"

      Sorry not. I did make you anything.

    13. Re:!begsthequestion by Vertigo+Acid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quantum doesn't mean small, and quantum leap is not meant to imply anything about the magnitude of the change. Rather, it refers to the discontinuous nature of the change

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    14. Re:!begsthequestion by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Is that the same Aspergers that lets you replace 'is' with 'if'?

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    15. Re:!begsthequestion by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. It separates the kids who went to state schools from those who went to good ones. A very valuable distinction.

    16. Re:!begsthequestion by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      In philosophy and rhetoric, "begging the question" is a technical term, as well.

    17. Re:!begsthequestion by ignavus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The meaning of the phrase has changed.

      The phrase used to refer to "a logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise."[1]

      Now it means, "I'm trying to sound like I'm well educated, but I'm not."

      [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

      Fortunately, the educated still refer to it as petitio principii, thus distinguishing themselves from those who use the mutable and imprecise vernacular.

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    18. Re:!begsthequestion by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Yeah, since I'm getting insightful mods I might as well campaign for "funny". The use of "its" for "it's" was a deliberate (and failed) attempt to get even more grammar nazis to weigh in.

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    19. Re:!begsthequestion by Itninja · · Score: 1

      Can you show me any non-wiki dictionary with that definition? Anywhere? To me it's sort of like folks that regularly use the word 'average' when they mean 'median'. I imagine that when enough people decide they are synonymous, it's will simply become a fact; or at least that's how most wikis seem to work.

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    20. Re:!begsthequestion by Itninja · · Score: 1

      There should also be a comma after 'peeves'. Ah, I feel so much better.... ;0)

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    21. Re:!begsthequestion by symbolset · · Score: 1

      You completely missed the deliberate "it's" vs "its" issue, so no points for you. So sad to completely fail as a grammar nazi. Maybe you should adopt a new peeve.

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    22. Re:!begsthequestion by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the educated still refer to it as petitio principii, thus distinguishing themselves from those who use the mutable and imprecise vernacular.

      I like cats!

    23. Re:!begsthequestion by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Okay.

      beg the question

      Take for granted or assume the truth of the very thing being questioned. For example, Shopping now for a dress to wear to the ceremony is really begging the questionshe hasn't been invited yet. This phrase, whose roots are in Aristotle's writings on logic, came into English in the late 1500s. In the 1990s, however, people sometimes used the phrase as a synonym of "ask the question" (as in The article begs the question: "What are we afraid of?").
      The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
      Copyright © 1997. Published by Houghton Mifflin

      From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beg+the+question (at the very bottom).

      Though I continue to be confused about this idiom (in my defense I'm not a native, OTOH I am an English linguist ;) ). The definition at the top of the linked page says beg the question, to assume the truth of the very point raised in a question, while a later definition+example (American Heritage 2005) goes To assume what has still to be proved: “To say that we should help the region's democratic movement begs the question of whether it really is democratic.”. Isn't that an example of the colloquialism, since the point raised in the question is whether or not we should help, while the assumption is that the movement is democratic? The dress shopping example in AH Dictionary of Idioms 1997 seems to make more sense.

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    24. Re:!begsthequestion by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the educated still refer to it as petitio principii

      For someone as educated as yourself, you seem to have a lot of trouble spelling "arrogant" ;-)

    25. Re:!begsthequestion by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      Can you show me any non-wiki dictionary with that definition? Anywhere? To me it's sort of like folks that regularly use the word 'average' when they mean 'median'. I imagine that when enough people decide they are synonymous, it's will simply become a fact; or at least that's how most wikis seem to work.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beg

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    26. Re:!begsthequestion by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You should tell your Aspergers side to feel privileged as you actually get to witness language change real-time.

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    27. Re:!begsthequestion by GravityStar · · Score: 1

      The meaning is changing. Deal with it.

    28. Re:!begsthequestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Shopping now for a dress to wear to the ceremony is counting her chickens before they're hatched: she hasn't been invited yet" makes sense. As an illustration of begging the question the dress shopping example is hopeless: it doesn't fit the intransitive use, which is about circular reasoning, and it doesn't fit the transitive use because no explicit question is mentioned.

      In addition, to describe the transitive use as a synonym of "ask the question" is incorrect. It's much closer to "fails to ask the question which obviously needs to be asked". So overall, the AHDI 1997 is unhelpful.

      The democratic movement example is quite clearly the transitive use. (I wouldn't call it a colloquialism because I think it's actually fairly high-register).

    29. Re:!begsthequestion by Hatta · · Score: 1

      That's exactly the point. We can't let misuse of "begging the question" slide, or it would impair our ability to talk about arguments precisely.

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    30. Re:!begsthequestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me it's sort of like folks that regularly use the word 'average' when they mean 'median'.

      The median is a type of average, so the usage would be correct, although imprecise. I understand it can also lead to confusion, since it is most often associated with the mean.

      The mode is also an average, btw.

    31. Re:!begsthequestion by Itninja · · Score: 1

      I will call 'protest too much' on that one. Feeling the need to inform someone they are missing your clever 'mistake', usually is indicative of a complete absence of wit.

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    32. Re:!begsthequestion by Elky+Elk · · Score: 1

      I think the terminally single still refer to it that way too.

      I kid, I kid.

  8. Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Being able to hear the other person clearly.
    2. Ability to have a safe drive.
    3. Going ten minutes in public without hearing some inane tune over and over.
    4. Ability to recognize crazy people as those talking loudly when nobody else is nearby.
    5. Ability for state agents to commit crimes without bystanders having photograph evidence.

    1. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by owlnation · · Score: 1

      6. The ability to walk in a straight line.

      I'm SO sick of being bumped into every minute of every day in the city center.

    2. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by Tellarin · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      Why can't people just walk straight, not stop or change direction suddenly, and just plain simply look where they're going?

      And I'm not even talking about those absent minded with their cell phones and the like.

    3. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by Convector · · Score: 1

      Actually, #4 is still true.

    4. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by longbot · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth headsets.

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    5. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Not just cellphones, i encounter people walking down the street reading books or playing handheld games that do this too.

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    6. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by Psaakyrn · · Score: 1

      You can have a safe drive? I thought alcohol already made that obsolete years ago.

    7. Re:Five more things mobile p... make obs...e by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      Cell Phones obsoleting hand held game systems like the DS?

      LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! Iphones are no match to Nintendo's hand helds! Whenever one thing tries to topple it, might as well sing "Another one bites the dust"!

  9. One more thing by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Humans, after we all die from cell phone radiation.

    1. Re:One more thing by bmecoli · · Score: 1

      Oh please. You really believe such bullshit? The electromagnetic radiation emitted from a cell phone is around the microwave range, which is non-ionizing. You'd get more radiation to your noggin from ordinary sunlight than a cell phone.

    2. Re:One more thing by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

    3. Re:One more thing by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've bred. I could die of cell phone radiation tomorrow, but the species will continue!

      Yes, yes. You're welcome. Just doing my part.

    4. Re:One more thing by aphelion_rock · · Score: 1

      Yes - in the form of pedestrians Knocked over by an idiot driving a car whilst talking on their mobile phone.

  10. I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    One advantage to my wristwatch is that it's conveniently located on my wrist, unlike a cellphone which lives in a pocket or holster.

    1. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are several wristwatch cellphones available now.

    2. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      And, uh, pocket watches as well.

    3. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      A lot of people have posted this. What the hell do you guys do that you need to look at the time so often? I look at the time maybe once per day, max... at work, I can look at my computer screen (or the one on the projector at meetings), at home I have clocks in every room I need them in...

      The only time I need to look at the clock is walking to the train station after work, and even then I only need to look if I happen to be running late. (I know about how long it takes, so if there's no risk of missing the train, no point in looking at my watch.

    4. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are several wristwatch cellphones available now.

      Yes, but they are really just novelty items. For a cellphone/wristwatch device to really replace a wristwatch, it needs to be as small, and as durable, and have nearly as good battery life as a wristwatch.

      My preferred watch for a long time has been the Casio G-Shock Tough Solar Waveceptor watches. They are incredibly tough, their battery is recharged via solar cells, and their time is automatically synchronized wirelessly every night with the atomic clock in Colorado. I can keep this watch constantly on my wrist at all times, which is rather convenient when you work odd hours and wake up without being sure what time, or even what day, it is.

      Until there is a cell phone/wristwatch that can rival the size, convenience, and toughness of my G-Shock watches, I'm not interested.

    5. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Kumiorava · · Score: 1

      It's not the ability to present time, it's the calculator that they are using most.

    6. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by vxvxvxvx · · Score: 1

      There's a reason the wrist watch is much more common than the pocket watch. It's more convenient. If it was as nice to grab something out of your pocket, whether it be a pocket watch or cell phone, the pocket watch would have never gone away. In fact, the wrist watch would probably have never gained popularity in the first place.

    7. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You never go to meet people for coffee and wonder if you've got time to look in a few shops before they will arrive? You never wonder how long it is until closing time to see if you've got enough time for another round before the bar closes?

      Possibly it's a coincidence, but none of the posts I've read so far from people who don't have watches seem to acknowledge the existence of places other than home or work. I don't need a watch when I'm working - the computer time is there - and I don't need a watch at home because there are clocks in most rooms. Anywhere else, however, a watch is very useful.

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    8. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      You never go to meet people for coffee and wonder if you've got time to look in a few shops before they will arrive? You never wonder how long it is until closing time to see if you've got enough time for another round before the bar closes?

      Not obsessively enough to care whether the time-keeping device is in my pocket or on my wrist.

    9. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Clearly you have a job that doesn't have meetings. Sadly I have a job with a strong social dynamic to it, and being able to buy someone coffee without making them wait for me is often the difference between full cooperation and active sabotage.

    10. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      We have meetings, but we also have Outlook on every computer and outside the meeting rooms. Computers are clocks.

      Maybe you work with a paper-shuffling company and not a computer company, I dunno... I can't imagine a computer company that doesn't have the time displayed on multiple LCDs in every room. (Oh, wait, lemme guess: IBM?)

    11. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I work for a bank, we don't have clocks in all the meeting rooms or in the canteen (a common location for shorter 2 person meetings) and back-to-back meetings are regretably commonplace.

    12. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      First National Bank of Low Tech. Seriously, though, wall clocks are like $8... your company hates you.

    13. Re:I'll Keep My Wristwatch, Thanks by Cederic · · Score: 1

      First bank in the UK to have ATMs, first online-only bank in the UK.. hardly technophobic.

      $8 wall clock, pay for putting it on the wall, pay for replacing batteries, pay for correcting the time at least twice a year (summer time); with over 100 meeting rooms it's suddenly into the tens of thousands.

      Would you spend the money on clocks, or on improving service to our customers and returns to our owners?

      (Ironically we do both. We have clocks in many meeting rooms, but don't keep them as well maintained as perhaps we could)

  11. Watches by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    Yup just replaced my Seiko Helmet which my cat broke the crystal on when it pushed it of my bathroom sink with a nice Bulova Marine Star. It don't make phone calls but sure wears fine.

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  12. A load of BS by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Computers were supposed to get rid of paper and they didn't. Phones won't either.

    Gaming on a phone is awful. Unless that is properly addressed, then the likes of the Nintendo DS won't have to worry and I'm sure Nintendo isn't seeing how many DS units they're selling.

    If I am going to do work during my commute it will be on a laptop or netbook, not a mobile. I suspect a lot of people feel the same way.

    Decent cameras will never go away because a phone will never be able to match the feature set of the camera....even compact ones, imo.

    Watches will always exist, if anything, as a fashion accessory.

    1. Re:A load of BS by Yoozer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Computers were supposed to get rid of paper and they didn't.

      That's because reading a flickering CRT with the Windows 95 Hot Dog Stand color scheme makes you want to claw your eyes out, and people don't have the sense to keep a document on disk until a final version is made. Also, in meetings, staring at a laptop is rather impolite. E-ink advances and will solve these problems; you only have to wait for the generation that is used to paper to retire.

    2. Re:A load of BS by c_sd_m · · Score: 1

      You've got a while to wait: I'm 26 and still like making notes on what I'm reading during a meeting. I also go to the physical library for paper books, wear a real watch, turn my cell phone totally off overnight, use a real alarm clock to wake up to the radio, and refuse to pay a monthly fee for my mp3 player with apps. Oh, and paper books don't break when you fall asleep reading then drop them.

    3. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Decent cameras will never go away because a phone will never be able to match the feature set of the camera....even compact ones, imo."

      And mainframes will never go away because personal computers will never match the processing power of a mainframe. Right.

      Camera phones may never match the features of a dedicated camera, but they may easily become good enough for most people to use in most practical situations. And computers may not have rid us 100% of paper (and c'mon, was that really the prediction?), but they have certainly replaced a significant amount of paper records in many offices.

    4. Re:A load of BS by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the netbook one is a load of rubbish. Netbooks fill a nice gap between small phones and laptops. A phone is too small to do a lot of computer work comfortably, but a netbook is as small as a computer can be made, without having these problems.

      Then there's the fact that phones are horribly locked down, as well as incompatible with PCs. Hopefully at some point in the future we'll be able to buy a phone that basically is a PC, running the same OS and software. But until that happens, I'm glad that netbooks are around.

      TFA claims that phones will "catch up" - well phones aren't going to catch up in size, unless they turn into a netbook (in which case, it's stupid to say it's a phone, and not a netbook). And they show no signs of becoming more open, either.

    5. Re:A load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      "Decent cameras will never go away because a phone will never be able to match the feature set of the camera....even compact ones, imo." And mainframes will never go away because personal computers will never match the processing power of a mainframe. Right.

      Mainframes haven't gone away. There are probably more of them today than ever.

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    6. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the owner of a Droid, my favorite computer, I can tell you that one of the advantages paper has had over my Ubuntu Dell is that my Dell doesn't fit in my pocket.

      It doesn't have the same advantage over my Droid.

    7. Re:A load of BS by hitmark · · Score: 1

      nokia and sonyericsson have both released phones that have extra buttons above the screen to act as action buttons for games when the phone is held sideways.

      not sure how popular they are as gaming platforms tho...

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    8. Re:A load of BS by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      funny how there are different types of humans.

      i loathe hard copy with every fiber of my being. i can type more quickly than i can write by hand, the legibility is never an issue, spell check catches (most) mistakes, no more ink smears, no more broken pens, i can type closer to the speed of my thought-train... or train of thought if you prefer. also electrons are far less harmful to the environment than even recycled paper. aside from the times that vendors shove a receipt in my face, or i get snail mail, i'd venture to say that i create less than 50 pages of paper generated stuff annually. an thats a generous estimate. also you dont typically run out of pages with typed information. also its much faster to send someplace else.

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    9. Re:A load of BS by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      mainframes didnt go away. they're still in use in many environments and are actually becoming popular again in a _slightly_ altered guise: virtualization.

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    10. Re:A load of BS by Nutria · · Score: 1

      TFA claims that phones will "catch up" - well phones aren't going to catch up in size, unless they turn into a netbook (in which case, it's stupid to say it's a phone, and not a netbook). And they show no signs of becoming more open, either.

      I'm hoping that someone will create a Futurama-like forearm netbook.

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    11. Re:A load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Computers were supposed to get rid of paper and they didn't.

      Yet. Anyone with the smallest foresight can see the trend is towards paper-thin, low power electronic displays. It may be 20+ years before they cost marginally more than paper and start to replace the more mundane uses, but it will. And before anyone starts... of course it will never *completely* replace paper - there will always be some uses that are just more convenient. But look at checks - 15 years ago I was writing 8+ paper checks a month. Now I probably write that many a year. Still a game changer.

      Gaming on a phone is awful.

      Don't have an iPhone, do you? I have a lot of friends addicted to iPhone games, and there are even a few I have played more than I would like to admit.

      If I am going to do work during my commute it will be on a laptop or netbook, not a mobile. I suspect a lot of people feel the same way.

      If I am going to do work on my commute I will DEFINITELY use a laptop. The article only mentioned netbooks, which would be insanely painful for programming. Anyone pretending to do "work" on a netbook probably works in marketing and sends emails for a living...

      Decent cameras will never go away because a phone will never be able to match the feature set of the camera....even compact ones, imo.

      Well, the article only mentioned compacts, not "decent" cameras (though compacts are pretty decent these days!) Again, progression of technology... look at phones now, vs phones of 10+ years ago. If you don't think all of the features of a compact camera can't be added to phones in the near future, you should delete your /. account.

      Watches will always exist, if anything, as a fashion accessory.

      Yeah, so will codpieces, it doesn't mean they are still useful.

    12. Re:A load of BS by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      I spend my days in a lab. I can draw chemical structures and rxn's much, much faster by hand then I can enter them on a computer.

      It's all in what you do.

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    13. Re:A load of BS by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Computers were supposed to get rid of paper and they didn't. Phones won't either.

      The only time we use paper in my office is when we're dealing with other (less civilized) companies-- like registering for benefits.

      I mean, some people print out things for their own reference, but it's not required or even desired by the company itself.

      If I am going to do work during my commute it will be on a laptop or netbook, not a mobile. I suspect a lot of people feel the same way.

      Well, until damned Sound Transit fixes the wifi on the Sounder train, using a mobile is the only way to answer my email on my way to work. Not that I wouldn't love to use a laptop, but it's no good without wifi.

    14. Re:A load of BS by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      I don't think you realize how much paper WOULD be needed today had we not created computers. Try to fathom that.

      The gaming one is BS ... we still have game systems even with computers that are pretty much the exact same thing.

      Laptops will likely kill netbooks as battery life improves.... there will be a variety of sizes that's all.

      Clearly obsolete is the wrong word but lots of these things will see reductions.

    15. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well damn, you're right. i stand corrected.

    16. Re:A load of BS by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "use a real alarm clock to wake up to the radio"

      Certainly you are 26. When it became standard for a "real" alarm clock to tune radio? Mine still does "riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing" and nothing more.

      Next generation will talk about a "real wristwatch clock" when almost everybody will use their mobile and the next one will say they knew "the real mobile" when everybody is using the then standard brain communications interface.

      It's hard to grow old.

    17. Re:A load of BS by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      ... people don't have the sense to keep an unimportant document on disk until a final version is made.

      Corrected it for ya. Not trying to nitpick, but occasionally there are some documents that absolutely must be checked thoroughly (e.g. contracts and financial figures).

    18. Re:A load of BS by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Gaming on a phone is awful. Unless that is properly addressed, then the likes of the Nintendo DS won't have to worry and I'm sure Nintendo isn't seeing how many DS units they're selling.

      That's what people used to say about mp3 players. Apple made the iphone because they saw the death of the dedicated player.

      The DS will be the last generation of dedicated handhelds, if Nintendo want to stay in the business they'll either release their own phone, or start releasing games for phones.

      Technology gets smaller and smaller, with each generation there's less and less need for carrying around individual devices. Watches exist due to tradition and nothing else.

    19. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper will survive in the office because there will always be a need to have cheap, retrievable documentation that doesn't depend on astoundingly complicated pieces of machinery that (will) continue to fail in astoundingly complicated ways.

    20. Re:A load of BS by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Don't have an iPhone, do you? I have a lot of friends addicted to iPhone games, and there are even a few I have played more than I would like to admit.

      He may or may not, but I have an iPod Touch, which is effectively the same. Gaming on it is awful for anything more complex than Bejeweled or solitaire. The phone will not replace portable gaming consoles any time soon, and my money is on never, simply because the interface necessary for a good gaming device is not conducive to a good phone.

      Yeah, so will codpieces, it doesn't mean they are still useful.

      Yeah, but watches are still useful, and always will be. My watch is on my wrist. I can look at it, with barely any effort, in a half-second. My phone is in my pocket, and takes more effort to look at (considerably more, if I'm sitting in a position which makes it awkward to get my phone out from my pocket). It's also impossible to discreetly look at your phone for the time. With a watch, it's tricky, but possible. The phone will never replace the watch.

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    21. Re:A load of BS by tepples · · Score: 1

      no more ink smears, no more broken pens

      If electronic devices really promised "no more broken pens", why would Nintendo be selling replacement styli for the DS Lite and DSi?

      also electrons are far less harmful to the environment than even recycled paper.

      Batteries, cold cathode fluorescent backlights, and other computer parts are far from non-toxic.

      aside from the times that vendors shove a receipt in my face, or i get snail mail

      Which brings up an important point: you can't e-mail hardware; you have to snail-mail it.

    22. Re:A load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      The phone will never replace the watch.

      For you, maybe. But you are obviously a dying breed. It's been primarily a fashion accessory for years already, and has already been replaced in the younger generation. Informal survey of ~15 people in the office (and many of these people are NOT under 30):

      number with cellphones in pocket: 13
      number with watches: 3

      Completely eliminate the watch? Of course not. Replace the watch? Yup, done deal.

    23. Re:A load of BS by houghi · · Score: 1

      If I am going to do work during my commute it will be on a laptop or netbook, not a mobile. I suspect a lot of people feel the same way.

      I would love it if all the people who use their Blackberry to email replies would do the same.
      I can wait an hour for those people to get to adesk and send a reply. If I can't, I will phone you. Oh and stop emailing. "Will get back later to that." or "Thanks."

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    24. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly you are 26. When it became standard for a "real" alarm clock to tune radio?

      My 70-odd technophobe maiden aunt has had a radio alarm clock for well over a decade.

      How old are you? Three figures, by the sound of it.

    25. Re:A load of BS by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      Anyone with the smallest foresight can see the trend is towards paper-thin, low power electronic displays. It may be 20+ years before they cost marginally more than paper and start to replace the more mundane uses, but it will.

      Look back over the last few decades. You'll see a pattern again and again: everyone knows that $TECHNOLOGY is going to be the next big thing and is literally just 10 or 20 years away. Then, 10 or 20 years later, it simply hasn't happened, or is still too expensive to be useful. Look at AI, holographic storage, electric cars ...

      Do you seriously think it's ever going to be as cheap to manufacture an electronic display as to stick some wood pulp in a sieve?

      But look at checks - 15 years ago I was writing 8+ paper checks a month. Now I probably write that many a year.

      Yes, things change, it's true. But not everything (receipts are basically the same as they were 15 years ago), and the things that do change tend not to change in the ways we predict.

      The article only mentioned netbooks, which would be insanely painful for programming.

      Not so. Maybe if you insist on using an "IDE" that fills up your entire screen with toolbars and sidebars and crap. With a proper programmer's editor like vim or emacs, netbooks are fine.

    26. Re:A load of BS by mcfedr · · Score: 1

      have you tried the latest iphone games? there are some awesome intuative interfaces and great graphics. my current favourite is 'eliminate pro', fully featured online shooter, load it up, play online, over 2/3g, play quick game on the bus, amazing. what more could you want?

    27. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole idea of tech killing tech is often just wrong. The times when it happens are exceptions. Most of the time, the old technology simply evolves to fit in with the new society.

      In fact, we probably use more stone per capita today than people used back in the stone age. We certainly use more iron per capita than they did in the iron age. Bronze might be one of the exceptions.

    28. Re:A load of BS by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I think Nintendo needs to be seriously worried by the likes of the iPhone and its competitors when it comes to the Nintendo DS series. The DS doesn't have a significantly better user interface and ergonomics compared to many multi-touch smartphones. And the games are much cheaper on smartphones too.

      My DS Lite has been collecting dust for a while now.

    29. Re:A load of BS by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      I'm 28 and i hate making notes on paper because they're too easy to lose and impractical to search...
      I do turn my cellphone off (or to silent) overnight, largely out of a desire to not be disturbed.
      I only ever write or print anything when someone else forces me to.

      And paper books can break (they rip) if you drop them.

