You want to know? I run my home networks like as if they were a company.... because that's the right thing to do.
I am well aware that private entities cannot secure their computer. However, once a machine is compromised on your trusted network, it is game over.... If you do not understand that you have no place in IT.
And for the record, I have been keeping my wife of the bad parts of the internet by having a outgoing OpenBSD firewall as well as incoming, No UPnP,,,,I only allow what I esteem worthy.
My network is more secured than many Forrtune 100 companies... and I know why.
Ooooh.... Boy, where do I begin? So this laptop presumably runs on your network. The same network that has your computers on it? So her computer gets rooted and that way the attacker has access to one host on your network. How hard do you think it is to probe where the other computer are and use vulnerabilities to attack your trusted computers.
A compromised computer on your network means that your network is compromised. End of story.
True.... but how many people do you know run Windows in Limited User?
I know many, but only because I set up their computer.... I also Administer them: you want to install a program. You have to ask me first. Yes, I know it's Administrator-Nazi, but it's the only way to protect them from themselves. Running Limited User isn't hard, but you have to know a few things and these few things are beyond the knowledge of the average user. UAC (and thus Vista) will not prevent these things. Not unless your kids are Limited User in Vista and as such it will not ask "Cancel/Allow" but ask for a password.
So even if your kids have a separate account, this kind of social engineering will work. In XP they most likely will be Administrator, in Vista, they will most likely be in the passwordless Administrator group. (Which is the Administrators group, so no different from XP) The only thing guarding there is UAC, and it isn't a big obstacle to a twelve year old who simply wants his Neopets paintbrushes.
To be honest.... I still discovered that most cellphones are locked to the cellphone provider (Western Europe here). My employer offered to take over my cellphone, and they went with another cellphone provider. I expected my (really featureless) Siemens A75 to work. It didn't. Even that crap phone, which I bought retail (without contract) from my cellphone provider was locked to them. Sure, I'm pretty sure that after the 3 years of usage they would have unlocked it for free... I just asked a new one from my employer and that was that. I bet it's locked to that cellphone provider. I didn't try though.
That said, netbooks are indeed "given away" with a Huawai USB adapter for 0€. Still, the fees add up significantly, even if you don't use the cellphone connection to connect.
A Linux App store for netbooks? What for? The standard repositories pretty much have anything you want. (My netbook, bought without a contract and unlocked since I don't even have an Huawai USB adapter, runs Debian 5.0 just fine, thank you very much...)
Well, I most certainly never heard a Dodge commercial before and I have never ever see a dealership in my area. Heck, the only Dodges I've seen on the road here are from the Ramstein airbase. (They probably get their gas at US prices there)
Off course, every European "knows" the brand "Dodge" from Married With Children... but apart from that... Don't think so.
Is that so? Take Belgium. It has VAT at 21%. The 945€ MacBook is as such 780.99€ without VAT. That are 1094$...
The US price (assuming without sales tax, since that's tradition in the US) is 999$. That's still a 95$ difference. Not stellar, but not exactly nothing.
Just saying...
I like living here in the EU too... As I said elsewhere, this is confusing because most Europeans consider the price with VAT to be "The Price", and Americans consider the price without Sales Tax to be "The Price". It's a cultural difference, and it's unlikely to go away.
Very good question.... However, Microsoft has European offices. I guess that any Europe-based distributor needs to buy the licenses from the Europe HQ of Microsoft.
So what? You have to pay it anyway.... To me tax is part of the price of the item. I know, it's a cultural difference. Like putting ketchup on everything.;-)
Yes, I understand completely. What I wanted to discredit is that the price is based upon "cost of living" as the original poster (Alarash) claimed. Hence my silly comparison of Ohio versus New York.
However, the larger the purchase, and the easier to transport, the more uniform the pricing will be across wider areas.
Absolutely true, but then it's clear that its not coupled to cost of living, which was entirely my point.
... and on top of that, many people in non-English speaking countries still want their software in English. You often pay a premium for that.... I wish I were kidding.
Oddly enough, American car companies try to penetrate the European market lately. Brands completely unknown to Europeans are being marketed: Dodge for example. They also had a very, very, odd advertising campaign.
Where I live, 2000€ per month is close to what a qualified worker (think manual labour, low level office work) earns per month. Of course, our rent is close to 1300€ alone for a medium-sized apartment.
