Okay, I didn't know that...but technically one could look at it as an "investment in future viewers". You know very well that if the trailer appeals (and seeing it on a big screen helps), will encourage viewers to see the movie advertised. Or did you never had the thought after a trailer "oh, looks like a great movie...I need to watch it when it comes out"?
Now what Yahoo will do is quite open... I just wanted to say that here in Europe (at least in the countries I know), cable TV has ads...a lot of them. Most channels I watch make 10 minutes breaks for every 20 minutes of movie (depends a bit). On the other hand, public TV (which sometimes gives good movies) doesn't take breaks but shows ads before and after the movies. Don't mix up pay-tv and cable TV:-)
Same for going to the movies. Here a movie ticket is about 7Euro, and before the movie we get ads ranging from local companies to movie previews.
I think both cases should be more considered like the magazine type of ads: they show the ads to reduce the costs and to allow the movie ticket or cable subscription at lower rates.
If yahoo takes this smart, they could offer different "levels" of subscription. One with ads, one without ads but at higher costs.
I'm of the "OS-Controis-The-Hardware-And-Nothing-More" camp....and I do have to agree that Windows is not an Operating System "in se". No, it is more like a distribution (that's a Linux term, I know), but in contrast to typical Linux distributions the Windows distributions(95,98,NT4,W2K,XP) are not customizable at all and you can't build your own one if you want to. Windows even stopped to give you the choice of components during installation.
What "Joe User" thinks about Operating Systems, is not important. (cf. the classic "what OS do you run"...of Microsoft Office 97") This is because, as you say,"Joe User" won't care! Our typical user seeks the "computer experience" (excuse me for maketing-babble), and that's what he gets: integrated browser, email, whatever. For "Joe User" the browser or email client shoudn't even matter...I put Netscape and Eudora on it? He will be able to do what he wants just as good as if I put Internet Explorer/Outlook Express on the machine. He is smart enough to master a "different" environment: I see that every day, I still am astonished how many people are able to use Lotus Notes, even tough "Outlook" is "so much better" in terms of useability.
Bundling software is not illegal, as long as you don't prevent others from competing. This "Joe User" we talk about is going to buy his PC from an OEM and will use what is installed on that machine. Let's think about it: the OEM has 3 browser choices: Netscape, IE and Opera. The OEM decides to go for Opera. Then Microsoft says...oh, no extra icons on the desktop, no extra browser or you won't get Windows. Since the OEM knows it won't be able to sell machines without Windows, it will go for IE...even if they would have preferred another browser. And that my friend is illegal: using a monopoly to excerse control over another market. The browser market is another market...and the reason we don't "think" so anymore is because of Microsoft browser integration.
That's an incorrect assumption. We talk about the "normal" user....that is the one that buys a computer and expects it to run. This guy will not buy computer magazines. Besides, I don't know about you...but I never ever install anything what I get with Magazines. I just do not trust the software on it. Nor do I trust promotional CD's that end up in mail mail.
As for the technical merit....I have here a workstation NT4-SP3 (hafta be this one, client uses the same) and IE5.5 crashes more than I can count. Netscape 4.76 on the other hand rarely hangs on me. Neither of previous two is my favourite browser...because that's Opera. Damn, it even works on my Psion!
The kernel script worked fine, and my machine is running 2.4.17 happily now. Thank you for the extra information, and I'll try that at the next kernel upgrade. (I printed out your explanation:-))
You're lucky you can. At work we're an Microsoft Shop mainly. I'm one of the few Java people, and I'm the only one using Linux regularly. People mostly ask me questions, but one cannot know everything:-)
Don't always judge people by theire names. This is indeed my troll account, you are right. I stopped trolling by the way because it's not as fun as I thought it would be. Why did I use this account to ask such a question? Right, just because I didn't want to spoil my karma on the regular account. I actually thought I'd be modded as a troll or offtopic, but instead nice people tried to help. Now, isn't that what one should call "a community"? Of course it could just be the Christmas spirit:-)
Gid,
It's not that obvious if you're new to all of this. Of course I am in fault not to read the REAMDE, but then I got used to README's in download directories that explain server policies and such. Perhaps my post will point users that don't know about the 'patch' command to using patches instead of using the source tree. I know it sounds silly, but this is the kind of help newbies need.
Thanks for your reply:-) I do realise I asked something stupid, but that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?
I know you are supposed to download the patch. It would be ideal since I only have ISDN. Unfortunatley I just downloaded it, and now I don't know what to do.
Downloading the kernel is easy, it's a tar.bz2 and with tar -Ixvf I get the whole tree, unfortunately I just notice a patch is only "patch-2.4.17.bz2", I can unzip it, but then? What do I do?
