Can't do that with the government either. Do you really think that more than 0.01% of voters has ever heard of the domain name system? Honestly, no one is going to base their votes on how the government is managing it.
To support the progress of a girl in South Africa with an 18kbps connection, you use deprecated layout tags in your web pages, thus making them a lot bigger and bandwidth-requiring than they would be if you had used clean, strict markup with css for layout? Why?
Even Netscape 3.x will handle an XHTML 1.0 Strict page just fine if you stick to old tags... the CSS will simply be ignored, thus saving a lot of bandwidth.
Well, duh. *Of course* it has, since that is what this feature *does*! It doesn't save the link; that would mean saving the URL, not the document. Rather, Save Link Target As saves the *target* of the link. Just like the Send Link feature in the File menu sends the URL of the current page while Send Page sends the page itself.
If you say so. I never used Opera before version 5.0. But the guy I was replying to said that it had been implemented in version 4.0, so I belived him. Now you say that it was there before version 4.0. Now I believe you instead. I could choose to download an old version and check it out, but I don't see the point, really.
Lets compare the functionality of the 'Window Bar' and the 'Tabbed Browsing' [...] Functionally identical.
Windows return focus to the last focused window when they are closed (which is good for normal application use but terrible for web browsing). Tabs give focus to the tab next to them (which is great for web browsing). Functionality far from identical.
Opera allows a hybrid of SDI and MDI modes within each SDI interface with a page bar (sound familiar? a row of buttons that allows you to choose the foreground web page?)
Yeah, it sounds familiar. It sounds like tabs, which it what it is.
However, you can't say that Opera copied Mozilla with this feature
Huh? All I said was that David Hyatt was not wrong in stating that Mozilla implemented tabs before Opera did. I have never, ever claimed that Opera copied Mozilla. In fact, I can name several web browsers which implemented tabs before Mozilla did.
And what exactly made you think that I was trolling?
I'm sorry, but Mr Hyatt is *absolutely right* in asserting that Mozilla had tabbed browsing before Opera.
You write:
Opera introduced its 'Window Bar' (buttons for each open within the MDI) with Opera 4, wich came out in spring of 2000
Yes, with version 4, Opera introduced an MDI interface. So what? What does that have to do with tabs? Tabs are what Opera calls "pages", and it didn't appear until version 6.0.
the problem I see, with Mozilla and too often elsewhere, is that testers get no respect, no matter how good they are at that job
Nonsense. I have been following the Mozilla project, Bugzilla and the Mozilla newsgroups for a year now, and not once have I experienced that testers aren't treated with the respect they deserve. If what you are saying is true, I would appreciate it if you would tell me the bug number of one of your well written bug reports in which you feel that you weren't treated respectfully.
(Ooops, I forgot, Mozilla is for *developers*, not for lowly users!)
What that means is that the binary Mozilla builds from mozilla.org are meant for developers and testers. End users who don't want to participate in development, QA or bug reporting are of course free to download them and use them, but they shouldn't expect any support.
What it certainly *doesn't* mean is that Mozilla the internet suite is not an end user application. If anyone tells you that it's not important for Mozilla to have, say, a good user interface because it's "not for end users", that person got it wrong.
There are open issues that have hundreds of "votes" to fix, which remain unfixed because the coder doesn't LIKE that feature.
There is only one Bugzilla item with hundreds (i.e. 200 or above) of votes, and that is the request for a PGP plugin in order to encode and decode messages directly from Mozilla Mail/News. Are all Mozilla developers evil because they don't implement that immediately instead of fixing bugs which they consider to be more important than this feature request? Is that what you're saying?
Not part of the coding group? Then your opinions, and your bug reports, don't count.
Please point us to *any* Bugzilla bug where there are signs of this behavior. As I said, my experience is that Mozilla developers treat testers with the utmost respect.
Oh yes, jwz is throwing a Mozilla 1.0 release party at DNA Lounge. I wouldn't call it "being sorry about quitting the project and dissing it", though... As I understand it, he never said that he didn't want Mozilla to succeed; all he said was that it was moving to slowly for him and he wanted to spend his time on something else. In fact, he would like to use it at his terminals at DNA Lounge, but can't do so yet because there is no way to rebind the mouse buttons. (I'm not posting the bug number here since I don't want Bugzilla to be slashdotted once again.)
The main change is that many APIs (Application Programming Interface) have been frozen, which means that you can now create skins, plugins, add-ons, XUL applications, applications which embed Mozilla's layout engine Gecko, etc., which will work with all future Mozilla 1.x releases. In the past, it wasn't unusual for, say, skins developed for Mozilla 0.x to break as soon as Mozilla 0.y was released.
