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A First Look at Netscape 7
David_Bloom writes: "PC-WORLD has released an article giving a rundown of the just-released Preview Release 1 of Netscape 7. An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI."
hasn't there been an IE variant to do this for quite a while?
i wouldn't be surprised if there was a gecko one too
Am I dunk, or haven't I been using tabbed browsing in Mozilla now since version .5? ..
.. What added functionality does it provide over Mozilla 1.0/pr2 (build 2002051206) --
Could somone enlighten me on why someone would ever want to use Netscape again?
OH CRAP! Tomorrow I'm going to get the infamous "Your copy of Mozilla is so-and-so days old. Time to update!".. Can't wait!
when they forked off back at the 6.0 from mozilla did they continue with parallel development or is is just a rebranded mozilla browser? Granted that isnt a bad thing, but if I have to choose between product A and B and both are the same thing but different packaging.. I'll pick the more open version every time.
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As much as I used to like Netscape, they dumb down the Mozilla browser to the point of irritation. That plus they stuff all that AOL nonsense into the product. Blech!!!
Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
Oh, you just wait until Adobe get their hands on that comment...
As long as it is optional then I think it is a good idea. The choice should really be up to the user, I was glad to see that both Word and Excel had the option to turn MDI on/off.
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Shall I begin the browser war here?
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While I agree that tabbed browsing is one of my favorite features in a browser, it's already old news to us Mozilla/Chimera users;-)
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Opera's had MDI browsing for quite some time. I still don't know why IE doesn't. It keeps all those popups under control.
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Did they fix the java or javascript or whatever major bug I heard about in 6.x? Does it suck down resources (I have 384MB on my laptop and 256MB on my main machine, so 64MB max wouldn't be too bad, but *STILL* not desirable) ? Does it have that insane startup time? What size is it under MacOS X (10GB HD on a laptop goes by quick!) ?
Don't get me wrong, I'm on 4.79 now and I use netscape plenty, but my reasons for not using 6.x have to do with the above. If they can't trim the size down and make it as speedy, or speedier than 4.7, then count me out for trying 7.x.
Opera 6 already has that, I like it. I imagine browsers will evolve into a common set of features over time. Has Microsoft "Innovated" tabbed browsing yet?
Pop-up blocking. It's not in Netscape 7.0PR1. The other script blocking options are, though, so it was a very concious decision. However, for Joe Homeuser, Netscape is nice in that they bundle Java and Flash and some other junk that may starting off with Netscape easier. Mozilla is still for the technically advanced (Slashdot?) crowd. Netscape is for the home user who doesn't care, as long as it works. Now, how long until IE7? We all know a higher version means better!
This should probably really be called Netscape 5.1.
And when the final release comes out (which sounds like it will be at least RC3, if not RC4), will they be releasing Netscape 8.0?
they said:
"opening this week is 'Browser Wars: Episode 7'"
how I wish that the movie they alude to was real.
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i know IE 6 has it in it... but netscape 6 didn't.... any word if 7 will? i highly like SMIL for the animation properties of it... SO much easier than using javascript for little aesthetic things...
even evil explorer is faster... quit this shit! the devil is faster for sure.
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I look forward to the new Netscape release as long as it doesn't feel so freaking bulky to use. That's what kept me in IE for a while, (I know now how bloated _it_ is, as I have discovered Mozilla) Netscape 6's slow loading and generally large feeling.
Sharpies don't just sniff themselves.
As a Web Designer, this version had BETTER be a goddamn sight more compentant at rendering CSS.
God bless Jacob Nielsen and all that but there was a certain point were the vast majority of designers just washed their hands of even thinking about Netscape Navigator.
Life's too short
instant messaging client supports both ICQ and AOL Instant Messenger ... Yay!
I tried the 'everybody' client which also worked on the MSNchat, but like many other things that do everything... it failed miserably at most of them. Can't wait to try it out.
Ansi's and stupid tricks!
Although the main netscape site doesn't yet show this, Netscape 7 PR1 can be downloaded from netscape.com already.
And although the option for disabling popups has disappeared from Netscape's preferences, so as not to harm AOL's revenues too much, adding this line to your user.js (create the file if necessary) will get you the same functionality:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);
It reached its peak altitude at Version 4.79. Now the plane is going down. Check which version gets bundled with Red Hat if you don't believe me.
An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI.
Uh, "especially interesting"? Let's see, Opera has had this for years, and Mozilla/Galeon have supported this for some time as well. It's "especially interesting" if you've been living under a rock for the last year. I hope there's more to Netscape 7 than just that...
Shouldn't it have the Netscape icon since this is a Netscape release?
IE won the browser war partly because it came bundled with Windows. At that time, it was too much of a hassle and too much time downloading Netscape. Now that many have broadband access, downloading Netscape is quick and easy. The effect of bundled software becomes less of an issue. I wonder whether the pendulum will swing back.
tabbed browsing?
/. reader anything its that someone should patent the idea so they can go ahead and sue everyone else that tries to expand on it...
multiple parties use it (and have for a while). if the past few years has taught a
I'm a dumbass today (so I am posting AC). What the hell is a "tab-based MDI"? Thanks I will take your answer, offline. Thanks!
Person writing has obviously been using Netscape (and/or IE) a bit too long. Opera is born with it.
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> hasn't there been an IE variant to do this for quite a while?
No, I don't believe so. There *might* be an unofficial "hack" for it, but if so I haven't seen it. You may be thinking of the "tabbed" taskbar buttons in WinXP, which group taskbar buttons of the same app--say, IE--together, to save taskbar real estate. I don't like it myself, and have it disabled.
Tabbed browsing is indeed a great and helpful idea, though, which I've been using in Mozilla builds. I just have always hated needing multiple windows for browsing, especially when they "cascade" and open up in a different position on the desktop, as they do in IE versions above 4. I'm anal and have all my windows for every app set to open up in one particular place in the middle of my desktop, so that multiple instances sometimes cascade themselves and ruin that. Using Mozilla with tabbed browsing solved that problem, at least regarding websurfing, which usually opens multiple windows.
Just my opinion though...
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I've used the rudimentary predecessor to tabbed browsing (Open Link in New Window...) for a while, and I loved that it helps me preserve my stream-of-consciousness while scanning the news.
I'd hoped tabbed browsing would spare me the memory overhead of having all those windows open, but it doesn't have a crucial feature; hotkey cycling through tabs.
After I open a bunch of interesting stories in new windows on Slashdot, for example, I can Ctrl-Tab between windows according to the whims of my rampant ADD.
Alt-Tab between programs, Ctrl-Tab between documents seems to be a pretty accepted convention in the Win32 environment.