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    30. Re:A load of BS by martas · · Score: 1

      actually i don't think that will happen until there's a large-scale move towards digital [text-]books, which can't happen without dirt-cheap e-ink based reading/writing devices. but when all that happens, i am NEVER handling paper again! YEEE-HAW!!!

    31. Re:A load of BS by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "My 70-odd technophobe maiden aunt has had a radio alarm clock for well over a decade."

      Yes, but ask her if hers is a "real" alarm clock.

    32. Re:A load of BS by c_sd_m · · Score: 1

      funny how there are different types of humans.

      I think you nailed the problem with the article right there: they're trying to present characteristics in some people as universal trends. The telephone wouldn't have replaced the telegraph if telegraphs were more convenient, fashionable, accessible, ... We may see smaller markets for the items on the list but we're not all going to suddenly become identical drones with exactly the same wants and needs.

      Too bad you digressed into presenting your habits as the one true way. Even if all your arguments are true, it's still not the right choice in some circumstances. Mp3 players may be more convenient, cute, whatever, but some people keep buying record players.

    33. Re:A load of BS by c_sd_m · · Score: 1

      Certainly you are 26. When it became standard for a "real" alarm clock to tune radio? Mine still does "riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing" and nothing more.

      ...

      It's hard to grow old.

      Guess as old as the texting twihards make me feel, I'm not there yet. I'll be getting off of your lawn now.

    34. Re:A load of BS by maxume · · Score: 1

      It can't be that hard, most people manage to do it without putting any effort into it.

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    35. Re:A load of BS by maxume · · Score: 1

      It probably won't happen real soon, making such a thing all-day comfortable will be a challenge (at least if it is strapped on tight enough to not wobble all over the place), and when it is strapped to one of your forearms, you are limited to one-handed input.

      I'm sure people will start experimenting when flexible e-paper gets cheap though.

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    36. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PC gaming was supposed to kill console gaming, but we have more top tier consoles and more console gamers than ever before. I doubt cell phones will replace dedicated gaming hardware.

      We have a list of ten things cell phones are supposedly replacing. Instead I see a portable phone with an alarm clock that does 8 other things BADLY.

    37. Re:A load of BS by maxume · · Score: 1

      They made the iPhone because they saw the death of the profit margins in dedicated players. In ten years, I'm quite sure that $30 flash based mp3 players will be plenty available, and they will have 50 hour batteries (maybe, they might exchange battery improvements for size) and have more than 50 gigabytes of storage (which is an enormous amount of space for audio, and quite a bit of space for decent video).

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    38. Re:A load of BS by Cederic · · Score: 1

      My phone has already made the netbook obsolete for me. Why buy a limited device with a sub-optimal screen that wont fit in my pocket when I already have a comparable device in my pocket?

      For work and at home I still prefer a proper notebook, and when I work on the train that's what I use, but at other times it's my G1 (soon to replaced by a Nokia n900).

      Similarly, although gaming on a DS is better than on my G1, I have the G1 with me. I don't have the DS with me (and in fact didn't buy one based on how rarely I had the Gameboy with me).

    39. Re:A load of BS by oblivionboy · · Score: 1

      Gaming on a phone is awful. Unless that is properly addressed, then the likes of the Nintendo DS won't have to worry and I'm sure Nintendo isn't seeing how many DS units they're selling.

      You obviously have never owned an iPhone. Games are alot more fun on that than on the DS, graphics are way better (about that of a PSP), and games are a hell of a lot cheaper too. Anyone that says otherwise, just doesn't like mobile gaming, or then hasn't spent any time trying it out. Or then just hates the iPhone so much they're willing to lie about their experience on it, to bash it.

      And btw: Gaming on the Android looks to be great too -- assuming the appropriate hardware is present in the target phone (mostly graphics). Some great games are on their way. Check out a game called RADIANT by Hexage.

    40. Re:A load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have never owned an iPhone.
      I can't speak for the GP, but I own both an iPod Touch and a DS Lite. While the iPod does sport better graphics, it won't be replacing my DS any time soon. iPod games are cheaper, yes - cheaper in every sense, not nearly as polished or intricate. You might get a Krazy Kart Racing, but you certainly aren't going to get a Mario Kart DS. Also, tactile response is pretty much necessary for some games. Touch/tilt is fine for Super Monkey Ball, but no way am I playing Castlevania or Super Mario 64 without at least a tactile d-pad and buttons.

      Anyone that says otherwise, just doesn't like mobile gaming, or then hasn't spent any time trying it out. Or then just hates the iPhone so much they're willing to lie about their experience on it, to bash it.
      Really, some people prefer playing with different toys than the ones you like playing with. Is that so difficult to grasp? I've spent a substantial amount of time with both, I love my iPod Touch, but I honestly prefer the DS for gaming.

      As for Radiant, it looks nice, but I'll stick with Space Invaders Extreme or Geometry Wars: Galaxies, thank you very much.

  13. Things aren't dying off by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Payphones get used by people who can't afford a cell phone. It's easy to come up with $0.50 for a call, but $30-40/month is beyond a lot of people's budgets around here. Plus there are people like me who don't want a cell phone and need to make a call from time to time.

    As long as DSL is "bundled" by the phone company, land lines aren't going anywhere either. Around here (Saskatchewan), long distance "bundles" just aren't available for cell phones, so you need a land line if you make a lot of long distance calls, especially if they're overseas calls. A couple of cell providers have "free" long distance, but charge you for air time instead (often more expensive than the per-minute long distance charges.)

    The only thing I see cell phones managing to eliminate are the hand-held gaming units, but even that will only happen if they start getting some real games on cell phones. All I ever seem to see on them are "retro" arcade games and adventure games.

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    1. Re:Things aren't dying off by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      I don't think there even is such a thing as long-distance over cell phones. Maybe if you're calling Africa or something, but anything within the continental US is just your regular minutes..

    2. Re:Things aren't dying off by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>It's easy to come up with $0.50 for a call, but $30-40/month is beyond a lot of people's budgets around here.

      My cellphone only costs 18 cents per minute of use. That's within their budgets.

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    3. Re:Things aren't dying off by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      Notice how Saskatchewan is not in the continental US.

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    4. Re:Things aren't dying off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem:

      Around here (Saskatchewan)

    5. Re:Things aren't dying off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cellphone only costs 18 cents per minute of use. That's within their budgets.

      1. Your mobile is probably on a plan (if not, you're one lucky bastard for getting 18c/min on prepaid). They might be able to afford it, but only assuming they've already budgeted for a sufficient volume of calls (they may not make that many calls).
      2. Your local pricing plans are NOT UNIVERSAL. I know that slashdot is explicitly and unapologetically US-based, but that doesn't apply to making assumptions about where other people live.
      3. Your budget is NOT UNIVERSAL. Some people have different priorities and different amounts of disposable income. Remember, a huge portion of slashdotters are full-time students, who are well known for being extremely poor.

      Based on your other posts, you don't seem like a complete mental incompetent, so why is it that you cannot grasp the simple concept that WHAT IS TRUE FOR YOU MAY NOT BE TRUE FOR OTHERS (also gleamed from your other posts)? Please, please, please keep this golden rule in your mind before spouting off on your view how the world is and assuming it applies to everyone.

    6. Re:Things aren't dying off by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...It's easy to come up with $0.50 for a call, but $30-40/month is beyond a lot of people's budgets around here....

      Tracfone sells a phone for $14.99 and a $20 airtime card will buy 60 minutes of talk in three months of service.

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    7. Re:Things aren't dying off by Mean+Variance · · Score: 1

      Do a little research on prepaid cellular and MVNOs. You would be surprised how cheap barebones cellular can be. Look at PagePlus cellular. I know geeks who game that with discount prepaid cards to take small use cellular to a few bucks a month.

      I've used T-Mobile prepaid for years averaging about $10 a month.

    8. Re:Things aren't dying off by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Huh? The payphone IS dying off, and is practically on its death bed. The fact is, they cost more to produce and maintain than they're worth, once a critical number of people opt to quit pumping coins into them. So many people DO have cellphones these days, the ones left who still want to use a payphone don't put enough cash into one to justify its existence.

      Additionally, in many big cities, the payphones that remain tend to get used primarily for drug deals and other illegal activities. (People like the anonymous nature of them.) That means, stores and other establishments don't WANT payphones on their premises - because it draws the wrong type of people.

      Really, if you don't want or can't afford a cellphone (even one of those throw-away cells with a pre-paid plan), it's getting to where you can go into most businesses and simply ask if you can borrow the phone, and they're happy to let you use it for free, to make a quick call. In the past, there was always a fear that you'd call some expensive long-distance number if they let you use it ... but that's another issue that's quickly becoming a non-issue. Most VoIP plans give you unlimited long distance to several countries, and a number of monthly minutes of free calls anyplace else in the world. Those not on VoIP still often have dirt cheap LD plans these days, compared to what they used to charge. (I think my work's plan, for example, is about 2 1/2 cents per minute.)

    9. Re:Things aren't dying off by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Payphones are pretty much dead here (UK). You can pick up a cheap pre-pay phone for £5-10. This will cost around 15p/minute for calls. Making calls from a payphone costs around 40p/minute. If you make a total of an hour's worth of calls over the lifetime of the phone, it's been cheaper. Combine that with the fact that drug dealers are using phone boxes as their business premises and you get neighbourhoods wanting to remove phone boxes and the phone company not minding because they are losing money on them.

      Around here a lot of the phone boxes now support web browsing and emailing. Apparently they cost 5p/email (not cheap in absolute terms, but cheap enough that most people can pay it without thinking much about it), no idea how much they cost for browsing; I've never used one, although a few of my friends used to use them to send emails to everyone when they were in town and drunk.

      I've not had a landline for years, but my mobile costs about as much for overseas calls as my landline used to when I last had one. Both are significantly more expensive than VoIP, so when my mobile is within range of a WiFi signal I use that instead.

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  14. Convergence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It really is amazing how many features they keep cramming into these tiny devices. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I am hopeful that in the next couple of years somebody will figure out a way to make reliable phone calls with these things.

    1. Re:Convergence. by Kumiorava · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of "phone only" models out there that will last 2 weeks on one charge and never crash. Just don't buy this kind of multitasking phone if you don't really need one.

      http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-1202/specifications

    2. Re:Convergence. by Nimey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Next you're going to ask for Emacs to get a decent text editor.

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    3. Re:Convergence. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What you want is called the "Jitterbug." A simple, dedicated phone designed for confused old people who are frightened by technology and change, and sit in their homes watching re-runs of the Andy Griffith show.

    4. Re:Convergence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't noticed practically any reliability problems that would have caused by anything else than operator issues during those 15 years or so I've used GSM networks. Even operator network issues are extremely rare and occur maybe couple times per year. I assume you're American; would it be time to demand the operators provide the service customers actually are paying for?

      And yes, "dropping a call" is an operator issue worth mentioning in this context. It happens for me, here in american-view across-the-pond communist periphery maybe once a year.

    5. Re:Convergence. by damaki · · Score: 1

      Phone service providers have absolutely no interest in providing reliable service. Overpriced good enough service, is well... good enough. As every mobile operator sells crap, you only have choice between crappy crap and not so crappy crap but crappy as well. Here is the fucked up market, pick your choice in the cartel.

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    6. Re:Convergence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really is amazing how many features they keep cramming into these tiny devices. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I am hopeful that in the next couple of years somebody will figure out a way to make reliable phone calls with these things.

      Have you tried Skype?

    7. Re:Convergence. by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1

      It really is amazing how many features they keep cramming into these tiny devices. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I am hopeful that in the next couple of years somebody will figure out a way to make reliable phone calls with these things.

      The reason why they have so many features is because the smartphone killed the PDA. I can't believe is that it took phones to get non-geeks to carry around a PDA everywhere they went. Now the PDA, an advanced one like a Palm Pilot I mean, not an "organizer", *that* is a convergence device. A smartphone is simply a PDA with just one more function, and a function that doesn't really fit the device except as a way to get the hoi poli to want to have it around all the time.

      It surprises me that the article didn't mention the mobile phone killing the handheld PDA, that is clearly the biggest casualty of the smartphone; even Palm Inc. doesn't make PDAs anymore, they became the first popular smartphone company, and that's all they make now. The only new PDAs you can purchase now outside of Japan are a few Windows Mobile devices like the iPaq or whatever that are not worth purchasing. ;-)

  15. #11 --Free Thought. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    -Not that we can't benefit from free thinkers. We'll just dramatically reduce the number of them available for all the important things our race needs to accomplish. And, I suppose, zombies need free thinkers to manipulate them, (since they're not much good for anything else), so Free Thought is not entirely redundant. But among cell phone users, it's pretty much a dead issue.

    Oh, and if through your muddled thinking, you believe you are taking offense to this, don't worry. That's just the ego programming kicking in. Don't worry about it. You can't do anything about it anyway, except allow it to direct all of your behavior 24/7.

    It's amazingly easy to manipulate the perpetually ignorant and dazed. Good thing I'm not evil. Too bad your masters are.

    -FL

  16. No phone booths? by mark-t · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's just dandy... where is Clark Kent supposed to change now?

    1. Re:No phone booths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toilet.

    2. Re:No phone booths? by srothroc · · Score: 1

      Well, if you saw Superman Returns, he seems to just rip off his clothes in the middle of the sidewalk. That's the modern world for you.

    3. Re:No phone booths? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1
    4. Re:No phone booths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish supergirl rips off her clothes when running thru a sidewalk as well... http://monsterdonut.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/supergirl_sexy_costume2.jpg

    5. Re:No phone booths? by dcollins · · Score: 1

      "That's just dandy... where is Clark Kent supposed to change now?"

      You realize that gag was actually on film in the Superman I movie over 30 years ago, right?

      --
      We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
    6. Re:No phone booths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you live that still has phone booths? Hell, I haven't seen a pay phone (sans booth) in years.

    7. Re:No phone booths? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      I think Doctor Manhattan solved that problem well.

    8. Re:No phone booths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      time travel is probably much scarier holding onto a cell phone for dear life as well

    9. Re:No phone booths? by wasudeo · · Score: 1

      Well, there's always the Tardis

    10. Re:No phone booths? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in a blue police box

    11. Re:No phone booths? by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, there's an app for that.

  17. Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...which is probably sooner than I'd prefer, but still a couple of decades away at least.

    Wristwatches - I know people who use their phone. My watch is faster, convenient for me. It's a fashion accessory for many (in addition to their fashion phones)

    Bedside alarm clocks - I can see this, but until shows the time without me having to touch it (and without it lighting the whole room with the back light), wakes me up with NPR, and increased the light in my room to simulate a sunrise, I'll stick with my beside box. (Okay, two boxes...it's a SunRizr that does the lights)

    MP3 players - I'm sure all the iPhone guys are saying "hell yes." I've got a WM phone, and while it does great things the iPhone can't, it sucks donkey balls as a music player. The average phone is going to have to get a lot better - and a lot bigger storage (which will happen "soon") - to take over as my portable player. I'll still keep my SwimP# for the pool though...I don't think many phones would thrive in a aquatic environment.

    Landline home phones - Okay, just call me an old fart; I'll probably always have one. The uptime is much better than cell.

    Compact digital cameras - they're going to have to get massively better. I'm talking several orders of magnitude. Maybe before I die. Maybe.

    Netbooks - keyboards and screens that don't require massive scrolling or a magnifying glass. 'Nuff said.

    Handheld games consoles - Hmmmm...not much use for one, so... *shrug*

    Paper - sorry, I still print directions and confirmations. This may change. Someday. But I'm awfully attached to dead trees. Probably has to do with my note taking desires, and the aforementioned need for a magnifying glass or scrolling for all but the simplest of things on a phone.

    Thinking - The 'net has already made that obsolete. Now get off my lawn...

    Man, I need to get back to work.

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    1. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man, I need to get back to work.

      Too late. While you were writing your post, a cellphone took your job.

    2. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Man, I wish. I know you're not supposed to complain about being busy in a down economy, but damn I can't wait until my current push is over and I can get back to my life. I've been waiting for it to end for about 6 months now. I'm lucky to get 2-3 hours in before I sneak off to surf for half an hour and let my brain decompress - I used to be able to hit it hard for 4-5, take a break, and do another 4-5.

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    3. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until cell phones that can survive a 10 story fall onto concrete come around, they can't fully replace a simple notepad.

    4. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Okay, two boxes...it's a SunRizr that does the lights)

      So expensive for what it is. You can buy an X10 firecracker set for $40 or $20 off eBay (yes, from the people whose popup ads appear to encourage voyeurism), and a few broad-spectrum / "daylight" bulbs ($5 to $20 a pop). If you don't have any, add in a lamp or two for maybe $10 a pop. The rest is just code, and it doesn't take much to whip up a C# program, using X10 libraries off the Internet, to turn the lights on and off on a schedule.

    5. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by martas · · Score: 1

      they took you job!!!

      (per south park, if you didn't get that)

    6. Re:Not 'til I'm dead, most likely by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. I don't use a full spectrum lamp - a 100W incandescent is sufficient (blackbody and all that). Yes, they're about $140 for a little piece of electronics. They tell time, have both dawn and dusk curves pre-programmed, and an "alarm" which automatically turns the light off an hour past the "wake" time. Actual cost of components is probably less than $25.

      Remember, the light doesn't "turn on," it brings the light up along the same intensity curve as a sunrise. Certainly programmable. If I knew C# (which I don't), and were willing to fool around with grabbing the X10 command info and libraries off the net (which I'm not), it might take me two hours to code and debug it myself. Actually, since sunrise occurs over a 40 minute period, it would likely take longer, but argue the time in your favor. So assuming I don't have to buy anything else to program the firecracker (I have a serial port on my computer) I'm out $50 including the dimming module, plus two hours of my time. So I can't take it with me on business trips/vacation easily (and expect it to work, since it has to be plugged into a computer that's on 24/7), I can't shift the wake up time by 20-30 minutes when I get into bed a little later than usual, and now I've got three things which can cause it to fail (computer, firecracker, x10 module) instead of one. All of a sudden and extra $90 doesn't sound so expensive.

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  18. Stones and rocks by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Funny

    They also make stones obsolete. I don't long have to throw rocks at a window, I can just throw my phone.

    1. Re:Stones and rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mick and Keith will never be obsolete. I think they're cyborgs.

    2. Re:Stones and rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they've actually thought of this! Mobile phone throwing

    3. Re:Stones and rocks by Briareos · · Score: 1

      You mean like this? :D

      Now they just have to solve the problem with it landing somewhere that you can't get to - I'd rather throw a 0.00 EUR stone that I just found lying on the ground than a damn 500+ EUR phone...

      np: Speedy J - Drill (A Shocking Hobby)

      --

      "I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole

  19. 10 functions in 1 by yobjob · · Score: 1

    Is a brilliant idea. And then you drop it.

  20. Will prices like $50 for 5gb and then $50 per gb p by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will prices like $50 for 5gb and then $50 per gb phones will not take over that fast also the screen need to be a lot bigger for real gameing, some web stuff, and maps

  21. Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dancingmad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You keep hearing about the things that phones are going to replace and, at least for me, it's never been true.

    I like having a Nintendo DS. The iPhone has not provided a game with the depth of most AAA DS titles. It's lack of buttons is a serious problem with gaming.

    The camera isn't as good as any half way decent point and shoot. I haven't gotten a chance to play with any GPS software for any smart phone, but I hear there are limitations (including the need for cell service) that stand alone GPSes don't have.

    Even the music functions of an iPhone aren't as good as a regular iPod or (gasp, because I love Apple gear) a Zune.

    And yeah, you can use it as a watch, but any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off. It's the only acceptable piece of jewelry for the well dressed man.

    Even today's best smart phones are just communications devices with varying degrees of success. Occasionally a smart phone is "good enough" in a pinch; photographers like to say the best camera is the one you have with you, which certainly applies to smart phones. But if I know I want to play games or take pictures, I take my DS or my camera, or whatever. Phones haven't and won't - because each thing needs its own UI and software guidelines, no device is going to be able to do it all well.

    --
    "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
    1. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      but any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off. It's the only acceptable piece of jewelry for the well dressed man.

      Cufflinks?

    2. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Even the music functions of an iPhone aren't as good as a regular iPod

      I own an older ipod, an ipod touch, and an iPhone. Now I know the touch and the iphone are identical from a music point of view. I could not, with them side by side, find a difference in functionality between the old ipods and the iphone.

      I'm gonna call citation needed on that one.

      --
      Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
    3. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      You might be old... no one said it'd replace things in any current generation, just future ones.

      I think gaming systems becoming phones is more likely ... psp could have done it (not nintendo likely).

      Unless you are rich a good phone will match a pretty good camera in quality.... 4megapixel is more than enough for most things.... Unless you are a photographer, that's different though.

      Phones will probably kill mp3players soon. They haven't gotten it quite right but its not a huge leap.

      Guys have shoes and suits still.... and fashion changes.

      How about a big slider on the side of the device to select phone mode, computer mode, song mode, camera mode. That fixes any ui issues there may be...

    4. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by toadlife · · Score: 1

      You don't need cell service for GPS to work on smartphones, and there a several good navigation programs available for both Windows mobile and the iPhone which come with come with built on maps - eliminating the need for a data connection. Standalone navigation is one market that I think phones are definitely going to either eliminate or severly cut into very soon.

      My Touch Pro 2 with a dash mount makes a fantastic navigation tool.

      --
      I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
    5. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      And yeah, you can use it as a watch, but any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off. It's the only acceptable piece of jewelry for the well dressed man.

      What happened to class rings? Or wedding rings?

      --
      "Educate the mind but never at the expense of the soul."~Blessed Basil Moreau
    6. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Paco103 · · Score: 1

      4 megapixel is good enough for most uses, however quality is not just about the MP. I'm by no means a professional photographer, but my shiny new smartphone with a 3MP camera will not even hold a light to my 4+ year old cheap point and shoot digital camera.

      1) Better auto focus
      2) Better lens
      3) Zoom - just having it. Digital zoom doesn't count, that's all stuff that could be done post processing and doesn't help your image at all (BTW, my old camera has that too, on top of a true optical zoom).
      4) Flash - sure, some phones have this now, but LED flash is only a compromise to a true flash (even a cheap P&S flash).
      5) Actually taking a picture when I push the button, rather than after focusing and registering the button click on the phone that already has 10 other things going on at once
      6) Shutter speed. (Faster, slower, whatever you need)

      In fairness to a smartphone, it has other benefits
      1) I've almost always got it with me
      2) Instant sharing via facebook, flickr, picasa, Gallery, whatever else you want.
      3) Geotagging (though there are many camera models that do this now, my 4 year old cheap P&S camera does not)

      As far as replacing the mp3players, the only reason I still use my iPod is primarily due to the battery life. I am glad they're finally starting to build in 3.5mm headphone jacks standard.

    7. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you say is lacking from the iPhone music functions that an iPod or Zune is better for having?

    8. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off.

      Any fashionable man with a /. ID with 6 digits or less. Younger men show off with their cell phones, fashionable or not.

    9. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Even the music functions of an iPhone aren't as good as a regular iPod"

      What on earth? The music functionality is an exact clone of the iPod touch, its literally the same software.

    10. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      I mean in relation to the iPod Classic / nano.

      --
      "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
    11. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      That's my point though (I might be old too but...) anything that tries to do everything isn't going to do anything that well.

      For example, I am a gamer. Yeah, if I wanted to, I could play Peggle or whatever on the iPhone. But I am not going to get the last Mario RPG game on the iPhone and I don't want to play the casual games on the iPhone. Making the iPhone a good game machine would compromise it as a phone or a camera, or whatever. One extra function is going to compromise the others in some way and to some degree (even if it's just space on the device, but probably even more).

      --
      "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
    12. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off.

