Have you ever had a job? Unless you happen to mean the strict sales of personal property definition of something like Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code (in the US), you most certainly can "sell" non-tangible works. (Not trolling.. I just want to be very clear about what's going on here.)
This is the whole point of property in modern economies. You're not selling the item; you're selling the value that is added, the labor, the innovation, none of which are particularly tangible goods.
That said, the RIAA should not be casually throwing around terms like "crime" and "theft" because they make a mockery of their own arguments.
It's more proper to say that you can't justifiably sell what you don't already have (in this case, what is being "stolen" is speculative lost profits from the licensing of a work to a consumer). Even there, however, the net loss from theft of IP is almost certainly staggeringly small compared to the natural downturn in the economy, poor quality of the item in question, or just plain bad marketing./ad nauseum
For/. this shows extraordinary levels of command of the language. Not a "loose/lose", "their/they're/there", or similar to be found... truly remarkable. Taco deserves a hug..
That "voomp" you hear is the sound of 500,000/.ers not getting the reference...:)/me battens down the hatches and waits for the old farts to reply indignantly.
Would that make the Milky Way and other galaxies the sprinkles on the galactic doughnut? And, do you think the rich, chocolatey coating represents "dark matter" or the other way 'round?
Would doughnut holes be alternate universes? Or does God just use the holes to carry the doughnut(s) around on his fingers?
Ok, this is not a fanboy post on either side. But I'm wondering what the benefits of SCSI are in this day and age. Is it just the ability to have more than four drives? If that's it, are IDE/SATA drives somehow hard-limited to just four connections, or is that a motherboard limitation that hardware vendors stubbornly refuse to leave behind?
I keep hearing that SCSI drives are better for hardcore media editing and for servers, but I'm curious why. Is there a compelling advantage for desktop users (or even servers)?
I have to admit, I've got a box with two IDE drives and two CD/DVD drives, and I'm irritated that I can't keep my IDE ZIP drive installed or add another drive (transferring data is a pain in the butt...). It would be awfully nice just to throw another drive in the chassis, and add the free space to my existing partitions.
I dunno, I'll be in the market for a new desktop in the next year or so, so I'm trying to figure out now what the best hardware arrangement is.
Ok, I'm late to the game, so I don't expect to be modded or read, but, why sue? WHY SUE?
Vote with your wallets/pocketbooks... just don't buy the damned product. If all the software companies implement something similar, spend the $55 on a tax preparing human being.
Note0: I AM A LAW STUDENT, and I think this suing crap is out of hand.
Note1: I am a former software developer who got into law to protect the interests of software developers with respect to the ownership of the work they do, so don't hate me.
zen... there's no way this'll ever be read, but no, I'm faithfully using Phoenix.
Yes, it has autocomplete turned on, but there's already something in there.
It's just odd. odd odd odd.
Why does space travel have to be as safe as going down to the CVS to pick up teeth whitener? I mean, it's dangerous stuff. We should respect the hell out of the men and women who keep going up and back (and bless the ones who didn't make it back).
Engineers... Yeh, they're better than politicians, but I don't think they are as in touch with the visceral spirit of exploration that drove the early space program. I'm not knocking engineers... Good lord, if you had test pilots in charge of everything, we'd just duct tape an F-15 until it was airtight, attach a few rockets under the wings, and see if the thing would fly in space. ("RCS? What the hay-ull do we need that fer?")
Engineers, test pilots... we could put NASA under the command of a bunch of trained chinchillas for all I care. Just bring back the spirit. Bring it back to us out in the mundane world. Get us fired up.
And for God's sake, give us more to feed on than the tragedies. Even if NASA needs to scare up some fluff (read: marketing) missions, give us SOMETHING to get excited about...
And I'm not talkin' space rovers and asteroid piggy-backers, though for space-interested folks like me, that stuff is AMAZING. No, I'm talking cheap one-person missions out to farther and farther orbital points. "Test pilot Bucky Bergstrom today orbited the earth farther than any human ever has!" So, there's no scientific value, but it gets positive coverage.
Wow..... FUD and troll all rolled into one. God has got some mad skillz...
I'm not saying the poster doesn't have a valid point, just dial it back a few notches.
IM is just another means of communication, and, I'm sorry, if we've been able to survive into the world of telephones (especially annoying cubicle-neighbors talking about their personal business for hours during the workday) then we'll survive a transition to an IM workplace.
I dunno, I found IM to be an indispensible tool for getting quick situation reports from staff and other project teams, especially when I had an angry client on the phone demanding an answer RIGHT DAMN NOW.
