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--- It's your free speech, yes, but I don't want it in my house. ---
Then freely purchase and install censorware on your own computer. I don't think anybody is disputing your right as a parent to control the content being presented in your house.
But there is no reason why censorware should be forced upon the libraries - it's not your house, it belongs to everyone. An unfettered source of information, either 'good' or 'bad'. If you are afraid of what your kids may find in the library, go with them. Steer them to information that you deem appropriate.
With your rights as a parent, you also have responsibilities.
Why not go with your kid(s) to the library, and let other parents make their decision?
With freedom comes responsibility, but you can't just toss freedom out the door when it becomes a little inconvenient. Libraries are stores for public knowledge of any kind. While I can see a limit for books (you can only have so many), Internet terminals are unfettered by such restrictions.
You're a parent, it is your right and responsibility to raise your child without the government telling you how to do so. It is my right to decide what information I want to see. A careful balance of these two things is what is needed.
Go with your kid to the library - be an active parent. There are far too few these days...
They can, but you'd have to provide reason for them to believe it's worth the effort. Linux as yet still has a pretty small marketshare on the desktop, and Apple would want to recoup the costs by people registering QuickTime Pro - usually content creators, not an audience prone to using Linux.
It's be nice, but don't hold your breath until Linux marketshare rises up a few points. It's hard enough to even get them to make a decent player for Windows.
Uh, dude, I don't run Linux (full time, at least) and don't even play Quake. Of course, I've only said that 2 times already, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
Okay, there are probably better coders. I wouldn't doubt it, actually.
What of it?
If he contributes something where it is needed, it's still a good thing. If one of these phantom 'better coders' comes in and improves on his code, even better.
Doesn't mean you should rail against the guy. You're not being forced to play his games, and if his changes are less than desirable, I assume Linus wouldn't include them. It's a win-win situation. Why the anomosity then?
You know, troll, you need to learn to read before you can write.
As I said, I don't even really care much for most of the software Carmack has written (ie. I don't play first person shooters very much). What I am saying, however, is that there is NOTHING negative coming from this. So what if he receives public recognition? Just about every coder out there would love to be well regarded for what they do. Don't blame Carmack because he has been successful at it.
You have never said what it is exactly that you have against the man? There are a bunch of other famous coders out there - aren't they the same? Is it their fault they are well known?
Any other coder would be very happy to have any form of recognition (this is not a 'bad thing'). Just because someone has attained it means nothing, other than a combination of luck and skill. What's wrong with that? In the end, he ends up with a little publicity, and Linux ends up with some useful code - for free.
I'm amazed you know Carmack so well. How are you so damned certain what he wants and doesn't want? It seems to me that this is a Good Thing for all involved.
This coming from an anonymous coward with poor writing skills?
You're not that great of a source, either, bub. And this is coming from a person who doesn't even like first person shooters all that much, so don't give me your "John Carmack weenie" crap.
1. Nobody is forcing anyone to purchase Quake or any other game. 2. His changes would be _free_. 3. I assume his changes would help others, not just Quake customers, right. 4. So what if a person enjoys nice cars? I know I do. More power to him. 5. Don't be an asshole. He's pry brought more enjoyment to people than you ever will.
Why must every site aimed toward women be a 'grrl', 'gurl' or 'gerl' site?
This is an annoying trend. Not every woman out there that could benefit from computer usage is a 14 year old neo-feminist punk rocking 'contemporary chick'. The average woman out there is your mom, or maybe your sister, or the girl next door.
There's _plenty_ of room between Martha Stewart and the gerl/gurl/grrl crowd. Who is filling this area? I have a feeling it is being ignored. Most women out there don't want to feel like they are making some grandiose statement about girl power, nor do they care to keep long rambling journals with kitschy 50's era pop culture pictures and pink flowers. Most women want to make their lives more productive.
I'm all for female empowerment and equality, but the whole Spice Girls-esque gerl/gurl/grrl 'movement' makes me want to hurl.
The Mac is, believe it or not, very very scriptable. You can automate a number of things using Applescript.
Different tool, same idea. A number of other languages (ie. Perl, Frontier) can be used in a similar fashion.
Please learn a little more about what you speak. You're obviously not too familiar with this technology that you say is so lacking. Applescript in particular has been used for years to automate common tasks - and not just simple ones at that.
Okay, I can see where you are coming from. This is definately late in coming.
However, it's worth noting that most of the idiots responsible for the multiple failed OS strategies ( specifically those in management) are now working elswhere. The first thing Jobs did upon his return was boot most of the old Apple 'cruft', bringing in a lot of NeXT influence as well.