      Any fashionable man with a /. ID with 6 digits or less. Younger men show off with their cell phones, fashionable or not.

      Excuse me, I have to tie an onion to my belt.

    13. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by tepples · · Score: 1

      You don't need cell service for GPS to work on smartphones

      But you do pretty much need cell service to buy a smartphone in the first place, at least in the United States (home of Slashdot).

    14. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by IronChef · · Score: 1

      I like having a Nintendo DS. The iPhone has not provided a game with the depth of most AAA DS titles.

      Not to mention, who wants to get into bed with the damn TELEPHONE COMPANY to enjoy a game console?

    15. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by toadlife · · Score: 1

      No, you don't. Carriers will sell you smart phones with no service at the un-subsidized price.

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      I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
    16. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by tepples · · Score: 1

      Carriers will sell you smart phones with no service at the un-subsidized price.

      And the phones are still SIM-locked to a provider. If I buy a phone without subsidy, and I pull out the SIM card, all I see is "Insert SIM", not (for example) the iPod Touch half of the iPhone's functionality. Or do newer smartphones work just fine on Wi-Fi after the phone service expires? And I'm still buying a GSM/3G radio that I won't use; compare the price of an iPod Touch to the price of an iPhone in those countries whose law requires phones to be availabe without subsidies.

    17. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I've used an iPod Mini and briefly used a Nano and I can't think of any feature that either of them had that I miss from my Touch; what were you thinking of?

    18. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      There is no need for phones to become portable gaming consoles.. There is a need for occasional time killing games on a cell phone. Anyone who thinks that phones need more must not have a job or a life.

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    19. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by indiechild · · Score: 1

      Professional GPS/car navigation applications on smartphones don't require cell or data service. Maybe you have them mixed up with the original Google Maps application.

      And in what way isn't an iPhone as good as an old iPod when it comes to music? In case you haven't noticed, Apple has positioned the iPhone OS platform as its premier music and multimedia playback system. Apple moved beyond music long ago, and they're about to enter the online magazine/ebook/news/content business.

    20. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UI is different, isn't it?

    21. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by toadlife · · Score: 1

      All of the Blackberries and Windows Mobile (HTC) phones I've owned have worked without the SIM inserted. The Carriers SIM locking phones (even if you buy them at FULL price) sucks, but our legislators (even the "progressive" Democrats) are beholden to big business so we don't have the pro-consumer regulations that other countries do.

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      I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
    22. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by toadlife · · Score: 1

      compare the price of an iPod Touch to the price of an iPhone in those countries whose law requires phones to be availabe without subsidies.

      The subsidies aren't the part that hurts consumers. It's the SIM locking and lack of standardization.

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      I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
    23. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not in a way that removes any features?

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    24. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 megapixels phone camera != 4 megapixel real camera

      I have an N95 5 megapixel and my Canon G2 (quite old) absolutely stomps it into the dirt for picture quality.

      How will you fit a decent lense into a scungie little metro-sexual fashion accessory like an iPhone will still keeping enough room in your manbag for your moisturiser and tampons?

    25. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

    26. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      It may have all the features but the UI is worse and it's harder to get to those features. I just want to play my bloody music.

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      "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
    27. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      No need for you. I tore a ligament in my foot in Japan, had to go to therapy for months. While waiting there one day, downloaded Ace Attorney and Puyo Puyo on my cell phone. Played them waiting everyday I went for months afterwards.

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      "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
    28. Re:Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades by Splintax · · Score: 1

      I stopped using my iPod Classic when I got an iPhone -- I find the touchscreen interface much easier to navigate. No more having to go into the settings menu to change things like shuffle/repeat options, and the artists/albums/songs options are consistently in the same place (using a Classic, you had to navigate to them using the wheel and then click). The click wheel was pretty good, but personally I think the touch screen is a lot better. I'm curious as to why you find it so difficult to use.

  22. Many features that I don't even want. by NoYob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Early camera phones where painfully bad but strong sales proved that there was a demand for them.

    When I got my phone, I bought it because it was the cheapest phone that had the ability to see who's calling without having to answer. It so happens to have come with a camera which I never use because it sucks. Now, are the camera manufacturers counting my sale as someone who wanted a camera? Probably. There's a few other features built into the phone that i looked at and never used because I have no use for them.

    That's the thing, there's only so many choices and it's impossible to get a phone that has a feature you want without getting a bunch of features that you don't want. And if you find one, it may not be supported by your cell carrier.

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    It's NOT me! It's the meds! I'm on 1000mg of Fukitol.
    1. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      My Canon PowerShot can't upload photos to Facebook. When it can, I'll dust it off and start using it again. Until that point, I'm happy enough with my 3.2MP Verizon LG Touch...

    2. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use a camera to take images I want to keep.

      Until phones get better at allowing me to do that, they will continue "collecting dust" in this regard.

      We even have a nice expression for this "Jack of all trades and master of none".

      Before something gets uploaded anywhere, it at least needs to be worth the digital exhibitionism.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    3. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I got my phone, I bought it because it was the cheapest phone that had the ability to see who's calling without having to answer. It so happens to have come with a camera...

      How long ago was that? This summer I bought a Nokia stick for $20. Caller ID / call screening: Yes. Camera: No.

    4. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by Convector · · Score: 1

      My place of employment used to forbid cameras on the premises. They've relaxed that for cell phones because they recognize that it's virtually impossible to get a cell phone without a camera, and they're not about to try banning cell phones.

    5. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of digital exhibitionism done with mobile phone cameras.

    6. Re:Many features that I don't even want. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The anals of photography are littered with crap.

      Having an iphone doesn't keep the watch, the DS, the archos, the handicam or the digicam at home.

      In the best case, the digicam and the handicam can try to displace each other (but not really).

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  23. Wrist Watches are Useful by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Juggling out the cellphone just doesn't have quite the same flair as pausing and then checking your wrist watch for about 5 seconds when the interviewer tells you that 20 hours of overtime a week is "normal" for the position you're interviewing for.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by santax · · Score: 1

      Not only that, a wristwatch will work without an adapter to plug the damn thing in. In my opinion a decent wristwatch is the most beautiful piece of technology in existence. Even better than lasers :) I don't think those will be replaced anytime soon. At least not by people who actually depend on knowing the time.

    2. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by sconeu · · Score: 1

      In my opinion a decent wristwatch is the most beautiful piece of technology in existence. Even better than lasers :)

      Well, duh! You don't need a shark to use a wristwatch.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    3. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I have a Seiko kinetic titanium. Its a good looking piece of mechanical engineering, but it I want to measure time I have a $30 generic digital watch with world time, alarms, timer, etc.

      I don't believe you can have both ideal function and form in the same unit. I know from experience that the digital watch is way more shock proof than me, and the Seiko is not.

    4. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by santax · · Score: 1

      Hmmz, well I have to say that your Seiko is a great watch. Maybe it's just because I can fall in love with a decent analog watch. Something I can't with digital watches. My experiences with digital watches is that the battery goes empty when I need them most. But then again, I never bought a 'good' digital one. I am sure those can be excellent at the task as well. Personally I own a Swiss Admiral Chrome and that one is really sturdy. No stopwatch-function though. But I don't need that, I use a watch to read the time of day. But I understand what you are saying. I guess it comes down to what you are looking for in a watch.

    5. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I never thought about using a laser when the interviewer tells me that 20 hours a week of overtime is "normal" for the position I'm interviewing for. Perhaps I'll give that a shot next time...

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    6. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by jd · · Score: 1

      What you really want is a James Bond wristwatch with 0.5T magnetic field generator whenever you turn the dial. Saves on having to spend 5 seconds looking at the bloody time when the server room explodes and the users' machines go into meltdown.

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    7. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by jd · · Score: 1

      A decent analog watch has superbly-crafted components and therefore deserves the admiration. A decent digital watch needs something marginally better than a 555 timer, but only marginally.

      That's not to say I wouldn't gave respect for a digital watch with the accuracy and drift of a scientific high-precision timer. I'd consider it adequately impressive for a digital watch to have a drift of a few nanoseconds a day.

      (I'm judging analog differently than digital in the resolution, but really about the same in terms of the effort required to produce a system of a given standard because that's the only measure of craftsmanship you can ever really have.)

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    8. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by chelsel · · Score: 1

      "20 hours of overtime a week is "normal" for the position you're interviewing for", to which you reply "great... time and a half is normal for overtime" and smile smugly.

    9. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by dissy · · Score: 1

      What you really want is a James Bond wristwatch with 0.5T magnetic field generator whenever you turn the dial.

      That I think is the first suggestion for a wrist watch that would get me to wear watches again!

    10. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I own a solar powered Casio which uses radio time signals to reset its time according to atomic clocks. If you want to know the time, then digital is right now significantly ahead.

      I like that Casio. I use it to correct the time on my mechanical watch that I wear every day :)

    11. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by jd · · Score: 1

      Weren't casio watches considered evidence of involvement in terrorism in Afghanistan? And yours works off nuclear stuff, too! Definitely dodgy.

      (On the other hand, that is one seriously cool watch. Probably not one I could afford right now, but with sales of anything being so bad this year, you never know.)

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    12. Re:Wrist Watches are Useful by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Not that expensive if you prioritise accurate time over jewellery:
      http://www.amazon.com/Casio-Waveceptor-Atomic-Watch-WVA109HDA-2BV/dp/B0013M6C60/ref=pd_sbs_watch_3

      Admittedly I went for a more expensive model in the range with a far more elegant dial:
      http://www.amazon.co.uk/WAVE-CEPTOR-TITANIUM-SOLAR-100M/dp/B0006FL86Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=watch&qid=1258970541&sr=8-5

      However, the strap is still cheap and tacky and nasty and as jewellery the watch just doesn't cut it.

      Technology inside is nice though, and for jewellery I have the elegant Swiss mechanical watch that gains seconds a day...

  24. Simple List by bongey · · Score: 1

    Top Ten : Phone boxes Wristwatches Bedside alarm MP3 players Landline home phones Compact digital cameras Netbooks Handheld games consoles Paper Thinking- (joke)

  25. Wristwatches are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    [X] Convenient. You don't have to pull them out of your pocket or purse to see what time it is.
    [X] You can get them dirt cheap (under $10) so if they break, get wet washing the dishes, fall in the toilet - no big deal. Try that with your cell phone.
    [X] One for day and one for evening wear - they are a fashion accessory.
    [X] If they get rained on a bit, big deal. Most are water-resistant.
    [X] It's harder to steal a wristwatch than a cellphone
    [X] It's harder to forget your wristwatch on the roof of your car, at home, or at the office than a cellphone
    [X] I might be convinced to buy a CowboyNeal writstwatch as a joke item, but never a CowboyNeal cellphone.

    1. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by joelgrimes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [X] wristwatch battery doesn't go dead every 3 days

    2. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You can get dirt cheap under $10 cellphones too...

      But you are right, a wristwatch is more of a fashion accessory.

      Personally i can't stand wearing a wristwatch, or any kind of jewellery, i hate having things like that clinging to my skin - it's a foreign object stuck to my skin that feels like it needs to be removed.

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    3. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [X] wristwatch makes a better tea timer than a cell phone

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    4. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Jurily · · Score: 2, Funny

      [X] You can get them dirt cheap (under $10) so if they break, get wet washing the dishes, fall in the toilet - no big deal. Try that with your cell phone.

      My Nokia was GBP 10, and I can make phone calls with it. Try that with your wristwatch.

    5. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean like clothes?

    6. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Personally i can't stand wearing a wristwatch, or any kind of jewellery, i hate having things like that clinging to my skin - it's a foreign object stuck to my skin that feels like it needs to be removed."

      so no clothes then..........

      I thought that was illegal over there ....... at the least in public

    7. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I haven't used a watch in almost two decades. Simply put, clocks are ubiquitous. In fact there's several in front of me right now - one on the computer, one on the VCR, and one on the television. When I was a student the time was above every classroom door, and at work, it's typically on a nearby wall or on my PC or on the break room TV. There is almost no time when I am not within sight of a clock which is why the watch I bought 20 years ago still looks new.

      From Asimov's story:
      "Divide twenty-seven by thirteen. Take it to six places."

      Five minutes later Shuman said, "Two point oh seven six nine two three."

      Is it sad that I've forgotten how to do long division? Let's see:

      13|27 == 2.0769
      ..-26
      =====
      100
      -91
      ===
      90
      78
      ==
      12

      Okay I'm bored with that. In 8th grade we used to do pages of this stuff, and now I've practically forgotten it all. That's sad.

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    8. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      I buy cheapie watches because of the dogs. I've dropped my cellphone quite a lot of times while walking them, including a couple of times when I just wanted to know the time, so every time I want to just look at the time, a watch makes it that much less likely that the next fatal drop will happen *now*.

    9. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      On place you don't see a clock anywhere is in a store like Walmart... other than on the registers, but they don't like it when you get up close to the register.

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    10. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      [X] My wristwatch battery never goes dead because it does not have one It is a self winding watch as long as I can move, it will wind and tell accurate time.

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    11. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by TeamSPAM · · Score: 1

      I graduated college with a degree in Electrical Engineering. I have the sad joke, that I have now forgotten more math than most people learn. But the fact is that I don't use the really complex math I learned and have tools that will do the simple math for me.

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    12. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I stopped wearing a watch when my first child was born - too easy to scratch a baby with it. My first cell phone was broken by that same baby though :)

      [X] You can get them dirt cheap (under $10) so if they break, get wet washing the dishes, fall in the toilet - no big deal. Try that with your cell phone.
      [X] One for day and one for evening wear - they are a fashion accessory.

      Are those two points compatible? A $10 watch isn't going to be a fashion accessory (unless you are making the statement that you don't need to spend money to be cool :), and your 'evening wear' watch isn't going to cost $10.

      [X] It's harder to forget your wristwatch on the roof of your car, at home, or at the office than a cellphone

      One thing a watch might be good for is as a cell phone proximity detector device - if your cell phone and your watch get too far apart your watch (or phone) could beep a few times just to remind you that you might be forgetting the phone.

    13. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "My Nokia was GBP 10, and I can make phone calls with it. Try that with your wristwatch."

      Uh!? You missed Q's note about your new phone-wristwatch?

    14. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how exactly do you lower your risk of losing your cellphone in the toilet or to a thief by owning a wristwatch?

    15. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by imhennessy · · Score: 1
      Here's why I still have a watch: I sync it to the clock which matters.

      "A man with one clock always knows what time it is; a man with two is never sure."

      I don't have to worry about which clock is accurate. I know that I only have one clock in my life which is unforgiving. Every other random clock can be either close enough that people running off it will not be inconvenienced by my running off a different clock, or ignored.

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    16. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Or buy a cheap $10 one for day-to-day use, and a nice one for evenings out.

    17. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by mr_walrus · · Score: 1

      in such places i make it a point to absolutely minimize my time therein.
      so i get to see my car dash clock real soon anyway.

      the time is also printed on the cash receipt.

    18. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My wristwatch worked in the nasty hillbilly backwoods of Paktia, Afghanistan. So did my Garmin GPS V. I love my Google G2, but I'd hate to try to call in close air support using Google Voice, getting my position from Google Maps.

      ...though looking now, they have surprisingly good coverage now.... there was basically nothing in 2002.

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    19. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

      In Chinatown you can buy a pretty nice looking watch for $10.

    20. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      how exactly do you lower your risk of losing your cellphone in the toilet or to a thief by owning a wristwatch?

      Don't have to take it out of your pocket to look at it and accidently drop it or put it down and have it stolen?

      I know someone who dropped not one, but TWO cell phones in toilets.

    21. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -[X] Convenient. You don't have to pull them out of your pocket or purse to see what time it is.
      I leave it in my front pocket, and can easily pull it out to see the time whenever I want. It's a cell phone, not that big.

      -[X] You can get them dirt cheap (under $10) so if they break, get wet washing the dishes, fall in the toilet - no big deal. Try that with your cell phone.
      Have you actually broken a cell phone by dropping it in the toilet? May I ask what you were trying to do? It's pretty hard to break a cell phone. With the exception of 15 year old girls who buy a new one every other week, most people can keep their cell phones until they are obsolete.

      -[X] One for day and one for evening wear - they are a fashion accessory.
      If that's your thing, whatever, but that's not a reason they won't be obsolete.

      -[X] If they get rained on a bit, big deal. Most are water-resistant.
      A bit of rain on a cell phone will *not* break it, so unless you're holding it over your head in the pouring rain, you're fine.
      How often to you check your phone while it's raining anyway?

      -[X] It's harder to steal a wristwatch than a cellphone
      Everyone knows where your watch is. Not your phone. Whens the last time someone's phone got stolen, not counting people who left the phone somewhere first?

      -[X] It's harder to forget your wristwatch on the roof of your car, at home, or at the office than a cellphone
      If you're not using your cellphone, drop it in your pocket. There's no reason you should ever put your cell phone anywhere but your pocket, it's not as if it doesn't fit.
      As for forgetting it at home, just like you put on your watch when you wake up, I drop my cell phone into my pocket when I wake up.

      [X] I might be convinced to buy a CowboyNeal writstwatch as a joke item, but never a CowboyNeal cellphone.
      Mhmm.

      Seriously though, the only problem I can see with my argument is people who don't wear clothing with pockets. However, not everyone wears watches right now. If everyone who wears pockets stopped wearing a watch, there wouldn't be very many people wearing watches at all. While I don't think they will become obsolete say next week, they will be eventually.

    22. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by dwillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      [X] Allowed: I work in a secure facility. I must leave my phone in a locker outside the facility. My watch goes everywhere I do.
      [X] Real water resistant, mine goes scuba diving with me and it ain't an expensive dive watch, it's a $40 Timex.
      [X] Battery life in excess of eight years and counting (it's only rated for seven).

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    23. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know someone who dropped not one, but TWO cell phones in toilets.

      My wife has dropped her Motorola Razr2 V9 in the loo twice. That and washing it under the tap did it no harm. The same phone also sat in a puddle of rain overnight and got driven over by a tractor. Needless to say, the front screen is cracked, but the device is still working fine.

      I'd like to see an iPhone stand up to that sort of abuse...

    24. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Enki+X · · Score: 1

      I have six clocks! I'm the time master!

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    25. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny story. My dad's girlfriend had a good Seiko watch. It wasn't the proper dive watch but it had a bezel and was good to 100 metres depth or so. They were diving in (I think) Papua New Guinea and after they came to the surface the watch started to hiss and splutter, then the face flew off at high velocity. Good thing she wasn't looking right at it at the time.

    26. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Ardx · · Score: 1

      Dammit! Icee all over my screen.

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    27. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1

      I've marked many a student at my school late because they don't have watches. "I didn't know what time it was. We're not allowed to have cell phones." "Get a watch, then get off my lawn!" :-)

    28. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... that anyone who knows anything about it will be able to identify as a cheap knock-off, and you as a wanna-be, within moments. If you want to use a wristwatch as a status symbol, that's fine - but you actually need to have the status (and wealth.) Nothing sadder than trying to write a symbolic check that you can't existentially cash.

    29. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Spykk · · Score: 1

      There is almost no time when I am not within sight of a clock which is why the watch I bought 20 years ago still looks new.

      Wait, so looking at my watch too frequently is what causes the bands to keep breaking?

    30. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by ikea5 · · Score: 1

      There is almost no time when I am not within sight of a clock which is why the watch I bought 20 years ago still looks new.

      Obviously not a outdoors guy.

    31. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without a wrist watch, how would I time myself during sexual intercourse?

    32. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Personally i can't stand wearing a wristwatch, or any kind of jewellery, i hate having things like that clinging to my skin - it's a foreign object stuck to my skin that feels like it needs to be removed.

      You get over it in a couple of weeks to a month. After that, it's hard to forget your watch because you feel uncomfortable stepping out of the house without it on, just like you'd feel weird without a shirt on.

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    33. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by RoboRay · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's a VCR?

    34. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by evilWurst · · Score: 1

      I don't wear a watch at home, but I do when I go out, because the clocks out there can be off by +/- 15 minutes. This is true even at my college, and since that margin of error can mean being way too early for class (and bored) or horribly late for class (and missing things), the watch keeps me on time.

    35. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Nokia was GBP 10

      http://store.nokia.com/

      Why must you turn slashdot into a chamber of lies? :(

    36. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by m00seb0y · · Score: 1

      More than a decade ago, I saw Douglas Coupland on a book tour and at one point in the reading he suddenly asked "Why do people still wear watches?". He got a big laugh, I guess because this was a new thought for many people. The tour was promoting Girlfriend In A Coma, so it must have been in 1998 or so.

    37. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My watch only has a minute hand you insensitive clod!

    38. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      If that's a funny story, I'd hate to hear a scary one.

    39. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      There was the time when really good diving torches were hard to come by so my dad had built some up out of plastic sewer pipe, and motorbike electrical components. It used a reed switch and an external magnet as a switch (no direct electrical connection) and they pressure tested the things to 1000 feet in a test chamber.

      So we were in Europe in 1975 with a camper van (I was 10) and where we parked I saw this cave in a nearby hill. I said "dad, can I have the torch" and he said "yeah, just let me take it off charge" so I switched the torch on, looked at the lamp, pointed the torch in the direction I was walking then the bloody thing blew up because the water in the lead acid battery had electrolysed into hydrogen and oxygen while the torch was charging off the car battery.

      The only solid parts left were the plastic pipe and (luckily) me. My pants were covered with battery acid. There were little fragments of plastic battery all over the road. The clear perspex disk which made up the back of the torch was found 20 metres away. The front one was never found.

      Come to think of it that story isn't funny either.

    40. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      [X] My wristwatch battery never goes dead because it does not have one It is a self winding watch as long as I can move, it will wind and tell accurate time.

      Ah, so phones make better watches for quadriplegics than wristwatches. Or at least for three days. I knew there was a nugget of truth in that article !

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    41. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to have an almost featureless phone (monochrome screen, unchangeable ringtone, extremely limited space to store text messages etc.) but it was durable and had a battery that lasted over two weeks. Wasn't too large either.

    42. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      +1 Terrifying - glad to hear you made it through that experience without injury!

    43. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are on a computer ... amm ... well ... forget it

    44. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by p51d007 · · Score: 1

      [x] never requires batteries. My watch has a solar thingy in it. As long as I get it some sun once a day, it's good for almost a week before the battery runs down. Before cell phones, I use to know dozens of phone numbers by heart. Now, I'm lucky to remember 1 or 2 without having to look it up on my phone.

    45. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      [X] It's harder to steal a wristwatch than a cellphone

      On the other hand, if they steal your cellphone you don't get your arm horribly cut up (thieves aren't known for their delicacy)

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    46. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that grabbed a piece of paper and did the calculations! There's still few of us oldsters around.

      Oh, and the three pages of paper to multiply 5738 * 7239? Don't you believe it - just over 1/4 sheet of paper.

    47. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by maxume · · Score: 1

      Has your dad improvised any other interesting bombs since then?

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    48. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or lady Gaga?

    49. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Clothes are generally far more flexible. looser and more ventilated than jewellery or a watch...

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    50. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... fall in the toilet ...

      Let me guess, you believed that part about cell phones replacing paper? ;-)

    51. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Not wearing my watch is what kept it looking new.

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    52. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Like a DVR but instead of a hard drive, it uses magnetic tape (similar to data storage backup). A VCR also has the ability to ignore Digital Rights Management and just record whatever it sees.

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    53. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by sxrysafis · · Score: 1

      My wristwatch detects WiFi! Try that with your cellphone!

    54. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      A VCR is a device that allows people to record sounds and videos from records, laserdiscs, and reel-to-reel tape and put them on a physical media (See: physical media) to play them elsewhere.

      It stored in the sound, and optionally video, in an analog (See: analog) wave on a strip of magnetic ribbon which was then wound around two spindles and put in a 'cassette', which is a word meaning 'tiny case'.