But, again, the poster does have a valid point, if I can extract this from what s/he wrote: face time really is valuable, and IM _can_ allow non-confrontational people to avoid face time by firing off IMs rather than dealing with issues face to face.
Still, there is one benefit to IMs for this purpose: no accidental REPLY-TO-ALL events with IM.:)
By the way, this isn't a "depression." A depression, I think, presupposes a critical failure to utilize otherwise appropriate industrial/service capacity because of a serious breach of consumer and corporate confidence. We're going through - at least in the technology world - a shakeout of the overbuilt industries of the last decade.
We used to play this game in New Zealand when I spent some time there growing up. They issue license plates sequentially, and a plate is attached to the car forever. So, the first time I was over there, they were in the early KBs, I think, and once i figured out that they were issued in order, I kept trying to find the earliest on the road that I could.
The entire legal system is grappling with this new world. Too many lawyers are luddites who can barely program their phones, much less comprehend what "hacking" (sic) is all about. And, worse, so are the judges who oversee their trials. And the juries that weigh the evidence. And the media that covers the trials.
I dunno, it's a little disheartening to be an aspiring lawyer when I've heard of a firm that prides itself on defending those accused of computer crimes has a password policy that mandates a particular format for your network passwords, and that your password always be provided to your assistant.
That's ok, a$$hole, I'll just delete that email address. Besides, it's not like I don't already get 750 emails a day offering to increase the size of my penis AND my breasts.
You know, that's what's wrong with the world. No village spirit any more. I bet you're French.
terrible thing to be called a troll...you hem and haw and gnash and gnaw over the perfect one-liner, only to be lowered to that lowest of all life forms.
I'm going to propose something revolutionary, ok? And you'll have to be very patient and honest when I say this.
What is happening in law and IP today is structurally and materially no different from what happened in the technology industry after about 1994. It's an orgy on a new profit source. It's a bubble. There will be a lot of mid-level or worse IP lawyers who get very, very wealthy for a few years, and then the bubble will burst.
Lawyers are almost always 5-10 years behind major trends, and this is no exception.
C'mon, are you going to attack the lawyers for getting rich off of software patents but excuse the VC who gave money to (and profited from) etaxidermy.com or some such stupid thing? The lawyer's no better than the money-hungry bubble riders of the last decade, but he's no worse either.
Perhaps some lawyers are in a better position to manipulate the system than the average technology worker, but that's not a conclusive argument. There are plenty of technology leaders who can manipulate their systems and force us consumers to buy overpriced merchandise with questionable technical merit (cell phones, until recently, fell into this category; POTS companies as well).
Do I think IP is over-litigated? Yes. Do I think there are thousands of useless patents that stifle innovation? Hell yes. Do I think it will last forever? Nope.
But you need to remember something. The USPTO is incredibly picky and self-protective. To sit for the patent bar, you have to have an undergraduate degree in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. I do not believe CS is eligible. So, the USPTO is filled with people who know a lot about physics and chemistry, but next to nothing about software and computers. And they're issuing the patents.
If you want to lash out at anybody, lash out at the stodgy and overly-permissive USPTO rather than the lawyers who are getting rich off of their ignorance. (Ok, lash out at the lawyers too, but recognize that they're just hitting an opportunity, not - entirely - making it.)
ok, troll me, but this is the stupidest TLD. ".nom" would have been better. or ".i" or ".id" or ".anythingotherthanname"
".name" is, to use a nickel word, is simply not euphonious. It's nasal, harsh, terse. Plus, in a world of "cutting edge sounding".com,.net,.org, ".name" is just boring. Dumb dumb dumb.
They would have done better to purchase me.com and sold hostnames off of that.
Bleh.
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Have you ever had a job? Unless you happen to mean the strict sales of personal property definition of something like Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code (in the US), you most certainly can "sell" non-tangible works. (Not trolling.. I just want to be very clear about what's going on here.)
/ad nauseum
This is the whole point of property in modern economies. You're not selling the item; you're selling the value that is added, the labor, the innovation, none of which are particularly tangible goods.
That said, the RIAA should not be casually throwing around terms like "crime" and "theft" because they make a mockery of their own arguments.
It's more proper to say that you can't justifiably sell what you don't already have (in this case, what is being "stolen" is speculative lost profits from the licensing of a work to a consumer). Even there, however, the net loss from theft of IP is almost certainly staggeringly small compared to the natural downturn in the economy, poor quality of the item in question, or just plain bad marketing.
For /. this shows extraordinary levels of command of the language. Not a "loose/lose", "their/they're/there", or similar to be found... truly remarkable. Taco deserves a hug..
:)
Yes yes, mod me troll... you know it's true...