Am I missing an undocumented keyboard shortcut here?
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Is the macintosh version a native MacOS X application?
ACtually my brother ha a MAC OS/X Itanium Laptop and he says that Mozilla is the fastest browser that he has tried so far (with of course all the features). I would give mozilla a try, It is really stable (more stable than IE on a MS Box). I run it on my linux machines and my windows removable drive...
the folks at Netscape are also bundling AOL Instant Messenger and a radio station (Radio@Netscape)
This is not a troll, but I hope they give the option of not installing the AOL IM to end users. M$ has shown us the folly of bundling software in a web browser that must be installed.
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...help you pare back spam...you need only click on the offender's e-mail address
Nice mail feature, but since when did spam come from the same random generated email address?
But what I really want to know, is if AOL will ever wake the heck up and integrate AIM and ICQ. This may not seem relevant, but from the CNet article: Now I understand why AOL might not want to integrate with MSN, Yahoo, and the like. But they control both the software development and infrastructure for both AIM and ICQ. Is it simply due to lack of effort that they won't integrate the two? (A little off-topic yes, but since NS7 is/will be just Mozilla 1.0, the parent not really all that interesting news-wise.)
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My favorite browser has always been Netscape 5 and I will never, ever, ever stop using it.
I don't want to be here.
The key question is a FreeBSD binary provided?
Although there is an option to prevent javascript pop-ups just like in Mozilla, it doesn't seem to work for me. However, you can still add this line to prefs.js in your user profile folder:
user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);
Remember to shutdown Netscape before editing the file, or else your prefs would be overwritten. Hope this will help for those who haven't been following Mozilla tricks closely.
Isn't netscape just mozilla rebranded with a lot of AOL crap icons and crap? And nice "built-in" "features" like AIM and Winamp and Realaudio and whatever other crap that you could just as easily download seperately if you wanted it?
1. It's not cocoa
1.1. It does not access any of the build-in Mac OS X technology such as spellchecker, and other services (open text in TextEdit, mail selection, etc.)
2. It just looks awful
3. There's no privacy setting that would allow me to block in-page adds.
4. There are other browsers that are better (OmniWeb).
with all due respect to mozilla/netscape developers, i still find that the speed of mozailla base browsers is much less than IE and Opera. I have several documents from Rosettanet.org web site which are multi-mega bytes and both IE and Opera render them twice faster than mozilla derived browsers (which
are in turn twice faster than netscape 4.7x series). I use IE/Opera for browsing and use Netscape 4.7x for IMAP email.
wow, this is the seveney-ist browser yet for os x!
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So even though Netscape and Mozilla are very similar, Netscape 7 is a 30MB download while Mozilla is about 10MB?
I can't imagine what they're doing with the other 20MB. Sounds tremendously bloated to me.
From the article:
With AOL's powerful market presence--numbering 34 million registered users--Netscape could be poised for a comeback if it replaces IE's role for AOL users.
Well, we all know that AOL is no slouch at slipping it hard and rough to their users but even AOL isn't going to be stupid enough to try foisting a noticeably slower browser on their users. MSN's marketing would go into overdrive.
People are used to IE, most sites were designed with it in mind; AOL might be big but they aren't big enough to pull off a coup like that.
Many of you may refuse to use IE for idealogical reasons, and that's valid, but nothing can change the fact that, when it comes to the simple activity of browsing, the MS product gives a smoother user experience.
We can only hope to succeed if we recognise the competition's strengths and, in this case, MS have done a great job; that's why they get away with slippin in the proprietry stuff.
How does the tab-thing differ from Opera's similiar function?
And more important question, will they patent this idea, like one graphics-software company did?
I've never seen that before
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Well, the cynic in me says that's the reason. IE isn't a browser made for users. It is a browser made for web designers and businesses. If IE would do a lot to control popups, it would annoy content providers that rely on that kind of advertising. Wouldn't be good... :-)
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Sorry, no more Netscape for me. No IE. Mozilla is ok, but frankly I'll just stick with Opera. All the functionality I need and quite small compared to the others out there.
I wondered why my boss thought he had to get a netscape account to try out NS v6.x...now I know, with atleast v7, it starts with a screen asking for your netscape login that requires you to register or press "cancel". "Cancel" just starts the browser, but it will probably convince a whole lot of people to not use Netscape or to register an account. I could barely convince myself to press cancel.
My review:
Fucking AOL desktop littering shit is there: Free AOL!, Real Player!, Take 5!, Java Web Start!, Winamp!
The first time it loaded, the layout was messed up. That may be residual from my mozilla nightly build.
Seems to work fine. Gave me more AOL crap (NET2Phone, etc.) that I thought I had chosen to not install.
Ugly...Ugly...Ugly. Why can't they treat users well enough to give you some decent install options. I sure as hell don't want their shortcuts and crap on my desktop. This one is going away right now.
This is no surprise to me -- in fact I was just wondering as I was downloading Mozilla RC2 how long it would be before we got Netscape 7.0...
Netscape is, as has been pointed out here many times, a stripped down (perhaps dumbed-down) Mozilla... That isn't necessarily going to upset AOL for people to call it that though...
Mozilla RC2 had advanced far enough that it was making Netscape 6.22 look downright OLD... and for good reason, Netscape 6.22 was based on an older branch from Mozilla.
AOL couldn't have its thunder stolen, so they *had* to release a new Netscape. Smart business decision.
As for being dumbed-down... Well, yes, it is. Remember folks, Netscape 6.x series (and obviously 7.x now) is working toward inclusion in the AOL browser.
Can you imagine what the 13 year old kids using AOL would do to Mozilla if they found the "File A Bug" option on the QA menu??? Or how confused the 60 year old grandmas would be when they saw too many options on the preferences menu?
AOL takes a very advanced product - Mozilla - and makes it for the mass market - Netscape.
Netscape is updated less frequently so that end-users can feel comfortable without having to upgrade regularly, and Mozilla remains development oriented for those of us who must have the latest features. Nothing wrong with that at all.
That, actually, is the ideal world for browsers, if you ask me.
-- If it ain't broke - overclock it more.
Netcaptor is an IE based browser that's had tabbed browsing, popup blocking, keyboard shortcuts and a load of other features for a while. I actually switched to it from Opera, and have had no problems whatsoever.
> Galeon, it on it's own does not have a tabbed interface
.97 or .96; Opera have it also in 6.0 version.
Galeon have this for a long time, and so mozilla since
I download the new Netscape 7 preview one! And it's not a big deal if you look at Mozilla. But it's really better than IE. Obviouly !