      These cassette tapes could be played in cars (See: private automobile), early analog cell phones (See: walkman), and on televisions. (See: broadcast television) People would also be able to bring VCR recording equipment into concerts and movie events and record the events in violation of copyright law. (See: copyright law)

      Because of these devices stored video and sound using the magnetic orientation of particles, no recordings survived the Pole Flip.

      -Retrieved from 20th.History.wiki/VCR, January 13, 2284.

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    55. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the times DON"T MATCH/synch! I was late to work for the first time in over 3 years a couple of weeks ago because my watch (cheap $10) had died and I don't normally bother with the cell phone for accurate time(it drifts about 20 minutes around when work's timeclock system is). I left based on the ostensibly correct wall clock(taking into account travel time and a 3 minute offset for work's timeclock) and I come to find out that I'm about 15 minutes late when I get to work. If all clocks were synchronized, great. Otherwise, I know what my watch is doing(now a fossil mechanical I am very happy with. It WILL run out of spring tension in a day or two if it isn't worn or wound, but at least I don't need a special charger and access to a wall socket to do that.

    56. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      Funny, in most classrooms I've been in, the clock is on the back wall so the teacher can see it. It is none of the students' concern.

    57. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could make calls with my wristwatch back in the eighties. However, there was only one other device on the network at that time and it was not GPB 10 but I got it for free, it was some kind of plan.

      Yours truly,
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    58. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      [x] You won't* get arrested for checking your wristwatch during a movie because some MPAA enforcer thinks it's a camera.

      * maybe

    59. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by cgenman · · Score: 1

      [ ] You already have a cellphone, which does all of the above. By having a watch, you're not replacing complexity, you're adding to it. I.E. you still have to worry about your phone getting wet, only now you also have to worry about breaking something on your wrist.

    60. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've been wearing the wrong type of clothing...

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    61. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... that anyone who knows anything about it will be able to identify as a cheap knock-off, and you as a wanna-be, within moments. If you want to use a wristwatch as a status symbol, that's fine - but you actually need to have the status (and wealth.) Nothing sadder than trying to write a symbolic check that you can't existentially cash.

      Some people buy them because they're more aesthetically pleasing then the other $10 watches that are not "cheap knock-offs," and don't give a shit about "status symbol." I mean, if I'm going to buy a cheap throw-away watch for $10, I'm still gonna buy the $10 watch that looks the nicest.

      If somebody who thinks of me as a "wanna-be" asks me how much I paid for it, I'll happily reply "$10" and be exceedingly proud of the fact that I'm not throwing my money away.

    62. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      My watch has a solar thingy in it. As long as I get it some sun once a day,

      Are you sure you're on the right site? This is slashdot.

    63. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      I've just finished my 13 years of primary + secondary education, and we *never* covered long division of numbers. We did, however cover long division of polynomials, and while I was able to learn that (although I quickly discarded it, having developed a form of short division) I never did figure out how to apply it to numbers.

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    64. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      And all these go away, when a mobile phone gets just as much a basic commodity item as a watch. Think about your phone being on your wrist, just as small as a watch, but with a display that can get much bigger. Or maybe like an arm band. There are a thousand possibilities.

      I don’t think the first mobile clocks, had any of those features that you describe. They did not survive water or were cheap either. And there were enough wristwatch thieves.

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    65. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      In 8th? We did it in 4th, and earlier. To what “school” did you go exactly? ^^
      Or do you call backwards, like the french? ^^

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    66. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by juhaz · · Score: 1

      My cellphone not only detects WiFi but can use it for surfing pr0n. Try THAT with your watch!

    67. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by el_gordo101 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it's more than GBP 10, but still:
      LG GSM Mobile Phone Watch

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    68. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by wintersdark · · Score: 1

      Hell, I've had my iPhone fall off the roof of my car; dropped it in the bathtub(Movies+Bathtub=win!) once and had it sit in a half-full mug of coffee overnight.

      It's screen had a small chip on the edge from the fall off the car, and I had to open it and clean it out after the coffee incident, but it still works just fine.. though it still smells faintly of coffee.

      More on-topic; it actually has replaced pretty much everything listing in the OP for me, too. Except, perhaps, gaming: I'm getting depressingly old, and just can't get into accelerometer controlled gaming. Touch screens are awesome for basic computing/phone use, but terrible for games: Your fingers obstruct view of the screen. I'm thinking of putting together an Arduino based interface for a keyboard; followed by an SNES controller. After that; it's all gravy.

      Not that watches are bad! I'm a big fan of wristwatches, though since my last one broke, I've not really had much of a need to replace it. Eventually I will, but my phone does fine as it is.

      Regardless, the evolution of the smartphone/MID is going to have extensive impacts on other gadgets, without a doubt. We're already getting to the point where the "phone" part is secondary to everything else, and that's the direction I think manufacturers should be moving in now. You can't really improve a phone any more; it's a simple device by nature.

      Instead of thinking "Hey, what else can we cram into this phone", I think a better approach is "What other capabilities can we add to this highly mobile(re: pocket sized) computer."

      Of course, I hate phones. I have only the cheapest possible voice plan for my iPhone, and I only have that for emergencies. I'm just looking for a better option. I find it somewhat amusing that my phone has replaced all these other devices, and the only one in the list that it hasn't really replaced... is a phone. Simply because I neither had nor wanted one.

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    69. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Z1NG · · Score: 1

      She washed off the phone? For keys in lava and phones in toilets the same rule applies: let 'em go because man, their gone. (With apologies to Jack Handy).

    70. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      I'm a nudist, you insensitive clod!

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    71. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by jbgeek · · Score: 1

      I agree. Pulling a mobile phone out of your pocket to check the time and (with many of them) having to wake up the display to see it is a pain. I'd rather just raise my wrist and look. My Casio Pathfinder also charges itself (solar), sets its own time via the NIST WWV radio signal ("atomic watch"), has an altimeter, barometer, thermometer, and digital compass, stopwatch w/ split time, countdown timer, alarms, world time, and is water resistant to 100 meters. And it all sits on my wrist. I won't be giving up watches any time soon. :P

    72. Re:Wristwatches are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't used a watch in almost two decades. Simply put, clocks are ubiquitous. In fact there's several in front of me right now - one on the computer, one on the VCR, and one on the television. ...

      Someday, you will likely discover these amazing architectural feats of simple mechanics known as stairs. Following these, you may notice an intriguing object known as a door. When you have figured out the intricate puzzle colloquially referred to as "doorknob", will you open this door. It would be best if you do this with your eyes closed, as you will then likely discover something utterly incomprehensible: the outdoors.

      You see, apparently $DEITY failed to conveniently litter these "outdoors" with time-keeping devices always within sight. I have heard of a terrifying place where you could walk in a straight line for *days* (you didn't know the "outdoors" was so big, did you?) without catching sight of a single one.

      Someday you will see, and you will know, and you will weep for lack of a watch.

  26. Same tag: onesizefitsall by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Funny

    same misconceptions:
    I want to a PSP-sized phone to have a decent screen size, and I want to take it off my pocket to check the hour. Of course it should have a full-sized QWERTY keyboard to replace my netbook (not miniaturized like G1) so that I could exercise my writer's hobby on a train, and then they will be so cheap that if I want to give someone a note about some new recipe, I scribble it on my phone and give the phone for them to take (paper replacement).

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  27. I found an 11th thing... by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another thing you can do on most modern web enabled phones is look up phrases like Begs the Question and see what a fool you are making of yourself prior to posting on slashdot.

    http://begthequestion.info/

    Brought to you by the obligatory and gratuitous grammar snarks.

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    1. Re:I found an 11th thing... by slaingod · · Score: 1

      You are such a fag... and by fag I mean a cigarette.

      Languages and meaning are fluid.

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    2. Re:I found an 11th thing... by ah802 · · Score: 1

      And in that vein, spring load switches and timers are eliminated from roadside bombs..

    3. Re:I found an 11th thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Circular logic" is a much better phrase for the original meaning of "begging the question", so your fight is hopeless.
      When you think of the phrase "begs the question" without attaching prior meaning, you immediately come to the conclusion of "the previous phrase had a hole in it that begged for attention to be called upon it"; fighting to keep the meaning of "begging the question" is is as likely as the RIAA returning to the days of Filler music and cocaine dunes.
      Have fun fighting an already lost battle!

    4. Re:I found an 11th thing... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      You're wasting your time.

      Any living language changes over time; at one time many English towns had roads called "Gropecunte Lane" and a former president of the US made a faux pas by translating the speech he was going to make to the French himself. Baiser had acquired different connotations since he was in school; his plane landed and he informed the eagerly awaiting French that he wanted to hump them

    5. Re:I found an 11th thing... by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Language is changing all the time, and those resisting such change are hampered by the absence of any true linguistic authorities. Dictionaries have partially served as authorities for individual words, but different dictionaries don't typically act in concert as far as when to add a new word (e.g. "doh", or "unfriend")... and, dictionaries don't add new words proactively, they do so REactively, ceding the impetus for doing so to empirical observations about what people are already saying.

      Individual words aside, there's a near complete void when it comes to the authority on the evolution of phrases. Case in point, I can't think of a reason the begthequestion.info website should be trusted as an authority. Its greatest credentials are that someone took the time to construct it... credentials it shares with scientologists, neonazis, moonlanding hoax theorists, and all the world's religions.

      Not long ago there was no shortage of people dying to point out that ending sentences in prepositions was considered grammatically incorrect. That issue is dying, simply because too many people found the prescribed sentence structures to be awkward and without any real value in terms of information conveyance...making the people who continue to harp on it sound crabby and pedantic. (Seriously, who wants to say things like "up with which I will not put"?)

      A telling illustration of people saying what they're habituated to are the phrases "could care less"/"couldn't care less". Unlike "beg the question", these two phrases themselves contain enough information to make a very strong case that "could care less" is wrong and "couldn't care less" is correct. Yet many people -- some of them very bright -- say the former all the time. And I've stopped trying to "correct" them; the very fact that there's enough context for me to know what they mean, even when they use the "wrong" phrase, speaks for itself.

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    6. Re:I found an 11th thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Two people walked past 6 descriptivists beating up a perscriptivist.

      "Shouldn't we do something?" asked one.

      "Six is enough," replied the other.

  28. no they won't by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Phone boxes: Dead. Abut the only use is to report the theft of a mobile phone.

    Wristwatches: Well, my wrist is in a very convenient place. I can even look at it whilst holding something else. It doesn't need to be fished out of a pocket. Women have the greater problem of having to fish it out of a handbag. Hell, I can look at it whilst on the phone. A watch than can keep better time than our planet can be purchased for about the same as an iphone app.

    Bedside alarm clocks: Mine has a battery life measured in years. It has a handy big button on the top to stop the alarm. Far superior than to a phone.

    MP3 players: I don't know why but I like my mp3 player better than my phone for mp3 purposes. Maybe that's just me, since I can't really rationalise this one.

    Landline home phones: Dead. I know very few people who still use these.

    Compact digital cameras: My Canon gives better pictures than any mobile phone ever will. It's not just about lens quality or pixels. There's a matter of having a large enough CCD to collect all those photons, which means you need a longer lens. And you do need a decent quality lens. They are expensive. Adding one to a cheap mobile phone means you might as well have a camera.

    Netbooks: What!? They're totally different devices. If you can have a decent sized keyboard and 10 inch screen on a device that fits into your pocket let me know.

    Handheld games consoles: Games consoles are extremely demanding about user interfaces. touch screens are not good for games.

    Paper: I've been essentially paperless for a decade. Mobile phones aren't going to affect this significantly.

    Thinking: Tools and information aid thinking. They don't replace it.

    1. Re:no they won't by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      MP3 players: I don't know why but I like my mp3 player better than my phone for mp3 purposes. Maybe that's just me, since I can't really rationalise this one.

      Not just you. The best one out there is the iPhone, and it still sucks, as it only recently got up to an acceptable level of storage (anything less than 32 GB is completely unacceptable to me). And any other music player blows it out of the water in terms of storage. Hell, even the iPod Touch has 64 GB nowadays.

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    2. Re:no they won't by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yet many people buy 4GB MP3 players. Not everybody has a humungous music collection, and even fewer feel the need to take their whole collection with them all the time.

      Not that I can talk, I have a 32GB disk based player in my bag that holds all the music I own. But it'll go when I buy my next phone - it'll have more capacity than my mp3 player in a smaller form factor, and also be a general computing device, mobile telephone, GPS and camera.

  29. Wristwatchs will not be made obsolete by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    They serve two purposes, not one. Frankly, telling time is the least of their purposes. As a man, a wristwatch is probably the single most expensive a wife/girlfriend or even boyfriend can buy for you. It can be large without being sententious, be jewel encrusted or plain, and can hold much more metal and gems then a ring. Also, they are more accessible. It is far easier and less obvious to check than to pull out a phone and flip it/turn it on/enter your password.

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    1. Re:Wristwatchs will not be made obsolete by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Well, it's one of the four acceptable forms of jewelry on a man: a wedding ring, a watch, cufflinks, and a tie tack. (Though the last one is pretty suspect.) And I think you meant "ostentatious", not "sententious".

  30. Re:Will prices like $50 for 5gb and then $50 per g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what? are you drunk?

  31. Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by Xenious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd think any true geek out there would appreciate the mechanical complexity of a quality watch (read: not quartz). Granted they are more jewelry like than actual time reference objects, but when you get out of the low end you can appreciate a lot of fine horology!

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    1. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Right now I'm geeking-out about all the cool things the article suggested. I never thought to use my cellphone as an alarm clock. I'll have to try that next time I'm in a hotel.

      I still don't want to get rid of my landline. The other day when my DSL stopped working, the dialup was the only connection I still had to the net. Downloading the latest episode of V over 50k may not be fun (took 6 hours) but at least I got to see it. And I was still able to keep up with my email and facebook.

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    2. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Or you can use tethering capabilities.

    3. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an app for that. Oh, wait....

    4. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by ZipK · · Score: 1

      Granted they are more jewelry like than actual time reference objects...

      I don't grant this. My Omega Seamaster is accurate to about 4 seconds/day; better than my Blackberry, and more than suitable for typical business and personal use.

    5. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dealing with your size issues by wearing your ersatz-penis on your wrist?

    6. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      A quartz watch is typically accurate to a few seconds per year.

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    7. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      The good thing about my cell phone as an alarm clock is that I can tell it to ring only Mondays - Fridays, so I don't end up being woken up on a Saturday, or not woken up on a Monday morning.

    8. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by highvista63 · · Score: 1

      Actually, very few quartz watches are this accurate. The typical quartz watch is only accurate to about +-15 seconds/month, unless it syncs to a time signal broadcast. Thermo-compensated quartz watches can be as accurate as +-5 sec/year, though, with no need for a time sync.

    9. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I'm into classic Accutron tuning fork watches.

        The class of a vintage mechanical, and the geekness of a transistorized tuning fork driven timing mechanism.

    10. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Then all my quartz watches must have been thermo-compensated.

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    11. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by highvista63 · · Score: 1

      It's possible for a particular quartz watch to have much higher accuracy than the +/- 15 sec/month average. It's mostly the luck of the draw without some method of internal temperature compensation. For a great deal of information on high-accuracy quartz watches, check out the High-end Quartz watch forum at http://forums.watchuseek.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9.

    12. Re:Geeks should appreciate mechanical l33t by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1

      I can use my cellphone as a backup internet pipe for my computer should my cable go out. In my testing I found it to be merely two or three times as fast as a 56k modem, but it'll do.

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  32. Witchcraft by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0

    One thousand years ago, even one hundred years ago, the concept of communicating with people who were not within line of sight or range of hearing would be called clairvoyance, clairaudience, mental telepathy, witchcraft, astral projection, sorcery, or something similar. It would have been persecuted and shunned even to the point of executing (as painfully as possible) anyone who claimed to have such ability.

    Nowadays we call it technology and we persecute and shun anyone who has no interest in it calling them antisocial, or disgruntled, or loner, or hermit, or difficult to get along with.

    My how human society has changed.

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    1. Re:Witchcraft by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      100 years ago was 1909. They had telephones and telegraph and radio was a recent invention.

      A 1000 years ago, they still had written correspondence and couriers, at least between learned (the clergy) and wealthy people.

  33. GPS by JaZz0r · · Score: 0

    Add GPS to that list. My Droid gives turn-by-turn directions while linked to Google Maps, meaning Garmin will no longer be receiving $80/year for map updates.

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    "Careful! We don't want to learn from this!" -Calvin & Hobbes
    1. Re:GPS by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Just don't get lost out of cell range. It's one of the few shortcomings that keeps me from an iPhone.

      That said, I do use my phone as my GPS, but I have a stand-alone package which does not require an active net connection. The maps are probably 3-4 years old now, but where I need it there is no cell service (prob 10% coverage at best), and the roads change very, very infrequently.

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      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    2. Re:GPS by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Well okay but when I go sea kayaking my garmin etrex will be attached to the deck of the boat and my openmoko will be in a water proof container behind the seat.

    3. Re:GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't get lost out of cell range. It's one of the few shortcomings that keeps me from an iPhone.

      What does being in cell range have to do with GPS? The iPhone 3G and 3GS have full GPS receivers in them. There are GPS apps that include maps that don't require in data connection.

  34. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of the greatest posts I've ever read. I'd like to nominate it for a Pulitzer.

  35. No, it won't! by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 1

    First off: a mobile phone has quite a limited interaction possibility due to the small size and no real specialization.
    Second, and most important: most people can't grasp even a small portion of what little their phone can.

    Sure, some folks use it as replacement for an alarm and watch. Inbuilt camera is also cute, though not even suited for good vacation photos, much less professional ones.

    Games will stay with DS and PSP, and they won't loose sleep over it. Did not even see many people using their phones for music, though that would be a possibility (thanks RIAA).

    Practically the only 2 thing mobile phones changed were, that people were more often reachable via phone (which they mostly don't pick up anyway) and everyone is typing those damn SMS all the time.

    Now stop dreaming, face reality. Seriously..

    1. Re:No, it won't! by dingen · · Score: 1

      When I look at myself, I must admit I stopped using a watch about 10 years ago, when I got my first cell phone. Since then, about every single phone booth has been removed in my country and currently I play more games on my iPhone than on my DS or even my Xbox.

      Now I know I'm probably not very representative for the entire population, but when I look around, I do notice a lot more people without a wrist watch...

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    2. Re:No, it won't! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      People that don't use watches anymore probably stopped because of the pervasiveness of computerized clocks. Cell phones are just a drop in the bucket here and the last of a very long line. As far as "killing off clocks and watches" go they are "last to the party".

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  36. Neo-luddite by mewsenews · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The author poignantly concludes that while it's great to have so much power at our fingertips it does mean that some of us will rely on mobile phones for even basic mental tasks, which is great until the battery runs out.

    Poignant? People tried to say the same thing about calculators in the 50s. Tools augment human capability, they can be a crutch but we're a little far from walking in the jungle throwing spears, aren't we?

    1. Re:Neo-luddite by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Quick add up the following items:
      Coke: $0.49
      Candy Bar $0.87
      Bag of chips: $1.34
      Calculate total purchase price with 6% sales tax.

      Now tell me that calculators or their cousins the POS/Cash register haven't effectively removed peoples basic math abilities.

      They are tools, yes, and they most certainly are responsible for changing peoples ability to do certain things. You can't deny it and pretend it didn't happen. So the common man isn't as good at basic math, that ability has been replaced with something else. Thats just the way it works, always has, always will.

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    2. Re:Neo-luddite by WCguru42 · · Score: 1

      $2.85

      Now the question is, do you trust your local cashier to be able to do that as speedily and accurately as a computer. There's no reason not to speed up the process. If people don't take the time to maintain their mathematical ability that's their own fault.

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    3. Re:Neo-luddite by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am, and I'll accept that you are, but the vast majority of people have a really suspect intellectual capacity, a very shaky grasp on reality (I hear some people even believe politicians, accountants and/or Scientologists) and an attention-span of a 3 year old. On a good day.

      When you consider that Oprah Winfrey is considered to be the height of intellectualism on US television and Coast-to-Coast AM has more credible stories than many of the popular news outlets, it's clear that the species has some serious shortcomings.

      On the other hand, Neolithic people had perfectly functional and valuable neurosurgeons, had tools with better-than-millimetre precision, were capable of large-scale transatlantic sea voyages and were building some very good echo chambers.

      So when you compare modern humanity (by which you realize you're including Palin supporters, rednecks, New York taxi drivers, Frank Bruno, Hulk Hogan and Terry Wogan) with Neolithic and Paleolithic people, I'm really not convinced humans are advanced as you think.

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    4. Re:Neo-luddite by DriftingDutchman · · Score: 1

      Spears are tools too. Without tools, humans wouldn't be able to occupy our ecological niche. We are weak and can't run fast, have no natural armor, and have neither impressive teeth nor claws.

    5. Re:Neo-luddite by awshidahak · · Score: 1

      You young people with your mind-numbing spears. Back in my day we had to actually attack and kill our food with our bare hands. It took a bit longer, but we had our pride. You had to actually calculate how you were going to attack the beast and then it was a constant thought process to keep alive. And we liked it. Now get off my lawn.

    6. Re:Neo-luddite by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, Neolithic people had perfectly functional and valuable neurosurgeons, had tools with better-than-millimetre precision, were capable of large-scale transatlantic sea voyages and were building some very good echo chambers.

      Trepanation is all fine and well, but they still smelled like ass.

    7. Re:Neo-luddite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we're a little far from walking in the jungle throwing spears, aren't we?

      Yes. That sounds like far too much effort. Why can't my phone throw the spears for me?

    8. Re:Neo-luddite by mikechant · · Score: 1

      $2.85

      Actually $2.86.

      .49+.87+1.34=2.7
      2.7*1.06=2.862

    9. Re:Neo-luddite by maxume · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how fucking dangerous those berries are?

      Don't get me started on apples!

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    10. Re:Neo-luddite by don.g · · Score: 1

      How do you guys cope with having to add sales tax to advertised prices? Does it drive you up the wall? It's certainly confused me the times I've been to the US. The mental arithmetic to add those numbers is way easier than multiplying by 1.06...

      (in sensible NZ, prices advertised to the general public must include sales tax)

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  37. Watches by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Either you get the watch, or you don't. I learned to tell time in the second grade and George actually gave me his watch because he didn't know how to tell time and I did (mom and dad made me give it back).

    Had a digital watch as soon as they got cheap in the 70s (those of you born in the mid 60s will remember that well, I'm sure), an LCD watch when those got cheap. Bought a new Timex LCD in 1986 and wore it more or less continuously until 2007 when my wife gave me a Tag Heuer self-winding chronograph.

    I'll never look back. This watch is a tank, keeps good time and looks fairly smart. Plus NO batteries.

  38. 6th sense by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Portable devices are converging, and cellphones so far are the main target of that convergence. But they are evolving. Started looking just as a bit more than a (big) keypad, added display that grew over time to be all display in touchscreens, added fast cpus and plenty of memory, photo/video cameras, gps/accelerometers and other sensors, etc. In a short future could be seen more as portable internet devices than phones, and its shape and way to use could evolve even more.

    How they will end if start adopting the features of i.e. SixthSense or other approachs to user interfaces? More than cellphones will be called Augmented Reality Devices?

  39. rambling along by quercus.aeternam · · Score: 1

    Please, call them 'communicators'. It makes me feel like I'm living in an incredibly advanced society (technologically, anyway). Which, let's face it, is the truth.

    Our technological capabilities constantly change, but will we ever live up to what we can achieve? Stupid UIs and bad integration are one thing that will never disappear, but a great UI with seamless integration into life is what really matters. That's why /I/ use emacs. So powerful, it was used in the creation of the universe, or so I hear.