Of course 1.0 is also more stable and polished than 0.9.9, just like 0.9.9 was more polished and stable than 0.9.8 and so forth, but the main thing is the API freeze.
I've started taking the email addresses of the spammers and signing them up for "opt-in" email. Whether this is enough to keep them busy is anyone's guess.
Hopefully you don't just use the From-address? Spammers often pick their From-addresses randomly from their list of email addresses to spam. The innocent individual whose email address is used as From-address is harmed much more than the other spam recipients since lots of people will report them to their ISPs, send them angry mails, or... sign them up for opt-in email.
Never complain about spam unless you can verify with 100% certainty that the address you are complaining about is the actual address of the spammer. Doing otherwise will just harm innocent spam victims.
If by "Opera's similar function" you mean Opera's well-known MDI interface (one parent window with a lot of child windows), the two major differences between it and tabs are that tabs a) don't return focus to the previously focused tabs when you close them; focus goes to the tab next to the current tab instead, and b) are locked in maximized state, i.e. you cannot view the contents of two tabs next to each other at one time.
However, if you turn off Opera's open-windows-inside-workspace mode (only possible from v6.0), you will see that Opera has a feature called "pages" -- that is how Mozilla/Netscape's tabs work.
No it hasn't. Opera didn't implement tabs until version 6.0. In all Opera versions prior to that, all you had was an MDI interface with child windows inside the main window. That is different from tabs in that child windows behave just like regular windows, e.g. when closing a child window, focus returns to the last focused window, unlike with tabs where focus goes to the tab next to the current tab.
Opera 6.0's tabs (which are called "pages") are only available if you choose the non-MDI interface.
Mozilla (which Netscape 7 is based on) had tabbed browsing before Opera did. In all Opera versions before 6.0, all you had was an MDI interface with child windows inside the main window. That is different from tabs in that child windows behave just like regular windows, e.g. when closing a child window, focus returns to the last focused window, unlike with tabs where focus goes to the tab next to the current tab.
Opera didn't implement tabs until version 6.0 (where it calls them "pages"), and they are only available if you choose the non-MDI interface.
capitalism in its purest is producing a good or service demanded by another individual and being recompensated for your work
That statement is absolutely ridiculous. "Capitalism in its purest" is a system where capital is privately owned. Nothing else. Microsoft's anti-competitive tactics is just as capitalist as producing a good because someone demands it. In fact even more so, since producing a good because other people need it happens under both capitalism and communism; producing something and persuading/forcing people to buy it in order to make more money (what MS does) can only happen in under capitalism.
It is stupid to blame communism for everything bad, but it is even more stupid to blame capitalism.
Blaiming any political ideology for everything bad is stupid. You fail to give any arguments for why blaiming it on communism is more stupid than blaiming it on capitalism.
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Why isn't there a "Trust" button I can add to my Toolbar that just does this?
c cess/pwrtwks.asp will give you an "Add to trusted zone" option in the Tools menu.
There is: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/weba
Despite what the page says, it works fine in IE 6.
Can't do that with the government either. Do you really think that more than 0.01% of voters has ever heard of the domain name system? Honestly, no one is going to base their votes on how the government is managing it.
To support the progress of a girl in South Africa with an 18kbps connection, you use deprecated layout tags in your web pages, thus making them a lot bigger and bandwidth-requiring than they would be if you had used clean, strict markup with css for layout? Why?
Even Netscape 3.x will handle an XHTML 1.0 Strict page just fine if you stick to old tags... the CSS will simply be ignored, thus saving a lot of bandwidth.
What's the difference? What, apart from the name, makes ISO, ECMA and ANSI "standards bodies" while the W3C is merely a "consortium"?
And MozillaNews.org and their article Lies, damned lies and MozillaQuest.
That's a bug in Galeon: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59572. Mozilla used to have this bug as well, but it was fixed in 0.9.9.
So exactly how can this get modded up as informative when I wrote exactly the same thing 18 minutes earlier?
It was a joke. The latest IE gopher hole patch = Mozilla 1.0.
Windows return focus to the last focused window when they are closed (which is good for normal application use but terrible for web browsing). Tabs give focus to the tab next to them (which is great for web browsing). Functionality far from identical.
Yeah, it sounds familiar. It sounds like tabs, which it what it is.
Huh? All I said was that David Hyatt was not wrong in stating that Mozilla implemented tabs before Opera did. I have never, ever claimed that Opera copied Mozilla. In fact, I can name several web browsers which implemented tabs before Mozilla did.