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I can't believe you admitted that in a public forum for geeks. **head hung in shame**
Makes IE look fast and streamlined in comparison, and makes Opera appear faster than light.
The ad on the top of the page was encouraging me to download Netscape 6.2
Netscape's had an integrated AIM client since 6.0, so it's not a "new" feature unless you've been using Mozilla or have been waiting for ICQ integration as well.
However, it is a bit interesting to put this side-by-side with Apple's iChat announcement for the next major OS X release. This, too, integrates an AIM-compatible client with a major piece of software -- in this case, the Aqua-fied OS itself.
So I'm wondering, where are we going to see it next? AOL's already pretty universal, but for those of us who prefer direct connections, we'll have two new ways to be exposed to it.
I'm starting to wonder if someone in AOL's camp is working on adding AIM to Eudora's or someone else's e-mail client, or even a Linux distro with the AOL/AIM clients integrated right into the dialup. Why play games with Microsoft's bat and balls, when you can help your customers overwrite it entirely? (Joking, mostly.)
I mean, why is it any better than just switching between windows with the Task Bar (on whatever environment you prefer)? What do tabs do besides offering reduced functionality (you can't reposition or resize individual windows), taking up screen real estate, and making you remember another keystroke to flip between windows?
I tried browsing Tabbed with a recent version of Mozilla. It didn't do anything for me. Why is everyone so giddy about it?
I would think making the current browser 100% standards compliant, HTML 4.01 at least, would be a much higher priority than adding useless new features. If I wanted tabbed browsing I'd use Opera. What a crappy feature.
Look at this page with any version of Netscape: http://destiney.com/html/. The code is 100% valid HTML 4.01 and even Netscape 6.2 will not render it properly.
Netscape is and always will be a piece of shit browser...
eWeek's review of Netscape 7 preview
I don't have to say I'm using Netscape 6.2 anymore, while bitching about site XXX HTML not working in Mozilla? More power to these guys.
I mean, come on, guys, themes have been in mozilla for a really long time now, and there's still how many included? two. (and one of them is just the old Netscape 4 look.) Oh, and if you're feeling really adventurous, you can wander out to the web, and find a whopping ten more. If you can find them; it seems as though the websites are packing up and moving once a month.
Sorry about the flame, I really like the browser. But the whole themes thing has started to look kind of silly.
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Good, I'm back down to -6.
But it really does suck. Sorry to be the one to break it to you. Doesn't recognize the dock, doesn't adhere to os x UI conventions.
I still stand by my verdict, it sucks.
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They only list Windows as the only supported OS.. when Max Classic, Max OS X, and Linux are supported as well...
And the reviewer seemes to ONLY like the Tabbed browsing. And I personally wouldn't call that an article... There isn't any real depth in the review of the software...
I find it quite impressive how they can take several components (Mozilla, 10.3 MB; AIM, 2.56 MB, shockwave, ~1MB; JRE, 1.5 MB) and make them worth more than the sum of their whole (30 MB vs. 16 MB of components). It's quite impressive that they can double the size of the package and increase the memory footprint all at the same time. It's plain to see why AOL does so well.
it looks fine in a current version of mozilla/netscape as far as I could tell. Not much content.
AOL didn't buy netscape purely because Mozilla is a great product, they bought it because the Netscape name has a huge amount of recognition.
So yeah, Mozilla's better... but who's heard of it? Not joe-sheep user.
Could it be that it's OSX what sux?
Just waiting for some MAC weenie to waste a modpoint
You may use another version of IE than me, but the one I have 6.0 something is in comparison to opera Slow. And it doesn't even allow me to disable pop up.
Talking of smooth with a small mouse gesture I can duplicate window. far easier than crtl-N or clicking somewhere.
But maybe with smooth you mean something else ?
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Internet Explorer has had Ctrl-Enter add a "http://www." before whatever's in the address bar and a ".com" after it.
Now, I know that's not always what you want to do, but it is often enough that it's an extremely useful shortcut key (and one that (along with the google bar) is keeping me from changing over to Mozilla on a permanent basis).
Is there a reason Mozilla can't do it?
I see about 20 new bugs are filed every day...is there a chance they'll fix most of them without introducing new ones in time for 1.0? I guess they could always go to RC3...
Netscape 7.0 PR 1 looks almost exactly like Mozilla 1.0 RC2.
Differences:
the icon
the name
AIM integration
nagging about registering a screen name
no Debug or QA menus
I bet 7.0 will be Mozilla 1.0.
Does this Netscape pre-release have mouse gestures (ala Opera)?
:D
As for Mozilla, I recall a blurb somewhere in the past that stated mouse gesture features would be implemented.
I like Opera as it stands, and I don't mind paying good money for good software. Just because it's not "free" doesn't mean I rather not use it.
Looks perfectly fine in Mozilla RC2.
I'm sorry...I tried to like Mozilla, I really did. But here's my tale of woe...
I installed Mozilla on my fiance's brand new Windows install (sorry, but she's not a Linux geek). She is, however, a hardcore Netscape user and really refuses to use IE. So I figured a good bet would be to install Mozilla.
I installed Mozilla RC1 and everything was good to go. However, then she ran into some Flash content. For whatever reason, Mozilla seems to not be able to handle *some* Flash, and a plugin is unavailable...
Ok, no big deal, who needs it anyway. However, then she wanted to do something for work that required Java. Ok, no problem, grab the JRE & the Java plugin from Mozilla's links. Did so, installed, and it even prompted to install the plugin to Mozilla. I let it do so...however, the next time we get to a Java site, poof it says "you need a plugin".
I asked a guy at work, who told me I had to search around and update a few config files to get the Java plugin to work. I have not done this and likely won't...Mozilla has become in my mind another example of how the OpenSource community can build solid products w/o any thought to usability.
I'm assuming NS doesn't have these issues and will give it a shot. But come on, it's not 1994, you guys can get Mozilla to install plugins correctly.
I said Netscape, not Mozilla... which in itself brings up a very interesting point... both of the latest version of Netscape and Mozilla use the same Gecko rendering engine, do they not? So why does Mozilla render my styles perfectly but Netscape doesn't? I'll tell ya why.. Cause Netscape sucks!
CTRL-ENTER will open up a new tab showing whatever site you just entered in the address bar. However, you need to enable it under Preferences before it will work. Very handy.
Renders fine for me in Mozilla... looks the exact same way in IE (And, it drew faster in Mozilla!).
You can find it at spellchecker.mozdev.org
Regardless of the browser, the following page renders very ugly -- with a big fat ass playing guitar. Slayer rules! Buahahahahah....
http://destiney.com/2002/about/
....when it was called Mozilla.
Trolls lurk everywhere. Mod them down.