    Long live emacs!
    Long live BeOS!
    Long live the Newton!
    Long live ssh!

    And that's why ChromeOS will be successful. I really am not very interested in it, but it is certainly following the restrictiveness of Apple, and one-upping it.

    I hate restrictions, but restriction is what allows for excellence. You must make a choice, and stick with it to excel.

    Unfortunately, I'm more of a generalist. Computers, music, ultimate, and cooking. My only hope for achievement is to bring insights of one field to another. How depressing!

  40. Learn frickin' English by Lulu+of+the+Lotus-Ea · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It does NOT "beg the question"! It might RAISE the question (perhaps not even that), but it certainly does not claim that the question itself is evidence for its truth.

    Kids these days!

    Read: http://begthequestion.info/ (or just a frickin' dictionary).

  41. Uh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... how about the most obvious things? Namely _wallets_ and _keys_.

  42. Some agreements. by falzer · · Score: 1

    Phone booths maybe. I still see people use them in malls or on the ferry.

    Wristwatches no. I bring my phone out of my pocket to check the time and it's a PITA. After tiring of this, I recently ordered a wristwatch. Wristwatches are still fashionable. If I may psychoanalyze the author of this article I suspect that he is a pragmatist.

    Alarm clock probably yes as long as the software is sufficiently flexible.

    MP3 player yes.

    Compact camera likely. The best camera is the one you have on your person. My current phone's camera is shit, but if it was decent I probably wouldn't have bothered getting a compact. Anything bigger than a compact camera is still safe.

    Netbooks? I don't know, but as long as I have the choice I won't do any of my work on a computer the size of a phone. OTOH I would love to be able to bring my phone to work, plug it into a KVM and carry on that way.

    Handheld game consoles maybe. No reason the current game giants can't make software for phones.

    Paper? For maps and dictionaries and stuff, sure, to some degree. For writing, no. I'll believe that when I see Larry Lunchbucket on the jobsite taking notes on his phone's screen.

  43. One think I want them to obsolete ... by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please, someone make something that will obsolete slashvertisments disguised as rehashed top ten lists.

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  44. 12 ways watches are better than cell phones by tomhudson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    1. GBP 10 is not $10.

    2. Your cell phone was probably subsidized by your cell phone company, if you bought it new. Try buying a new cell phone without a plan, and no subsidy. they'll be more than $10.

    3. I don't need to recharge my wrist watch every few days. How many days can you talk on your cell phone run without a recharge?

    4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

    5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

    6. Can you make calls on your cell phone without some sort of plan, even if it's pay-as-you-go? I can still tell time with my watch - no plan needed.

    7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

    8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

    9. If someone steals my watch, I don't have to worry that they have a lot of my contacts.

    10. A thief can't run u a big bill for me on my watch.

    11. I don't have to back up my watch.

    12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

    I have both a cell phone and a watch. Each one has its own place. Maybe you've heard of the concept - "right tool for the job."

    1. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Zerth · · Score: 1

      1. Indeed, it's about 16 USD
      2. Going by the currency, GP is from the UK. Phones can actually be bought cheaply without selling your soul for 2 years, because you don't have to buy from your provider, you can get it at a shop and pop in your SIM.

    2. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by WCguru42 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

      No, but it fits nicely in my pocket. Maybe I don't find having something on my wrist convenient.

      5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

      Have you ever held a quality wristwatch. Those bad boys weigh a ton. My phone probably weighs half as much as my friends watch.

      7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

      I don't know if I've ever owned a cell phone that couldn't keep it's own time. They use cell towers to update when I get out of airplane flights but they still keep track of time without a connection.

      8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

      Nor do I with my phone. It's called silent mode. I know of plenty of people who's watches have tripped their alarms in the middle of meetings. It's all about the user not the tool.

      12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      Why look at your watch when you're dash has a clock.

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    3. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what's the cheapest NEW (not refurb, not factory-remanufactured, or open-box special) cell phone you can buy without a plan, unlocked, not tied to a provider? It's going to be a lot more than $10.

    4. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Quality wrist watches don't "weigh a ton." That's an indication of cheapness, of substituting bulk for quality. More than half the population are women, and they don't want or need something bulky and heavy to make a "statement" - light is right, thin is in.

      The clock on the dash is also the radio tuner display ... doesn't work quite the way you think :-)

    5. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by ubergeek09 · · Score: 0

      the clock on the dash of my car was only a clock. I had a seperate display on the radio that displayed the station

    6. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...It's going to be a lot more than $10....

      Tracfone sells a pay-as-you-go phone for $14.99. One hour/3 months service sells for $20. I think it will be a while before landline phones go the way of the dodo. They are far more reliable than any cell phone ever thought of being. If you have DSL, you need to have a landline anyway, might as well get the phone service too.

      I will use my landline phone at home and my pay-as-you-go Tracfone if/when I have to make a call when out and about. It is used almost exclusively for for outgoing calls only.

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    7. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by jc42 · · Score: 1

      12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      Why look at your watch when you're dash has a clock.

      Actually, that's one of the things that persuaded me to give up on watches.

      The main trigger was about 10 years ago, when I suddenly developed a serious rash on my wrist under the watch. I carried it in my pocket for a week or so, to see what happened. The rash slowly went away, and a doctor told me that he'd seen quite a lot of watch-caused rashes recently. He didn't know what they were putting in or on the metal, but it wasn't anything good. Meanwhile, I'd noticed that I hardly ever took the watch out of my pocket. The reason was that I'd found it rare to be out of sight of a clock. In addition to the one on my car's dashboard, it seemed like nearly everywhere I went, I could quickly glance around for a clock faster than I could pull the watch out of my pocket.

      So I decided the hell with watches. I started leaving my old watch home, and I didn't miss it. Of course, I was an early adopter of cell phones, and I've had one in my pocket most of the time for the past decade. (When I was wearing pants, of course. ;-)

      So wrist watches now are really nothing but a fashion accessory. If you like that sort of jewelry, fine, buy yourself a nice-looking one. I'll just go bare wristed. Every few days I'll find myself in a place where I can't spot a clock within one or two seconds, and I'll pull my phone (a G1 this year) out of my pocket. And I no longer get a rash on my wrist from whatever the watch makers were putting in the alloy on the back of their watches.

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    8. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Landlines don't go dead from battery drain, leading to problems when trying to dial 911. (Cordless phones might, but that's why it's a good idea to keep a traditional corded phone around, too.)

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    9. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by billsayswow · · Score: 1

      It's because it was a cheap watch or watchband. My old one used to give me horrid rashes. While at the mall, idly looking at watches I could never afford at a jewelry shop, I mentioned it to the clerk, they said it's because my watch was, essentially, rusting into my skin. I picked up a $30 stainless steel Armitron from Walmart the next day, and haven't had a single problem. It looks nice, too.

    10. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by pherthyl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >> 1. GBP 10 is not $10.

      My phone was free. Same with my last phone and the one before that.

      >> 2. Your cell phone was probably subsidized by your cell phone company, if you bought it new. Try buying a new cell phone without a plan, and no subsidy. they'll be more than $10.

      Of course, but that doesn't change that you can get them free from many companies. Can I get a subsidized Rolex anywhere?

      >> 3. I don't need to recharge my wrist watch every few days. How many days can you talk on your cell phone run without a recharge?

      About a week. Not really an issue unless you're out in the wilderness for a long time, and then I don't give a shit about what time it is.

      >> 4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

      Having something strapped to my wrist is anything but convenient. It can get caught on stuff, I have to take it off and put it back on several times a day (showers, bed, etc).

      >> 5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

      Pretty damn close if you're talking about a quality mechanical watch + strap. Either way it's not an inconvenience.

      >> 6. Can you make calls on your cell phone without some sort of plan, even if it's pay-as-you-go? I can still tell time with my watch - no plan needed.

      That's retarded. I can tell time without a plan but a watch can never make a call.

      >> 7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

      No. I've never owned a phone that wouldn't tell the time without service. I'm sure such a braindamaged phone does exist, but that's not the norm.

      >> 8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

      Ever owned a digital watch with an alarm? They do the same thing.

      >> 9. If someone steals my watch, I don't have to worry that they have a lot of my contacts.

      Password protect your phone or don't store your contacts in there if you're so paranoid.

      >> 10. A thief can't run u a big bill for me on my watch.

      Not an issue if you cancel your plan when you notice your phone's missing.

      >> 11. I don't have to back up my watch.

      I also don't have to back up my cat. Doesn't mean it's relevant to the discussion.

      >> 12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      Your car doesn't have a clock? Why would you need to look at either of them to tell the time?

    11. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      In all, it doesn't matter a damn, for the simple fact that i'm going to have a cell phone ANYWAY.

      Once I already have said cell phone... and it costs trivially more for me to pull it out and look at it, I'm GOING TO USE IT as my time keeping device.

      The cost of said cell phone is immaterial, if I already own it for purposes of mobile communication.

      As long as it doesn't double the price to have it also serve as a time-keeping device, there's NO PRACTICAL REASON not to use it.

      All the other arguments are just silly.

      Thanks, you're welcome, etc.

    12. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by StrategicIrony · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. GBP 10 is not $10.

      2. Your cell phone was probably subsidized by your cell phone company, if you bought it new. Try buying a new cell phone without a plan, and no subsidy. they'll be more than $10.

      It doesn't matter, I already purchased it for use as a mobile communication device and I already carry it everywhere for means for mobile communication. It's cost is totally immaterial to whether or not I would want to use it as a time-keeping device.

      3. I don't need to recharge my wrist watch every few days. How many days can you talk on your cell phone run without a recharge?

      This is immaterial, as I keep my cell phone charged for use as a mobile communication device. Any other functions it also serves is simply one less battery I have to charge (or change annually, as it were with a watch)

      4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

      5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

      I hate having things on my wrist, but since I keep my cell phone on my person at almost all times anyway, this is also immaterial.

      6. Can you make calls on your cell phone without some sort of plan, even if it's pay-as-you-go? I can still tell time with my watch - no plan needed.

      No, but I can still tell time on my phone without a plan. But I've had a cell phone plan uninterrupted for almost 10 years. You make a good argument for having a mobile timekeeping device around in case of nuclear winter or total economic collapse. I keep one in a drawer in my laundry room. Shouldn't this suffice in the unlikely event the world economy crumbles?

      7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

      My cell phone doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. It does have "dead zones" where it ceases to function as a mobile communication device. It is always more than adequate as a time-keeping device, however.

      8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

      I'm glad hear that you choose to use an embarrassing ring-tone. I don't and I turn my phone on "silent" during meetings. I would continue to do this if I had a wrist watch. I would also continue to do this if I didn't have a wrist watch. Wait... when did ring tones have ANYTHING to do with this discussion about time-keeping? Are you telling me that you're fundamentally opposed to the concept of a telephone because you might be interrupted? Interesting......

      9. If someone steals my watch, I don't have to worry that they have a lot of my contacts.

      10. A thief can't run u a big bill for me on my watch.

      11. I don't have to back up my watch.

      And again... this has nothing to do with time-keeping. Are you fundamentally opposed to the concept of a mobile communication device? I find them quite useful. I imagine it's hard to conduct business these days with that attitude. How have you managed?

      12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      This might be the only good point in this whole rant. But my car has an accurate clock and it IS separate from the radio and "always on" (even when the ignition is off--- even when the battery is too dead to start the car).

      I have both a cell phone and a watch. Each one has its own place. Maybe you've heard of the concept - "right tool for the job."

      A long time ago, there was this thing called a 'typewriter'. There was a different thing called a 'computer'. They served totally different purposes. A lot of people swore by both of them.

      Then one day, someone created an attachment for the computer and some software that allowed it to do the work of a typewriter.

    13. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh, Do you work for Rolex?

    14. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what's the cheapest NEW (not refurb, not factory-remanufactured, or open-box special) cell phone you can buy without a plan, unlocked, not tied to a provider? It's going to be a lot more than $10.

      Interesting. When did person you were responding to claim that they got a new phone?

      That aside, TracFone sells three Motorola phones for $9.99 each, brand new. TracFone is a pre-paid service, so there's no contract. They are locked to help subsidize the cost, but if you drop one in the toilet and have to get a new one, it's still $10, because there's no contract to require you to pay off the old one. That's their loss, not yours AFAIK. All that matters for purposes of the debate between whether watches are cheaper than phones is what the customer has to pay.

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    15. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Toonol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I often don't WANT my cellphone anywhere near me. No, turning it off isn't sufficient; I don't want the bastard anywhere on my person. I rarely feel the same way about my watch.

    16. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      1. GBP 10 is not $10.

      Man, someone needs to tell Sony, MS, and Nintendo that! Seems like they all think a console or game that sells for X dollars should sell for X pounds. I don't know how gamers even survive across the pond.

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    17. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      "Have you ever held a quality wristwatch. Those bad boys weigh a ton. My phone probably weighs half as much as my friends watch."

      Titanium.

    18. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thing (odds are someone else has said this) for why a watch can be better than a cell phone.

      I can look at my watch while taking a test and the instructor isn't going to care. (At least none of the instructors I've had worried)

      A cell phone was expected to be out of sight (and setup to not have an audible ring(vibrate or nothing)) during a test.

      Meaning, with a watch I can look at the time during a test. Cell phone does me no good unless I've set an alarm to vibrate the phone.(Assuming you notice the vibrate). (And then what do you do if you get a call and mistake that shake for the alarm shake?)

      And for people that say look at the clock in the room, some of those rooms don't have clocks. Others had the clock in a position that you couldn't see when sitting (like the back of the room. Instructor has no problem looking at it, but you are going to have to turn around to see it).

    19. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      As long as it doesn't double the price to have it also serve as a time-keeping device, there's NO PRACTICAL REASON not to use it.
      You can wear your cell phone on your wrist, ready to be read off? I'd hate it to have to pull my clock from whereever I've stuffed it.
      Also, it's far more likely that I forget my cell phone than that I forget my wrist watch.

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    20. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Yep.
      2. You can buy cheap phones at the store for 20-30USD, no subsidy.
      3. We're comparing them for telling time since a watch cannot make calls. My phone lasts a long time (week or more) if I just use it to glance at the time. However the watch still wins.
      4. No, if you want something on your wrist, the watch wins. However I find that in my line of work, a watch catches on different things when I'm reaching for wires or other items. My personal preference is nothing on my wrist.
      5. The sleight difference in weight doesn't bother me, but yes some phones are quite light while some watches are quite heavy.
      6. It keeps time without a plan just fine. Calls do not matter since the watch cannot make them, ever.
      7. The phone also does not have dead zones for time.
      8. If you're forgetful enough to leave your phone volume on during a meeting, you'd probably forget your watch alarm too which could go off as well. However my phone is never on ring, it is either silent or vibrate. Ring tones are annoying.
      9. If someone steals my phone, the contacts are locked along with the phone.
      10. Between a SIM lock on my ATT SIM card and the key lock on my CDMA phone, neither will they with my phone.
      11. i don't have to backup a phone to tell time either
      12. If it's illegal to look at your phone to check the time in the state you're in, it should be just as illegal to look at your watch. Not that you'd need to since every car has a clock on the dash.

    21. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by srussia · · Score: 4, Informative

      The main trigger was about 10 years ago, when I suddenly developed a serious rash on my wrist under the watch. I carried it in my pocket for a week or so, to see what happened. The rash slowly went away, and a doctor told me that he'd seen quite a lot of watch-caused rashes recently. He didn't know what they were putting in or on the metal, but it wasn't anything good.

      You have a nickel allergy.

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    22. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. GBP 10 is not $10.

      True story. Glad you know the difference.


      2. Your cell phone was probably subsidized by your cell phone company, if you bought it new. Try buying a new cell phone without a plan, and no subsidy. they'll be more than $10.

      You can get fully working hand-me-downs for free in either case. And aside from that, if you want the cheapest of the cheap, yes you can get both a cell phone and a wristwatch for ~$10.


      3. I don't need to recharge my wrist watch every few days. How many days can you talk on your cell phone run without a recharge?

      Well if I use it strictly as a timepiece, it will go longer on a charge than a mechanical watch will on a wind.... How long can you talk on your watch before it dies?


      4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

      I've always preferred a pocket watch. I work in an active field witch it is all too likely that a wristwatch would be damaged. I don't particularly consider a wrist-mounted timepiece to be all that convenient.


      5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

      No, but it does act as a light, amongst other things.


      6. Can you make calls on your cell phone without some sort of plan, even if it's pay-as-you-go? I can still tell time with my watch - no plan needed.

      My phone can still tell time, plan or not.


      7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

      Of course, but it still displays accurate time, regardless of whether or not I get reception.


      8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

      Your watch doesn't have an alarm? Seems like a no-brainer feature for a timepiece, but OK, I'll give you this one -- only because most phones require you to toggle between ringing and vibrate modes. Though in either case you'd have to manually disable audio notifications for both watch or cell phone in that all-important meeting.


      9. If someone steals my watch, I don't have to worry that they have a lot of my contacts.

      Keypad lock FTW.


      10. A thief can't run u a big bill for me on my watch.

      As I said, keypad lock, FTW.


      11. I don't have to back up my watch.

      Sure, but you still have to reset it when its power source has run out.


      12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      Its legal for me to look at my phone while driving, too.


      I have both a cell phone and a watch. Each one has its own place. Maybe you've heard of the concept - "right tool for the job."

      Well it is certainly evident that you know a lot about being a tool, I'll give this one to you as well. Hey, 2 out of 12, thats not bad... oh wait...
      The next time you want to make a convincing argument (much less an enumeration of 12 talking points), maybe you should be, you know, more convincing. The sad thing is that I don't disagree with you as a matter of principle, but you've failed to move me. So much so that I feel the need to play devil's advocate here.

      Or, if you prefer: tl;dr, STFU and GTFO.

    23. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      £10. They don't do much, but they phone people. Most retailers I've seen refuse to sell them without £10 credit, though, so £20. Not really a lot more than $10.

    24. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      I have both a cell phone and a watch. Each one has its own place. Maybe you've heard of the concept - "right tool for the job."

      Exactly. I think this particular item is just plain wrong. Wristwatches won't be made obsolete, period. They may evolve into some form of extension to a mobile phone, combining the convenience of the wristwatch with some functionality of a phone or its other features, but they're just too damned handy to go away.

      Oh, and I bought my first mobile phone (which didn't tell the time by the way) back in 1993, and I think the first one with built-in clock came in 1995 and I also got that one. Now 17 years and 20+ mobile phones later I still wear a wrist watch. During these 17 years I've actually acquired something like 5 or 6 new wristwatches, of which I wear one of three daily to this day (the others have dead batteries and have essentially been replaced by newer better models).

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    25. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      1. Try telling that to British retailers please.
      2. Subsidised phones are getting pretty rare these days, and generally work out more expensive.
      3. The phone needs to be recharged anyway.
      4. You need to take your phone with you anyway.
      5. You need to take your phone with you anyway. The watch is additional weight.
      6. You can't make calls with your watch, plan or no plan. You don't need a plan or even a sim card for the phone clock to work.
      7. Even if you can't make calls, you can still see what time it is.
      8. You need your phone anyway.
      9. You can password protect your phone, and you need to take it with you anyway.
      10. You need your phone anyway.
      11. My phone syncs to my Exchange Server automatically.
      12. I have a clock on my car dashboard for that.

      The point is that you have a phone anyway. Why do you also want a watch?

    26. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      A Samsung E1100 for £4.95 ($8.16) from Carphone Warehouse. It comes with a PAYG SIM, but you can take that out and put whatever SIM you want in there.

    27. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by maxume · · Score: 1

      The Tracfone is probably carrier locked though, and probably even needs to be flashed to new firmware to work well on other networks.

      Also, note that ATT recently started a big advertising push for DSL without a landline account (the phrasing gets awkward there, of course the wire is coming into your house, but no voice service is provided or charged for).

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    28. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Wear a stainless steel backed watch - it won't give you a rash. Lots of people (including me) will get a rash from non-stainless watches.

      I did for a time go without a watch, but I have one again. I find it very convenient.

    29. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yup, that it. Also, you're a man.

      Women learn very quickly as a teenager if they have a nickel allergy as cheapo earrings have nickel in them, and earrings are in continual contact with their skin. (I know a few who have such an allergy.)

      Men usually have to wait to learn they have a nickel allergy until they start wearing a watch with nickel in it (Which cheap kid watches don't have.), and even then it takes longer as the watch is in less contact and moves around.

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    30. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      This might be the only good point in this whole rant. But my car has an accurate clock and it IS separate from the radio and "always on" (even when the ignition is off--- even when the battery is too dead to start the car).

      Actually, it's not a very good point. Most cell phone laws prohibit making calls while driving, hence it would be entirely legal to use a cell phone to tell time while driving. Which is why they've having to go back and prohibit texting also.(1)

      I can't think of anywhere where it's illegal to use cell phones at all while driving, except places like Maine, where it's illegal to drive distracted at all...which would mean, duh, if looking at a cell phone is distracting, so is looking at a watch.

      I'd actually like to see a law under which looking at a cell phone is illegal and looking at a watch isn't. (Strangely enough, the other way around accidentally possible...sometimes it's illegal to hold things in your hand, but not to mount things. So if you had your cellphone docked, you can look at it, but as your watch is on your arm, it might actually count as 'holding' it.)

      1) What they need to do is prohibit using any device that requires looking at it a total of three seconds to do what you're trying to do, and disallow holding any device for the same amount of time.

      This would allow things like pushing the unlock button to get the lock screen on the iPhone, or opening your clam phone up by touch, and then glancing at it for the time. Or glancing at your car radio. Or pushing a programmed station button.

      But it would forbid things like texting or watching TV or tuning your radio. It would be a general principle that then the other laws can be based off of, and something to get people for if they invent some new use that isn't covered yet...if it requires a total of looking away for several seconds, it is not allowed.

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    31. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and for anyone that experiences this, cover the back plate with clear nail polish and allow it to dry (you may want to remove the plate first depending on style of watch. It provides a damn-near impermeable barrier and stops the rash.

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    32. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      You have a nickel allergy.

      Or, less likely, hyper-sensitive skin. If using a stainless steel backplate or applying nail polish won't work, applying body lotion to the affected area each day might.

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    33. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a nickel allergy.

      That's what you get when you buy 5 cent wristwatches.

    34. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      My watch certainly isn't light but I don't notice the weight. You won't either.

    35. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cheapest handsets cost about $20. Anywhere in the world, if you buy a cellphone without service this will likely be the minimum cost. With service you can do it in Egypt for $35.

    36. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Random5 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I have a phone anyway. If I started wearing my watch again I'd still be carrying around my phone because my watch doesn't make phonecalls (or browse the web, receive email, play music, wake me up on weekdays but not weekends, have games, tell me the weather etc).

      3. I don't need to recharge my wrist watch every few days. How many days can you talk on your cell phone run without a recharge?

      Not many, but I wouldn't let it go flat.. I'd still like to have a working phone with me. Wearing a watch doesn't make my phone not go flat.

      4. Does your cell phone fit conveniently on your wrist like a watch? Or would you have to duct-tape it?

      No, but it doesn't pull our the hair on my arm either. Takes 3 seconds to check it from my pocket when I need to check it which isn't often. Also, many of my friends have pocket watches, because they're awesome. I would get one if I had the clothes to go with it. Fortunately my phone is purely functional rather than a fashion statement.

      5. Is your cell phone as light as a watch?

      Yep. Well, as light as makes no difference to a decent metal watch

      6. Can you make calls on your cell phone without some sort of plan, even if it's pay-as-you-go? I can still tell time with my watch - no plan needed.