Just to illustrate: cost of living varies widely in Europe. (Hey, and oddly enough, the cheapest MacBook in Spain is 899€, which surprised me.)
Well, oddly enough, this still isn't happening and the dollar has been weak for ages. Why isn't this already the default modus operandi?
I didn't know that there was only a low (or none) tax on software. The case were I did get taxed horribly, it was indeed hardware and not software. (And indeed it was 150++€)
This is because companies sell based on the cost of living, and yes, $1 is pretty much equal to 1.
[citation needed]
I frankly seriously doubt that. In that case, an Apple computer in New York should be much more expensive than an Apple computer in rural Ohio.
Also, the price of an Apple computer in Italy should be different than an Apple computer in Germany (Those countries definitely have different cost of living). This is not the case... Both are 945€
Ah, yes, indeed. I tend to forget that. I'll never get used to this Sales Tax thing. I, like most Europeans, actually prefer to see what we have to pay without calculating it ourselves.
Except.... Often US companies do not ship technology related stuff (software and hardware) to Europe. Plus, upon importing you get to pay a hefty import tax (last time, I did buy something larger it was 33%... Urks!)
For some reason, pretty much everything in technology is assumed 1€=1$... at least ever since the dollar is weak. Poor Britons have it worse, because they often get 1£=1$
Try buying Apple hardware here... That hurts.... Smallest MacBook? 945€ In the US 999$ (which translates to 712€ at current rates)
That's a good thing to hear. It was the singlemost annoying thing in XP Home, I had to cope with. That said, I know there is a downloadable, installable plugin to restore the functionality. Alas, I don't remember where to download it (it was at Microsoft, I just never managed to find it back).
Tell me how to set ACLs in Windows XP Home without using the command line. In Mac OS X [1], I can.... Setting ACLs is pretty much a necessity if you want to have Limited Users working on Windows XP.
Now, you may think that this is not a "Home User" feature, but to me it is a basic feature of any operating system.
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Your post reminded me of this website: christiannymphos.org. That again proves that you can find anything on the intertubes. Too bad I'm an atheist ;-)
I am well aware that private entities cannot secure their computer. However, once a machine is compromised on your trusted network, it is game over.... If you do not understand that you have no place in IT.
And for the record, I have been keeping my wife of the bad parts of the internet by having a outgoing OpenBSD firewall as well as incoming, No UPnP,,,,I only allow what I esteem worthy.
My network is more secured than many Forrtune 100 companies... and I know why.
Ooooh.... Boy, where do I begin? So this laptop presumably runs on your network. The same network that has your computers on it? So her computer gets rooted and that way the attacker has access to one host on your network. How hard do you think it is to probe where the other computer are and use vulnerabilities to attack your trusted computers.
A compromised computer on your network means that your network is compromised. End of story.
True.... but how many people do you know run Windows in Limited User?
I know many, but only because I set up their computer.... I also Administer them: you want to install a program. You have to ask me first. Yes, I know it's Administrator-Nazi, but it's the only way to protect them from themselves. Running Limited User isn't hard, but you have to know a few things and these few things are beyond the knowledge of the average user. UAC (and thus Vista) will not prevent these things. Not unless your kids are Limited User in Vista and as such it will not ask "Cancel/Allow" but ask for a password.
So even if your kids have a separate account, this kind of social engineering will work. In XP they most likely will be Administrator, in Vista, they will most likely be in the passwordless Administrator group. (Which is the Administrators group, so no different from XP) The only thing guarding there is UAC, and it isn't a big obstacle to a twelve year old who simply wants his Neopets paintbrushes.
There really is no way out of this....
To be honest.... I still discovered that most cellphones are locked to the cellphone provider (Western Europe here). My employer offered to take over my cellphone, and they went with another cellphone provider. I expected my (really featureless) Siemens A75 to work. It didn't. Even that crap phone, which I bought retail (without contract) from my cellphone provider was locked to them. Sure, I'm pretty sure that after the 3 years of usage they would have unlocked it for free... I just asked a new one from my employer and that was that. I bet it's locked to that cellphone provider. I didn't try though.