To sum up Netscape7 = Mozilla 1.0 :)
The later the better.
Just a suggestion...
... but then perhaps I'm deluded and most people don't care what licenses they submit to, as long as they can use their software.
there is nothing in netscape of any use that cannot be found in mozilla. in addition, netscape has more bloat and is polluted with AOL code. ps: im still waiting for mozilla AND NS to take care of many of the (xslt + DHTML) bugs. That i believe is a huge facor which would get IE more popularity.
Does XP do this now? You have one instance of IE on the taskbar which has a number showing you the number of pages open. You click on that, and a more detailed list then pops up.
No, that is a feature that groups common applications under one bar which KDE 2 had before XP even came out.
If its not in KDE 3.0.1 I bet it gets into 3.1.
Seriously, why would anyone use netscape when mozilla works fine?
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RTFJ.
AOL sends this CD with plenty of space for a Linux OS why do they not do everyone a service and include on their CD Linux OS. Also why do they not make there software available to Linux. I know a lot of people would not use it but a lot of clueless people running MickeySoft would have AOL and Linux to boot. They could make their own distro called AOL Linux just like Microsoft. MS Linux http://mslinux.org/. eXPerience HELL,
BLOATWARE... http://www.ihatewindowsxp.com/frames/index.html
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I hope you deleted "Finder" too 'cuz its not cocoa either, dipshit.
Looks fine in Galeon 1.2 (rendering with Mozilla 1.0RC2). I'd say it probably works in Netscape 7, if it works in Mozilla. You tried?
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As the Subject says, I'm not talking about POP-UP ads. I'm talking about ads in general! With OmniWeb I can block any advertising!!! Read: any pictures, flash animation, or whatnot that has a words like "ads" or "banner" or you name it (!) in their file path.
All of this is completely aside from the fact that Mozilla is Open Source, which of course would motivate people to use it even if it was actually inferior to IE and Netscape.
Mozilla != Netscape
I know Mozilla didn't have some of the bugs that Netscape 6.x did have (or still does?). From all I've heard Mozilla is faster, small memory footprint, etc. than Netscape. I'm talking about Netscape 7 specifically!
As it is, I decided to see how Netscape 7 PR1 handled on my XP 1800+ w/ 256MB PC2100... only using 33MB right now. Seems reasonably good so far, but I'll have to play with it for a while longer before I make my final decision was to whether to keep it installed and replace 4.79 with it.
I don't see much of a benefit for MDI. (And I hope if it's "only an option", there's a way to hide it, so every time I right click a link I don't get an extra "open in new tab in this window" link along with the usual "open in new window" etc)
With XP and its pretty darn clever taskbar management (group like windows on the taskbar, and then collapsing multiple windows into a single task bar entry and making a little minimenu off of that), this is really not a help for a modern Windows desktop user. (and while I'm biased by my long term exposure to it, I like the new and improved taskbar a lot more then, say, the OS X Dock, with its mix of program launchers and runing programs and way too much motion w/ the default settings)
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I really can't understand why anyone would want to :
a) use a browser thats sub-par
b) use a browser that takes away preferences that are very useful (i'm sure it was an accident that AOL's browser won't block pop-ups unless you're one of us)
c) install something on your system that bloats itself into 7 icons on your desktop (duplicates even)
don't get me wrong, i love mozilla (especially chimera), but this is the worst of the mozilla based browsers.
thats just my 7 cents (release 1)
-bb
Get paid to code OSS
Mozilla releases are useful for anyone that wants the latest bug fixes. I've found the last 5-8 releases to be perfectly useable and my parents both like Mozilla better because they don't have to wait 4-7 months for another updated version.
An idea I think the OSS community needs to explore in greater detail is the possibility of defeating Microsoft in its own home turf without making Linux a desktop. In public schools you'd have Mozilla, Abiword, a Win32 version of Gnumeric, etc competing with their Microsoft counterparts.
Let's face it, most people like Windows or MacOS and they aren't going to switch over to Linux. I personally happen to like Windows XP and OS X much better than KDE 3 and GNOME 1.4 as desktops (yes, I know XP/OS X are full OSs and KDE/GNOME are not). I'm using a MSDN copy of XP, but I use Mozilla for web browsing for example. Eventually when I can do things like embed tables in documents with Abiword, I'll switch to that from MS Word.
It doesn't have to be all one way or another. If it did, there wouldn't be an undeclared war between GNOME and KDE. There would be only one desktop interface for Linux users. Windows users don't have to be forced to go all Microsoft or no Microsoft. Most Windows users should have the option of running OSS alternatives to as many Microsoft products as possible... but for Windows, not just Linux/BSD.
That is the best way to help out public schools. Pay for all of their licenses for Windows so they're legal there and then help them get into OpenOffice if they feel that can replace Office without compromising any classes. Some schools may want to use Powerpoint to help students do presentations. OSS alternatives like OO have to be able to seemlessly replace Office in order for them to make the change. Home users will probably continue to use MS Office until someone gets the balls to pre-install OO, Abiword or something like that.
If people are forced to choose between all-Microsoft or no-Microsoft, if they have had success with the former, they'll most likely wholesale reject the latter right off the bat. Better the devil they know, than the one they don't. We have to change that by letting them pick and choose what to use. If Windows and OpenOffice work well for them, don't push them to go with Linux. Enough of this "the cup is half empty" attitude if people don't go completely pure OSS.
"Sorry about the flame, I really like the browser. But the whole themes thing has started to look kind of silly."
no, you've *really* missed the point here; the whole theme thing is just beginning. the language for writing themes has been under development, so if you wrote a theme for one release of Mozilla / Netscape, it would break in the next release. 90% of the point of having Mozilla 1.0 is to *freeze* this language (the APIs), and once these things are frozen people can get to work devloping *with* them
1. Popup blocking (see parent).
Yeah, companies might justify the few clickthroughs they get from popups, but they also get poor public relations from the consumers they piss off.
2. Source code in editable format.
What good is looking at the source code of a page when I can't do anything with it directly?
3. Command button functionality.
I'm entering this comment using Netscape. I can hit the enter key to submit this comment, but Netscape won't comply. Little things mean a lot.
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I'm using CVS of KDE and Konq has this. Its had it for a little while too. It was just in CVS and in kdeaddons.
Moreover, OmniWeb allows me to ban sites/images by keywords. For example, I could ban all German sites (.de) etc. Yes, you can do this also if you dig into the core of unix, but SOMETIMES it's much easier to do these things from GUI. Even a monkey (read: me) can do it.
I think i have been doing this, like forever, in what is that thing called, ummm, MO-FREAKIN-ZILLA? Stick with open source!