      I can still tell time on my phone without a plan! And yes, I could actually make calls on it without a plan - I'd need a free wifi hotspot nearby thouugh. And I can always call the emergency services

      7. My watch doesn't have "dead zones" where it stops telling time. Does your cell phone have dead zones where you can't make calls?

      My phone doesn't have a dead zone where it stops telling the time. Your watch has a dead zone covering the entire universe where it can't make calls

      8. I don't have to worry about my watch interrupting an important meeting with an embarrassing ring-tone.

      My phone goes on silent when I walk into the office automatically.

      9. If someone steals my watch, I don't have to worry that they have a lot of my contacts.

      People can't see my phone glinting on my wrist and don't steal it.

      10. A thief can't run u a big bill for me on my watch.

      You don't know that you can call your carrier and tell them to brick your phone?

      11. I don't have to back up my watch.

      I don't have to backup my phone, it does that automatically

      12. It's legal to look at my watch while driving.

      My car isn't so crappy that it doesn't have a clock in it.

    37. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      I generally hate the concept of phones being tied to a provider, but I got mine for £5 with a mandatory £10 topup (i.e. I handed over £15) on prepay. For that price I can buy a phone for every network I want.

      Yes, it's the bottom-of-the-line Nokia, but what do I care? It's a fully functional phone.

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    38. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      A subsidized "free" phone is not free. Break the contract, pay the pro-rata price of the phone. Don't be dishonest - save it for Troll Tuesday :-)

    39. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      A Samsung E1100 for £4.95 ($8.16) from Carphone Warehouse. It comes with a PAYG SIM, but you can take that out and put whatever SIM you want in there.

      FAIL. http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/SAMSUNG-E1100-VRW15-WEB15

      * when bought with £15 Airtime

      So you can't buy it without spending a minimum of "Only £19.95". That's several times more than "under $10.00" - more like $33.25 at today's rates.

    40. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Can you surf the web on your wristwatch? Can you have instantaneous voice conversations with people across the country / world with your wristwatch? Can you set reminders, play games or listen to music on your wrist watch? There have been so many comments saying that people would never give up their good old wristwatch and go out to buy a phone in order to tell the time... Are so many people missing the point of the article? I don't own a phone to tell me the time. But I don't wear a wristwatch because I already have a device on me that serves this purpose while doing many other useful things. I think that phones are great for combining many of the common things we do on a daily basis. I don't use it a huge amount, and thus can get up to a week before I need to recharge the battery, which isn't a terrible task. Yes, if I had a wristwatch, I wouldn't have to charge it weekly, but since I'm going to have to own a phone regardless, and charge it weekly regardless, where's the downside in the fact that it tells the time, so I have no need of a watch? On the wall of my living room there's a clock, on my desk there's a phone with display and my computer to tell me the time, along with a wall clock.

    41. Re:12 ways watches are better than cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely. I've also seen plastic watches give rashes if they've spent a long time in a smoker's house. I would imagine there are other contaminants that would cause a similar reaction. A thorough cleaning often resolves the issue.

  45. begs the frickin question by Unmanifest · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Please stop misusing "begs the question". It makes you seem very, very stupid.

    "Begs the question" does not mean the same thing as "Raises the question."

    Please don't be stupid on the internet. Please.

  46. In case you didn't catch all ten by RabidTimmy · · Score: 1

    Phone boxes - Good riddance

    Wristwatches - Not a chance. I've tried doing it since my last watch broke, but have hated it the entire time. Can't wait until I can get the inclination to go find a new watch.

    Bedside alarm clocks - Possibly, but if my blackberry is any indication, they really need to improve the software. Kind of sad that it still only allows 1 alarm.

    MP3 players - Seem to be on their way towards overtaking them.

    Landline home phones - I know several people including myself who haven't had a landline phone in a while.

    Compact digital cameras - How long until they offer anything comparable to a decent digital camera. They replace the cheap point-and-click thing, sure, but anything respectable?

    Netbooks - Too small and no keyboard.

    Handheld games consoles - It's hard to replace the dedicated hardware. Maybe someday though.

    Paper - How many times has this been claimed?

    Thinking – If we count this category, then hasn't thinking been replaced for a while now? Either we consider thinking as already having been replaced or cell phones won't make change things much more.

    1. Re:In case you didn't catch all ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netbooks have keyboards. You're thinking of a pad.

    2. Re:In case you didn't catch all ten by RabidTimmy · · Score: 1

      I was speaking of cell phones being too small and lacking a keyboard which I would need to replace a netbook.

    3. Re:In case you didn't catch all ten by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Wristwatches - Not a chance. I've tried doing it since my last watch broke, but have hated it the entire time. Can't wait until I can get the inclination to go find a new watch.

      What you're telling me is that, for the time being, the mobile phone is replacing the watch. My watch has broken, and I love it (it's a classic Seiko from the 1980s - nothing very expensive, but it suits me - or so I thought) but I've gone over 2 years without feeling bothered enough to get it fixed.

  47. There's an app for that . . . by wrencherd · · Score: 1

    . . .wristwatches are . . . a symbol of status and of self-expression.

    Which is why everyone who wears one nowadays comes across as an insecure realtor or con-artist.

    You think your iPhone is going to get you laid... or any serious street cred?.

    I beg to differ; most of the people who I know who have iPhones say that it gets them screwed every month.

    As for "cred", there's an app for that, isn't there?

    1. Re:There's an app for that . . . by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      I beg to differ; most of the people who I know who have iPhones say that it gets them screwed every month.

      They are discussing AT&T, not their sex life.

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    2. Re:There's an app for that . . . by wrencherd · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ; most of the people who I know who have iPhones say that it gets them screwed every month.

      They are discussing AT&T, not their sex life.

      Note to self: "jk" is NOT always implied.

    3. Re:There's an app for that . . . by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      insecure realtor or con-artist.

      Wait, that confused me.

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  48. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what they WANT you to believe!

  49. Calculators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely the calculator is the obvious item for a phone to replace.

    Lets face it, a normal phone these days can do anything a normal calculator can, while the more complex stuff could probably be thrown into an iPhone ap already, and if not soon will be.

    1. Re:Calculators? by captjc · · Score: 1

      Normal Calculator, yes. But they can have my TI-89, Voyage 200, TI-86, and HP-50g when they pry them from MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

      Now, where is my sliderule...

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    2. Re:Calculators? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Now, where is my sliderule...

      Mine is on my watch.

  50. I own the largest wiss army knife they sell by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and I still own pliers, files, screwdrivers, a corkscrew, etc., etc. The second part of the saying is "Master of None"

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    1. Re:I own the largest wiss army knife they sell by santax · · Score: 1

      Dude... I also own a swiss knife and since I bought it, I sold my tools, my car, my explosives and my house. I did buy all episodes of MacGyver though.

    2. Re:I own the largest wiss army knife they sell by dwye · · Score: 1

      > Dude... I also own a swiss knife and since I bought it, I
      > sold my tools, my car, my explosives and my house. I did
      > buy all episodes of MacGyver though.

      Where do you keep your duct tape, then?

  51. Article is a fluff piece. by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    TFA listed only the obvious stuff.

    What about: Cash, credit cards, tickets, ID cards, wallets, keys, remote controls, maps, compasses, GPS devices, eBook readers, books, newspapers, flashlights, USB drives and other portable media, calculators, dictionaries, calenders, scanners of all kinds, road signs, ballot-boxes, stereo systems, video cameras, microphones, VCR/DVD players, TiVos, computer mice, laser pointers, thermometers, the box of your desktop computer, physical pictures, receipts, coupons, fliers, brochures, menus, projectors, etc.

    And this is only the technologically easy stuff. Some of it already obsolete in places like Japan.

  52. Ditto by DoctorNathaniel · · Score: 1

    This is my own personal pet peeve.

    And don't give me the 'language is evolving' line. This isn't about language evolving, it's about the users of the language devolving.

    It's perfectly acceptable to say that it 'raises the question 'or 'asks the question' or 'slams its fists on the table demanding an answer to the question' but begging the question means to simply re-ask the question. You never want to beg the question. The question will tell you to go get a job, hippie.

    ---Nathaniel, shouldn't drink beer before posting.

    1. Re:Ditto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't about language evolving, it's about the users of the language devolving.

      Ironic that you would say that, when it is, in fact, about language evolving. Your post begs the question, just how many beers have you had today?

  53. 11) answering machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is the last time you've seen someone fiddle with an answering machine? Maybe in some action movies released between 1985 and 2000.

    I thought of this after noticing that only 2 of the 10 items in TFA had to do with actually talking or listening to someone one on one.

    1. Re:11) answering machines by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it wasn't the mobile phone what killed the answering machine. Voice mail, on land lines, did that years ago.

  54. I hope nobody got paid for writing that. by dswensen · · Score: 1

    I love the tail end of this dross:

    "What do maps, dictionaries and novels have in common? They're all printed on paper and they can be heavy, expensive and difficult to access."

    Digital smartphones: cheaper than a map or novel!

    Twee, useless article.

  55. Quality doesn't matter by AlXtreme · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter how good the picture is. This is the point many a photographer forgets when it comes to phone cameras.

    It's about being able to get an acceptable picture without having to carry a camera with you. It's about being able to know the time without wearing a watch. It's about being able to set an alarm or add a quick note without needing a separate PDA. It's about being able to check your e-mail without having to carry around a laptop.

    Quality doesn't matter, as long as it is good enough to get the job done. I for one like being able to leave my camera at home and still being able to make a quick shot if the occasion arises. Nobody is going to compare them to shots taken with a SLR, and that's perfectly fine.

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    1. Re:Quality doesn't matter by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      All good and fine but not evidence that the non-phone devices will be obsolete or replaced.

  56. there a app for that by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    there a app for that

  57. Form Factor by izomiac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mobile phones can replace a lot of things, but some will persist because they require a specific form factor. Wristwatches, gaming devices, movie players, and paper won't be going away. A mobile phone may emulate them, and that works in a pinch, but these items have a unique shape that augments their function. For a wristwatch it stays on your wrist, for a gaming device it's gaming controls, for a movie player it's a decently large screen, and paper is paper. A cell phone too has a specific form that is necessary for functionality. Blue tooth headsets might alleviate that need, but you'd still need two devices so why bother?

  58. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sooo . . . which cell phone company do you work for?

  59. Not handheld game consoles by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    The one thing that determines how good a handheld game console is the quality of the controller. For instance, it's impossible to play console-style games on a PDA keypad, or a touch screen. You need an honest-to-god D-PAD or Analog stick and buttons to play console-style games. That's why the Game Boy and Nintendo DS hasn't been displaced already.

    You just can't play Super Mario Bros on an iPhone.

    1. Re:Not handheld game consoles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just can't play Super Mario Bros on an iPhone.

      Sure you can. It'll suck, but it can be done.

  60. Pockets are just plain convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [X] Convenient. Comes with your pants or shirt, so they're with you nearly all the time!
    [X] You can get them dirt cheap--usually free with purchase of a pair of jeans!
    [X] One for left and one for right. Two sides, two pockets, 1 awesome invention!
    [X] If they get rained on a bit, big deal. Most are water-resistant.
    [X] It's harder to steal a pair of pants than a cell phone!
    [X] It's harder to forget your pockets at work, home or wherever than cell phones.
    [X] I might be convinced to buy a CowboyNeal pocket, but never a CowboyNeal cellphone.

    Honestly, just stick your phone in your pocket, and problem solved! It's not exactly a huge task to take your phone out.

    1. Re:Pockets are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Honestly, just stick your phone in your pocket, and problem solved! It's not exactly a huge task to take your phone out.

      Is that a cellphone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

      You're not supposed to have the antenna of the cell phone that close to your body. The phone has to boost its strength to maintain contact with the tower (even when you're not talking on the phone, it's talking to the tower). Also, if you have anything metallic (keys, coins), same situation. I got a low-grade burn from my first cell phone that way.

    2. Re:Pockets are just plain convenient by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Would your first cellphone be using a different tech from current phones?

      I remember the first ones were rather huge and they used a different range of frequencies.

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    3. Re:Pockets are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Nope - this was a Motorola v60 gsm. You're not supposed to keep any antenna in direct contact with, or within 1.5 cm of, your body. Just one of many search results.

      Warning: Don't carry your cell phone in your pocket

      Radiation exposure guidelines have been established by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Some cell phone manufacturers post a warning to consumers that phones should only be used with an approved body-worn accessory (a holster), often supplied by the manufacturer (at additional cost). The reason for the required use of a holster is that if the cell phone isn't kept a certain distance away from your body, you may be exposed to radiation exceeding FCC guidelines.

      This warning is supposed to appear in the documentation that comes with each cell phone. It is in the 'fine print' of the user manual packaged with most cell phones. Is it in yours?

      It's important to take the time to look.

      There's a lot more information, including a link to the FCC site so you can find out what your phone's SAR (Standard Absorption Rate) is.

    4. Re:Pockets are just plain convenient by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I think the actual risk isn't that bad. I don't make calls while keeping my phone in my pocket. And the exposure is quite limited even for inbound calls - you don't have the phone active in your pocket for minutes.

      It's the holding the phone next to my head for a few minutes (or longer) to talk that worry me more.

      Because it is very obvious that the phone transmits a lot more power when it's handling phone conversations, than when it's just idling about in your pocket.

      1) the batteries run down much faster. Very much faster. Most phone standby times are measured in days, whereas the talk time is measured in hours.
      2) there's more interference (just hold it next to a PC speaker, then compare the interference when it's idle, making a call or sending/receiving a message).

      If you're in a habit of leaving your phone in your pocket while talking with a wireless hands-free, then you'd probably be cooking those lower parts ( as opposed to cooking your head).

      Of course, if your phone is faulty and running out of juice really fast, then all bets are off...

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    5. Re:Pockets are just plain convenient by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      If you're in a habit of leaving your phone in your pocket while talking with a wireless hands-free, then you'd probably be cooking those lower parts ( as opposed to cooking your head).

      That's one of the new problems with bluetooth headsets - guys will leave the phone in their pocket, and their exposure will exceed the recommended SAR level on a regular basis. This is one area where women have the advantage - purses are so much more convenient, and in this case, safer.

  61. Wrong on many points. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    I think we have a foolish view of obsolescence, where, something new comes along that is completely better and replaces the thing that was before it. Technological advance is really a sort of a specialization, where the new thing improves on some fraction of tasks the old thing did. While one computer might make the old one completely obsolete, hardware wise, in software, there really hasn't been so much in sweeping replacement. UTF-8 might be more international than ASCII, but ASCII is still cheaper to work with if you are an American only firm, so, there's a niche for ASCII.

    Its silly to say that cell phones will replace hand game consoles. As cell phones evolve, so too will game consoles, and, a joystick is an entirely different thing than what most cells have. There's money involved. Even if it could theoretically be done, the moment somebody puts 3d graphics in a cell phone, somebody else's cell phone will get that much cheaper and so even 3d graphics won't be quite so universal or maybe there will be another trade-off - simpler graphics for longer battery life. And, handheld consoles will have bigger screens.

    Cell phone cameras have some hard physical limits to get up against. You need to have decent lenses...

    Reading a book on a cell phone screen seems to be a terrible screen. I'd think I'd rather have a larger screen that I might not carry around as often but can still move around the house or in the car without too much hastle, kinda like a kindle

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  62. Pavlovian conditioning by imhennessy · · Score: 1
    The other great thing about a watch is that I don't look quite as stupid when I look at my watch every time I have to think about time. I look at my watch as a sort of self hypnosis. It signals my brain to think in terms of time, even when the time involved was never registered against my watch, or is on a scale which does not register on my watch.

    Truthfully, for a couple of years I wasn't wearing watches, and I'd still look at my wrist to think about time.

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  63. The 11th thing is... by adosch · · Score: 1

    Being attached to a piece of technology at the hip where I can still get hampered with 'the-sky-is-falling' on-call calls when I'm *not* on-call, people I don't feel like talking to me can annoying me with phone calls/txts that I have to take the time to silence, my flip/touch-phone device for a bordem-killer to the point that it takes two years off it's design worth, knowing what time is ANY time of the day (it's actually nice not to keep track of time once in a while), yet another device I have to carry around with me besides my netbook/ipod/work-laptop/gps, etc. (unless you're an uber-UBER power phone user, I don't agree WTFA on that one totally), never knowing anyone's phone number anymore (leaves you dead in the water, especially when you leave your cell phone at home by accident), substituting nice, quality memorable photos from a good, quality digital camera for 1MP squashed ones, loosing total track of your walking and ability to dogde solid objects when trying to answer that important txt msg while on run or in the car (I've seen people almost kill themselves to fulfill that 160 character impulse). The list can go on and on... It's a mere trade-off for the extra added stress is causes us IMHO.

  64. They have made vibrators obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I set the phone on vibrate mode, clamp it between my butt cheeks and set Skype to auto dial.

  65. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You: http://www.xkcd.com/610/

  66. Still Obsolete by tetsukaze · · Score: 1

    Its true that people will keep wearing watches but just as jewelry. Their function in slowly being replaced by a more useful device. Some people wear glasses because they think they look good, not because their eyes are bad,

    1. Re:Still Obsolete by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Why does your jewlery have to have complex gears and a face with hands?

      Why not just wear gold and diamonds, if it's simply an object of materialism or "bling", as it were?

      Doesn't seem to make sense to me.

  67. cell phones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One other thing that will be made obsolete.

    Mobile Phones.

    The replacement can best be referred to as an 'aid' or personal device

  68. Re:I found a 12th thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #12: It makes you conveniently forget that language evolves over time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question#Modern_usage

  69. I disagree... by XPeter · · Score: 1

    I wear a watch. On occasion I use a public phone (When my battery dies). I have a real alarm clock. I carry around my IPod I always use the home phone when Im not out (excluding txting) Digital cameras I can agree with to an extent - Pictures with friends, ect. But not for real photography. I love my Acer Aspire 1410, it does many things my Blackberry Tour doesn't. My DS is my life. Paper and thinking................... The author needs to be fired.

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  70. Watches.... by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

    The article author claims to not know anyone who wears a watch.

    I haven't noticed really, but in my circles I think most everyone wears a watch.

    I have a box full of watches myself, from a $10 Casio (analog, not digital) that keeps fantastic time - truly amazing - to a "OMG what did you spend on that" from my wife.

    It's darn hard to subtly slip your phone out of your pocket and check the time in a meeting. A little flick of the wrist with your hand in your lap, on the other hand....

    And the converse is true, too. Nothing says "shut up and get to it" like pointedly looking at your watch.

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  71. Handheld Gaming Still Has Some Years Left by aplusjimages · · Score: 1

    iPhone can't touch the DS. Nintendo still sells almost half a million units every month and it's been that way for years. I still carry my DS with me because my cell can't do the games that my DS can. And it's an industry issue. How do you get Nintendo to give up their IP onto someone elses cellphone/gaming device? Mario is theirs to keep.

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  72. Credit to Douglas Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Humans are a curious species who still think that digital watches are a good idea.

  73. I don't want to go all 64k here but... by oljanx · · Score: 1

    The cellphone will never replace cameras, net books, hand held game consoles, paper or thinking. You'll never be able to pack the quality of a high end Camera, the form factor of a netbook, the interface of a game console, the durability of a paper document, or (wtf) thinking into a cellphone.

  74. At this rate! by Vexorian · · Score: 1
    At this rate , the day is close when we'll finally have a cell phone that can make phone calls!

    Wristwatches - Want to know what time it is? Most people have given up on wearing a watch and simply use their mobile phone's clock

    Are these people retarded? My watch's battery last years. I wouldn't rely on my cell phones completely random 1 hour to 2 days battery for this.

    Bedside alarm clocks

    I don't use alarms of any kind. But unrelaible battery would make me avoid cell phones like the plague for this mission.

    netbooks

    Is the author on crack? The first 7 inches netbooks failed because both the screen and the keyboard were too small to be of practical use. I can't picture people wanting a rectangular cell phone with a 10 inches diagonal...

    Paper

    This one will get replaced by netbooks.

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    1. Re:At this rate! by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      PS: Even if I had a magic cell phone with a 2 years lasting battery, it would still be stupid to have to take cell phone out of pocket just to figure what time is it...

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    2. Re:At this rate! by Arlet · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a wristwatch for many years, and I rarely miss it. Whenever I need to know the time, there's usually a clock nearby. After I got a cellphone, I've been using that to tell the time if there's no clock in sight, which is usually not more than once a day. If I forget to charge the phone, I'll survive without it.

  75. TFA gets four out of ten by ffflala · · Score: 1

    The mobile phone replaced the following for me years ago, in this order:

    landlines
    wristwatches
    bedside alarm clocks
    mp3 players

    At this point phones might serve as backups for cameras, netbooks, and handheld gaming consoles, but the idea of replacing them by convergence into one item ignores that each of those items has a specialized and BIGGER type of form factor to enhance functionality in ways that counter that of a phone.

    While phoneboxes are on their way out, there will probably be some functional replacement along the lines of a pay-per-use public cell station because the need will probably not entirely disappear. As common as phones are, some people sometime are going to need to use a phone, won't have one, and won't be able to borrow one at that moment. Computer kiosks already outnumber phone booths in international airports as it is.

    TFA almost made it through without getting cliche, but then it had to go and include paper. Didn't we already learn this from the dead-wrong paperless office predictions? Phone technology is not even fractionally as mature as paper technology.

  76. Where are the frickin flying cars? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    I find most predictions like this extrapolate a technology and start solving problems that we don't have. Flying cars are a great example. What problem do they solve that is worth the effort vs. what problems they create? So a great prognosticator would answer a much more interesting problem. Ten things that will make the mobile phone obsolete? And tell me this in the middle of a wave of cell phone innovation. Keep in mind that the medium is the message. So while so many companies try to create ebooks with eInk you must ask yourself. Is it that people want electronic books with eInk or is that we want information available to us? (a book being the best storage solution until recently) I have an Sony PRS and it is fine for some things but for many books I much prefer an audiobook to paper or eInk. A map I want on my iPhone, some lectures I want in video others audio. But these preferences are being shaped by the technology; not some pre-existing desire to have audio books or whatnot. Audiobooks now fit nicely on my iPhone but reading a book on the iPhone is nearly useless. Quickly flipping through eInk is nearly impossible at this point and thinks like magazines are very flip friendly. But a slight change in eBooks or iPhones capability could wildly shape how I want my information. An ebook with limited video capability might be cool but beyond a few animations in science textbooks I would think it would be a deadend. People are demanding annotation capability for eBooks but when was the last time you annotated a Spy Thriller? Basically what I am trying to point out is that something as simple as the lowly book could end up heading in many directions with just the technology on today's table. I would be loathe to predict the book's future in even 5 years. The cellphone is a much more hydra technology than books so who knows where it could possibly go?

  77. Doorbells by Safiiru · · Score: 1

    Have you ever visited someone who lives in an apartment and not had a phone on you? Do this often enough and you've quickly get sick of buzzer systems that have evidently been broken for months or years, intercoms that require you to punch in a code that the person you're visiting didn't think to give you (and may not even know), and, in some cases, buildings that lack per-apartment doorbells entirely.

  78. The previous commentors are idiots by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People, people, this debate is very simple and obvious.

    For any given electronic device of a given size and cost, a specialty device will always do a better job than a generalist device. A portable ipod is (slightly) better than an iphone. A portable game player such as a PSP or DS is also better than an iphone. Handheld GPS systems, same story. A watch is a better time keeping device than a cell phone, with more time related features. A compact digital camera with a bigger lens is much better than the camera in a phone. And so on and so forth.