- Systems
- Usability
- Certification and
- KVM
- Administrator
*ahem*That "voomp" you hear is the sound of 500,000 /.ers not getting the reference... :) /me battens down the hatches and waits for the old farts to reply indignantly.
Would that make the Milky Way and other galaxies the sprinkles on the galactic doughnut? And, do you think the rich, chocolatey coating represents "dark matter" or the other way 'round?
Would doughnut holes be alternate universes? Or does God just use the holes to carry the doughnut(s) around on his fingers?
I'm going to go get drunk and ponder this...
Ok, this is not a fanboy post on either side. But I'm wondering what the benefits of SCSI are in this day and age. Is it just the ability to have more than four drives? If that's it, are IDE/SATA drives somehow hard-limited to just four connections, or is that a motherboard limitation that hardware vendors stubbornly refuse to leave behind?
I keep hearing that SCSI drives are better for hardcore media editing and for servers, but I'm curious why. Is there a compelling advantage for desktop users (or even servers)?
I have to admit, I've got a box with two IDE drives and two CD/DVD drives, and I'm irritated that I can't keep my IDE ZIP drive installed or add another drive (transferring data is a pain in the butt...). It would be awfully nice just to throw another drive in the chassis, and add the free space to my existing partitions.
I dunno, I'll be in the market for a new desktop in the next year or so, so I'm trying to figure out now what the best hardware arrangement is.
Pizzle.
Ok, I'm late to the game, so I don't expect to be modded or read, but, why sue? WHY SUE?
Vote with your wallets/pocketbooks... just don't buy the damned product. If all the software companies implement something similar, spend the $55 on a tax preparing human being.
Note0: I AM A LAW STUDENT, and I think this suing crap is out of hand.
Note1: I am a former software developer who got into law to protect the interests of software developers with respect to the ownership of the work they do, so don't hate me.
And i have an ex-girlfriend in Atlanta too... gives new meaning to "baggage claim"
wooooooo.....
zen... there's no way this'll ever be read, but no, I'm faithfully using Phoenix. Yes, it has autocomplete turned on, but there's already something in there. It's just odd. odd odd odd.
Or to the test pilots.
Why does space travel have to be as safe as going down to the CVS to pick up teeth whitener? I mean, it's dangerous stuff. We should respect the hell out of the men and women who keep going up and back (and bless the ones who didn't make it back).
Engineers... Yeh, they're better than politicians, but I don't think they are as in touch with the visceral spirit of exploration that drove the early space program. I'm not knocking engineers... Good lord, if you had test pilots in charge of everything, we'd just duct tape an F-15 until it was airtight, attach a few rockets under the wings, and see if the thing would fly in space. ("RCS? What the hay-ull do we need that fer?")
Engineers, test pilots... we could put NASA under the command of a bunch of trained chinchillas for all I care. Just bring back the spirit. Bring it back to us out in the mundane world. Get us fired up.
And for God's sake, give us more to feed on than the tragedies. Even if NASA needs to scare up some fluff (read: marketing) missions, give us SOMETHING to get excited about...
And I'm not talkin' space rovers and asteroid piggy-backers, though for space-interested folks like me, that stuff is AMAZING. No, I'm talking cheap one-person missions out to farther and farther orbital points. "Test pilot Bucky Bergstrom today orbited the earth farther than any human ever has!" So, there's no scientific value, but it gets positive coverage.
*sigh*
This wasn't supposed to be a rant.
Why the hell does my subject line get replaced with "Re: translation please?" in EVERY SINGLE POST I make?
Is this a bug in the slashcode? I mean, I made a post with "translation please?" about two months ago, and it seems to have stuck.
*growl*
Wow..... FUD and troll all rolled into one. God has got some mad skillz...
:)
I'm not saying the poster doesn't have a valid point, just dial it back a few notches.
IM is just another means of communication, and, I'm sorry, if we've been able to survive into the world of telephones (especially annoying cubicle-neighbors talking about their personal business for hours during the workday) then we'll survive a transition to an IM workplace.
I dunno, I found IM to be an indispensible tool for getting quick situation reports from staff and other project teams, especially when I had an angry client on the phone demanding an answer RIGHT DAMN NOW.
But, again, the poster does have a valid point, if I can extract this from what s/he wrote: face time really is valuable, and IM _can_ allow non-confrontational people to avoid face time by firing off IMs rather than dealing with issues face to face.
Still, there is one benefit to IMs for this purpose: no accidental REPLY-TO-ALL events with IM.