That said, netbooks are indeed "given away" with a Huawai USB adapter for 0€. Still, the fees add up significantly, even if you don't use the cellphone connection to connect.
A Linux App store for netbooks? What for? The standard repositories pretty much have anything you want. (My netbook, bought without a contract and unlocked since I don't even have an Huawai USB adapter, runs Debian 5.0 just fine, thank you very much...)
Yeah, but slashdot doesn't.
Well, I most certainly never heard a Dodge commercial before and I have never ever see a dealership in my area. Heck, the only Dodges I've seen on the road here are from the Ramstein airbase. (They probably get their gas at US prices there)
Off course, every European "knows" the brand "Dodge" from Married With Children... but apart from that... Don't think so.
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I don't even have ketchup in my fridge.... (It's a stereotypical American trait...)
Is that so? Take Belgium. It has VAT at 21%. The 945€ MacBook is as such 780.99€ without VAT. That are 1094$...
The US price (assuming without sales tax, since that's tradition in the US) is 999$. That's still a 95$ difference. Not stellar, but not exactly nothing.
Just saying...
I like living here in the EU too... As I said elsewhere, this is confusing because most Europeans consider the price with VAT to be "The Price", and Americans consider the price without Sales Tax to be "The Price". It's a cultural difference, and it's unlikely to go away.
Very good question.... However, Microsoft has European offices. I guess that any Europe-based distributor needs to buy the licenses from the Europe HQ of Microsoft.
So what? You have to pay it anyway.... To me tax is part of the price of the item. ;-)
I know, it's a cultural difference. Like putting ketchup on everything.
Yes, I understand completely. What I wanted to discredit is that the price is based upon "cost of living" as the original poster (Alarash) claimed. Hence my silly comparison of Ohio versus New York.
Absolutely true, but then it's clear that its not coupled to cost of living, which was entirely my point.
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... and on top of that, many people in non-English speaking countries still want their software in English. You often pay a premium for that.... I wish I were kidding.
Oddly enough, American car companies try to penetrate the European market lately. Brands completely unknown to Europeans are being marketed: Dodge for example. They also had a very, very, odd advertising campaign.
I import my games from the UK. Sure, I pay more, but at least I get the damned things in English. (That said, I buy perhaps one game a year, at best)
Where I live, 2000€ per month is close to what a qualified worker (think manual labour, low level office work) earns per month. Of course, our rent is close to 1300€ alone for a medium-sized apartment.
Just to illustrate: cost of living varies widely in Europe. (Hey, and oddly enough, the cheapest MacBook in Spain is 899€, which surprised me.)
Well, oddly enough, this still isn't happening and the dollar has been weak for ages. Why isn't this already the default modus operandi?
I didn't know that there was only a low (or none) tax on software. The case were I did get taxed horribly, it was indeed hardware and not software. (And indeed it was 150++€)
[citation needed]
I frankly seriously doubt that. In that case, an Apple computer in New York should be much more expensive than an Apple computer in rural Ohio.
Also, the price of an Apple computer in Italy should be different than an Apple computer in Germany (Those countries definitely have different cost of living). This is not the case... Both are 945€
Ah, yes, indeed. I tend to forget that. I'll never get used to this Sales Tax thing. I, like most Europeans, actually prefer to see what we have to pay without calculating it ourselves.
Except.... Often US companies do not ship technology related stuff (software and hardware) to Europe. Plus, upon importing you get to pay a hefty import tax (last time, I did buy something larger it was 33%... Urks!)
For some reason, pretty much everything in technology is assumed 1€=1$... at least ever since the dollar is weak. Poor Britons have it worse, because they often get 1£=1$
Try buying Apple hardware here... That hurts.... Smallest MacBook? 945€ In the US 999$ (which translates to 712€ at current rates)
That's a good thing to hear. It was the singlemost annoying thing in XP Home, I had to cope with. That said, I know there is a downloadable, installable plugin to restore the functionality. Alas, I don't remember where to download it (it was at Microsoft, I just never managed to find it back).
Tell me how to set ACLs in Windows XP Home without using the command line. In Mac OS X [1], I can.... Setting ACLs is pretty much a necessity if you want to have Limited Users working on Windows XP.
Now, you may think that this is not a "Home User" feature, but to me it is a basic feature of any operating system.
[1] I am not a Mac OS X user.