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IE sucks
Netscape is barely better
Mozilla is cool
Opera rocks
But who's actually buying it? If it's that good, buy it. It's cheap. And, btw, I bought it. It is that good.
Over the years the Mozilla team has tried to differentiate themselves from Netscape. Why don't slashdot editors use something different other than the Mozilla lizard for Netscape/AOL announcements. It might be based on Mozilla, but so are Galeon, K-Meleon, Komodo and others.
And you thought tabbed browsing in Mozilla was cool...
Check out the Google Toolbar
Awwwwe, I have found true love... Mozilla + Tabbed Browsing + Google Toolbar
A browser with an MDI interface is nothing new. Mozilla has had it for what seems like years, as has Opera. I don't use Mozilla much (read:ever) but I'm a big fan of Opera. It has a raft of nice touches besides the MDI interface, such as Mouse Gestures, a saved window setup (loads the pages you want on startup), popup blocking, browser impersonation, privacy options, etc. Not to mention web sites actually look identical to IE in most cases as opposed to Netscape's we-screwed-it-up-in-version-4-and-are-too-lazy-to- fix-it-now CSS implementation.
How does one get these market-share facts? I'll believe it when someone says that IE has the largest market share, but 93%? Of what? I can't tell you how may people I know are still running Communicator 4.x, let alone the thousands, if not millions of people running browsers on platforms MS doesn't even make browers for.
A figure like 93% just makes me question their data-gathering methodology. Sounds to me like they count the copies of IE that come pre-installed with Windows that *you can't remove*.
Chimera, I don't remember, was that with no preferences yer? Like two icons or something?
The most important for me personally is the ability to block in-page ads. I do allow ads in some pages, like www.apple.com; most others I have filtered out.
"An especially interesting feature in this new version is tabbed browsing, which allows you to have multiple web pages open at once in one window, which you can view using a tab-based MDI"
Opera has been doing this for quite some time now. How long till IE follows the trend?
Are MDI's good or bad?
On the one hand we have the wonderful tabbed browsing thats been in mozilla and opera for ages.
On the other hand we have star office 5's intergrated desktop which caused a stink with people saying "I'll suply the window manager".
Whats the difference?
ive been using galeon's kick ass tabbed browsing for quite a while now. its awesome.
All circuits busy.
Undoubtably MathML support is there because it is in Mozilla. Between Mozilla, Netscape, and IE (with MathPlayer), all of the major browsers will support MathML. That together with support from math programs such as Mathematica, it really looks like MathML will finally become real this year.
There's a conference on MathML at the end of June this year. Leslie Lamport (LaTeX fame) and Roger Sidje (who did the MathML support in Mozilla) are among the invited speakers.
I use a Mac with OSX and a PC with win 98 and win2000. I use IE5 and Moz1rc2 on the Mac and IE5.5 and Moz1rc2 on the PC. The result is similar - IE simply crashes more often on both platforms. I don't know why or if I installed something wrong but they do. IE is also noticably slower on Mac OSX and it is about equal on Win. The amount of security bugy in IE worries me, and while Moz has also had some, it's a long shot from some of the bad security bugs in IE.
Therefore by default I use Moz.
So, Netscape is beccomming more bloated, and the emphisis seems to be on putting all sorts of bundled software in it that I don't want or need, as well as making it more 'user freindly', instead of producing a clean efficent code. And it's doing all this while compeating with another browser that is availble for download for free.
Does Microsoft have a clone ray?
The Internet is generally stupid
I don't understand Netscape. Every so often they come out with a browser that is Mozilla, except that it has the name "Netscape" on it instead. However, somehow it seems to be not quite as good as Mozilla. And [not so] strangely, the releases come at the same time as Mozilla releases do (more or less).
So what is the point? Anyone can download and use Mozilla on almost any platform and it's the same or better than Netscape? Even the code is the same!!! Why are these netscape people fooling themselves pretending that their work is worthwhile? This is the most unneccessarily redundant job I have ever heard of...
just can the project and move on already!
"Perhaps a "renders popular pages properly" feature would be good as well."
You mean sites like argos, microsoft, and all the others which block access to anyone without "MSIE" in their user-agent string?
Isn't that RealNames [TM] at work? It is in Konqueror...
78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
My site is fully XHTML 1.0 Transitionally compliant with CSS1 & 2 and what Mozilla does more often than not has really forced me to understand the Object Box Model for CSS and XHTML.
The only bug I cannot stand is that since [center] is deprecated in strict XHTML1.x and when I apply a text-align : center to any tag object it fails to work within the BODY tag giving me the equivalent of a Center Page view that scales up and down with the Window. I know you can use Javascript but that defeats the purpose of a basic centering tag for all the box Objects considering I have a fixed width on the DIVS so they are not pre-occupying 100% of the browser view.
opera at least claims to be 100% standards compliant.
Hear ye...I've been using Oprah for 6 months now, and everytime I'm at a window$ box w/out it, I'm stuck gesturing futilely in Internet Exfuckinplorer.
78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
actually been playing with the preview release. It is pretty nice. I like the fact you can switch from AOL to ICQ...
a wish list
add an internet service
(similar to everything) have the ability to see both aol and Icq names at the same time)
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I've made two changes to my Windows UI that makes the flaws apparent. First, I moved my taskbar up to the top of the screen. Second, I doubled its width. (And I got rid of that silly Quick Launch toolbar, too.) The net effect is that I can more easily see which applications are open and fit twice as many items in the taskbar before they become unreadable.
Now I'm not trying to start a Win vs. Mac war and say that the top or bottom is correct, but from a bottom-taskbar-user switching to a top-taskbar-user I find it more intuitive to keep the taskbar on top.
On to the problems with the MDI interface:
Most programs handle the MDI interface poorly. MS Word is one of them. Having to cycle through open documents with Ctrl + F6 or using the Window...[# of document] menu isn't an easy way to do it. Illustrator is another example of terrible document switching--AFAIK there's not even a keyboard shortcut.
Other programs, like MS Excel, UltraEdit and Opera do this well, listing a strip at the top or bottom of the screen with open documents. However, they still fail in two important aspects:
- There isn't a way to quickly switch from one document to another that aren't next to each other in the document list. With applications, Windows allows quick switching with Alt + Tab. There is no MDI equivalent. (Ctrl + Tab, Ctrl + PgUp/Dn, Ctrl + F6 are all vain attempts.)
- Most document list strips are very small, disobeying Fitt's Law, and are thus painful to try to use quickly.
