--- listen up u nationalistic amerikkkan, just because u thiunk you r better than the rest ofthe world dosent mean that u r entitled to better products then us. ---
1. There's nothing nationalistic about the original poster, but you seem to be pretty reactionary. What's the big problem? It's easy to imagine that there is some sort of conspiracy, but odds are the original poster means exactly what he said: He hopes that it's fixed by the time he can buy one. Big deal, if the situation were reversed, odds are you'd feel the same way.
2. Slashdot is a site based in America, with a large number of American readers. How many foreign sites cater to Americans? Compared to most places, Slashdot is very kind to its foreign readers.
3. For being so anti-American, your spelling seems to indicate that you've dipped into our educational system.:>
Why is everyone so hostile against B&N for putting 'mom and pop' stores out of business?
My understanding is that they simply can't compete - sad, but it's not B&N's fault. They simply do the same thing more efficiently.
Is there some vast anticompetitive practice I'm missing? It certainly can't be price dumping, as they price more or less around the same as any other bookstore I've been to.
Is this just a 'root for the little guy' thing, or has B&N seriously done shady things to take out the independants?
5. Wait longer than usual 6. Have to drive to the store
As much as I like the small stores, there's no use in delaying the inevitable. Many industries are moving online, and there is no longer any reason to take it offline. If the small bookstores provide a better service, them shop there, but the online resellers provide a number of services you can't get elsewhere.
Hmm, then again, we could bring up a war between England and a certain small group of ragtag guerillas occupying a few colonies on the eastern mainland of the US, circa 1776 or so.:>
Not to nitpick too much, but you should compare apples to apples. Look at the competition in the System 6 era. What was it that was so much better? DOS?
Note that System 6 can multitask. Look around for information on Multifinder. Given the constraints of the platform at the time, it worked pretty well.
Also note that each of those limitations has been fixed/changed since System 6, which was replaced nearly 10 years ago, and had been around for quite some time before. Double-clicking on files hasn't been changed (although there is a 'single-click' mode), but I don't exactly consider that a bad thing.
The thing is, the basic concepts of the original Mac user interface were correct, even though they were constrained in some spots. Nowadays, designers have plenty of rope with which to hang themselves. It may be the original Mac's constraints that HELPED Apple design a simple OS that worked great for the masses.
And yes, Aqua may very well destroy all that good work. We shall see.
I assume he was dragging and dropping icons in the Finder in order to open up a document. The same should have been accomplished by using the 'Open' menu item under the File menu.
Even the MacOS has some interface quirks, though. Someone who has never used a computer, or even worse one who is used to another kind, has to (re)train for some things...
Heh, you don't have to tell me. I've got a PBG3 'Lombard' here in front of me and I wouldn't trade it for anything (except, maybe, one of those 500 Mhz ones just announced).
But I will agree, most of the Mac bashing is done:
1. By those who rarely use them. 2. By those who use very poorly treated Macs.
It's not the highlight in stability, but it beats the hell out of the alternative in other ways.
...perhaps you forgot the previous links? Note that in some of these cases, Apple has commited actual developers to producing open-sourced code.
Also note that Mac hardware has moved towards industry standard parts (NuBus to PCI, ADB to USB, etc), and has worked to detangle their OS from the hardware (ROM in RAM architecture, etc).
Then again, you probably weren't going to buy a Mac anyhow - this was just a good place to troll. Perhaps you were even drinking a little Be kool-aid...?
Yes, I know it shouldn't matter on a properly written foundation (which I admit OS9 doesn't really have), but I'd look toward your room-mate. A properly configured Mac can have well over a month or two of solid uptime (in my case, as a dedicated soft-router and occasional work machine).
Windows (not so much NT, but 9X), on the other hand, just kind of falls apart in my experience. On the Mac you may get crashes, but they're extremely easy to isolate and fix.
I'm hoping that, plus a halfway modern foundation, will come along with OSX. We'll see I guess.
Maybe it's not so much that they're focused on case design now as that they were ignoring it before (and most still are). Making computers in your living room as natural as your TV takes more than higher clock-speeds and better operating systems - although that's part of it.
Apple's not breaking ground as quickly as it could be, but they need to be able to pay for all that R&D. If millions of iMacs being sold subsidizes work done on OSX, I'm all for it.
--- Looks like we got a clueless moderator here. ---
Same here. Somebody re-moderated it as 'informative'.
I venture that more people use Linux as a tool, rather than a means in itself. I believe more people use it primarily for server usage (with desktop use rising fast) than as a platform with the main intent to code for. Of those that do code, do they make code-level alterations to the majority of items they download? Not likely. Most people have a few set things they like to hack on, and would rather just install everything else so that It Works.
Having the ability to compile stuff - which I agree is a 'big plus' - doesn't mean you should be forced to do so. Other than helping people gain ground on the 31337-ness scale, I just don't see why it's necessary for everything to be obscure and non-intuitive.
For the record, I met my girlfriend of ~4.5 years online, on a (traditional, ANSI-based) BBS. Of course, we moved beyond that pretty quickly.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but these long-distance 'romances' are usually destined to failure. Everyone I've seen get involved in one was more than just a little bit emotionally damaged and/or codependant.