If Apple hadn't been purged 2.5 years ago, this Expo's keynote probably would have been Yet Another OS Strategy announcement - assuming Apple would be in business at all. While Apple has kept a number of its better engineers, management has been all but replaced. The people to blame aren't even there any more.
Anyhow, it sounds like you have a fairly decent philosophy, and should use whatever works (many Macs users stuck with Apple because, in their/our view, there wasn't an alternative to what Apple offered). Now that things are changing, you'd be doing yourself a favor by looking at Apple again...
(note: this is coming from a macos, beos, linux user)
I was saying it in the context of the post I was replying to. Right now I don't think Apple is even really competing against Linux (and yes, if Linux were a threat to their market, they WOULD compete). They're more worried about Windows and keeping current Mac users at this point.
The AC should read more carefully. I said "kill Apple's chances of destroying Linux", not "kill Apple's efforts in destroying Linux". Seems subtle, but there's a big difference. Then again, it is comon with ACs to not read carefully, so I shouldn't be too surprised...
People bitch when Apple doesn't update their OS forever, then bitch when they do. Innovation doesn't mean doing things differently just for the sake of doing things differently. Apple has in the past, frankly, hurt itself by ignoring other technologies. Finally Apple gets something damn near out the door, and still receives flak.
Face it, Apple is doing the best thing for itself and its customers. I love the MacOS interface, but I don't want to be stuck with its foundation for much longer....
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It's your free speech, yes, but I don't want it in my house.
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Then freely purchase and install censorware on your own computer. I don't think anybody is disputing your right as a parent to control the content being presented in your house.
But there is no reason why censorware should be forced upon the libraries - it's not your house, it belongs to everyone. An unfettered source of information, either 'good' or 'bad'. If you are afraid of what your kids may find in the library, go with them. Steer them to information that you deem appropriate.
With your rights as a parent, you also have responsibilities.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Why not go with your kid(s) to the library, and let other parents make their decision?
With freedom comes responsibility, but you can't just toss freedom out the door when it becomes a little inconvenient. Libraries are stores for public knowledge of any kind. While I can see a limit for books (you can only have so many), Internet terminals are unfettered by such restrictions.
You're a parent, it is your right and responsibility to raise your child without the government telling you how to do so. It is my right to decide what information I want to see. A careful balance of these two things is what is needed.
Go with your kid to the library - be an active parent. There are far too few these days...
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
They can, but you'd have to provide reason for them to believe it's worth the effort. Linux as yet still has a pretty small marketshare on the desktop, and Apple would want to recoup the costs by people registering QuickTime Pro - usually content creators, not an audience prone to using Linux.
It's be nice, but don't hold your breath until Linux marketshare rises up a few points. It's hard enough to even get them to make a decent player for Windows.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
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From the guys who killed Firewire...
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...how can a company kill FireWire and yet make it available in all of their higher-end machines (and some low ones)?
I imagine within a year all Apple systems will have FireWire. Not quite the same definition of dead as I know of.
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Maybe you should ask for your money back?
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Uh, dude, I don't run Linux (full time, at least) and don't even play Quake. Of course, I've only said that 2 times already, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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Okay, there are probably better coders. I wouldn't doubt it, actually.
What of it?
If he contributes something where it is needed, it's still a good thing. If one of these phantom 'better coders' comes in and improves on his code, even better.
Doesn't mean you should rail against the guy. You're not being forced to play his games, and if his changes are less than desirable, I assume Linus wouldn't include them. It's a win-win situation. Why the anomosity then?
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You're probably right.
:>
Then again, the same could be said for natural selection, but look how THAT turned out. In theory, these trolls shouldn't even exist.
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And you think the use of the homophobic term 'fag' as a disparaging term is any better? That's what I was responding to.
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In the great scheme of things, that ranks right above winning a farting contest.
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Oh, I see. You're in competition. That makes things more clear.
Anyhow, coding a 3d game like Quake isn't exactly trivial. If it is, please supply a link to your own code and we'll talk.
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Ooh, 'fag'. That's cute. 5th grade level insults really show off your intelligence. Not only am I speaking to an idiot, but a homophobe.
Redneck.
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*sigh*
You know, troll, you need to learn to read before you can write.
As I said, I don't even really care much for most of the software Carmack has written (ie. I don't play first person shooters very much). What I am saying, however, is that there is NOTHING negative coming from this. So what if he receives public recognition? Just about every coder out there would love to be well regarded for what they do. Don't blame Carmack because he has been successful at it.