So even though Documents are listed in a strip a la the taskbar, there are still problems moving between documents. Listing a document as an instance of an application, on the other hand, places an icon on the taskbar that can be more easily manipulated.There are examples of this idea that are poorly implemented, like MS Project. It correctly places a button on the taskbar for each open document, but incorrectly (and frustratingly) adds an unnecessary icon to the Alt + Tab list. And there are other problems with this approach, like too many icons cluttering the taskbar.
But I believe that this is the better way to work with documents and applications. If the Windows taskbar can't handle N icons it's not the fault of the model, but the fault of the taskbar. Perhaps a scaling taskbar a la OS X is a better solution. But in my opinion either solution is a better solution than MDI.
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What xml support does it have? I want at minimum a browser that, when pointed at an xml document, will find its stylesheet (in the instruction) and correctly apply the stylesheet. XSLT should definitely be supported, and XSL-FO if/when that is available (I'm not sure if it is yet). XPointer and XPath support should also be there (and XLink if/when that is finalized).
I'm working on a web application making use of the above and since I don't care about backward-compatibility where xml is concerned, I want it up as soon as a browser with acceptable support is out. IE is well on its way. If the Mozilla project gives us something that can do the above, I will be thrilled.
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Didn't Macromedia just pay out the ass to Adobe for using tabs in their software.. Something like 2.5 Mil. Adobe invented tabs didn't you know... *Rolls Eyes*
RB
>Isn't that RealNames [TM] at work? It is in Konqueror...
No, RealNames was designed so taht you could have a topic, say cookies, that when entered would link to say, www.nabisco.com. it would not link to www.cookies.com. That is implemented in the browser while RealNames is a semi-DNS thing.
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With the way that XP aggregtes windows on the taskbar, if I have more than 5 windows open, then all the explorer ones are listed together.
Bingo, instant MDI.
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they didn't wait for mozilla 1.0. netscape 7.0 is based on some release candidate, i guess. strange...
Like I haven't been using this in galeon and mozilla for months.
...but I honestly don't know whether it's supposed to, or whether it just happens to do so.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Opera has probably the best built-in mousing techniques. [note: 1/2 click means down-click and hold]
To switch between tabbed windows you just do:
1/2 right-click, move your scroll wheel up and down
To go back, forward in your history:
(back) 1/2 Right-click, left click (keep holding right button and clicking left to keep going back in your history)
(forward) 1/2 left-click, right click
and lots more simple gestures:
1/2 right-click, wave down and right (close window)
1/2 right-click, wave down,up (duplicate window)
1/2 right-click, wave down (new empty window)
1/2 right-click, wave up,down (refresh)
"What thou shalt not, I shalt did!" -Bart Simpson
I can't live without my Favorites in the side bar i.e. IE. So how can I do this in N7? I don't care if I have to recreate them, I just can't seem to find a way to do this. HELP! (not flamebait I assure you).
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I've been using Mozilla since RC1 and have found it to be a suitable IE replacement. How does Mozilla compare w/ Netscape 7? Who should use one vs the other?
Pros:
Tabbed browsing
Form manager
Cons:
Installing plug-ins is a nightmare compared to the simplicity of installing them in IE.
I can't copy and paste formatted content from the
browser window into Word / Outlook
I can't figure out how to get it to launch Outlook when I click a mail to link instead of the internal mail client.
Evolution: love it or leave it
On my windows box, I Use mozilla as my primary browser (tabs, what is new about this?).
The bad history of IE security is the only problem I have with IE, and this is the reason why I won't use it.
As much as I personally don't like using netscape, I would really like to see them succed with a little help from AOL. My motivation isn't to prevent IE winning the browser wars, but more to make web developers accept that IE isn't the only web browser. I get very annoyed by random web pages that require internet explorer.
For what it is worth, I would like MS to win the browser wars, providing web pages like these become a thing of the past, this way all the script kiddies will continue to target IE users, making my browsing more secure with my prefered web browser.
It's not though. It has strange negative text-indent support. You have to double it to get the same thing IE, Mozilla and even NS4 produce.
I think I'll skip out on Netscape 7.0.
30 megabyte download?! That's way too big for my own good taste even if you have broadband. I'd rather AOL provide the standard Mozilla 1.0.0 browser (when that's released) and let end users pick and choose their own plugins.
Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 2 is very nice, but when you add in all that AOL bloatware, no thanks.
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
Mozilla lets you turn off stuff in JS. I turned off pretty much everything they let you turn off. What remains is enough for "legit" Javascript use (things like client-side entry validation and "auto" goto popdowns which have no "go" button, such as on penny-arcade.com), and you don't ever have to deal with the abuses of auto-popups, Javascripts which document.write everything, or pretty much any other waste of time on the web.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
I would skip Cnet.
They engage in censorship.
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If you have a lot of programs trying to display data, MDI makes a lot of sense. It allows you to have logical groups of windows, rather than just a collapsed "every instance of that hwnd" in the taskbar. I have one Mozilla window for work research, one for gaming, one for reading news, etc. Each has its own entry in my Gnome tasklist applet, and each has its family of tabs inside. This also makes it easy to move my "webwork" windows(s) to another desktop, allowing me to make the next logical extension to MDI: multiple virtual desktops, each one focused on a specific goal.
:)
However, I think it'll be a few years before you see that on the MacOS/Win32 side. MS frobbed with MDI, which is a good idea that their guidelines and API were poorly written for (thus leading to bad app design). The "collapsing taskbar" entry thing is a band-aid (TM) over not having virtual desktops and smart MDI.
However, until we see people who have computers that are on and have work open in many different areas for months at a time, I don't think MS will know much about the "UI scalabitily" issue to actually do something useful about it.
Of course, that doesn't bother me because I use these features *now* in Gnome with IceWM and Mozilla
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
the only thing I care about is does it support digest authentication or are they still trying to ram ssl down the throats of those who just don't want to pass password in the clear
Currently, it is impossible for me to switch to Mozilla/Netscape7, I've become addicted to the Google Toolbar which is only supported on IE.
The toolbar is worse than cocaine. I mean it.
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--Jack Handy
"I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away." --Jack Handy
I'm sure it is possible to get flash and java working for Mozilla, but if you follow the process laid out in front of you the first time you run into a need for these, it doesn't work.. or at least didn't work for me.
Evolution: love it or leave it
Everything new and exciting that gets done in the new releases of IE, Netscape and (yeeeeach) Mozilla has been done for longer and done better in Opera. Why can't you little slash gay idiot wanna be linux leprechauns get this? It's not hard, just check out the Opera site. The ads get you down? Keys are posted here every time a Browser War inducing post is written. Or hit up Altavista. Easiest place to find cracks for the noob. Simply put, Opera paves the way and the rest just ride the coatails. Wake up to that fact and you'll see. Just check it out and you won't go back.