    But the point is, for MOST users 99% of the time, the inferior function on your cell phone, especially a cutting edge phone like the iphone or the Droid DOES THE JOB. You only lose a few seconds pulling your phone out rather than looking at your watch. The pictures taken by the camera on the iphone or droid are more than sharp enough for posting to a resolution limited site like facebook. The iphone has a fairly good GPU, and many small and creative 2d games work great on it, so it's almost as entertaining as the PSP or DS. The GPS may be a little fuzzy, but it's usually close enough to find your way around. And so on.

    So, the inferiority of the phone's functions are nearly always MASSIVELY OUTWEIGHED by the fact that you only carry ONE device rather than a whole batman belt worth of them. Size and weight and convenience means that for 99% of users, it's easier and cheaper just to buy a smartphone and use it exclusively for all of the above functions.

    1. Re:The previous commentors are idiots by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Your post pretty much nails this discussion. For the vast majority of situations, the cell phone is perfectly adequate. For the minority of the population who need more functionality, they buy the separate device, and live with the extra cost and inconvenience. It's a simple trade-off. The professional photographer buys an SLR camera, the hardcore gamer buys a hand-held gaming system. For the rest of us, one device that's always in our pocket does everything perfectly well.

    2. Re:The previous commentors are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your points are not valid. iPod Touch is exactly the same as iPhone. Specialized GPS devices just plain suck and gaming is more fun with iPhone. Go figure. Your statement about watches must be a bad joke.

    3. Re:The previous commentors are idiots by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      However, most people focus only on the functions-to-number ratio (how many functions per device I get). The probem with that is that the functions-to-price ratio is ignored. While a cutting edge smartphone will do a lot of things for me, it will also carry a hideous price tag. One could argue that equivalents of today's 700 USD phone will be available for 70 USD in ten years but I doubt that - Bluetooth is a good example of how technology is used to enable price discrimination. A BT chipset and the appropriate licensing makes a phone only very slightly more expensive to manufacture, yet it's very rarely found in phones for less than 100 USD.

      It's going to be like that with smartphones. In 10 years, a smartphone will still be five times as expensive as an average mobile phone. Not because it's so expensive to manufacture but because they can get away with it. And that means it's most likely still more expensive than just buying specialist devices for everything - especially if it's coupled to some kind of mandatory plan.

      This might not mean much with people who don't have to worry about spending 500+ USD on a device but there are plenty of people who can't afford that luxury. If one's expendable income runs to 100 USD/month one simply can't buy a smartphone and thus won't replace much cheaper specialist devices with it.

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    4. Re:The previous commentors are idiots by MobyTurbo · · Score: 1

      So, the inferiority of the phone's functions are nearly always MASSIVELY OUTWEIGHED by the fact that you only carry ONE device rather than a whole batman belt worth of them. Size and weight and convenience means that for 99% of users, it's easier and cheaper just to buy a smartphone and use it exclusively for all of the above functions.

      It may save you from wearing a batman-belt, but it's not cheaper to get a smartphone. Most require a data plan which over 2 years' contractual time is more expensive than most general purpose laptops, much less than all of those devices put together. Even if you get an unlocked phone, and are in a sane location where the GSM carriers haven't screwed up their 3g networks, it's still more than an mp3 player, point and shoot camera, internet tablet, and watch combined. The only reason why I have one is because I like having "always on" internet and getting the same thing for a computer is nearly as expensive anyway.

  79. cb/ham radio by v1 · · Score: 1

    cell phone proliferation has already all but wiped CB radio off the map. And it's making ham radio less and less useful. But I suppose it's still the only reliable communications in disaster areas. (katrina etc where towers and grid power were down)

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  80. Rape whistle by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    The most important societal change that the cell phone has brought is freedom of travel for women. As a result, the rape whistle has been obsoleted. You can hypothesize all you want about reaction times for the whistle vs. the phone, but empirically speaking, the rape whistle popular in the 1990's is nowhere to be seen in the new millenium.

  81. It's ALL about ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all about the consolidation of power.

    Get a society addicted to, uh, I mean, using a perceived essential technology, and then turn it off, when those with a master off switch want control.

    It's painfully obvious, and most of you jump right in, because, "Awwwww, that would never happen here".

  82. Begs that the question X be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree as to what the term originally meant but would argue that the definition is changing into "There is a question that is begging to be asked and that question is ...".

    I also agree that this change in definition is due to a lack of education, but is a logical inference of the meaning of the term.
    It is the same inference technique that causes people to ask "Why is it called a hamburger if it has no ham". We know how the English language works, but we don't know the origin of "hamburger". We assume it is a compound word, like "raincoat", and that "ham" is the modifier of the root word "burger".
    The truth is that a Hamburg-er is a type of food from the German city of Hamburg, the same way the frankfurter is a type of food from Frankfurt, Germany.

  83. Don't entirely agree with TFA by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    The article has some good points, and I agree with most of their predictions, but not all. First, paper. Mobile phones will never make paper obsolete. The only thing that could *possibly* make paper (as we know it) obsolete is electronic paper. Any device small enough to be considered a mobile phone is too small to replace paper, plain and simple. Same thing goes for netbooks. If mobile phones were going to replace netbooks, netbooks would never have happened. Mobile phones already have everything to offer that could possibly make them a replacement for netbooks (prime example, LG env Touch), and yet netbooks are still selling like mad. It's because netbooks hit that perfect balance between usability and portability. They're small enough to put in just about any bag, yet big enough to (relatively) easily type on, and have a screen that's just large enough to properly display things like websites. Again, mobile phones are just too small for this. I also don't see phones truly replacing portable game consoles - there's a lot to be said for a discrete d-pad, shoulder buttons, etc. You can only do so much with a touch screen, no matter how good it is. And as for thinking... gosh I hope not.

    But for the rest, yeah it's already happened for me.

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  84. Number 11 by PPH · · Score: 1

    Staying in your own $%&$^%(* lane while driving.

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  85. OK, OK by jipn4 · · Score: 1

    Stop shouting, I can hear you. I'll get off your lawn.

  86. Rechargeable devices have a monthly fee by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm 26 and still like making notes on what I'm reading during a meeting. I also go to the physical library for paper books

    You can't full-text search a library book, nor can you jot notes in it. Electronic books allow for both: the computer can generate an exhaustive index before you're done reading the first page, and the notes can be stored separately from the text, each section of the notes referring to a section of the text.

    I [...] refuse to pay a monthly fee for my mp3 player with apps.

    Your iPod Touch or Archos 5 probably has a lithium battery. Lithium batteries have a finite shelf life, and the replacement every couple years is indistinguishable from a monthly fee. Granted, this fee is less than the fee for battery + phone service, but it's still present.

    1. Re:Rechargeable devices have a monthly fee by c_sd_m · · Score: 1

      You can't full-text search a library book, nor can you jot notes in it. Electronic books allow for both: the computer can generate an exhaustive index before you're done reading the first page, and the notes can be stored separately from the text, each section of the notes referring to a section of the text.

      I'm taking it you're not a kinesthetic learner? Half the usefulness of taking notes for me is in taking them. I'll remember better than if I never look at them again. But I do need to put some effort into a filing system for those I will want or at least use single logbook. I also happen to be better at remembering about where a section was in a book and flipping to it than coming up with a search term. To each his own.

      Your iPod Touch or Archos 5 probably has a lithium battery. Lithium batteries have a finite shelf life, and the replacement every couple years is indistinguishable from a monthly fee. Granted, this fee is less than the fee for battery + phone service, but it's still present.

      It's far less than the monthly fee for a data plan in Canada (~$50, nearly the cost of a new battery each month) and it assumes I keep using the device past the life of the battery. That's almost $2000 over a typical 3 year contract. There's also no reason I would amortize the cost of the batter over the lifetime. Why not see it as a cost incurred once each few years if I decide it's worth getting it running again? I'm not claiming it on my taxes so I don't amortize the purchase price either. It's the sneaky recurring fees that gradually get increased (cable, cell phone, ...) that I try to avoid.

    2. Re:Rechargeable devices have a monthly fee by bigngamer92 · · Score: 1

      You can't full-text search a library book, nor can you jot notes in it.

      This is the feature I'm looking forward to most. Being able to write a paper and just ctrl+f (or whatever button they have) for a particular quote in a novel would be awesome.

    3. Re:Rechargeable devices have a monthly fee by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      Given the state of some library books I've borrowed, I think you're wrong on the lack of note jotting.

  87. Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...ten things mobile phones will make obsolete [...] See also Isaac Asimov's The Feeling of Power.

    An article about gadgets obsoleting other gadgets is making you think of *that* Asimov story? Honestly? My luddite grandma likes technology more than you guys do.

  88. A brief rebuttal by mmmmbeer · · Score: 1

    Phone boxes - People have been predicting the demise of these for a long time now, ever since cell phones first became mainstream. I think it is possible, although I think the big phone companies will fight this, if only because they want to feel important.

    Wristwatches - Not a chance. The convenience of having the time on your arm will never be replaced by something you have to pull out of a pocket/purse/holster. The relative inexpensiveness of watches makes it easy to have one in addition to your phone, so there will continue to be a market.

    Bedside alarm clocks - Again, no way. No matter how good an alarm clock app might get, it will never match a simple bedside alarm. People who use their phones as alarms are doing it for the novelty, not because it is the best thing for the job. Like wristwatches, the low cost will keep alarm clocks around.

    MP3 players - Ok, this one I agree with.

    Landline home phones - I would agree, except I know too many people who are uncomfortable with the idea of giving this up. I've also found that a cellphone often doesn't make a good replacement for a family phone. I think over time the landline may give way more and more to voip, but not cellphones.

    Compact digital cameras - Yeah, probably.

    Netbooks - I'm still not convinced there's a significant market for these anyway.

    Handheld games consoles - No way. While casual gaming on phones will definitely take a bite out of the market, more serious games will still require a dedicated device. Phones will never have the right controls for gaming without seriously interfering with their use as a phone.

    Paper - Are you retarded?

    Thinking - I'll take that as a "Yes."

  89. Battery runs out huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author poignantly concludes that while it's great to have so much power at our fingertips it does mean that some of us will rely on mobile phones for even basic mental tasks, which is great until the battery runs out.

    I've noticed a similar problem with people, they work great until they run out of food, water, or even air. Even worse, if you don't supply them fast enough they permanently brick themelves. Total bummer.

  90. Everything iDon't, Droid does. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then there's the fact that phones are horribly locked down

    Android phones, not so much.

    as well as incompatible with PCs. Hopefully at some point in the future we'll be able to buy a phone that basically is a PC, running the same OS and software.

    Linux PDA runs Linux; I guess "some point in the future" means "as soon as the case molds get back from China". Sure, Pandora has an ARM CPU, but porting source code originally developed on x86 to ARM is no big feat. Or were you referring to non-free x86-only applications published by Microsoft and Adobe?

    1. Re:Everything iDon't, Droid does. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      A different CPU isn't a fundamental problem, but it needs to be transparent for users (e.g., fat binaries that can run on both) and tools available for both developers to easily create such things. Most people have better things to do than port an application just to get it to work, if they even have the skills. And yes, Linux is great, a large proportion of the market would like to run Windows, just as they like to on desktops, laptops and netbooks, myself included.

      I don't care if software is non-free - I'm not RMS, I'd like a platform that can run whatever software I want, whatever its licence. That's the freedom I want.

      Pandora looks great, but is it a phone? I thought it was just a handheld, which therefore just makes smaller than a netbook, but isn't an example of a phone anyway. The issue was about whether phones will make netbooks obsolete.

    2. Re:Everything iDon't, Droid does. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Most people have better things to do than port an application just to get it to work, if they even have the skills.

      That's the job of the package maintainer for your distribution, as long as the software is free. I mentioned free software because it has the advantage of any fan being able to port the application. You don't, but if enough people use it, someone likely has.

      I'd like a platform that can run whatever software I want, whatever its licence.

      That won't happen because different companies have conflicting licenses with an exclusive hardware clause. For example, Wii games may run only on Nintendo hardware, Xbox 360 games may run only on Microsoft hardware, and Mac OS X may run only on Apple hardware.

      Pandora looks great, but is it a phone?

      Any device that 1. has a microphone, a speaker, a CPU, and a Wi-Fi radio, and 2. isn't specifically locked against VoIP by the device's manufacturer like the Nintendo DS series, becomes a phone when you are at a hotspot. True, it won't operate on a GSM network, but neither will a "CDMA" device. Besides, I mentioned in my other post that Android phones are not locked down.

  91. Answering e-mail offline by tepples · · Score: 1

    using a mobile is the only way to answer my email on my way to work.

    Download your e-mail at one end of the ride, go into offline mode, answer the e-mails, queue up the outgoing messages, and empty the queue into a mail server the next time you get WLAN. Such a work flow was incredibly common in the dial-up era. Or is your position such that answering your e-mail necessarily involves looking things up on the web?

    1. Re:Answering e-mail offline by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Download your e-mail at one end of the ride, go into offline mode, answer the e-mails, queue up the outgoing messages, and empty the queue into a mail server the next time you get WLAN. Such a work flow was incredibly common in the dial-up era.

      Well there's two problems with that. One is that I don't get *that* much email that it takes me a solid 45 minutes to go through it all, so when I'm done with email I still wouldn't be able to get any work done. (I work in web analytics, so there's very little I can do without a connection.)

      Secondly, the email traffic doesn't really start to pick up until I'm already on-route, meaning if I replied off-line I'd probably end up replying to out-dated threads and looking like an idiot.

      Or is your position such that answering your e-mail necessarily involves looking things up on the web?

      That too.

      And more to the point, fucking Sound Transit advertises that they have wifi installed on their trains, don't you think it's their responsibility to make it actually WORK? Even worse, it works well enough to make my computer think it's going to work, then just drops all the connections.

      (BTW: if you test network-aware software, PLEASE test it on a network like this. It's amazing how many programs simply can't cope... just because the OS says I have an Internet connection doesn't mean the packets go anywhere.)

  92. Symbol of status by this+great+guy · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Expensive watches or sunglasses are like jewelry. The functional purpose they serve --providing time or protecting eyes-- are only secondary to their primary purpose of being a symbol of status.

  93. Console-style gaming on PCs is chicken and egg by tepples · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The gaming one is BS ... we still have game systems even with computers that are pretty much the exact same thing.

    Except computers aren't pretty much the same as consoles. For one thing, PCs tend to come with underpowered Intel graphics, no SDTV output (without an obscure adapter), and no HDMI output, so they're not often connected to TV-size monitors. (Yet.) Because the typical PC monitor isn't big enough for four players to fit around, there aren't a lot of major-label games that support four players holding USB gamepads. And because there aren't a lot of games designed for HTPCs, HTPC makers tend to spec their products for noninteractive video playback and not gaming. One way to solve this chicken and egg is for PC makers to switch from Intel graphics to NVIDIA graphics, as Apple did in a recent revision to its Wii-sized Mac mini.

    Laptops will likely kill netbooks as battery life improves.... there will be a variety of sizes that's all.

    The difference between a netbook and a laptop isn't as much a difference of hardware as one of software licensing. Microsoft provides deep discounts on copies of its non-free Windows operating system for use on ultra-low-cost PCs as long as hardware specs stay below a certain threshold.

  94. Will that be the iPod Touch or the monthly fee? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Apple made the iphone because they saw the death of the dedicated player.

    Not everybody wants a voice and data plan that costs $60 per month in the United States; some people like myself can do most of their voice on a land-line at home or at work and most of their data on Wi-Fi. Apple realized this and made a phoneless version of the iPhone called the iPod Touch. The only monthly fee on an iPod Touch is a couple dollars per month toward replacement of its lithium battery.

    The DS will be the last generation of dedicated handhelds

    Not all parents who want to buy a video game system for a child in elementary school want to buy a phone and commit to a 24-month voice and data plan.

  95. Ten More by qeorqe · · Score: 1

    10. car phone
    9. flashlight (torch)
    8. sun dial
    7. singing telegram
    6. level
    5. vibrator
    4. paper weight
    3. slide rule
    2. hammer
    1. rock

  96. The only thing it obsoleted: by keiofh · · Score: 1

    Was payphones, i can think of plenty of reasons to have separate versions of each one. Point and shoots still run circles around anything a cellphone can do. It's still a question of lens size/image sensor. The big thing with these all-in-one phones, is that when your cellphone breaks or encounters a problem, everything breaks. That and when better components come out (mp3s, cameras) happen, you don't need to worry about upgrading everything or being left behind.

  97. Halo on a PS3? Not unless it's Nine Inch Nails. by tepples · · Score: 1

    But I am not going to get the last Mario RPG game on the iPhone

    Nor are you going to get games in the Halo series on a PLAYSTATION®3. The root of your complaint isn't that iPod Touch and iPhone aren't suitable for gaming as much as that Apple isn't a first-party video game developer.

    1. Re:Halo on a PS3? Not unless it's Nine Inch Nails. by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      No, my point isn't first party. I'll take a deep game where ever I can find one. It's that these games are not really possible on a phone with no buttons.

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  98. Nano/Classic != Touch by tepples · · Score: 1

    This comment indicates that dancingmad prefers an iPod Nano or iPod Classic to an iPod Touch.

  99. Continental Canada by tepples · · Score: 1

    Increasingly, cell phone companies are treating calls to continental Canada the same as calls to the continental US.

  100. Cell phones will also replace by WizzardX · · Score: 1

    Pepper sprays and other crime deterrents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7x1aic74Mg

  101. Moddable local multiplayer games? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Here's an example: http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/original/2009/11/mw2_vergleich_1.jpg

    "No deeplinking please!" Would you please link to the HTML page in which you found this screenshot?

    Consoles have advantages over PC, and vice versa.

    Consoles' advantage is local multiplayer (four gamepads, one TV). PC's advantages are mods and indie games. People who want a local multiplayer game with mods, or indie developers who want to develop a local multiplayer game, are screwed as far as I can tell.

    1. Re:Moddable local multiplayer games? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      In theory, you can hook up to 127 gamepads to a PC (one per usb port), and almost all graphics cards made in the last few years (even my old Geforce 4MX) have TV-Out ports.
      I play Pro Evolution Soccer and many emulators with my brother and friends.

  102. Wristwatches for cooking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously most Slashdotters here don't cook more than nuking a hotpocket in a microwave.

    Anyone who cooks, needs a watch (besides a timer) so you can keep several things timed. Best is a diving watch (rotating bezel) that doesn't mind water. Note Guy Fieri from Food Network often wears a Seiko Orange Monster diving watch in his shows, Alton Brown has IIRC a Bulova Diving watch.

    Besides being beautiful, watches help you time (multiple) dishes. They are (because they are specialized) far more useful (particularly analog watches) for not just telling time but estimating at a glance how much time is left before the next appointment, etc. A good quality watch can be had for reasonable amounts, will last quite long, and tell time quite well, and as noted be an acceptable piece of jewelry for men that instantly displays status/judgment/personality. For things like diving, or skiing, or any active sports where keeping track of time is important, they are also the only thing acceptable. Analog watches can function in a pinch as work-around compasses in the daytime.

    A point and shoot camera will give you better results than a cell-phone camera, though the ubiquity of cell phone cameras is striking. The Nintendo DS is a better and more enjoyable gaming platform than the IPhone, though the ubiquity of the IPhone is threatening Nintendo sales.

    Bottom line, if you cook, or have to get to meetings on time, or duck out of meetings at a certain time, or partake of active sports or outdoor activities, a watch beats the cell phone. So does Nintendo/PSP for gaming, cameras for picture taking, and paper for reading anywhere and any time.

  103. Mobile Gaming by Toonol · · Score: 1

    I'm also skeptical of the idea that phones will put an end to independent gaming devices. For one thing, there has yet to be a phone that is at all adequate for running games on; I know there are games for the iPhone, but the vast majority are hugely hampered by the interface. In gaming, the control interface (buttons, joysticks) are as important as the display. Gamers don't WANT their device any smaller than a DS or PSP; some want it larger.

    In addition, I might let my eight year old son have a DS, but no way in hell is he getting a cellphone.

    I think it might be possible that some future iteration of the DS, PSP, or other console incorporates some VOIP into it's internet link; or perhaps even include full cellular technology. But at that point, is the cell phone replacing the gaming device, or the gaming device replacing the cellphone?

    1. Re:Mobile Gaming by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      All PSP models except the original 1000 series have Skype capability.

  104. skip that last reply by symbolset · · Score: 1
    It was redundant.

    That comma is author's choice. Bite me.

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  105. or the first computer by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    geez, you might have reminded him of the babage machine.

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  106. Yeah, we know this in holland. Vodafone had a major screw up and was out of service for more then a day and a half.

    Light rail service used their GSM network for communication rather then those obsolete radio systems everyone else uses. Result: fewer trams because it wasn't safe to drive a full service.

    Please, tell me again how regular radio which just fucking works is obsolete?

    Oh, and there has NEVER been a disaster big enough to wipe out ALL landline services, completly.

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    1. Re:HA! by v1 · · Score: 1

      The nice thing I will miss is the ability to reach for the mic and just chat with people and catch up on things as you're driving around. And it functions like a party line, and that's an aspect that for the most part hasn't been replaced by cell phones. (tho some now have functionality similar to that, but it's limited) Works like an irc/etc chat room you can use in time that's otherwise not usable while driving so it's a good time saver.

      Also CBs were cheap. $25 at a pawn shop gives you unlimited service for the next several years.

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  107. Re:yep... It depends on where you live. by darkonc · · Score: 1
    It may depend on where you live. If you live in an area with high density population (e.g. much of the east coast) it might take a good bit of work to find someplace with bad enough reception that you will notice that your cell phone isn't telling you the time.

    On the other hand, if you live someplace like the mountainous (and sparsely populated) interior of BC, it can sometimes be pretty easy to find someplace where you just don't get cell phone reception. There are actually a couple of towns in BC that pride themselves on being cell-phone free.

    For my part, even though I've rarely been outside of cell reception in the last decade or so, I've still found a use for the ancient wrist watch. There are various times when it's just not worth the trouble of hunting through my myriad pockets to find my (increasingly) tiny cell phone. A flick of the wrist, and I know what time it is.

    That having been said, I am one of the crowd that uses my cell phone as an alarm clock.

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  108. get yourself a decent armoured phone by fantomas · · Score: 1

    Got an Ericsson R310s 9 years ago, dropped it off scaffolding and all sorts of things. Contacts for the recharging conntection died after 6 years so I replaced it with another one off ebay for £30, this one is three years and counting, multiple soaks, puddles, etc. I believe there's a new branded armoured phone out there, will be my next choice: Sonim S1 http://blog.phoneslimited.co.uk/2009/08/13/landrover-s1-sonim-landrover-phone-review-sonim-s1-review/

  109. It would help ... by Toon+Moene · · Score: 1

    ... if the mobile phone were as inconspicuous as a wrist watch.

    Unfortunately, it's (still ?) a loudmouth that's too large to go unnoticed.

  110. Everything, except calling people by Jaro · · Score: 1

    First off: I have a smartphone, I'm a *nix person, I've been using a Mac since 2006 (great UI) and my phone is a Windows Mobile 6.1 phone .... stupid. I know.

    My phones does everything. But really I only use it for phone calls. Often I get a phone call and I can't get it because the software has crashed and I need to reboot the phone. My old Motorola C115 was perfect. It could only really be used as a phone and never crashed.

    Because I use a Mac I also carry around an iPod Touch (wlan, Apps, iCal, Music, Videos) and because I'm a photographer I still always carry around a "real" camera (Lumix LX3), and I only carry that camera for snapshots. For the "real thing" I carry much heavier gear.

    The only thing I consider removing from this mix is my smartphone. All the other good things are there to stay.