Meeting someone online is fine, but it has to progress into a real-world thing. There's no way it can blossom online, only start there.
--- I'd like to check this out, but I'm not going to use anything with the Apple logo on it. ---
Seems like a user issue to me. Apple makes pretty good hardware, albeit for somewhat high prices. Plus, if you ever need it, you are able to run MacOS on it. If that's not a bonus for you that's fine I guess, but I don't imagine you'll get much better of a price on a 3rd party machine simply because they don't sell in volume like Apple does. Why does it matter if it has an Apple logo on it if it's the best supported PPC machine out there?
--- Is there any development here? Or can we just drop the pretense and declare that the Mac -IS- the PPC platform, and that's all it'll ever be ---
Technically right now, there aren't many options. If you're stuck on not buying Apple hardware, you may be interested in this:
I guess some people define stupidity in a different way. You can bang your head against a nail to drive it in, but I think that's kind of stupid: I'd much rather use a hammer.
Which person would you consider more intelligent? The one who finished nailing stuff in an hour ago, or the guy with a bloody forehead passed out on the floor?
I'm a big fan of intuitive, well designed user interfaces. As long as they don't needlessly sacrifice power and efficiency, then there is no harm - UNLESS of course you have more elitest motives, such as being able to call others stupid and make yourself out to be some sort of uber-geek. In that case, your mileage may vary somewhat. Just please, don't bleed on the floor.
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listen up u nationalistic amerikkkan, just because u thiunk you r better than the rest ofthe world dosent mean that u r entitled to better products then us.
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1. There's nothing nationalistic about the original poster, but you seem to be pretty reactionary. What's the big problem? It's easy to imagine that there is some sort of conspiracy, but odds are the original poster means exactly what he said: He hopes that it's fixed by the time he can buy one. Big deal, if the situation were reversed, odds are you'd feel the same way.
2. Slashdot is a site based in America, with a large number of American readers. How many foreign sites cater to Americans? Compared to most places, Slashdot is very kind to its foreign readers.
3. For being so anti-American, your spelling seems to indicate that you've dipped into our educational system.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Why is everyone so hostile against B&N for putting 'mom and pop' stores out of business?
My understanding is that they simply can't compete - sad, but it's not B&N's fault. They simply do the same thing more efficiently.
Is there some vast anticompetitive practice I'm missing? It certainly can't be price dumping, as they price more or less around the same as any other bookstore I've been to.
Is this just a 'root for the little guy' thing, or has B&N seriously done shady things to take out the independants?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
5. Wait longer than usual
6. Have to drive to the store
As much as I like the small stores, there's no use in delaying the inevitable. Many industries are moving online, and there is no longer any reason to take it offline. If the small bookstores provide a better service, them shop there, but the online resellers provide a number of services you can't get elsewhere.
Evolve or die, I say.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Hmm, then again, we could bring up a war between England and a certain small group of ragtag guerillas occupying a few colonies on the eastern mainland of the US, circa 1776 or so. :>
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Flamebait.
Please, for those of you out there, this is not the typical Mac user. At least, this Mac user doesn't want to claim any affiliation with this guy...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Not to nitpick too much, but you should compare apples to apples. Look at the competition in the System 6 era. What was it that was so much better? DOS?
Note that System 6 can multitask. Look around for information on Multifinder. Given the constraints of the platform at the time, it worked pretty well.
Also note that each of those limitations has been fixed/changed since System 6, which was replaced nearly 10 years ago, and had been around for quite some time before. Double-clicking on files hasn't been changed (although there is a 'single-click' mode), but I don't exactly consider that a bad thing.
The thing is, the basic concepts of the original Mac user interface were correct, even though they were constrained in some spots. Nowadays, designers have plenty of rope with which to hang themselves. It may be the original Mac's constraints that HELPED Apple design a simple OS that worked great for the masses.
And yes, Aqua may very well destroy all that good work. We shall see.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Lackluster iMac DV sales? WTF?!?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Yep, someone really fscked the hampster on this one.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
I assume he was dragging and dropping icons in the Finder in order to open up a document. The same should have been accomplished by using the 'Open' menu item under the File menu.
Even the MacOS has some interface quirks, though. Someone who has never used a computer, or even worse one who is used to another kind, has to (re)train for some things...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Heh, you don't have to tell me. I've got a PBG3 'Lombard' here in front of me and I wouldn't trade it for anything (except, maybe, one of those 500 Mhz ones just announced).
But I will agree, most of the Mac bashing is done:
1. By those who rarely use them.
2. By those who use very poorly treated Macs.
It's not the highlight in stability, but it beats the hell out of the alternative in other ways.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Looks like a nice bunch from Apple again. Hopefully they can deflate Steve's ego enough to get him out the door..
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Why? Apple would be dead right now without him in charge.
Hell, just yesterday, the stock price topped out at its highest level ever, and they're rumored to be splitting Real Soon Now.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Apple still keeping thier hardware specs to themselves? Well, I won't be buying a mac anytime soon then.