I'm only using Linux since about a year seriousely and downloaded and compiled nearly all kernels since then but always the complete package. It would be great if I knew how exactly to patch the kernel.
Yes, I know this is a newbie question. Forgive me for this:-(
Okay, okay...I know about that package, but isn't it experimental? You don't want to base anything related to accounting in an experimental environment.
Pssst....don't tell that to an accountant, they get their sharp pencils and poke them in your eyes.
I some way you are right, it involves indeed a whole bunch of data-storage (and MySQL would probably not be the right choice, because of it's lack of ACID compliance), but you are underestimating things like reporting. Accountants like paper with pretty charts and understandable tables, so even if you make a pretty interface on top of a database it won't be enough. Well, I guess you've got Crystal Reports, PageMaker and the likes for that... Could be a solution.
Accounting is much more difficult than balancing your checks, my dad has an accountant formation (more than that, applied economics, but he did quite a deal of accounting) and as soon as he gets on the topic I understand as much as when he would talk Chinese. Well, on the other hand he feels that way when I start talking programming and operating systems;-)
Now that is odd...the guy I tried to help out actually had the windows disks, except 6 was broken. That's the one with the printer drivers.
If I still had a 286 around, I definately would try (for the fun of it) one of those Linux versions for 8086/80268:-)
I though of such things too. I played around with the config.sys and tried to see what params the setup.exe would take. Alas nothing would work. Note this OEM version came with a Pentium-class computer, so perhaps it had been modified. I dunno...
Oh, well it brought back some fond memories, when back in the day one had to fight for each byte of free memory. At least now I know that my first instinc of "it must work" wasn't wrong. *how?*, now that will stay a mystery;-)
OS/2 is supported, but you can't find it on the shelves anymore and I doubt IBM will help me with my copy (legal! really!) of OS/2 Warp. I tried to install it beginning of the year on my ageing laptop and it just woudn't. Did I need drivers, did I do something wrong. OS/2 was a great OS, and strangely enough it ran practically all games in his time which were DOS based. Game locked up? No problem: kill it.
It would be cool if I could get my hands on a recent version of OS/2.
Besides, the area of the toy-oses is over: we now have XP which is based on the NT kernel so it is not a toy....wait, sorry, it looks like one;-)
Okay, I thought the same as you: WfW 3.11 *must* work on this machine. He had a problem (corrupted printer driver) and he had no more windows disks. So I tried to install my OEM version of WfW 3.11 I had lying around and it woudn't: it wanted a 386. Don't ask me why: I thought it could run in 386Enhanced mode but also in Standard mode (which is 286).
Perhaps I did something wrong: difficult to say. It had been years I installed a WfW 3.11:-)
When Windows 95 came out, I kept running OS/2 for almost a year. The "upgrade" from OS/2 to Win95 (OSR-1) almost felt like going from a porsche to a yugo. Of course this was a 486, but I still fondly remember it (as I fondly remember OS/2) Unfortunately it had become impossible to exchange documents with friends because they used Word95 and I Wordperfect. *sigh*
I met this guy recently that still used his 80286 with 1Meg RAM and a 20Meg HD, running DOS6.22/Win 3.0 (Win 3.11 is 80386 required). The stuff he uses is Write, that's all...and an occasional solitaire game. He can print with his 9-pin dot matrix printer and he is completely happy.
Well, I never heard of them either. I don't know if this is good marketing: don't forget it gives them a *negative* image...at least for the web-savvy people.
Yes, I heard that often too... Unfortunately I don't know much mechanics, so I cannot confirm it. I always heard that it is healthier for the engine to just start it cold and start driving immediately without pushing the engine until it is at "operating temperature". Now thinking of it, that is exactly what is marked in my car's manual.:-)
Well, nice sarcastic point. I can understand this in parts of the world were winters are -10C and less dayly. Where I live, the average winter is 0C to -5C. Then I don't see the point: go outside, start car engine and start scratching the ice from the windows (all windows, not 20cm)...in that time you car has heated. I don't even do that, because while the car is running you are using fuel for no good reason *and* polluting the air for no good reason either. No, I'm not a tree hugger...but to have it cozy and warm in my car I just wear a jacket. Quite low tech, but very effective.
I don't know if this type of stuff qualifies as "hacking", woudn't it be more like "upgrading". I mean, they do it for you: doesn't imply "hacking" some kind of "manual work"? Especially on cars?