You have never said what it is exactly that you have against the man? There are a bunch of other famous coders out there - aren't they the same? Is it their fault they are well known?
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
And this is different than who? Linus? RMS?
Any other coder would be very happy to have any form of recognition (this is not a 'bad thing'). Just because someone has attained it means nothing, other than a combination of luck and skill. What's wrong with that? In the end, he ends up with a little publicity, and Linux ends up with some useful code - for free.
I'm amazed you know Carmack so well. How are you so damned certain what he wants and doesn't want? It seems to me that this is a Good Thing for all involved.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
This coming from an anonymous coward with poor writing skills?
You're not that great of a source, either, bub. And this is coming from a person who doesn't even like first person shooters all that much, so don't give me your "John Carmack weenie" crap.
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Sounds like jealousy to me.
1. Nobody is forcing anyone to purchase Quake or any other game.
2. His changes would be _free_.
3. I assume his changes would help others, not just Quake customers, right.
4. So what if a person enjoys nice cars? I know I do. More power to him.
5. Don't be an asshole. He's pry brought more enjoyment to people than you ever will.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Why must every site aimed toward women be a 'grrl', 'gurl' or 'gerl' site?
This is an annoying trend. Not every woman out there that could benefit from computer usage is a 14 year old neo-feminist punk rocking 'contemporary chick'. The average woman out there is your mom, or maybe your sister, or the girl next door.
There's _plenty_ of room between Martha Stewart and the gerl/gurl/grrl crowd. Who is filling this area? I have a feeling it is being ignored. Most women out there don't want to feel like they are making some grandiose statement about girl power, nor do they care to keep long rambling journals with kitschy 50's era pop culture pictures and pink flowers. Most women want to make their lives more productive.
I'm all for female empowerment and equality, but the whole Spice Girls-esque gerl/gurl/grrl 'movement' makes me want to hurl.
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That's your reply?
He gave a valid reason, and this is the best you come up with?
BTW - What you are askin Taco for, is free. There is nothing resembling extortion here. Source code is NOT a right.
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You planning on paying Rob for that source code?
Seems to me that some metaphors just don't stack up...
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Single user brain damage? Uh, okay... Anyways...
The Mac is, believe it or not, very very scriptable. You can automate a number of things using Applescript.
Different tool, same idea. A number of other languages (ie. Perl, Frontier) can be used in a similar fashion.
Please learn a little more about what you speak. You're obviously not too familiar with this technology that you say is so lacking. Applescript in particular has been used for years to automate common tasks - and not just simple ones at that.
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)
Okay, I can see where you are coming from. This is definately late in coming.
:>
However, it's worth noting that most of the idiots responsible for the multiple failed OS strategies ( specifically those in management) are now working elswhere. The first thing Jobs did upon his return was boot most of the old Apple 'cruft', bringing in a lot of NeXT influence as well.
If Apple hadn't been purged 2.5 years ago, this Expo's keynote probably would have been Yet Another OS Strategy announcement - assuming Apple would be in business at all. While Apple has kept a number of its better engineers, management has been all but replaced. The people to blame aren't even there any more.
Anyhow, it sounds like you have a fairly decent philosophy, and should use whatever works (many Macs users stuck with Apple because, in their/our view, there wasn't an alternative to what Apple offered). Now that things are changing, you'd be doing yourself a favor by looking at Apple again...
(note: this is coming from a macos, beos, linux user)
Just a thought...
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Supposedly, current OSX builds run just fine on PCI-based 604s. Don't expect Apple to 'officially' support them, however.
If they do, it'll be well after official hardware support is complete on the G3/G4 platforms.
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I guess so! :>
I was saying it in the context of the post I was replying to. Right now I don't think Apple is even really competing against Linux (and yes, if Linux were a threat to their market, they WOULD compete). They're more worried about Windows and keeping current Mac users at this point.
The AC should read more carefully. I said "kill Apple's chances of destroying Linux", not "kill Apple's efforts in destroying Linux". Seems subtle, but there's a big difference. Then again, it is comon with ACs to not read carefully, so I shouldn't be too surprised...
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Man this is cool. From flamefest to lovefest in just a few posts. :>
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People bitch when Apple doesn't update their OS forever, then bitch when they do. Innovation doesn't mean doing things differently just for the sake of doing things differently. Apple has in the past, frankly, hurt itself by ignoring other technologies. Finally Apple gets something damn near out the door, and still receives flak.
Face it, Apple is doing the best thing for itself and its customers. I love the MacOS interface, but I don't want to be stuck with its foundation for much longer....
- Jeff A. Campbell
- VelociNews (http://www.velocinews.com)