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Hrm.
http://www.publicsource.apple.com/
http://www.totalimpact.com/
http://www.linuxppc.com/
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/
http://www.suse.com/ppc/
http://www.mklinux.org/
...perhaps you forgot the previous links? Note that in some of these cases, Apple has commited actual developers to producing open-sourced code.
Also note that Mac hardware has moved towards industry standard parts (NuBus to PCI, ADB to USB, etc), and has worked to detangle their OS from the hardware (ROM in RAM architecture, etc).
Then again, you probably weren't going to buy a Mac anyhow - this was just a good place to troll. Perhaps you were even drinking a little Be kool-aid...?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Buy an upgrade. Pop a new G3 or G4 in there, and there you go.
What do you have?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Yes, I know it shouldn't matter on a properly written foundation (which I admit OS9 doesn't really have), but I'd look toward your room-mate. A properly configured Mac can have well over a month or two of solid uptime (in my case, as a dedicated soft-router and occasional work machine).
Windows (not so much NT, but 9X), on the other hand, just kind of falls apart in my experience. On the Mac you may get crashes, but they're extremely easy to isolate and fix.
I'm hoping that, plus a halfway modern foundation, will come along with OSX. We'll see I guess.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Maybe it's not so much that they're focused on case design now as that they were ignoring it before (and most still are). Making computers in your living room as natural as your TV takes more than higher clock-speeds and better operating systems - although that's part of it.
Apple's not breaking ground as quickly as it could be, but they need to be able to pay for all that R&D. If millions of iMacs being sold subsidizes work done on OSX, I'm all for it.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Looks like we got a clueless moderator here.
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Same here. Somebody re-moderated it as 'informative'.
I venture that more people use Linux as a tool, rather than a means in itself. I believe more people use it primarily for server usage (with desktop use rising fast) than as a platform with the main intent to code for. Of those that do code, do they make code-level alterations to the majority of items they download? Not likely. Most people have a few set things they like to hack on, and would rather just install everything else so that It Works.
Having the ability to compile stuff - which I agree is a 'big plus' - doesn't mean you should be forced to do so. Other than helping people gain ground on the 31337-ness scale, I just don't see why it's necessary for everything to be obscure and non-intuitive.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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Personally, I think that encouraging binary packages is a Bad Idea for the Free Software community.
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...while a great idea for anyone who wants to use Linux/Unix to actually get work done without screwing around with compilers.
Who should be focused on? It's hard to say, although my intuition seems to go with the latter.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Is this true, or is this troll... erm... spewing?
My understanding was that no information has logged on anon. cowards, including IPs?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
For the record, I met my girlfriend of ~4.5 years online, on a (traditional, ANSI-based) BBS. Of course, we moved beyond that pretty quickly.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but these long-distance 'romances' are usually destined to failure. Everyone I've seen get involved in one was more than just a little bit emotionally damaged and/or codependant.
Meeting someone online is fine, but it has to progress into a real-world thing. There's no way it can blossom online, only start there.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Welcome to America, you seem to be catching on pretty quick. :>
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Um, you can always get married with the assistance of a judge. That's my plan, at least, as I don't wish to be married in a church (or with a priest).
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Then let the people of that state decide.
...some would say that the US flag is a symbol of oppression as well. Native americans comes to mind... Should we get rid of it as well?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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I'd like to check this out, but I'm not going to use anything with the Apple logo on it.
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Seems like a user issue to me. Apple makes pretty good hardware, albeit for somewhat high prices. Plus, if you ever need it, you are able to run MacOS on it. If that's not a bonus for you that's fine I guess, but I don't imagine you'll get much better of a price on a 3rd party machine simply because they don't sell in volume like Apple does. Why does it matter if it has an Apple logo on it if it's the best supported PPC machine out there?
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Is there any development here? Or can we just drop the pretense and declare that the Mac -IS- the PPC platform, and that's all it'll ever be
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Technically right now, there aren't many options. If you're stuck on not buying Apple hardware, you may be interested in this:
http://www.linuxppc.co m/press/index.php3?archive=totalimpact
You'll have to wait a few months at the very least.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
I guess some people define stupidity in a different way. You can bang your head against a nail to drive it in, but I think that's kind of stupid: I'd much rather use a hammer.
Which person would you consider more intelligent? The one who finished nailing stuff in an hour ago, or the guy with a bloody forehead passed out on the floor?
I'm a big fan of intuitive, well designed user interfaces. As long as they don't needlessly sacrifice power and efficiency, then there is no harm - UNLESS of course you have more elitest motives, such as being able to call others stupid and make yourself out to be some sort of uber-geek. In that case, your mileage may vary somewhat. Just please, don't bleed on the floor.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Au contraire, OF on the PowerTower Pro (in my case, the 225) isn't broken. Well, it is kind of, but you can still get it to work.
I had to configure things in the blind, and probably couldn't tell anyone how to do it, but it CAN be done.
That said, I just use BootX. It's really a nice piece of software.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)