And what exactly made you think that I was trolling?
FYI, in Mozilla 1.1 you will be able to prevent new windows from hiding the status bar. Mozilla rocks.
You write:Yes, with version 4, Opera introduced an MDI interface. So what? What does that have to do with tabs? Tabs are what Opera calls "pages", and it didn't appear until version 6.0.
What that means is that the binary Mozilla builds from mozilla.org are meant for developers and testers. End users who don't want to participate in development, QA or bug reporting are of course free to download them and use them, but they shouldn't expect any support.
What it certainly *doesn't* mean is that Mozilla the internet suite is not an end user application. If anyone tells you that it's not important for Mozilla to have, say, a good user interface because it's "not for end users", that person got it wrong.
There is only one Bugzilla item with hundreds (i.e. 200 or above) of votes, and that is the request for a PGP plugin in order to encode and decode messages directly from Mozilla Mail/News. Are all Mozilla developers evil because they don't implement that immediately instead of fixing bugs which they consider to be more important than this feature request? Is that what you're saying?
Please point us to *any* Bugzilla bug where there are signs of this behavior. As I said, my experience is that Mozilla developers treat testers with the utmost respect.
Oh yes, jwz is throwing a Mozilla 1.0 release party at DNA Lounge. I wouldn't call it "being sorry about quitting the project and dissing it", though... As I understand it, he never said that he didn't want Mozilla to succeed; all he said was that it was moving to slowly for him and he wanted to spend his time on something else. In fact, he would like to use it at his terminals at DNA Lounge, but can't do so yet because there is no way to rebind the mouse buttons. (I'm not posting the bug number here since I don't want Bugzilla to be slashdotted once again.)
Also check out his backstage log entry about this party; interesting stuff.
The main change is that many APIs (Application Programming Interface) have been frozen, which means that you can now create skins, plugins, add-ons, XUL applications, applications which embed Mozilla's layout engine Gecko, etc., which will work with all future Mozilla 1.x releases. In the past, it wasn't unusual for, say, skins developed for Mozilla 0.x to break as soon as Mozilla 0.y was released.
Of course 1.0 is also more stable and polished than 0.9.9, just like 0.9.9 was more polished and stable than 0.9.8 and so forth, but the main thing is the API freeze.
See also the Mozilla 1.0 Manifesto.
Never complain about spam unless you can verify with 100% certainty that the address you are complaining about is the actual address of the spammer. Doing otherwise will just harm innocent spam victims.
If by "Opera's similar function" you mean Opera's well-known MDI interface (one parent window with a lot of child windows), the two major differences between it and tabs are that tabs a) don't return focus to the previously focused tabs when you close them; focus goes to the tab next to the current tab instead, and b) are locked in maximized state, i.e. you cannot view the contents of two tabs next to each other at one time.
However, if you turn off Opera's open-windows-inside-workspace mode (only possible from v6.0), you will see that Opera has a feature called "pages" -- that is how Mozilla/Netscape's tabs work.
No it hasn't. Opera didn't implement tabs until version 6.0. In all Opera versions prior to that, all you had was an MDI interface with child windows inside the main window. That is different from tabs in that child windows behave just like regular windows, e.g. when closing a child window, focus returns to the last focused window, unlike with tabs where focus goes to the tab next to the current tab.
Opera 6.0's tabs (which are called "pages") are only available if you choose the non-MDI interface.
Mozilla (which Netscape 7 is based on) had tabbed browsing before Opera did. In all Opera versions before 6.0, all you had was an MDI interface with child windows inside the main window. That is different from tabs in that child windows behave just like regular windows, e.g. when closing a child window, focus returns to the last focused window, unlike with tabs where focus goes to the tab next to the current tab.
Opera didn't implement tabs until version 6.0 (where it calls them "pages"), and they are only available if you choose the non-MDI interface.
The fact that the old version is crap is kinda the point in releasing a new version. Duh...
Blaiming any political ideology for everything bad is stupid. You fail to give any arguments for why blaiming it on communism is more stupid than blaiming it on capitalism.
http://mazinger.technisys.com.ar/pruebas-nick/mozi lla/
Unlike IE, Mozilla doesn't look for /favicon.ico automatically. Only if the site refers to it with a <link rel="icon" href="my-icon.ico"/>.
Also unlike IE, Mozilla also supports PNG, JPEG and GIF for site icons.
Unlike IE, Mozilla doesn't look for /favicon.ico automatically. Only if the site refers to it with a .
Also unlike IE, Mozilla also supports PNG, JPEG and GIF for site icons.
Mozilla can do that too:
http://uabar.mozdev.org/