  111. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by martas · · Score: 1

    actually this is a good point. the tighter social networks become (and definitely advanced mobile devices help this process - what with everyone checking FB on their iphones, and all), the less time and need people have to listen to that tiny voice in their head called their brain. it's a signal to noise ratio issue, if you consider a person's own mind the signal, and everything from the outside noise. 200 years ago the average person probably had to make a 3-day horseback trip just to find noise, but today there are 10kW speakers jammed in our ears pumping the mental equivalent of thrash metal.

  112. Digital Convergence by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1

    It's not an issue of one device, the mobile phone, making all the others obsolete, it's digital convergence. All mobile electronic devices are converging. Palm started off with PDAs, Apple started off as MP3 players, others as GPS. However, of those [i]devices[/i] some won't be eliminated the wrist watch as jewellery, the hardline. The phone box is the same, a convergence of emergency phone, broadband hard line, WiFi access point.

    The same thing is happening in the home, the VCR, CD player, DVD player, DVB-T terrestrial receiver, DVB-S satellite receiver, the PVR, web-on-TV, internet television, streaming media. All separates a couple of years ago, increasing evidence of digital convergence.

  113. Re:yep... It depends on where you live. by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    I go out of coverage all the time and my phone still displays the correct time. I have never heard of a phone losing it's time just because it is outside the coverage area, certainly it wont be able to update the time automatically while outside the coverage area but for a phone not to remember the time just seems dodgy. Perhaps it's an American thing because all the phones in Australia keep their time irrespective of the coverage, it's totally unheard of for the clock to need the network.

    I've always used Nokia's but I haven't heard of any other brands forgetting the time, so this is rather interesting.

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  114. Re:Ways cell phones are better than watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. They make calls. Can your watch keep you in touch with your friends over long distances?

    2. They store data. Can your watch help keep you organized by maintaining a list of vital information about the people you interact with daily?

    3. They make calls. Starting to see my point?

    4. They make emergency calls. Can your watch summon life-saving medical attention for you (or anybody else for that matter)?

    5. They can give you directions. Can your watch connect to the GPS satellite network to give you directions?

    6. They play movies/music. Can your watch keep you entertained for more than 10 seconds on a long, trans-continental, flight?

    7. They can link your laptop to the internet. Can your watch pull down all the information you could ever possibly need?

    My point here is that you're comparing apples to atomic bombs - they're very different things, but also very good at what they do. By giving "12 ways watches are better than cell phones," you insinuate cell phones are inferior. Frankly, given the choice of one over the other, I'd take a cell phone any day. Hands down.

  115. Money by inthealpine · · Score: 1

    A savings account is going to be obsolete by the time the mobile cell companies get done with their creative billing.

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  116. "things like that" by airdrummer · · Score: 1

    i thought it was perfectly clear: _things_ == devices, which fabric is not...

  117. Sspecialised vs. crappy by DrYak · · Score: 1

    More generally, I thought the lesson the original iPod taught us was that specialized devices tend to do a much better job than multi-function devices because they allow the UI and features to be specialized for a specific task. Phone cameras, clocks, and other doo-dads are great, but work best as stand-ins for the real thing. They are what you use when you don't have anything better at hand.

    Yup.
    It all boils down to what do you need function for:
    Do you need something special from your alarm clock ? Or will any 2$ electronic cheap crap to the work for you ? If that's the case an phone-embed app will do the same (crappy) work.
    Do you want to play good high quality games ? Or just have something to avoid getting bored while waiting for the bus ? Phones miss the high quality display and sound device (few feature stereo speakers) and specially advanced inputs (most modern phone are limited to touch screens and accelerometers. No tactile feed back as with buttons and sticks). Hardcore players will probably keep their PSP.
    Same with every other few thing on the list.

    Convergent hardware, specially when it has to cope with device size- and battery life- restrictions, is never as good as specialist hardware. On the other hand, phone are ubiquitous and embedding functions may attract the "good enough" crowd.

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  118. Re:#11 --Free Thought. by maxume · · Score: 1

    You ever hear the one about showing instead of telling?

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  119. Wristwatches - No. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps for people that think a quality watch is a 2 dollar walmart special will migrate to their cellphone, but for those of us that still appreciate a quality ( normally mechanical ) timepiece, they will continue to wear a watch.

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  120. PND by mcshicks · · Score: 1

    The Article misses the most obvious thing that phones have already started replacing which is portable network devices, i.e. GPS in the car.

  121. Let's see... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    Phone booths - Still in service in certain environments like on factory or freight terminal premises for intra-premise communication. Unlikely to go away.

    Wristwatches - Extremely unlikely to go away. "Most people" still wear one and most likely will until someone comes up with a mobile phone small enough to always have a glance away without having to hold it.

    Bedside alarm clocks - Possible to replace but they will still stick around because slamming your hand on your phone to activate the snooze function only works a couple times before your break the thing.

    MP3 players - The iPond Shuffle suggests that mobile phones will have to get much smaller if they want to completely take over that segment. In fact, the Compact Flash based player I had aeons ago was much smaller and a fair deal cheaper than even a small MP3-capable mobile today.

    Landline home phones - Because I want my 911 to go down if there's a thunderstorm. Or heavy snowfall. Or just about anything else that might interfere with the operation of the tower. (Before you comment that the telephone mast in front of your house could be knocked down as well, note that in more civilized areas such cables usually run underground.) Sounds just like a dream.

    Compact digital cameras - Why use a 50 USD 5 Mpixel camera if I can use one with the same resolution for five times the price? Why use a 10 MPixel camera for 120 USD when I can pay twice that for half the resolution? Yeah, high-end mobile phones will have to become much cheaper if they want to displace compact digital cameras. Maybe for teenagers who want to take pictures of their latest bingeand are okay with blurry 1 MPixel shots but not for anyone who wants to take holiday pictures, do amaetur photography or create just about anything of any aesthetic value.

    Netbooks - If they come up with a mobile phone with a 10" screen, maybe. Then again, no; nobody would buy that monster. As weird as it may sound, not everyone is content to use a platform with a miniscule screen at an equally miniscule resolution that is unable to run any of the applications they normally use.

    Handheld game consoles - The NGage showed how well that works. The iPhone has more promise but still can't offer what regular portable consoles have to offer. Like a d-pad. Any game that doesn't rely on tilting for movement control (or has no need for movement control at all) feels extremely awakward on the iPhone and adding decent gaming controls is going to destroy its low profile. The "advantage" TFA cites (being able to connect to mobile networks) is no differentiating advantage either: The DSi does it, the PSP Go does it and the Pandora will do it.

    Paper - Erm, no. Maybe they will take a bite out of print media (although I don't expect them to impact the book market nearly as much as eBook readers do) but they're hardly going to replace paper. Whether for quick notes or sketches, paper is still vastly superior to mobile phones and print books can be used in places where you wouldn't want to have your phone running all the time (or at all) like on a camping trip (you need to conserve battery charge) or in the bathtub (mobiles tend to take a lot more damage in hot, damp areas than paper does).

    Thinking - Everything they attribute to mobile phones has been provided by ther technologies before; smartphones merely offer many of those things at once.


    Most of what they said is nonsense and they forgot the most important one:

    Money - Between the price of that shiny new high-end smartphone and the mandatory data plan, you notice that with a 40 USD wristwatch, a 20 USD alarm clock, a 50 USD MP3 player, a 30 USD landline phone, a 50 USD camera, a 150 USD netbook, a 150 USD handheld console and 200 USD worth of books, you still could've used phone booths for the next two years and paid less.

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  122. "Will make"? by Goaway · · Score: 1

    What, you live somewhere where there are still phone booths? Where people still bother with wristwatches?

    Oh, right, the US, isn't it?

  123. Handhelds aren't going anywhere. by Akira+Kogami · · Score: 1

    There's no way handheld game consoles will be obsoleted by cell phones until one of the big console makers makes a handheld that's designed as a game console first and a phone second. Most gamers won't completely switch over to something that's all touch screen or uses cell phone buttons to play (N-gage, anyone?)

  124. Nope by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    The root problem that will make this prediction fail is that all those things use power. The more you make that causes the user to use the device constantly, the harder it will be to keep the thing charged up enough to make phone calls.

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  125. Payphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I'm in an environment where camera phones aren't allowed so the available payphones are handy. Also, when I was poor, I couldn't afford a cell phone, they're still much more expensive than land lines. I bet there are still poor people out there in that situation. I know I used payphones all the time.

    I would still use them just to avoid having phone records of the call... for no particular reason.

  126. 90% wrong by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1
    How can someone be so wrong and still get published? Here's the same 10 items, and why only the phone will be obsolete:
    • Phone booths are making a comeback, sans the phone, as a place go in airports, train stations and crowded downtown streets to hold a conversation in peace and without bothering others. If you take Amtrak, expect staff to direct you to one if they spot you on the phone.
    • Wristwatches: Analog ones can be used as a survival compass, and generally last longer per battery than most shitty cellphone batter life. Convenient size, and you don't have to dig for a wristwatch.
    • Bedside alarm clocks: Ha! Are you kidding? Cell phones have a shitty enough battery life that even if you do charge it regularly, good luck using it as an alarm clock longer than a short business trip because you decided to stay someplace that doesn't offer wake up calls.
    • MP3 Players will never get replaced because MP3 players typically have a proper headphone jack, most phones dont, and none of the phones cultureless chavs use (the primary market for MP3 playing phones) have a headphone plug. Next retard who plays the latest talentless pop hit behind me on the train is getting ther phone smashed.
    • Landline home phone is doomed, but that's because the phone itself is doomed. "Let's take the interruptiveness of barging into the room and combine it with the obnoxiousness and sound quality of XBox Live! That won't cause problems, especially when people try to use it while driving!" Fuuuck, people created instant messaging and email for a reason: Use it! Alexander Bell should have had his head smashed in with a hammer in front of his friends, family and children for coming up with an idea so prolifically retarded.
    • Compact digital cameras aren't doomed: When was the last time you saw a cell phone that took decent pictures? Or had a lens cap? Scratch-o-rama on the phone lens!
    • Netbooks can't be obsoleted by the phone...when was the last time you saw a phone with a full size keyboard? Never, you say? Good luck typing that term paper on the train using your phone.
    • Handheld game consoles can't go obsolete because someone who never should have had kids needs something that doesn't have a monthly fee to hand their kids to make 'em shut the hell up. If you honestly think that Americans are suddenly going to start thinking about having kids before just doing it without working out how much of an expensive, pointless, and completely unrewarding pain in the ass that is, you're sorely mistaken.
    • Paper can't be obsoleted until they can come up with a $9 device that's waterproof, works in the rain, has infinite battery life and the potential to live forever.
    • Thinking won't be obsolete as long as people don't take losers like Andrew Lim, who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, seriously.
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  127. Kirby Canvas Curse by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'll take a deep game where ever I can find one. It's that these games are not really possible on a phone with no buttons.

    Are you aware that you're calling Kirby Canvas Curse, Planet Puzzle League, and other DS games that can be played with only the stylus not deep?

    1. Re:Kirby Canvas Curse by dancingmad · · Score: 1

      No, but there are no equivalents of Okamiden or Mario RPG on the iPhone.

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    2. Re:Kirby Canvas Curse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, a game like Mario RPG would probably work quite well on a touch-only interface. Metal Slug, on the other hand...

    3. Re:Kirby Canvas Curse by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      I have smrpg on my winmo phone right now interestingly enough...

  128. Games that use 1 pad and ignore the other 126 by tepples · · Score: 1

    In theory, you can hook up to 127 gamepads to a PC (one per usb port)

    Which doesn't help if the game you want to play allows the user to select only one of these 127 gamepads. Too many major label PC games are developed under the assumption of a separate computer for each player on a LAN or on the Internet, and families have a harder time affording four gaming PCs than one console, one TV, and three spare gamepads.

    and almost all graphics cards made in the last few years (even my old Geforce 4MX) have TV-Out ports.

    I checked Best Buy, and a lot of the PCs for sale there didn't even have a graphics card; instead, the demo unit had the monitor plugged into a VGA port connected to integrated graphics.

    I play Pro Evolution Soccer and many emulators with my brother and friends.

    What emulators, and what games in those emulators?

    1. Re:Games that use 1 pad and ignore the other 126 by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Which doesn't help if the game you want to play allows the user to select only one of these 127 gamepads. Too many major label PC games are developed under the assumption of a separate computer for each player on a LAN or on the Internet, and families have a harder time affording four gaming PCs than one console, one TV, and three spare gamepads.

      Yeah, but you said "indie developers who want to develop a local multiplayer game are screwed". They're not, users just have to buy the gamepads, just like with a console (none of my consoles came with more than one gamepad).

      I checked Best Buy, and a lot of the PCs for sale there didn't even have a graphics card; instead, the demo unit had the monitor plugged into a VGA port connected to integrated graphics.

      VGA to TV Converter: $0.99.
      (this is assuming you have a SDTV; if you can afford a HDTV, you probably can afford a non-integrated graphics card as well)

      What emulators, and what games in those emulators?

      Usually N64 or Genesis games I can't find on auction sites, like Conker's Bad Fur Day (I live in Portugal, and many sellers don't send the items here). As for emulators, I use Project64 for N64 games, and Fusion for Genesis.

  129. Refereeing? Multisport? by zurtle · · Score: 1

    When I'm refereeing a game of football (soccer to you American types ;-), running a half marathon, doing a biathlon or out hiking in the mountains and my cellphone becomes more convenient than wristwatches, I'll tell you.

    My wristwatches need to be:
    a) robust
    b) waterproof/mudproof
    c) convenient to use without needing to reach anywhere with my hands (ever tried taking something out of your pocket cycling up/downhill?
    Also, in the case of refereeing, I run two watches for redundancy purposes: taking two cellphones on the field sounds plain silly.

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    1. Re:Refereeing? Multisport? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      taking two cellphones on the field sounds plain silly

      You must not have a teen-age daughter :-) Any number of phones is always one too few.

  130. Re:yep... It depends on where you live. by HBoar · · Score: 1

    I'm from New Zealand, and plenty of phones over here don't display the time when out of coverage. It's not only the old CDMA phones either. I have also always had Nokias, all of which will display the time when out of coverage, but plenty of other brands do not.

  131. Good watches never go out of style. by Tak_1 · · Score: 1

    Like most people, I have a wireless phone that tells me the time, but I wear a blue-tooth so I don't HAVE to fish it out of my pocket to look at it when I need it.

    Besides being convenient, a good watch is fun to wear and looks good. If watches are falling out of favor its because the average Walmart plastic watch is just junk. I love watches, but the choices today seem to be plastic crap, or $3000 mechanical marvels.

    So I favor mechanical/electric geek watches. Mostly vintage Accutron watches, The ones that ran on a 360hz electric tuning fork. Also, the occasional digital from when digital meant expensive.

    The TI digitals are retro antiques, and the Accutrons were the most accurate watches in the world pre quartz. More reliable than a high end mechanical chronograph. The first one, the Accutron 214. This movement had a history with the space program, and there were 214 based timing mechanisms in the Apollo capsule, and some early satellites.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2622/3909134560_9fb9ea18e6_b.jpg

    And the same type of "tuning fork" watch updated for 1973, still working perfectly,

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3608838339_bf1c040e17_b.jpg

    Lastly, some vintage LEDs, which never seem to go 100% out of style.

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2471/3864049434_b03901cd02_b.jpg [flickr.com]

  132. Convincing the public to buy the hardware? by tepples · · Score: 1

    you said "indie developers who want to develop a local multiplayer game are screwed". They're not, users just have to buy the gamepads, just like with a console (none of my consoles came with more than one gamepad).

    People already own consoles. They don't already own HTPCs; instead, the PC and the TV are often in separate rooms. So each indie developer that self-publishes for the PC would have to persuade customers to buy not only a $19.95 game but also a $429 computer[1] and a $40 SDTV adapter just for one game. If the major labels also published AAA games designed for gaming HTPCs, it would be easier for a home user to justify buying a gaming HTPC to play indie games, but they don't. ObTopic: Likewise, if there aren't a lot of major label games for an Android phone, it'll be tough to convince gamers to buy one instead of an iPhone.

    VGA to TV Converter: $0.99

    From the page you linked: "Only works with VGA cards that have TV-Out functionality through the VGA connector. Check your Video Card manual to make sure that your VGA card has TV-Out capability." I researched this cable before when another Slashdot user told me about it. But this cable does not do any signal conversion; instead, it assumes that the video card is outputting SDTV on one of the pins. Some video cards are capable of this, but given the negative reviews I read for a cable nearly identical to the one you linked, popular integrated graphics chipsets are not.

    if you can afford a HDTV, you probably can afford a non-integrated graphics card as well)

    What laptop computers support non-integrated graphics cards?

    [With my HTPC and emulators, I use] Usually N64 or Genesis games I can't find on auction sites

    These games are still copyrighted. True, there are authorized emulators that come with ROMs, such as Midway Arcade Treasures, but Project 64 and Kega Fusion are most commonly used with ROMs downloaded from the Internet. Makers of gaming HTPCs aren't going to advertise their products for use with infringing copies of copyrighted games for fear of retaliation from a trade organization representing the games' copyright owners.

    [1] Price from Dell.com for a Dell Inspiron slim PC with a discrete card and no monitor.

    1. Re:Convincing the public to buy the hardware? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Well, most PC gamers I know have their PC (with discrete graphic cards) in their rooms, along with a decent sized TV; on the other hand, you're right: the console market is probably *much* bigger than "PC gamers with TV in the same room".
      But I wouldn't say it is impossible to sell local multiplayer games for the PC.

      And sorry about that converter, I didn't notice that (as I said, I don't use them).

  133. Digital Wallets by mduffy-austin · · Score: 1

    One of the key things this article missed is wallets. We will soon have digital wallets on cell phones that will store all of our identity and financial credentials (with exceptional security against fraudulent transactions).

  134. My watch is dead by prometx42 · · Score: 1

    When "smart phones" rival wristwatches in battery life, we'll talk

  135. Credit Cards by Rysc · · Score: 1

    One day you will pay for things--any things--with your phone. It's a technical reality today, there just hasn't been that "aha" moment yet. Throw in a little infrastructure and an industry organization to coordinate standards for exchanging data and there you go.

    Take your iphone to walmart, load up a cart. Go to a checkout and plug in a data cable/wave near a bluetooth scanner while running a payment app. Confirm the transaction and amount with a button on your screen. Your purchase shows up as a charge on your next "phone" bill or, after the process gets streamlined further and phone companies get in to the credit business more directly, it is charged to your bank account more directly.

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  136. EyeFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.eye.fi

  137. How did you dump the ROM? by tepples · · Score: 1

    What copier did you use to copy your authentic Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Game Pak to your computer so that you could install it on your Windows Mobile phone?

    1. Re:How did you dump the ROM? by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Downloaded a rom. I get by your phrasing that you think this is wrong. But it has the exact same result it just saves me the technical difficulty of using and buying a copier. Also it is illegal either way. Having a rom even if you created it yourself by format-shifting your real game is illegal, sorry. So I pretty much don't care. Also the game is 15years old, the system 20 so again I don't care.

      Media that is out of print doesn't in anyway count as stealing since it is impossible to buy from the creators. I am using a product that while illegal also has no possible legal way to purchase. While it was possible I did buy the game back in the 90s though it is long lost.

      Ever thought the law might just be wrong? I think even the government might as I have not heard of and cannot find a single case of a person being charged for possessing roms on the planet.

  138. Doesn't mean I want to wear one by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I'd think any true geek out there would appreciate the mechanical complexity of a quality watch (read: not quartz).

    I do. They are amazing bits of engineering and manufacturing prowess. It does not logically follow though that I want to wear a wristwatch because of that admiration.

    I have a few watches for the rare occasions when I actually need to carry a watch. Ordinarily I find a wristwatch more annoying than useful, so most of the time they are in a drawer somewhere.

    A Rolex is a rather accurate and reliable pretentiousness detector.

  139. Wristwatches are annoying to wear by sjbe · · Score: 1

    You get over it in a couple of weeks to a month.

    Maybe you did. I tried wearing a wristwatch on many occasions for significant lengths of time (months). Rarely needed to know what time it was THAT immediately and the wrist strap never stopped annoying me. Tried numerous different watches and straps to no avail. I have a few wristwatches for the rare occasions when I wristwatch is necessary (athletic events mostly) but it's just not something I need or want to wear.

    I think the fancy watches are very cool bits of engineering and manufacturing but I also think the people that actually buy high end wristwatches are generally pretentious. Nobody buys a Rolex because it is a nice bit of engineering; they buy it to show off the size of their wallet.

  140. Some stainless alloys contain nickel by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Wear a stainless steel backed watch - it won't give you a rash.,

    That depends on the alloy. Many stainless alloys have nickel in them and people do react to those alloys. Better watchmakers are undoubtedly aware of this and just avoid using the alloys that contain nickel.

    My wife happens to be a dermatopathologist and I just now confirmed this with her. If anyone would be an authoritative source on this matter, she would.

  141. Subsidized != Free by sjbe · · Score: 1

    My phone was free. Same with my last phone and the one before that.

    Unless your phone was a gift it wasn't free. You paid for it, just not up front.

    1. Re:Subsidized != Free by pherthyl · · Score: 1

      Technically true, but I don't know of any carrier where you can show up with a phone and get a discount on their plans, so realistically yes, the phone is free. Or rather, the cost of the free phones is built into their plans and you have no way of getting that cost back regardless of whether you have a phone already or not.

  142. Re:Quality does matter by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    My iPhone camera sux by MY standards, and I'm no photographer. I use it when I want to take pictures on the spur of the moment because I don't carry a real camera around with me. But if I was PLANNING to take pictures, I'd rather do it with a real camera, not the POS built into my phone.

    My phone might do a lot of things decently, but it doesn't do any of them well enough to "obsolete" special purpose equipment.

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  143. Wii Shop Channel or used by tepples · · Score: 1

    But it has the exact same result it just saves me the technical difficulty of using and buying a copier.

    17 USC 117 states that the owner of a copy is allowed to make other copies and adaptations (in this case the ROM dump) necessary for using the program on a machine (in this case a PC with an emulator) but not to redistribute such copies and adaptations.

    Also it is illegal either way. Having a rom even if you created it yourself by format-shifting your real game is illegal, sorry.

    U.S. courts in Sony v. Universal and RIAA v. Diamond disagree with you.

    Also the game is 15years old, the system 20 so again I don't care.

    That's still far less than 95.

    Media that is out of print doesn't in anyway count as stealing since it is impossible to buy from the creators.

    Hand out burned copies of Song of the South (or for that matter anything in Disney's vault) and see how long it takes Disney to be on your behind.

    I am using a product that while illegal also has no possible legal way to purchase.

    For one thing, SMRPG is on Wii Shop Channel. Even if it weren't, a copyright statute in effect where I live, 17 USC 109, states that it's not an infringement for someone on eBay to resell a lawfully made Super NES Game Pak as a "used copy".

    Ever thought the law might just be wrong?

    Commercial application repositories for mobile phones can't very well operate on the basis of "the law might be wrong".

    I have not heard of and cannot find a single case of a person being charged for possessing roms on the planet.

    Not necessarily possessing but distributing, or "inducing" distribution. If a company markets a device as ideal for emulation, the company is "inducing" the use of emulators. MGM v. Grokster .

  144. Watch and Alarm by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    I dunno... Now that I have a cell phone, I have different priorities when I buy a watch. I no longer care about features or accuracy; I just want a watch that is indestructible and will last forever. As a result, my current watch has a metal band and uses no battery.

    I also don't get the whole replacing alarm clock thing... Sometimes I use my phone as an alarm clock, but I still prefer my real alarm clock.

  145. Netbook + Mobile Phone by mahadiga · · Score: 1

    Instead of squeezing Netbook/Laptop features into Mobile Phones, why not integrate Mobile Phone in Netbooks/Laptops?

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