By the way, this isn't a "depression." A depression, I think, presupposes a critical failure to utilize otherwise appropriate industrial/service capacity because of a serious breach of consumer and corporate confidence. We're going through - at least in the technology world - a shakeout of the overbuilt industries of the last decade.
We've got four digits... do we have three? C'mon... give us a three.
Where do crusty old slashdotters go when they get tired of the kiddies? Not that I'm a kiddie, but it's metaphorical.
Here's a different way to take this blatantly threadjacked topic: Any slashdotter grandparents out there?
Seriously.
We used to play this game in New Zealand when I spent some time there growing up. They issue license plates sequentially, and a plate is attached to the car forever. So, the first time I was over there, they were in the early KBs, I think, and once i figured out that they were issued in order, I kept trying to find the earliest on the road that I could.
In 11 years, I saw one AA.
I have that same feeling now.
Yeah, that's it.
It was ironic... jeez. no sense of humor in this place.
You should see my ICQ number. It's humiliating.
Still, I was BBSing before most slashdotters were in diapers. And, how many of you owned a Kaypro II? Hmm?
I'm going to go find a website with less serious-minded geeks.
who's got the lower user id? hmmm? n00b.
Oh my god that's the geekiest post I've ever seen on /.
And that's saying something.
*whispers to people with mod-points: I know this guy and I'm trying to give him hell. mod me up as funny.*
*sigh* It's MacOS vs. Windows vs. Linux all over again... but this time it's Jews vs. Christians vs. Muslims.
I wonder if this computer will run all those damned quirky Christian programs a friend of mine wrote for me... Catechism XP... Communion 3.2...
Am I going to hell now? Is that question even more metaphysical given the topic?
I think I'm going to go call my Jewish best friend and beg forgiveness for being a dirty, insensitive Gentile.
The entire legal system is grappling with this new world. Too many lawyers are luddites who can barely program their phones, much less comprehend what "hacking" (sic) is all about. And, worse, so are the judges who oversee their trials. And the juries that weigh the evidence. And the media that covers the trials.
I dunno, it's a little disheartening to be an aspiring lawyer when I've heard of a firm that prides itself on defending those accused of computer crimes has a password policy that mandates a particular format for your network passwords, and that your password always be provided to your assistant.
That's ok, a$$hole, I'll just delete that email address. Besides, it's not like I don't already get 750 emails a day offering to increase the size of my penis AND my breasts.
You know, that's what's wrong with the world. No village spirit any more. I bet you're French.
ah, the fickleness of the "dupe humor" crowd...
terrible thing to be called a troll...you hem and haw and gnash and gnaw over the perfect one-liner, only to be lowered to that lowest of all life forms.
Oh, ye troll, we weep for you.
I'm going to propose something revolutionary, ok? And you'll have to be very patient and honest when I say this.
What is happening in law and IP today is structurally and materially no different from what happened in the technology industry after about 1994. It's an orgy on a new profit source. It's a bubble. There will be a lot of mid-level or worse IP lawyers who get very, very wealthy for a few years, and then the bubble will burst.
Lawyers are almost always 5-10 years behind major trends, and this is no exception.
C'mon, are you going to attack the lawyers for getting rich off of software patents but excuse the VC who gave money to (and profited from) etaxidermy.com or some such stupid thing? The lawyer's no better than the money-hungry bubble riders of the last decade, but he's no worse either.
Perhaps some lawyers are in a better position to manipulate the system than the average technology worker, but that's not a conclusive argument. There are plenty of technology leaders who can manipulate their systems and force us consumers to buy overpriced merchandise with questionable technical merit (cell phones, until recently, fell into this category; POTS companies as well).
Do I think IP is over-litigated? Yes. Do I think there are thousands of useless patents that stifle innovation? Hell yes. Do I think it will last forever? Nope.
But you need to remember something. The USPTO is incredibly picky and self-protective. To sit for the patent bar, you have to have an undergraduate degree in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. I do not believe CS is eligible. So, the USPTO is filled with people who know a lot about physics and chemistry, but next to nothing about software and computers. And they're issuing the patents.
If you want to lash out at anybody, lash out at the stodgy and overly-permissive USPTO rather than the lawyers who are getting rich off of their ignorance. (Ok, lash out at the lawyers too, but recognize that they're just hitting an opportunity, not - entirely - making it.)
ok, troll me, but this is the stupidest TLD. ".nom" would have been better. or ".i" or ".id" or ".anythingotherthanname" ".name" is, to use a nickel word, is simply not euphonious. It's nasal, harsh, terse. Plus, in a world of "cutting edge sounding" .com, .net, .org, ".name" is just boring. Dumb dumb dumb.
They would have done better to purchase me.com and sold hostnames off of that.
Bleh.