Cocoa applications are more than just a "feel and look" think. It an application (Netscape) cannot take advantage of such parts of the Mac OS X as "Services" it is missing out a lot, in my opinion. I have several services that I use every day. It's a hassle to do it "manually."
Right-click on taskbar, properties, uncheck "Group similar taskbar buttons".
The shareholder is always right.
Wow.. Netscape 7?? 6.0 was based on what... 0.74 or so? 6.x were fixes for huge bugs and basically... Netscape 7.0 is almost exactly the same but with tabbed browsing?
.5 on the end" mentality.
Silly. They're obviously trying to out-"version bloatify" Microsoft with their "Hey we added print preview, let's add a
However, if IE7 gets tabbed browsing and intelligent popup stopping, as well as retaining cookie privacy policies (something that the Mozilla team VERY stupidly decided against compiling as default) then hey.. IE could be one of the best browsers ever! (Don't shoot me)
Of course you'll have to be running linux to use that browser. Well in case you were not aware of it, you can configure mozilla to use Google expicitly in the side-bar. Just click preferences and in the configure menu look for search or something along those lines.
You can choose between DMOZ and quite a few other engines. The side bar isn't as nifty as the Toolbar. However since Galeon and Netscape are based off of Mozilla I'm sure that feature will make a debut on those browsers in the near future.
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Always one of my complaints about Mozilla was that it doesn't allow you to push the wheel on my mouse IN and use it to smooth scroll like I can in Opera and Internet Exploder.
While I really do like Mozilla and hate IE, I still use Opera for day-to-day activities, although there's a few websites that simply don't work in Opera, and Opera also has no password manager.
There is no perfect browser.. maybe I need to become a developer
The Opera browser has, as many have said, had Multi Document Interface since... long ago (I didn't have version before 3.6 ready for checking :). There is, however, a difference between MDI and so-called "tabbed browsing".
MDI supports non-maximized windows inside the MDI frame. Tabbed browsing only supports switching between entire documents, so you cannot chose to have more than one window visible at the same time.
While I rarely use the MDI of Opera for anything except maximized windows, it does show its strength when handling windows opened dynamically by java-/ecma-script on the page, and with sizes not matching the browser's display area. All such windows are still subsumed by the MDI interface, whereas a tabbed interface would have to open windows outside of the tabbed area.
>Also why do they not make there software available to Linux.
Its already been done and leaked months and months (maybe years) ago.
Search slashdot next time. Its all there.
I'm sorry, but does anyone actually use Netscape? I've been using Moz for years (I think I can say that). Tabbed browsing is a great feature. It is so annoying when you are forced to use IE for some site and can't have it. Never mind.
From the list of features, it seems that Netscape jumped ahead and enabled more features than that in Mozilla 1.0RC2. For example, Download Manager was enabled in some of the nightlies but not RC2. And I don't recall having seen a Bookmark Group feature (but that may be just me).
Opera will try several prefixes and suffixes automatically. You can configure them manually. For example, I use "www" for prefixes and "com,org,net,pt" for suffixes.
RMN
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Whoever doctored that photo must have been using the Gimp. That is the shittiest paste job I have ever seen.
Didn't know about that one... thanks! :)
Mozilla is still for the technically advanced (Slashdot?) crowd.
Ask anyone whose been slashdotted what user agent people have set. Yes, a portion of Mozilla / Konq / whatevr users set their user agent to be IE, but I have trouble believing that over 50% of Slashdot readers are doing this.
Netscape 6.0 was almost 1 1/2 years ago. Netscape 7 will be much faster, much lighter, have many more features, and they probably fixed the java bug which just came up in RC1 again. Mozilla is going insane a little bit now, and I hope Netscape doesn't release 7.0 until moz 1.0 is out, that would be sad.
You should stop using 4.7 though, it's way inferior to mozilla by now.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
All I'm saying is that as long as there are equal products that are cocoa, I will surely choose the cocoa version. As it appears NS is not walking the cocoa path, this leaves me with OmniWeb and other browsers that ARE cocoa. While other people my be happy with carbon, I'm not. Therefore, I'm obviously more excited about new releases of cocoa applications based on Mozilla. For me, NS is OUT.
Sounds like a lot of work, just to read 1 webpage!...have you thought about telnet to 80 (or some other means) and grabing the page, filtering out the ms (crap)features?
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We provide services related to network infrastructure for a number of large companies. A handful of our clients are giant monolithic beasts who still use 4.7x everywhere (one even uses 4.0fucking8 against our advice). Still, we support them, because they $$ pay us.
They can't handle modernity, for some cultural reason we don't understand and can't do anything about.
What a stunningly unfounded statement, not to mention devoid of compassion (although there was some bollocks about 'compassion fatigue' earlier on in the page). Just turn off your mind and give up understanding the fucked up places in the world? Gee, that accomplishes a lot.
The only people that will buy that piece are already on your side. Maybe we should have a new term for this practice: .sig-masturbation.
there may be a few who really feel that MDI is evil, but most protests against really amount to
"I am not used to this"
Ironic since this complaint usually comes from Linux users who want everyone ( as do, I) to
give up on Windows and _learn_ a _new_ interface.
Then they cry , Hey I am not used to this.
Well actually they don't say that.
They say the interface isn't intuitive, cause it
sounds better.
The tabbed approach is great too - I'm using it now in Mozilla. But, if you want to be able to view, compare, or monitor multiple documents at once, tabbing blows. MDI handles that much better.
And then there's the situation where an app needs multiple views on a single document. MDI is the right tool for that job.
Someone bitched about MDI using "full screen windows..." Duh. Don't maximize and you won't have that problem. Someone bitched about switching between child windows. Waaah. Use ctrl-tab to traverse the children. (The programmer has the option of taking that a step further, traversing the child windows on an MRU basis.)
Pick the right tool for the job. MDI has its place, tabbing has its place. Both kick ass. Neither sucks.
Build stuff. Stuff that walks, stuff that rolls, whatever.