I just visited the site, because I own one of those 225HP models (you can guess which one), and I dunno if I could shell out 499$ for a measely 19HP more. Besides I heard (from people having BMW modding chips. Warranty? What warranty?) that those chips can damage the engine badly. (It goes "Poof" and suddenly your enigine is a piece of metallic junk) Yes, I am an european, and 225HP is quite a lot here (average must be 100HP, newer models)...to my experience anything above 150HP is "too" much when you use the car to go to work on snowy roads (and that is what I do, so next time I'll settle for the 180HP model;-)) . You can't use the cars full potential anyway, since speed limit is 120kmh. Okay, I admit, I'm not into car tuning... if you are, go here and weep.
Hehehe...I am not a Mac zealot...never was, but I can't promise I never will. Actually I'm an old hardware fetchist:-) But, you could have guessed that from the post (the P120 is true, and I'm useing it right now)
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Okay, I didn't know that...but technically one could look at it as an "investment in future viewers". You know very well that if the trailer appeals (and seeing it on a big screen helps), will encourage viewers to see the movie advertised. Or did you never had the thought after a trailer "oh, looks like a great movie...I need to watch it when it comes out"?
Same for going to the movies. Here a movie ticket is about 7Euro, and before the movie we get ads ranging from local companies to movie previews.
I think both cases should be more considered like the magazine type of ads: they show the ads to reduce the costs and to allow the movie ticket or cable subscription at lower rates.
If yahoo takes this smart, they could offer different "levels" of subscription. One with ads, one without ads but at higher costs.
What "Joe User" thinks about Operating Systems, is not important. (cf. the classic "what OS do you run"...of Microsoft Office 97") This is because, as you say ,"Joe User" won't care! Our typical user seeks the "computer experience" (excuse me for maketing-babble), and that's what he gets: integrated browser, email, whatever. For "Joe User" the browser or email client shoudn't even matter...I put Netscape and Eudora on it? He will be able to do what he wants just as good as if I put Internet Explorer/Outlook Express on the machine. He is smart enough to master a "different" environment: I see that every day, I still am astonished how many people are able to use Lotus Notes, even tough "Outlook" is "so much better" in terms of useability.
Bundling software is not illegal, as long as you don't prevent others from competing. This "Joe User" we talk about is going to buy his PC from an OEM and will use what is installed on that machine. Let's think about it: the OEM has 3 browser choices: Netscape, IE and Opera. The OEM decides to go for Opera. Then Microsoft says...oh, no extra icons on the desktop, no extra browser or you won't get Windows. Since the OEM knows it won't be able to sell machines without Windows, it will go for IE...even if they would have preferred another browser. And that my friend is illegal: using a monopoly to excerse control over another market. The browser market is another market...and the reason we don't "think" so anymore is because of Microsoft browser integration.
Besides, I don't know about you...but I never ever install anything what I get with Magazines. I just do not trust the software on it. Nor do I trust promotional CD's that end up in mail mail.
As for the technical merit....I have here a workstation NT4-SP3 (hafta be this one, client uses the same) and IE5.5 crashes more than I can count. Netscape 4.76 on the other hand rarely hangs on me. Neither of previous two is my favourite browser...because that's Opera. Damn, it even works on my Psion!
As for you sig: her last name is called .mpg ;-)
The kernel script worked fine, and my machine is running 2.4.17 happily now. Thank you for the extra information, and I'll try that at the next kernel upgrade. (I printed out your explanation :-))
You're lucky you can. At work we're an Microsoft Shop mainly. I'm one of the few Java people, and I'm the only one using Linux regularly. People mostly ask me questions, but one cannot know everything :-)
Don't always judge people by theire names. This is indeed my troll account, you are right. I stopped trolling by the way because it's not as fun as I thought it would be. Why did I use this account to ask such a question? Right, just because I didn't want to spoil my karma on the regular account. I actually thought I'd be modded as a troll or offtopic, but instead nice people tried to help. Now, isn't that what one should call "a community"? Of course it could just be the Christmas spirit :-)
Thanx....I just read that in the readme, and I'll try it tomorrow :-)
It's not that obvious if you're new to all of this. Of course I am in fault not to read the REAMDE, but then I got used to README's in download directories that explain server policies and such. Perhaps my post will point users that don't know about the 'patch' command to using patches instead of using the source tree. I know it sounds silly, but this is the kind of help newbies need.
Thanks for your reply :-) I do realise I asked something stupid, but that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?
Aaaagh! Now I feel extremely stupid, I just did 'man patch' and it's all there! I just should have RTFM and shut up :-(
Downloading the kernel is easy, it's a tar.bz2 and with tar -Ixvf I get the whole tree, unfortunately I just notice a patch is only "patch-2.4.17.bz2", I can unzip it, but then? What do I do?
I'm only using Linux since about a year seriousely and downloaded and compiled nearly all kernels since then but always the complete package. It would be great if I knew how exactly to patch the kernel. :-(
Yes, I know this is a newbie question. Forgive me for this
Okay, okay...I know about that package, but isn't it experimental? You don't want to base anything related to accounting in an experimental environment.