When I installed Netscape 7.0 for Windows, the installer asked for my username and password, and commented that if I had an AOL account, that would do. I've always liked Netscape, starting out with Version 1.22, and I do have an AOL account, so I went ahead and gave the installer that. It connected back and forth with the Netscape server with the information I provided during the installation, all very well handled. Very nice setup, so now I almost feel that I have AOL within Netscape. The new Netscape home page is really very nice, and provides CNN news and other features that rival MSN and AOL itself. Can't wait till AOL comes out with Netscape as the browser. Now, to go setup the Linux version:-)
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is that the BSA may audit them anyway as a form of punishment for switching over to Linux. If they find one copy of a shareware program that is expired on a Linux computer (let's say some kid got the root password, not too hard to imagine knowing how dumb some teachers can be) the BSA can take the school down for that. It reduces the threat, but doesn't eliminate it. The BSA is the primary problem. It isn't directly affiliated with software firms so it can safely be their rent-a-nazis. Put Microsoft in a position where the corporation directly has to go up against the school system and that will change a lot of it. Microsoft can say now "well we didn't authorize the raid, had we known we would have stopped them." Without the BSA, they have no excuse whatsoeverin the public's eyes.
Hand on the mouse... Yeah, right.
Build stuff. Stuff that walks, stuff that rolls, whatever.
It depends on several factors; the most important, however, is if Netscape 7 is not shit that crashes five minutes into using the program, unlike Netscape 6.
I swear NS 6 might as well have been an alpha, let alone a beta.
Anyone know if 7.0 will include full support for CSS2 and XML?
The only thing I liked about IE over Mozilla is the ability to hit the Esc button and disabled the animation for animated GIF. I so wish Mozilla has that feature, maybe it does, can somebody point me to the right direction?
:)
I still use Mozilla for the tabbed browsing though, not to mention IE doesn't run on my daily OS.
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That article (in your sig) was a bunch of crap. It was so rediculous, that if I didn't think he was serious, I would have been laughing through the entire thing.
With NN6/Moz there is finaly *one* cross platform browser that supports *all* the standards (or at least 99,9% of them). IE on the Mac is a very different kind of animal compared to IE on the PC.
I've had Mozilla running non-stop for over a week now with no crashes (Linux + Solaris). I've seen Netscape last maybe about a day (Linux). IE tends to crash 2 or 3 times a day (Windows 2000).
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I right clicked and selected "Open Link in New Tab."
Thanks Mozilla. For being slightly less bloated, easier to use, and more pleasant to look at than your branded offspring. Oh, and being released months sooner in perfectly useable condition.
The computer press will cover major netscape releases...but the real NEWS is coming from Mozilla.
That's because text-align: center should not centre block level elements, and if it does it is a bug in the browser. To center a table (for instance) you are meant to use:
table {margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto}
You are _required_ to install the instant messanger. Overreact much?
when you use this one:
Flash and Java installer for Mozilla
Worked absolutely wonderful.
Bye egghat.
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
How do you measure smoothness while browsing? Just fscking curious.
Idealogical reasons my ass.
I got tired of crashes, and been hacked very other day.
I did what any sane person would do: looked for a better alternative.
At home I have 2 PCS, my wife's running W2K, mine is running Debian unestable (let me repeat: unestable).
My machine has been running for weeks since last reboot, I can get home, start the browser, the emial, etc, work, finish and the machine will be ready to work at any time. No crashes, and whne there is one I have to restart the unfortunate application, not the machine.
My wife can't leave her PC on for more than 3 hours. Who knows which program decided that her TCP stuff should stop to work after around 3 hours. Reboot, otherwise no network at all.
Unsuprisingly she has vowed to give MS a last chance with XP, if that does not work (wait that she learns about registration, licensing, and the price. She thinks it costs 20 dollars or something, he) she will move to Linux.
I wonder how many people are there in the brink of changing, not for "ideological" but ppurely practical reasons.
And I did not even mention that i don't do business with companies that act illegaly.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I do not trust geckos.
I mean I do love them, they are kawaiiiiii and all, but they have this annoying habit of capturing and consuming snacks.
I have found that the geckos cannot actually open biscuit packets, but as soon as a packet of, for example, custard creams is opened, the geckos will "liberate" the packet and take it to their nest for consumption.
It would be bad enough with lesser creatures, but geckos scale. I don't just mean in the computer sense, which is still true (1000 Geckos can much more effectively steal your snacks than 1), but they scale the damn wall, taking your biscuits or other snacks out of reach.
It has got so bad that I have to eat Rich Tea biscuits, which, being very boring are passed over by the gecko community. However I fear the day will soon come when the geckos break down as I did and accept these lesser biscuits and no snack is safe from their thieving mitts.
Particular snacks to avoid, as they are the geckos' favourites:
1) Custard creams, bourbon creams etc. (Geckos are part of the annoying set of creatures that open up the two halves of the biscuit and lick the cream from the middle before discarding the soggy biscuit parts that are now no use to anyone except the most desperate seeker of snacks...)
2) Pretzels, ready salted crisps, anything that constitutes a salty snack.
3) M&Ms, Smarties, Revels, Minstrals, anything round and glazed.
Snacks that have so far not interested geckos:
1) Plain biscuits (Rich Tea etc.)
2) Potatoe salad, coleslaw etc. Geckos are extremely confused by potatoe salad, tending to get their snouts into it, then finding their whole face is covered with sticky white stuff. They will then tend to scream "Vision impared- I cannot see!" a lot before spinning off down a corridor and exploding.
3) Apples, bananas, other fruit. Geckos eschew "healthy" snacks, so maybe a gecko infestation will cause you to adopt a healthier diet- who knows ?
graspee
Not to mention that it has the SAME javascript vulnerability as he was worried about Netscape 6.x and Mozilla < rc1-v2
I must confess that I've been using Mozilla and Opera and only installed Netscape 6 back when it was considered to be really crap. Perhaps Netscape 7 actually has something which justifies the leap in version number?
Anyone?
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I must admit I've never used the Google toolbar (looks nice, but most of my searches are general google searches) -- but I love the way I can enter terms in Mozilla's URL / location bar, tap the Down arrow, and automatically search. It's configurable, but I've not seen a reason to use a search engine besides Google lately, so that's my default ;)
Does IE have that? (Honest question.)
timothy
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All I want in a broser is incremental search, ala emacs.
The ability to quickly skip to the part of the page that I'm interested in.
To make incremental search really work, we need a cursor, not for entering text, but so when we put point over a link and hit enter we follow the link. Also, we could do quick block copies to the clipboard based on mark and point.
Imagine how much faster we would be able to use the web if we didn't have to use that damn mouse!
-Geoff
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The main benefit is you can bookmark tab sets - so that if you have 5 or 10 sites you look at in the morning, you can load them all with one click...
Does anyone know if Netscape will pick up support for P3P or other privacy standards?
Obviously I was posting in a humorous fashion, albeit childish. Thanks for LOL'ing.
~ now you know
...when 6.0 is still crap?
well, at least the javascript works, unlike konqueror :-P [/flamebait]
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
Netscape 6.2 uses a year-old build of Gecko. The "site" renders just fine in Netscape 7.