I some way you are right, it involves indeed a whole bunch of data-storage (and MySQL would probably not be the right choice, because of it's lack of ACID compliance), but you are underestimating things like reporting. Accountants like paper with pretty charts and understandable tables, so even if you make a pretty interface on top of a database it won't be enough. Well, I guess you've got Crystal Reports, PageMaker and the likes for that... Could be a solution.
Accounting is much more difficult than balancing your checks, my dad has an accountant formation (more than that, applied economics, but he did quite a deal of accounting) and as soon as he gets on the topic I understand as much as when he would talk Chinese. Well, on the other hand he feels that way when I start talking programming and operating systems ;-)
Now that is odd...the guy I tried to help out actually had the windows disks, except 6 was broken. That's the one with the printer drivers. :-)
If I still had a 286 around, I definately would try (for the fun of it) one of those Linux versions for 8086/80268
Oh, well it brought back some fond memories, when back in the day one had to fight for each byte of free memory. ;-)
At least now I know that my first instinc of "it must work" wasn't wrong. *how?*, now that will stay a mystery
OS/2 is supported, but you can't find it on the shelves anymore and I doubt IBM will help me with my copy (legal! really!) of OS/2 Warp. I tried to install it beginning of the year on my ageing laptop and it just woudn't. Did I need drivers, did I do something wrong. OS/2 was a great OS, and strangely enough it ran practically all games in his time which were DOS based. Game locked up? No problem: kill it. ;-)
It would be cool if I could get my hands on a recent version of OS/2.
Besides, the area of the toy-oses is over: we now have XP which is based on the NT kernel so it is not a toy....wait, sorry, it looks like one
Okay, I thought the same as you: WfW 3.11 *must* work on this machine. He had a problem (corrupted printer driver) and he had no more windows disks. So I tried to install my OEM version of WfW 3.11 I had lying around and it woudn't: it wanted a 386. Don't ask me why: I thought it could run in 386Enhanced mode but also in Standard mode (which is 286). :-)
Perhaps I did something wrong: difficult to say. It had been years I installed a WfW 3.11
When Windows 95 came out, I kept running OS/2 for almost a year. The "upgrade" from OS/2 to Win95 (OSR-1) almost felt like going from a porsche to a yugo. Of course this was a 486, but I still fondly remember it (as I fondly remember OS/2)
Unfortunately it had become impossible to exchange documents with friends because they used Word95 and I Wordperfect. *sigh*
I met this guy recently that still used his 80286 with 1Meg RAM and a 20Meg HD, running DOS6.22/Win 3.0 (Win 3.11 is 80386 required). The stuff he uses is Write, that's all...and an occasional solitaire game. He can print with his 9-pin dot matrix printer and he is completely happy.
Well, I never heard of them either. I don't know if this is good marketing: don't forget it gives them a *negative* image...at least for the web-savvy people.
Yes, I heard that often too... Unfortunately I don't know much mechanics, so I cannot confirm it. I always heard that it is healthier for the engine to just start it cold and start driving immediately without pushing the engine until it is at "operating temperature". Now thinking of it, that is exactly what is marked in my car's manual. :-)
Well, nice sarcastic point. I can understand this in parts of the world were winters are -10C and less dayly. Where I live, the average winter is 0C to -5C. Then I don't see the point: go outside, start car engine and start scratching the ice from the windows (all windows, not 20cm)...in that time you car has heated. I don't even do that, because while the car is running you are using fuel for no good reason *and* polluting the air for no good reason either. No, I'm not a tree hugger...but to have it cozy and warm in my car I just wear a jacket. Quite low tech, but very effective.
I just visited the site, because I own one of those 225HP models (you can guess which one), and I dunno if I could shell out 499$ for a measely 19HP more. Besides I heard (from people having BMW modding chips. Warranty? What warranty?) that those chips can damage the engine badly. (It goes "Poof" and suddenly your enigine is a piece of metallic junk) ;-)) . You can't use the cars full potential anyway, since speed limit is 120kmh.
Yes, I am an european, and 225HP is quite a lot here (average must be 100HP, newer models)...to my experience anything above 150HP is "too" much when you use the car to go to work on snowy roads (and that is what I do, so next time I'll settle for the 180HP model
Okay, I admit, I'm not into car tuning... if you are, go here and weep.
They can call it whatever they want, as long as it doesn't have influence on the bust size of artist impressions.
Hehehe...I am not a Mac zealot...never was, but I can't promise I never will. Actually I'm an old hardware fetchist :-) But, you could have guessed that from the post (the P120 is true, and I'm useing it right now)